Guest guest Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Hi Sonya; Sometimes the green can be sign of infection of some sort, and certainly you all should be on the alert for signs of fever, cough, diarrhea, etc. Watery stool is in that direction. It does sound like you are doing well with her on the foods, and those spices are very appropriate usually. But if her prakriti and/or vikruti are high on pitta also, sometimes even the spinach and roasted garlic can increase. Perhaps favor just the hing and fresh ginger, unless her she seems strongly in need of the grounding and other benefits of the garlic. Her milk production is good? We certainly have many tools for that in addition to the garlic. Please report about your observations of her doshas including personality. I would look to these things before reducing the extra oleation, which we know from Ayurveda postpartum has special value and function. But how much olive oil are you using, and are you cooking with it? Best not to cook with it per Dr. Mercola/Sally Fallon. Remember also that if she likes butter, it may suit as more familiar, and it is even more cooling to pitta than ghee. This is when I sometimes with a client call out Dr. Mein's body typing as a cross check for key no no foods which are in Ayurveda go figure items. I've seen some folks recommended to avoid asparagus, olive oil, or zucchini, et all more than once a month. I've seen beets give not only myself but clients and their babies runny stool, though that is rare also. My attention went to the eggplant as a nightshade in her case, but I have no explanation but intuition here. And, look more closely each day it happens to what mom ate the last few meals, along with her transit time. This is when the careful records of daily assessment and results really show help to us figureing these things out. How many days postpartum is the baby? Babies with strong pitta and vata in their constitution or vikruti by my experience are more likely to be more easily over stimulated and divited within themselves, not listening in, not nursing at a comfortable pace, ingesting more air as well as ingesting more nervousness and excitability in their tummy and rest of their psychophysiology. Hence the nursing privately with mom's full quiet attention recommendation first. Let us know if these things help? Love, Martha Martha Oakes Wednesday, September 21, 2005 10:54 PM Sonya PItta, - most likely. Often refux self corrects when mom cools her jets and also when she nurses in a private/quiet setting. Also press against the breast when milk first lets down (briefly take baby off breast) to slow the milk release and minimize air which can then come bursting under the milk pushing it out with. Please share my comments on the perinatal ayurveda, along with your assessment of how pitta may be out of balance? Loose motions, remember, also are sign often of pitta. Even lots of leafy greens in mom's diet can cause, possibly also high fats of the postpartum diet (which ones using?) here at juncture end pitta season when it is accumulated. Can you lean the diet to still pacify vata but less on the pitta side? Beets, carrots, spices, etc all are suspect for her. MarthaSonya 'Martha Oakes' Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:08 AM RE: green stool and reflux I have been using mostly ghee and olive oil. Maybe I am using too much? She has been eating asparagus green beans spinach very little beets and carrots, zucchini some eggplant. I started her on some fresh cheeses and have been cooking with some coconut milk she loves yams. I've, been using mostly cumin coriander ginger and some roasted garlic. I was also thinking pitta provocation but feeling like I was I was doing pretty well with the cooking part. Sonya Sonya Bastow MettaDoula sonya 303.619.5326 cell 303.516.0959 home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Sonya, if you would like my .02 cents worth: It doesn't matter at what color the baby's stool is. A green stool now and then is no cause for worry in a breastfed baby. Though sometimes if it is frequent, it can mean that the baby is getting too much foremilk with the sugar, etc. and not enough hindmilk which has the fat and calories. So make sure the baby stays at the breast long enough on the first side before switching to the other side. green poop usually a passing thing. Re: reflux, it has become a catch word. But a good thing is keeping the baby's head up and the back straight when burping and for half an hour after the feeding. Don't let the baby sleep curled up in the car seat in the home. This way, when the baby burps the milk doesn't come up with it. Burp her 5 minutes into the feeding and again between breasts. Vicky - " Sonya " <sonya <ayurveda > Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:11 PM RE: Digest Number 160 > Thank you Martha and Rebecca for your responses. > My client is vata/pitta close to equal maybe a little more pitta. She is > very even tempered. She has three other children in the house below 8. 