e-oil questions

[Guest guest]

Thanks Martha,

You know, I had read that, and found the testimonials very helpful, and began

using some of the things suggested, but I dont think I was being regular enough.

I would use them only when I saw Devan exibiting some sick-sign. Maybe too late.

I guess I just keep expecting our immune systems to step up to the plate without

needing constant supplementation. But, as it has not, I guess I will use the

essential oils every day, as I am catching everything that Devan does, and it is

indeed getting tiresome.

Also, internally I think I have not used them for the propper amount of time, I

have been using them for prevention, and when I feel I have prevented, I stop,

then get sick anyway. So as a rule of thumb is 7 to 10 days manditory?

Also some of those people from the testimonials use very large amounts of the

oil, I thought above 5 drops internally daily for an adult was the safe limit?

Also after how long of using an oil does the body become immune to it?

Sorry so many questions!

Thanks so much!

Love Radhika

Martha Oakes <martha wrote:

Dear Radhika;

This experience with good peppermint oil seems to be pretty

universally successful, aint it great! Of course we still have to

make sure he rests, eats simpler, all those things. But I think you

might not have had a chance to read the mother's experiences with flu

and preventing the problems you are having ... cut this link and check

it out http://www.sacredwindow.com/EO-Flu.html. Specifically one of

the moms after having constant colds and all come home from daycare

started rubbing either purification or thieves blend on kids feet

every day, another diffused thieves 15 minutes before leaving for

school, another 15 minutes on coming home and presto, speaking of

small miracles! Properly used they can be an amazing boost to immune

strength, vitality, AND antimocrobial protection. If you read the

basics section on the site there you will understand more why.

So give us a report when you have that experience down ... almost no

more colds and flues IS possible.

 

I'm fighting one I cought from my 17 year old son ... after traveling

and really short on sleep, bad sleep conditions, off my normal " feed " ,

not being prophylactic enough with my oils ( " where is that bottle

now? " ) and coming home to mildew, body just sometimes has had all it

can take. Some of us are not as constitutionally strong as others

also. I tend to be at risk traveling.

 

Newly delvered moms are of course too, which is why I recommend a

diffuser in her " hang out " room near the rocker with something

suitable for season, bodytype and nose which has good antimicrobial

properties. Even good lavender helps a lot. Ancient ayurvedic

tradition burned strong antimicrobial purifying incenses arond

postpartum mothers and their infants as a matter of protective protocol.

Martha

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Radhika;

Certainly the need to be so regularly using eoils orany other

supplement or medicine to prevent otherwise frequent illness is

another discussion, and should be addressed (oh my, here I go!).

 

Even with your ayurvedic background ... did you get to the Ayurveda 2

classes? Ithink you took more than I! There are so many influences.

 

Being a single mom is a big one, EFA levels, of course hydration,

fun, exercise, rest/quality of it, antioxidants in sufficient source

diversity and quantity whether food or (often needed in our culture)

otherwise, and for vegetarians, B 12 deficiency is rampant, I'm

discovering, and can really lower threshhold in some way I don't

understand the chemistry. Then there are pollutants - you live in a

city? What about contrails ... ? I hear scary things about them, not

sure it is the place to discuss here.

 

Certainly, the overall immune strength and hormone health level of the

populaton now is very much lowered, while the microbes circulating

even if not intentionally dispersed as some propose, they are getting

much stronger both because of the natural selection for stronger ones

going throu an increasingly unhealthy lifestyle/diet population and

yes, quite, for the both natural and allopathic misuse of

anitbacterial medicines just as you have described yourself doing.

This is really not wise, something my father, a family practitioner,

drilled into me several times with drawings and arrows and all that

. On rare occasion I believe I've heard a doc say 5 days, but

almost always the 7 - 10 days is discussed.

 

Not doing your full course of herbs or eoils or other antibiotics, you

are a breeding farm for nastier microbes. And of course, they are

still then residing in your system, either dormant or just waiting for

your immune strength to drop again. Maybe that will give us all a kick

in the behind about how we self-medicate?

 

" I guess I just keep expecting our immune systems to step up to the

plate without needing constant supplementation. "

We live in the Kali Yuga, Radhika. The influences of adharma are way

dominant, and that carries into every aspect of our lives. If we want

to experience healthy happy lives, we do have to take extra measures,

extra meditations, yoga, prayers, and much more. Even if, as our dear

Maharishi has announced to everyone's surprise, we are headed for a

Sat Yuga by mid July, it won't change the status of microbial behavior

or all that so quickly!

