herbal/hair loss recommendations ayurvedic response

[Guest guest]

Hi My Dear Sisters and Brothers;

Here's some more thoughts from the AyurDoula.

 

> Sometimes a baby that size is hungry ...I sometimes have parents

..give the baby a little sugar water to avoid the cows proteins in

..formula til moms milk comes in.

The ayurvedic first approach here cannot be professionaly recommended

due to use of honey, but in India and Nepal a newborn is given just

enough honey and clarified butter mixed, to fit in middle of a baby's

palm, very little, but this not only nourishes with a slower sugar and

fat which gives lasting energy, but is considered Baby's first

immunization. Generally a thin piece of gold wire and/or calamus root

is rubbed thru it to add to that effect. There is concern here of

some botulism spores in honey. Yet this practice is thousands of

years old, used in nearly every household there! I wouldn't be

surprised it the toxic effects of cooked honey common here aren't part

of the story.

 

I'd like to invite everyone's review and Vicky/anyone!, your comments

of some ayurvedic considerations on proper use of cow's milk, an

article I have just written and posted on

www.sacredwindow.com/articles-Milk.html. It is not necessarily the

cow's milk proteins per se but how they are grown, prepared and

delivered which IS serious problem. I have seen a cow's milk formula

designed by a woman MD/ayurvedic practitioner used by a family

adopting a newborn; that baby was/is SO healthy! Not for every baby

in need, of course, and the common practice of homogenization seals

the deal that way.

 

>That probably kicked in your anxiety disorder, for which

> there might have been herbs, homeopathics, etc, You want to contact

>Holly Scholles who owns the Birthingway College of Midwifery in

>Portland. She knows an awful lot about herbs and grows them too.

IT would kick in any mother's anxiety! Especially severe when the

physiology is out of balance. These " mood disorders " do not have

their basis in thin air, but have to do with imbalances in the body

and nervous system, created much more quite severly by western dietary

and lifestyle practices in particular. It is very empowering to learn

how to take better care of ourselves and family, as well as our

community sisters!

 

Ayurvedic herbals are by my experience much more effective than the

western herbalist's options, and tastier as well than the Chinese,

BTW. The ones used most commonly include Shatavari (wild asparagus

root - general hormone more estrogenic and very best lactation support

as well as female rejuv), ashwaghanda (grounding strength, lactation,

rejuvenation, calming,jatamamsi, bhrami, bacopa, shankapushpi and a

variety of wild yam (more progesterone precursor) among others.

www.toddcaldecott.com and Michael Tierra (planetary herbology) are

both westerners trained in western and oriental herbs hosting a wealth

of herbal info on their websites wherre you will find reference to

these commonly available " ayurvedic " herbs (anything could be

considered ayurvedically, that is).

 

My encouragement to contact an Ayurvedic physician is because 1)

Clara's excitement to find this info here and 2) of ayurveda's proven

ability to not just manage but heal the source cause, and teach us in

the process how to prevent in the future. Any of the women listed on

www.sacredwindow.com/resources.html in the first section who are with

Indian name are very qualified and deal with these things frequently,

also having the properties of each herb and food more in their

awareness for anxiety or each of the other types of PPmood disorders.

 

>The hair loss is just a result of the estrogen drop, normal for 6

>months after any birth, mom's adjust to the estrogen loss gradually.

Vicki - I am not schooled though I've heard it I don't remember - in

the hormonal dance in western terms here. The estrogen drop you refer

to is right after childbirth? Hair loss is not " Normal " , by my

training and experience. It is result of imbalances which can be

prevented and corrected both, the latter taking more time of course.

Ayurvedic has excellent support herbs for such including bhringaraj,

brahmi and ashwaghanda, although again it is best personally designed

formula.

 

> Anyway, Wendy is the one who would know about this stuff.

Thanks for posting this, Vicky. You will be glad to know I sent

another note to Wendy, I'd very much like to compare notes. Having

practical grounded backup is essential. The great gift of a more

allopathic approach is for crisis care, in my opinion an amazing

safety net.

Martha

[Guest guest]

I will check out your web site, Martha and give you my thoughts on the milk.

I am about to begin drinking raw milk myself, having only just recently

found a source and looking forward to it.