1 > is in school every day. So I think that the baby gets lots of stimulation. > > I don't doubt it may play a part in the reflux. She has plenty of milk, > we just dealt with clogged ducts past week and now they are gone. When the > milk comes out I notice that the baby chokes and probably gets too much air > I did tell her to press across the breast to slow the flow. She is very > religious about her herbs and drinks the fennel fenn tea daily close to 11/2 > to 2 qts. Maybe she should slow down on that? I was thinking would be good > for baby tummy. I am using olive oil very little but have used it mostly to > coat veggies or add to sauces. I am using ghee way more. > > I think it could be spinach as the culprit because the green poop happened > one other time in the beginning I had made it. Baby is almost 3 weeks old > now. > > Baby is pitta gets really worked up around 6 pm sleeps well at night and > will go for about 4 hour stretch in the beginning. He was very big > 9lbs13ozs. Mom is teeny 5'4 " very small bones. I don't know how she got him > out but she did-she is very determined. I am definitely going to use the > recommendation of nursing in a quiet place. Maybe have the others do quiet > activity while mom nurses. I am not there all day so I cant help her with > watching other kids. > > > Thanks again! Cant wait to see you! > Sonya > > Sonya Bastow > MettaDoula > sonya > 303.619.5326 cell > 303.516.0959 home > > > ayurveda > [ayurveda ] > Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:23 AM > ayurveda > Digest Number 160 > > > There are 3 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. > " Sonya " <sonya > 2. green poops and reflux > " Martha Oakes " <martha > 3. Re: > Rebecca Vann <star_seed111 > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:35:54 -0600 > " Sonya " <sonya > Subject: > > Martha, or any one who would like to respond, > Are green poops from a baby something to worry about? They are not meconium > poops for sure they are more watery. Also what can be done for reflux in > baby? My client is following diet very well and is adhering to the program. > I told to hold baby at 45 degrees and not to lay baby down after feeding and > to make sure baby has at least 2 hours between feedings. > Thanks Sonya > Sonya Bastow > MettaDoula > sonya > 303.619.5326 cell > 303.516.0959 home > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Hi Vicki; This is of course such good practical advice. I didn't know about the imbalance of fore/hind milk intake factors. If mom is continuing to be overabundant, she may be switching breasts to relieve pressure before Baby gets the hindmilk. And the link between pitta momma milk (which would show up more in teh foremilk) and the green poop would be more apparent too then. With the AyurDoula approach, we do give attention to seemingly little things like this, as it allows us to nip many problems in the bud often. THis particular incidence, and occasional green poop in general, may as you said, be not worth taking concern over. But then it can also be sign of hidden things like mastitis or brewing infection elsewhere, diarrhea et al. And the doshic balance of a mother and baby already pitta is important to support, for best comfort and developmental beginnings in both short and long run. Warm REgards; Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Martha, I so treasure knowing you and having the benefit of ayurvedic ways, you broaden my horizons when looking at my clients problems, though I don't know enough about to it to apply it usually. But just knowing there is more to consider. I have noticed that babies get green poops once or twice in the first weeks, and then, whatever it is, it is history. Unless she has an oversupply, like you said, and continues giving the baby only foremilk. But that usually results in a baby that gets lots of volume of milk but isn't gaining weight, one who wants to drink a lot more often. That mom might want to look at what she is doing tocreate the oversupply. Some have mistaken ideas about pumping and create this problem. So much to consider and such interesting stuff, eh? Vicky - " Martha Oakes " <martha <ayurveda > Friday, September 23, 2005 9:39 AM Re: green poops and reflux > Hi Vicki; > This is of course such good practical advice. I didn't know about the > imbalance of fore/hind milk intake factors. If mom is continuing to > be overabundant, she may be switching breasts to relieve pressure > before Baby gets the hindmilk. And the link between pitta momma milk > (which would show up more in teh foremilk) and the green poop would be > more apparent too then. > > With the AyurDoula approach, we do give attention to seemingly little > things like this, as it allows us to nip many problems in the bud > often. THis particular incidence, and occasional green poop in > general, may as you said, be not worth taking concern over. But then > it can also be sign of hidden things like mastitis or brewing > infection elsewhere, diarrhea et al. And the doshic balance of a > mother and baby already pitta is important to support, for best > comfort and developmental beginnings in both short and long run. > Warm REgards; > Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 -Yes! Thank you for being there and always ready to share. Your experience is priceless; I hope the universe rewards you. Love Martha So much to consider and such interesting stuff, eh? > Vicky > > > - > " Martha Oakes " <martha@s...> > <ayurveda > > Friday, September 23, 2005 9:39 AM > Re: green poops and reflux > > > > Hi Vicki; > > This is of course such good practical advice. I didn't know about the > > imbalance of fore/hind milk intake factors. If mom is continuing to > > be overabundant, she may be switching breasts to relieve pressure > > before Baby gets the hindmilk. And the link between pitta momma milk > > (which would show up more in teh foremilk) and the green poop would be > > more apparent too then. > > > > With the AyurDoula approach, we do give attention to seemingly little > > things like this, as it allows us to nip many problems in the bud > > often. THis particular incidence, and occasional green poop in > > general, may as you said, be not worth taking concern over. But then > > it can also be sign of hidden things like mastitis or brewing > > infection elsewhere, diarrhea et al. And the doshic balance of a > > mother and baby already pitta is important to support, for best > > comfort and developmental beginnings in both short and long run. > > Warm REgards; > > Martha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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