 

So if you read the long piece on how breastfed babies can get sick,

extrapolate much of it to anyone ...and see how it is not just about

the immune system by a long shot. Toxin levels and weak body

chemistries (of which there are SO many - body metabolic pathways,

that is) play a big part. So if you know you easily get sick,

homework is not only about doing some consistent buildup and

preventive measures, but that will buy time to find out what the

deeper issues are.

 

Prevention it is not about this # days, 7 - 10 is about the life cycle

apparently of bacteria, although I think that is very generalized.

Whooping cough holds on avg 6 weeks, right? ANyone know the viral

life cycles? I think they vary alot more.

 

Re the following Q -

> Also some of those people from the testimonials use very large

amounts of the oil, I thought above 5 drops internally daily for an

adult was the safe limit?

 

Varies from oil to oil and body to body and also which viral or

bacterial strain/intensity we might be working with. Last winter I

called my mentor with the oils and asked - which oils are working best

on the really heavy bug going around? She said almost full capsule of

Thieves blend, with 2 - 3 drops oregano. Seemed like a lot, but it

worked when my milder dose approach didin't. I was using the next to

largest capsules, as I remember.

 

I use muscle testing if in doubt for lack of better assessment, and

then see what is working also. We are all learning here. For

some/smaller folk like you, certainly I'd do less, and start less to

see if our body needs it diluted with carrier (maybe sesame oil or

aloe vera gel) even tho the tummy lining is so accustomed to strong

acids, some people are weak on the mucus lining, (I forget which

sub-dosha of kapha that is?) or empty stomach might not be time to

take it, etc. Take care, again these are quite pitta increasing, but

they are way less disruptive than the side effects of the allopathic

meds in not just my experience.

 

BTW, I just received and email news piece on essential oils being

tested and compared VERY favorably for managing ear infections, due to

their volatile nature penetrating the eardrum easily. 'this was on

Reuters news. If anyone wants to see it, email me

martha(at)sacredwindow.com. For children of course, one has to dilute

with a carrier oil more and be careful with busy hands getting near

eyes mouth or other orafices.

 

> Also after how long of using an oil does the body become immune to it?

It seems wise to me to use variety, althernate 2 or 3 if using daily

as suggested in one of those mother's reports. There is no

established window that I have heard, Dr. G. Young usually gives more

lip service to the fact that it is VERY hard for the microbes to

mutate against therapeutic grade eiols because there are between 300

and 800 bioconstitutents present in any one plant oil, generally.

This means usually more than one antimicrobial influence plus many

more life supporting protective, healing, oxygenating, free radical

reducing, tissue regenerating, nourishing, etc influences all in every

drop. Quite potent. This is what the plant makes them for! Such a

blessing we can use them so well too.

 

When I have time, I love to be able to share. Hard to just sit on

what we know when we are mothers, right But take care and

responsibly make your own choices and I have to advise you to consult

your primary care practitioner about any serious illness of course.

Keep asking questoins too! Took me a long time to learn this is a

responsibility we all have!

Love,

Martha

[Guest guest]

Thank you Martha,

I did take many Ayurveda classes, and the only mention of time frame was from

Sarita, who said in her Ayurveda and Infectious disease class to take herbs for

7 days and then brake, so the body does not start treating the herbs like food.

Sarasvati never mentioned time frame or too much about dosage. Only in the parts

per herb ratio, but then I have heard that that 1/4 tsp to 1 tsp per day is

typically a very small dosage, and may not be effective.

When I make myself a formula, I sometimes take 1 tsp 3 times daily, and still

that has not always been enough to save off the infection. (Even when taken for

propper amount of time).

There is where seasonal awareness and prevention in food and herb is key I

guess.

Yes, not only do we live in the city, we live right downtown, above a very busy

street. I never really stopped to consider how the pollution might be affecting

our immunity. I have always lived in a city.

I also have chronic candida which lowers my immunity I suppose. I am learning,

but am a lazy cook, so most times go for something easy, and not so good for me.

Though I am trying to be more conscious of it, after years of being what I call

a " bread and cheese vegetarian " it's taking some effort to change my ways. Also

my son is ridiculously picky, so it is hard to find him and myself decent things

to eat. I bought a book recently called Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon

and that has educated me highly about the health myths and what not about food

out there.

Anyway, that is all another story.

Thanks for all your wise words and the opportunity to share my questions and

stories!

Love Radhika

 

 

Martha Oakes <martha wrote:

Hi Radhika;

Certainly the need to be so regularly using eoils orany other

supplement or medicine to prevent otherwise frequent illness is

another discussion, and should be addressed (oh my, here I go!).

 

Even with your ayurvedic background ... did you get to the Ayurveda 2

classes? Ithink you took more than I! There are so many influences.