I wish I knew more about ayurvedic approaches to all these things, my

comments come from my allopathic knowledge, which, as we all know, is sadly

lacking. Nearly all moms suffer from hair loss for months after birth and a

full 20% suffer from postpartum depression. And if I suggested even a tiny

amount of honey and a baby got botulism I would look like a fool. But by the

same token I am always saying I wish more women would deliver at home and

avoid the hospitals and yet the mothers are afraid of that one time

something will go wrong because of their decision. I also wish i had the

money to go put myself into the hands of an ayurvedic practitioner and see

for myself how it works. And also to afford to learn all these ayurvedic

terms and where to find the supplies. Big blank spot in my knowledge. Ah, to

be retired and free to travel and learn and immerse myself in completely

different methods of practicing. Funny, just today I read that someone said

one must not put a wishbone where a backbone ought to be. hee hee.

Vicky

 

----

 

Martha Oakes

04/25/05 18:20:16

ayurveda

Re: herbal/hair loss recommendations ayurvedic response

 

 

Hi My Dear Sisters and Brothers;

Here's some more thoughts from the AyurDoula.

 

> Sometimes a baby that size is hungry ...I sometimes have parents

...give the baby a little sugar water to avoid the cows proteins in

...formula til moms milk comes in.

The ayurvedic first approach here cannot be professionaly recommended

due to use of honey, but in India and Nepal a newborn is given just

enough honey and clarified butter mixed, to fit in middle of a baby's

palm, very little, but this not only nourishes with a slower sugar and

fat which gives lasting energy, but is considered Baby's first

immunization. Generally a thin piece of gold wire and/or calamus root

is rubbed thru it to add to that effect. There is concern here of

some botulism spores in honey. Yet this practice is thousands of

years old, used in nearly every household there! I wouldn't be

surprised it the toxic effects of cooked honey common here aren't part

of the story.

 

I'd like to invite everyone's review and Vicky/anyone!, your comments

of some ayurvedic considerations on proper use of cow's milk, an

article I have just written and posted on

www.sacredwindow.com/articles-Milk.html. It is not necessarily the

cow's milk proteins per se but how they are grown, prepared and

delivered which IS serious problem. I have seen a cow's milk formula

designed by a woman MD/ayurvedic practitioner used by a family

adopting a newborn; that baby was/is SO healthy! Not for every baby

in need, of course, and the common practice of homogenization seals

the deal that way.

 

>That probably kicked in your anxiety disorder, for which

> there might have been herbs, homeopathics, etc, You want to contact

>Holly Scholles who owns the Birthingway College of Midwifery in

>Portland. She knows an awful lot about herbs and grows them too.

IT would kick in any mother's anxiety! Especially severe when the

physiology is out of balance. These " mood disorders " do not have

their basis in thin air, but have to do with imbalances in the body

and nervous system, created much more quite severly by western dietary

and lifestyle practices in particular. It is very empowering to learn

how to take better care of ourselves and family, as well as our

community sisters!

 

Ayurvedic herbals are by my experience much more effective than the

western herbalist's options, and tastier as well than the Chinese,

BTW. The ones used most commonly include Shatavari (wild asparagus

root - general hormone more estrogenic and very best lactation support

as well as female rejuv), ashwaghanda (grounding strength, lactation,

rejuvenation, calming,jatamamsi, bhrami, bacopa, shankapushpi and a

variety of wild yam (more progesterone precursor) among others.

www.toddcaldecott.com and Michael Tierra (planetary herbology) are

both westerners trained in western and oriental herbs hosting a wealth

of herbal info on their websites wherre you will find reference to

these commonly available " ayurvedic " herbs (anything could be

considered ayurvedically, that is).

 

My encouragement to contact an Ayurvedic physician is because 1)

Clara's excitement to find this info here and 2) of ayurveda's proven

ability to not just manage but heal the source cause, and teach us in

the process how to prevent in the future. Any of the women listed on

www.sacredwindow.com/resources.html in the first section who are with

Indian name are very qualified and deal with these things frequently,

also having the properties of each herb and food more in their

awareness for anxiety or each of the other types of PPmood disorders.

 

>The hair loss is just a result of the estrogen drop, normal for 6

>months after any birth, mom's adjust to the estrogen loss gradually.

Vicki - I am not schooled though I've heard it I don't remember - in

the hormonal dance in western terms here. The estrogen drop you refer

to is right after childbirth? Hair loss is not " Normal " , by my

training and experience. It is result of imbalances which can be

prevented and corrected both, the latter taking more time of course.