 

Being a single mom is a big one, EFA levels, of course hydration,

fun, exercise, rest/quality of it, antioxidants in sufficient source

diversity and quantity whether food or (often needed in our culture)

otherwise, and for vegetarians, B 12 deficiency is rampant, I'm

discovering, and can really lower threshhold in some way I don't

understand the chemistry. Then there are pollutants - you live in a

city? What about contrails ... ? I hear scary things about them, not

sure it is the place to discuss here.

 

Certainly, the overall immune strength and hormone health level of the

populaton now is very much lowered, while the microbes circulating

even if not intentionally dispersed as some propose, they are getting

much stronger both because of the natural selection for stronger ones

going throu an increasingly unhealthy lifestyle/diet population and

yes, quite, for the both natural and allopathic misuse of

anitbacterial medicines just as you have described yourself doing.

This is really not wise, something my father, a family practitioner,

drilled into me several times with drawings and arrows and all that

. On rare occasion I believe I've heard a doc say 5 days, but

almost always the 7 - 10 days is discussed.

 

Not doing your full course of herbs or eoils or other antibiotics, you

are a breeding farm for nastier microbes. And of course, they are

still then residing in your system, either dormant or just waiting for

your immune strength to drop again. Maybe that will give us all a kick

in the behind about how we self-medicate?

 

" I guess I just keep expecting our immune systems to step up to the

plate without needing constant supplementation. "

We live in the Kali Yuga, Radhika. The influences of adharma are way

dominant, and that carries into every aspect of our lives. If we want

to experience healthy happy lives, we do have to take extra measures,

extra meditations, yoga, prayers, and much more. Even if, as our dear

Maharishi has announced to everyone's surprise, we are headed for a

Sat Yuga by mid July, it won't change the status of microbial behavior

or all that so quickly!

 

So if you read the long piece on how breastfed babies can get sick,

extrapolate much of it to anyone ...and see how it is not just about

the immune system by a long shot. Toxin levels and weak body

chemistries (of which there are SO many - body metabolic pathways,

that is) play a big part. So if you know you easily get sick,

homework is not only about doing some consistent buildup and

preventive measures, but that will buy time to find out what the

deeper issues are.

 

Prevention it is not about this # days, 7 - 10 is about the life cycle

apparently of bacteria, although I think that is very generalized.

Whooping cough holds on avg 6 weeks, right? ANyone know the viral

life cycles? I think they vary alot more.

 

Re the following Q -

> Also some of those people from the testimonials use very large

amounts of the oil, I thought above 5 drops internally daily for an

adult was the safe limit?

 

Varies from oil to oil and body to body and also which viral or

bacterial strain/intensity we might be working with. Last winter I

called my mentor with the oils and asked - which oils are working best

on the really heavy bug going around? She said almost full capsule of

Thieves blend, with 2 - 3 drops oregano. Seemed like a lot, but it

worked when my milder dose approach didin't. I was using the next to

largest capsules, as I remember.

 

I use muscle testing if in doubt for lack of better assessment, and

then see what is working also. We are all learning here. For

some/smaller folk like you, certainly I'd do less, and start less to

see if our body needs it diluted with carrier (maybe sesame oil or

aloe vera gel) even tho the tummy lining is so accustomed to strong

acids, some people are weak on the mucus lining, (I forget which

sub-dosha of kapha that is?) or empty stomach might not be time to

take it, etc. Take care, again these are quite pitta increasing, but

they are way less disruptive than the side effects of the allopathic

meds in not just my experience.

 

BTW, I just received and email news piece on essential oils being

tested and compared VERY favorably for managing ear infections, due to

their volatile nature penetrating the eardrum easily. 'this was on

Reuters news. If anyone wants to see it, email me

martha(at)sacredwindow.com. For children of course, one has to dilute

with a carrier oil more and be careful with busy hands getting near

eyes mouth or other orafices.

 

> Also after how long of using an oil does the body become immune to it?

It seems wise to me to use variety, althernate 2 or 3 if using daily

as suggested in one of those mother's reports. There is no

established window that I have heard, Dr. G. Young usually gives more

lip service to the fact that it is VERY hard for the microbes to

mutate against therapeutic grade eiols because there are between 300

and 800 bioconstitutents present in any one plant oil, generally.

This means usually more than one antimicrobial influence plus many

more life supporting protective, healing, oxygenating, free radical

reducing, tissue regenerating, nourishing, etc influences all in every

drop. Quite potent. This is what the plant makes them for! Such a

blessing we can use them so well too.

 

When I have time, I love to be able to share. Hard to just sit on

what we know when we are mothers, right But take care and

responsibly make your own choices and I have to advise you to consult

your primary care practitioner about any serious illness of course.

Keep asking questoins too! Took me a long time to learn this is a

responsibility we all have!

Love,

Martha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Radhika;

The opportunity to share about what really is working, doesn't and

what are our realtime concerns is why this forum, quite a bit. I

really appreciate this chance to get to know you. As your teacher in

a few classes long ago, or for others too for that matter, it is

difficult to know how much people are absorbing, what they really

need, and where I need to expand.

 

Herbs alone is certainly not enough, nor any one " medicine " so to

speak. I had interesting exposure about 8 years ago to a native

american medicine man, John Two Birds, in Sedona. Someone asked the

question about herbs for some issue. He launched into discussion how

they doin't usually talk in those terms because there is so much more

than an herb to really heal a problem. Such as, if Grandpa has

constipatoin. His approach is to visit with the whole family and get

them all involved (they probably are, aren't and should be, certainly

need to be in a different way).

 

Various family members will be engaged in prayer, chanting, other

ceremony, food and water preparations (soup?) and someone will be sent

up on " that hill " to gather certain specified plant/s. Even if it is

growing right outside the Ti Pi! Counseling them all on better care

of Grandpa is key, him too. It is much wiser way to look at and treat

the whole picture.

 

re living in the city or other pollutant exposures, D. Gary Young

explains that - we tend to accumulate a petrochemical film around the

pineal, hypothalamus and whatever other glands are there in the brain,

easily accessed by the olfactory pathways ... . They are somehow

attracted to the hormonal receptor sites as I understand it, or just

create a coating. In any case, just breathing city air goes that way!

How to clear it? Call on Ayurveda's panchakarma oleation techniques

especially the nasyas and even the ghee eye bath are helpful.

 

Wherever there is regular bug spraying in an apartment (I had to put

my foot down NOOOO here) one is prone to weakening influences. And

new carpets I'm given to understand, outgas over 140 carcinogenic

chemicals for 1 - 2 years, carpet cleaners doin't help. I was advised

to cover my carpets (whole apartment except kitchen and bathroom, and

I was so sick for so many weeks!) with baking soda. I used 32 pounds

in over 1,000 sq feet! I stepped from well sprinkled side of the room

to the other side and started coughing again. !!! I'll leave the

discussion about the low budget and high budget both - housecleaning

products and body care products and their influence on bodily

pollution ...! We all have many layers to attend to.

 

Use of refined sugars also temporarily (or for longer time) blocks the

brain glands particularly the uptake receptors for HGH, our hormone

which is involved in our ability to heal, immune strength, heart,

liver, pancreas too I beleive, and other functions, not just about

growing. I would say the importance of good prana, breathing

exercises, aerobic exercise in whatever form works for you will

probably realy help here, as well as plants in the house. I am

discovering significant dependence daytimes on my air purifier due to

mold/mildew growtn as well as pesticide spraying in summer time

especially here in N. FLorida. Every climate has it's issues.

 

Dr. Young gets to the point with something like lemon oil (organic of

course, reminding all readers that " 100% natural " is not organic, and

essential oils concentrate petrochemicals when they grow, being of

some lipid like structure also.

 

Lemon oil is great for getting chewing gum out of our hair too. It is

among the cheapest essential oils, and has many virtues among them

immune enhancing, lifting the spirits, tastes great in my cottage

cheese/flax oil mix, has proven antitumoral properties, benefits to

lymphatic congestion, and ... dissolves easily sticky petrochemical

goo as well as the hard slimy coating on the glands created by

antidepressants.

 

Dosage taught commonly in western schools of ayurveda seems to be the

smaller you mentioned. However, delivery is an issue, most people

either need to taste it on their tongue (often not for the grown up

picky eters or hydrate it well in hot water before taking to get

the most out of it, if it is not being delivered with another anapuna

such as ghee, honey, or milk. Hydration in any case is very

important, or the oleation - rather than taking a dry, vata increasing

form such as commonly delivered western herbals in capsules.

 

And then is seems some schools of ayurveda more tradtionally deliver

much larger doses. I have been taking 1.5 - 2 tsp per dose, prepared

in 2 cup hot thermous it brews without further attention for long time

and it seems much more effective. Remember, traditional use often

decocts more down back into a dried pill of much stronger form, having

used more herb to begin with and facilitated its release and

concentration. This is " pharmaceutical grade " ayurvedic herbs such as

is sold by Dr. Naram. They recommend you chew these, By the way.

 

Chronic candida is a sign/side effect of lowered

immunity/vitality/digestive agni and probably, thyroid, unless you

have your energy in good shape. Bread and cheese as you know can be

classically candida creating. Lean more into the fresh/unfermented

cheeses, take warm or with hot food, and try the flax oil combo with

it for least mucuous and best delivery of the flax. Let me know if

you don't have that recipe/varations. Also ricotta is yum warmed in

some spices. You should be using garlic, at this point in your life,

and can, like in postpartum, saute to lightly brown to take some of

the restlessness promoting property out.