Ayurvedic has excellent support herbs for such including bhringaraj,

brahmi and ashwaghanda, although again it is best personally designed

formula.

 

> Anyway, Wendy is the one who would know about this stuff.

Thanks for posting this, Vicky. You will be glad to know I sent

another note to Wendy, I'd very much like to compare notes. Having

practical grounded backup is essential. The great gift of a more

allopathic approach is for crisis care, in my opinion an amazing

safety net.

Martha

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Martha, your article on milk is very good, understandable for the unlearned

in ayurvedic matters, and it is the kind of education that everyone will

have soon, as word gets out about pasteurized milk. Very timely and also

well written. I have already made it a practice to drink milk with a little

cardamon in it at night time. Vicky

 

----

 

Martha Oakes

04/25/05 18:20:16

ayurveda

Re: herbal/hair loss recommendations ayurvedic response

 

 

Hi My Dear Sisters and Brothers;

Here's some more thoughts from the AyurDoula.

 

> Sometimes a baby that size is hungry ...I sometimes have parents

...give the baby a little sugar water to avoid the cows proteins in

...formula til moms milk comes in.

The ayurvedic first approach here cannot be professionaly recommended

due to use of honey, but in India and Nepal a newborn is given just

enough honey and clarified butter mixed, to fit in middle of a baby's

palm, very little, but this not only nourishes with a slower sugar and

fat which gives lasting energy, but is considered Baby's first

immunization. Generally a thin piece of gold wire and/or calamus root

is rubbed thru it to add to that effect. There is concern here of

some botulism spores in honey. Yet this practice is thousands of

years old, used in nearly every household there! I wouldn't be

surprised it the toxic effects of cooked honey common here aren't part

of the story.

 

I'd like to invite everyone's review and Vicky/anyone!, your comments

of some ayurvedic considerations on proper use of cow's milk, an

article I have just written and posted on

www.sacredwindow.com/articles-Milk.html. It is not necessarily the

cow's milk proteins per se but how they are grown, prepared and

delivered which IS serious problem. I have seen a cow's milk formula

designed by a woman MD/ayurvedic practitioner used by a family

adopting a newborn; that baby was/is SO healthy! Not for every baby

in need, of course, and the common practice of homogenization seals

the deal that way.

 

>That probably kicked in your anxiety disorder, for which

> there might have been herbs, homeopathics, etc, You want to contact

>Holly Scholles who owns the Birthingway College of Midwifery in

>Portland. She knows an awful lot about herbs and grows them too.

IT would kick in any mother's anxiety! Especially severe when the

physiology is out of balance. These " mood disorders " do not have

their basis in thin air, but have to do with imbalances in the body

and nervous system, created much more quite severly by western dietary

and lifestyle practices in particular. It is very empowering to learn

how to take better care of ourselves and family, as well as our

community sisters!

 

Ayurvedic herbals are by my experience much more effective than the

western herbalist's options, and tastier as well than the Chinese,

BTW. The ones used most commonly include Shatavari (wild asparagus

root - general hormone more estrogenic and very best lactation support

as well as female rejuv), ashwaghanda (grounding strength, lactation,

rejuvenation, calming,jatamamsi, bhrami, bacopa, shankapushpi and a

variety of wild yam (more progesterone precursor) among others.

www.toddcaldecott.com and Michael Tierra (planetary herbology) are

both westerners trained in western and oriental herbs hosting a wealth

of herbal info on their websites wherre you will find reference to

these commonly available " ayurvedic " herbs (anything could be

considered ayurvedically, that is).

 

My encouragement to contact an Ayurvedic physician is because 1)

Clara's excitement to find this info here and 2) of ayurveda's proven

ability to not just manage but heal the source cause, and teach us in

the process how to prevent in the future. Any of the women listed on

www.sacredwindow.com/resources.html in the first section who are with

Indian name are very qualified and deal with these things frequently,

also having the properties of each herb and food more in their

awareness for anxiety or each of the other types of PPmood disorders.

 

>The hair loss is just a result of the estrogen drop, normal for 6

>months after any birth, mom's adjust to the estrogen loss gradually.

Vicki - I am not schooled though I've heard it I don't remember - in

the hormonal dance in western terms here. The estrogen drop you refer

to is right after childbirth? Hair loss is not " Normal " , by my

training and experience. It is result of imbalances which can be

prevented and corrected both, the latter taking more time of course.