 

Ah yes, the picky eater kid trip; definitely has some relationshipo in

my opinoin often to the single parent or married but feels single

effort to balance the relationship but this is abstract thought (and

opinoin), don't ask me to explain please.

 

RE Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon Her first chapter (about

80 pages) is an educaton I recommend to EVERYONE - awesomely well

collected and commented informatoin, isn't it? Not that I agree with

everything in her cookbook, including the meat use and her infant

formula, oh my God, I would not give that to anyone, the food

combining alone! But I suppose the life force and benefits outweigh

in their experience making it much better than the dead canned or

dried options. There are better ways, according to ayurvedic

physicians! Dr. Shamli Jyoshi if one can get a hold of her, knows how

to design appropriate for the infant if it has to happen, but she is

very reluctant and wants to see the infant/family to body type/vikruti

properly personalize.

 

Lots of health myths, to thread our way through, and even with

wisedom, to prioritize we have to have a way to get in touch with our

quiet center beyond the attachments, passions and the rest of the

confusion and fray, or it is very difficult to feel we are making

progress. And progress is the basis of survival, not the other way

around, according to my master teacher, Maharishi. Interesting, eh?

 

Wishing you Many Blessings;

Martha

[Guest guest]

hello all and martha

In my lurking I took note of a mention to use better cleaning products, of

which, I have found a great source.....natural, non toxic and they actually

work. Not going to turn on the info-mercial here but if any of you are

interested contact me sometime, I'd be happy to share.

Bless

Rebecca

star_seed111

 

Martha Oakes <martha wrote:

Dear Radhika;

The opportunity to share about what really is working, doesn't and

what are our realtime concerns is why this forum, quite a bit. I

really appreciate this chance to get to know you. As your teacher in

a few classes long ago, or for others too for that matter, it is

difficult to know how much people are absorbing, what they really

need, and where I need to expand.

 

Herbs alone is certainly not enough, nor any one " medicine " so to

speak. I had interesting exposure about 8 years ago to a native

american medicine man, John Two Birds, in Sedona. Someone asked the

question about herbs for some issue. He launched into discussion how

they doin't usually talk in those terms because there is so much more

than an herb to really heal a problem. Such as, if Grandpa has

constipatoin. His approach is to visit with the whole family and get

them all involved (they probably are, aren't and should be, certainly

need to be in a different way).

 

Various family members will be engaged in prayer, chanting, other

ceremony, food and water preparations (soup?) and someone will be sent

up on " that hill " to gather certain specified plant/s. Even if it is

growing right outside the Ti Pi! Counseling them all on better care

of Grandpa is key, him too. It is much wiser way to look at and treat

the whole picture.

 

re living in the city or other pollutant exposures, D. Gary Young

explains that - we tend to accumulate a petrochemical film around the

pineal, hypothalamus and whatever other glands are there in the brain,

easily accessed by the olfactory pathways ... . They are somehow

attracted to the hormonal receptor sites as I understand it, or just

create a coating. In any case, just breathing city air goes that way!

How to clear it? Call on Ayurveda's panchakarma oleation techniques

especially the nasyas and even the ghee eye bath are helpful.

 

Wherever there is regular bug spraying in an apartment (I had to put

my foot down NOOOO here) one is prone to weakening influences. And

new carpets I'm given to understand, outgas over 140 carcinogenic

chemicals for 1 - 2 years, carpet cleaners doin't help. I was advised

to cover my carpets (whole apartment except kitchen and bathroom, and

I was so sick for so many weeks!) with baking soda. I used 32 pounds

in over 1,000 sq feet! I stepped from well sprinkled side of the room

to the other side and started coughing again. !!! I'll leave the

discussion about the low budget and high budget both - housecleaning

products and body care products and their influence on bodily

pollution ...! We all have many layers to attend to.

 

Use of refined sugars also temporarily (or for longer time) blocks the

brain glands particularly the uptake receptors for HGH, our hormone

which is involved in our ability to heal, immune strength, heart,

liver, pancreas too I beleive, and other functions, not just about

growing. I would say the importance of good prana, breathing

exercises, aerobic exercise in whatever form works for you will

probably realy help here, as well as plants in the house. I am

discovering significant dependence daytimes on my air purifier due to

mold/mildew growtn as well as pesticide spraying in summer time

especially here in N. FLorida. Every climate has it's issues.

 

Dr. Young gets to the point with something like lemon oil (organic of

course, reminding all readers that " 100% natural " is not organic, and

essential oils concentrate petrochemicals when they grow, being of

some lipid like structure also.

 

Lemon oil is great for getting chewing gum out of our hair too. It is

among the cheapest essential oils, and has many virtues among them

immune enhancing, lifting the spirits, tastes great in my cottage

cheese/flax oil mix, has proven antitumoral properties, benefits to

lymphatic congestion, and ... dissolves easily sticky petrochemical

goo as well as the hard slimy coating on the glands created by

antidepressants.

 

Dosage taught commonly in western schools of ayurveda seems to be the

smaller you mentioned. However, delivery is an issue, most people

either need to taste it on their tongue (often not for the grown up

picky eters or hydrate it well in hot water before taking to get

the most out of it, if it is not being delivered with another anapuna

such as ghee, honey, or milk. Hydration in any case is very

important, or the oleation - rather than taking a dry, vata increasing

form such as commonly delivered western herbals in capsules.

 

And then is seems some schools of ayurveda more tradtionally deliver

much larger doses. I have been taking 1.5 - 2 tsp per dose, prepared

in 2 cup hot thermous it brews without further attention for long time

and it seems much more effective. Remember, traditional use often

decocts more down back into a dried pill of much stronger form, having

used more herb to begin with and facilitated its release and

concentration. This is " pharmaceutical grade " ayurvedic herbs such as

is sold by Dr. Naram. They recommend you chew these, By the way.

 

Chronic candida is a sign/side effect of lowered

immunity/vitality/digestive agni and probably, thyroid, unless you

have your energy in good shape. Bread and cheese as you know can be

classically candida creating. Lean more into the fresh/unfermented

cheeses, take warm or with hot food, and try the flax oil combo with

it for least mucuous and best delivery of the flax. Let me know if

you don't have that recipe/varations. Also ricotta is yum warmed in

some spices. You should be using garlic, at this point in your life,

and can, like in postpartum, saute to lightly brown to take some of

the restlessness promoting property out.

 

Ah yes, the picky eater kid trip; definitely has some relationshipo in

my opinoin often to the single parent or married but feels single

effort to balance the relationship but this is abstract thought (and

opinoin), don't ask me to explain please.

 

RE Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon Her first chapter (about

80 pages) is an educaton I recommend to EVERYONE - awesomely well

collected and commented informatoin, isn't it? Not that I agree with

everything in her cookbook, including the meat use and her infant

formula, oh my God, I would not give that to anyone, the food

combining alone! But I suppose the life force and benefits outweigh

in their experience making it much better than the dead canned or

dried options. There are better ways, according to ayurvedic

physicians! Dr. Shamli Jyoshi if one can get a hold of her, knows how

to design appropriate for the infant if it has to happen, but she is

very reluctant and wants to see the infant/family to body type/vikruti

properly personalize.

 

Lots of health myths, to thread our way through, and even with

wisedom, to prioritize we have to have a way to get in touch with our

quiet center beyond the attachments, passions and the rest of the

confusion and fray, or it is very difficult to feel we are making

progress. And progress is the basis of survival, not the other way

around, according to my master teacher, Maharishi. Interesting, eh?

 

Wishing you Many Blessings;

Martha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Martha and group,

You know, lemon oil is one of my favorites, I use it most internally of all the

oils. Which naturally brings me to yet another question. My confusion I guess is

regarding if I should think about the oils as supplements or medicine, or does

it depend on the oil. Such as I could take Theives for 7-10 days as medicine,

but say take lemon oil for months as a dietary supplement? Or treat them all as

medicine, taking only as needed for the alotted time of 7-10 days? Also how many

times a day should I take them? I usually only take them once per day.

I read a book once that got me scared about overdosing. It told of all the

statistics and people that used e-oils for suicide, so that stuck in my mind,

and got me fearful of ovedosing!

 

As for cleaning products, luckily I have no carpets and get great results

cleaning with vinegar and baking soda, for just about everything. I also add a

few drops of Purification oil to a blend of water and vinegar and use that for

just about anything too, I like it alot, and feel I am keeping critters at bay

too. (We have some big ants that surface in the summer here.)

 

I dont think I have the flax oil recipes. I would love them. Thanks.

Yeah, I'm at a point where eating is not fun, as I know I should eat more

protein, and less starch (re candida) but dont digest it well. Though as I

incorporate little things here and there, my digestion has improved.

Guess it is time for PK!!! Or maybe take some Triphala longterm, just to be

gentler about it. I cant see myself going through the whole thing and having to

take care of Devan.

Thanks for your letter!

love Radhika

 

Rebecca Vann <star_seed111 wrote:

hello all and martha

In my lurking I took note of a mention to use better cleaning products, of

which, I have found a great source.....natural, non toxic and they actually

work. Not going to turn on the info-mercial here but if any of you are

interested contact me sometime, I'd be happy to share.

Bless

Rebecca

star_seed111

 

Martha Oakes <martha wrote:

Dear Radhika;

The opportunity to share about what really is working, doesn't and

what are our realtime concerns is why this forum, quite a bit. I

really appreciate this chance to get to know you. As your teacher in

a few classes long ago, or for others too for that matter, it is

difficult to know how much people are absorbing, what they really

need, and where I need to expand.

 

Herbs alone is certainly not enough, nor any one " medicine " so to

speak. I had interesting exposure about 8 years ago to a native

american medicine man, John Two Birds, in Sedona. Someone asked the

question about herbs for some issue. He launched into discussion how

they doin't usually talk in those terms because there is so much more

than an herb to really heal a problem. Such as, if Grandpa has

constipatoin. His approach is to visit with the whole family and get

them all involved (they probably are, aren't and should be, certainly

need to be in a different way).

 

Various family members will be engaged in prayer, chanting, other

ceremony, food and water preparations (soup?) and someone will be sent

up on " that hill " to gather certain specified plant/s. Even if it is

growing right outside the Ti Pi! Counseling them all on better care

of Grandpa is key, him too. It is much wiser way to look at and treat

the whole picture.

 

re living in the city or other pollutant exposures, D. Gary Young

explains that - we tend to accumulate a petrochemical film around the

pineal, hypothalamus and whatever other glands are there in the brain,

easily accessed by the olfactory pathways ... . They are somehow

attracted to the hormonal receptor sites as I understand it, or just

create a coating. In any case, just breathing city air goes that way!

How to clear it? Call on Ayurveda's panchakarma oleation techniques

especially the nasyas and even the ghee eye bath are helpful.

 

Wherever there is regular bug spraying in an apartment (I had to put

my foot down NOOOO here) one is prone to weakening influences. And

new carpets I'm given to understand, outgas over 140 carcinogenic

chemicals for 1 - 2 years, carpet cleaners doin't help. I was advised

to cover my carpets (whole apartment except kitchen and bathroom, and

I was so sick for so many weeks!) with baking soda. I used 32 pounds

in over 1,000 sq feet! I stepped from well sprinkled side of the room

to the other side and started coughing again. !!! I'll leave the

discussion about the low budget and high budget both - housecleaning

products and body care products and their influence on bodily

pollution ...! We all have many layers to attend to.

 

Use of refined sugars also temporarily (or for longer time) blocks the

brain glands particularly the uptake receptors for HGH, our hormone

which is involved in our ability to heal, immune strength, heart,

liver, pancreas too I beleive, and other functions, not just about

growing. I would say the importance of good prana, breathing

exercises, aerobic exercise in whatever form works for you will

probably realy help here, as well as plants in the house. I am

discovering significant dependence daytimes on my air purifier due to

mold/mildew growtn as well as pesticide spraying in summer time

especially here in N. FLorida. Every climate has it's issues.

 

Dr. Young gets to the point with something like lemon oil (organic of

course, reminding all readers that " 100% natural " is not organic, and

essential oils concentrate petrochemicals when they grow, being of

some lipid like structure also.

 

Lemon oil is great for getting chewing gum out of our hair too. It is

among the cheapest essential oils, and has many virtues among them

immune enhancing, lifting the spirits, tastes great in my cottage

cheese/flax oil mix, has proven antitumoral properties, benefits to

lymphatic congestion, and ... dissolves easily sticky petrochemical

goo as well as the hard slimy coating on the glands created by

antidepressants.

 

Dosage taught commonly in western schools of ayurveda seems to be the

smaller you mentioned. However, delivery is an issue, most people

either need to taste it on their tongue (often not for the grown up

picky eters or hydrate it well in hot water before taking to get

the most out of it, if it is not being delivered with another anapuna

such as ghee, honey, or milk. Hydration in any case is very

important, or the oleation - rather than taking a dry, vata increasing

form such as commonly delivered western herbals in capsules.

 

And then is seems some schools of ayurveda more tradtionally deliver

much larger doses. I have been taking 1.5 - 2 tsp per dose, prepared

in 2 cup hot thermous it brews without further attention for long time

and it seems much more effective. Remember, traditional use often

decocts more down back into a dried pill of much stronger form, having

used more herb to begin with and facilitated its release and

concentration. This is " pharmaceutical grade " ayurvedic herbs such as

is sold by Dr. Naram. They recommend you chew these, By the way.

 

Chronic candida is a sign/side effect of lowered

immunity/vitality/digestive agni and probably, thyroid, unless you

have your energy in good shape. Bread and cheese as you know can be

classically candida creating. Lean more into the fresh/unfermented

cheeses, take warm or with hot food, and try the flax oil combo with

it for least mucuous and best delivery of the flax. Let me know if

you don't have that recipe/varations. Also ricotta is yum warmed in

some spices. You should be using garlic, at this point in your life,

and can, like in postpartum, saute to lightly brown to take some of

the restlessness promoting property out.

 

Ah yes, the picky eater kid trip; definitely has some relationshipo in

my opinoin often to the single parent or married but feels single

effort to balance the relationship but this is abstract thought (and

opinoin), don't ask me to explain please.

 

RE Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon Her first chapter (about

80 pages) is an educaton I recommend to EVERYONE - awesomely well

collected and commented informatoin, isn't it? Not that I agree with

everything in her cookbook, including the meat use and her infant

formula, oh my God, I would not give that to anyone, the food

combining alone! But I suppose the life force and benefits outweigh

in their experience making it much better than the dead canned or

dried options. There are better ways, according to ayurvedic

physicians! Dr. Shamli Jyoshi if one can get a hold of her, knows how

to design appropriate for the infant if it has to happen, but she is

very reluctant and wants to see the infant/family to body type/vikruti

properly personalize.

 

Lots of health myths, to thread our way through, and even with

wisedom, to prioritize we have to have a way to get in touch with our

quiet center beyond the attachments, passions and the rest of the

confusion and fray, or it is very difficult to feel we are making

progress. And progress is the basis of survival, not the other way

around, according to my master teacher, Maharishi. Interesting, eh?

 

Wishing you Many Blessings;

Martha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Radhika, there is a list avail on eoils GRAS - generally considered

safe for consumption. Both products you mention would be in that

categhory, and your assessment sounds right to me about duration

between the two. Some use the Thieves blend for longer time, but

alternate from time to time with other things. Indications might be

yeast, systemic. For antimicrobial value, I find 3 - 4 X daily is

essential when fighting off some of these super viruses and bacteria

floating around! Just like taking herbs or allopathic drugs.

 

There are many books and websites out there giving major precautions

on use of eoils beyond the protocols being very safely and effectively

used with therapeutic grade ones - in research and clinics as well as

individually. This suicide use, whew, I never heard that one. But

Certainly, knowing (read EOil basics at www.sacredwindow.com) things

like the pesiticide residue concentrations, the solvents standardly

washed in with the last distillation batch, and the fact that, last I

heard about 8 years ago, there were about 10 times as many essential

oils sold on the marketplace as there are grown from Mother Earth, all

these things tell me that what is contained in a drop of those oils is

not something I'd feel safe putting on " neet " topically, nor ingesting

by any means. Even though this is the grade used inperfumes and in

the food flavorings in the supermarket, as well as many bottles which

read " 100% natural " or " 100% pure essential oil " . The latter only has

to have 10% concentration of essential oil, and that could be - even

synthetic.

 

There are some eoils which are toxic at large doses, and at small for

that matter. Someone just told me eoil of poisen oak or ivy in on

ounce bottle could give everyone on the planet severe dose... we don't

find that available, fortunately, nor most of the others which are

unsafe. Certainly we have to read up on these things. It is true

that the books which discuss therapeutic grade oils are saying some

different things from the other books. Readily avail at

http://www.essentialscience.net, http://www.abundanthealth.us, of

course Amazon and th e like if you know what you are looking for.

Light and Brian Miller's books on Ayurveda and Essential oils are

wonderful, but she must have had some bad reaction with clients who

used some of her cheaper oils (she carries a perfume grade line and

more medicinal grade, including many unusual oils). So she is very

much cautioning against using oils neet (this means undiluted) except

for a handful of very safe ones, or ingesting.

I'm finally learning to use vinegar for cleaning also, although for

tough jobs either laundry Ifeel is laden with microbes, colds etc, or

for awesome carpet cleaning, I'm finding the Thieves cleaner is really

amazing. There are many really excellent products on the market. The

" antimicrobial " soaps soald in supermarkets as I understand it are

really toxic however. Sorry, I can't bring up the details from my memory.

 

Flax - cheese recipe separate post

 

Watch your prana, your digestive spice intake (turmeric, too!), review

your ayurveda 1 notes, and be sure you get some exercise and fun!

 

These would be good too ... maybe some ayurvedic tech will be willing

to trade massages with you? I don't generally recommend all that

oleation and pk therapies in mid summer though - change of seasons is

best time.

> Guess it is time for PK!!! Or maybe take some Triphala longterm,

just to be gentler about it. I cant see myself going through the whole

thing and having to take care of Devan.

 

Reminder, please try not to include all previous posts - some people

get these in a summary of all posts and it is a lot to scroll thru to

get to the ones they want to read. Thanks

Peace!

Martha