Ayurvedic has excellent support herbs for such including bhringaraj,

brahmi and ashwaghanda, although again it is best personally designed

formula.

 

> Anyway, Wendy is the one who would know about this stuff.

Thanks for posting this, Vicky. You will be glad to know I sent

another note to Wendy, I'd very much like to compare notes. Having

practical grounded backup is essential. The great gift of a more

allopathic approach is for crisis care, in my opinion an amazing

safety net.

Martha

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Vicky,

You are WiseWoman with a strong backbone for sure, and I love you

dearly.

 

There is a difference too, between wishing and accepting these things

into our lives, from whatever pathways the unseen might also bring,

and often more powerfully, certainly more effortlessly than our own

ability to organize it The key is to write it down, I was told by

a spiritual intuitive this is more significant since 9/11 for some

mysterious reason, anyway, write what your heart's desires are, not

your head's ideas what/how, and then write that you now accept it

coming into your life, through Grace. Then we do the best we can in

that way and give the rest to the Divine. It is a powerful technique

for both self learning and for manifesting.

Warmly

Martha

[Guest guest]

I am going to do it, Martha. Thanks messenger!

 

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Martha Oakes

04/27/05 07:29:25

ayurveda

Re: herbal/hair loss recommendations ayurvedic response

 

 

Vicky,

You are WiseWoman with a strong backbone for sure, and I love you

dearly.

 

There is a difference too, between wishing and accepting these things

into our lives, from whatever pathways the unseen might also bring,

and often more powerfully, certainly more effortlessly than our own

ability to organize it The key is to write it down, I was told by

a spiritual intuitive this is more significant since 9/11 for some

mysterious reason, anyway, write what your heart's desires are, not

your head's ideas what/how, and then write that you now accept it

coming into your life, through Grace. Then we do the best we can in

that way and give the rest to the Divine. It is a powerful technique

for both self learning and for manifesting.

Warmly

Martha

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Martha,

 

This is SOOOO cool!!! I'm going to look at the ayurvedics in my area

and certainly go. We have a couple of Tierra's books but I wouldn't

even know where to really begin on my own.

 

Thank you, thank you!!!

 

Carla

 

ayurveda , " Martha Oakes " <martha@s...>

wrote:

>

> Hi My Dear Sisters and Brothers;

> Here's some more thoughts from the AyurDoula.

>

> > Sometimes a baby that size is hungry ...I sometimes have parents

> .give the baby a little sugar water to avoid the cows proteins in

> .formula til moms milk comes in.

> The ayurvedic first approach here cannot be professionaly recommended

> due to use of honey, but in India and Nepal a newborn is given just

> enough honey and clarified butter mixed, to fit in middle of a baby's

> palm, very little, but this not only nourishes with a slower sugar and

> fat which gives lasting energy, but is considered Baby's first

> immunization. Generally a thin piece of gold wire and/or calamus root

> is rubbed thru it to add to that effect. There is concern here of

> some botulism spores in honey. Yet this practice is thousands of

> years old, used in nearly every household there! I wouldn't be

> surprised it the toxic effects of cooked honey common here aren't part

> of the story.

>

> I'd like to invite everyone's review and Vicky/anyone!, your comments

> of some ayurvedic considerations on proper use of cow's milk, an

> article I have just written and posted on

> www.sacredwindow.com/articles-Milk.html. It is not necessarily the

> cow's milk proteins per se but how they are grown, prepared and

> delivered which IS serious problem. I have seen a cow's milk formula

> designed by a woman MD/ayurvedic practitioner used by a family

> adopting a newborn; that baby was/is SO healthy! Not for every baby

> in need, of course, and the common practice of homogenization seals

> the deal that way.

>

> >That probably kicked in your anxiety disorder, for which

> > there might have been herbs, homeopathics, etc, You want to contact

> >Holly Scholles who owns the Birthingway College of Midwifery in

> >Portland. She knows an awful lot about herbs and grows them too.

> IT would kick in any mother's anxiety! Especially severe when the

> physiology is out of balance. These " mood disorders " do not have

> their basis in thin air, but have to do with imbalances in the body

> and nervous system, created much more quite severly by western dietary

> and lifestyle practices in particular. It is very empowering to learn

> how to take better care of ourselves and family, as well as our

> community sisters!

>

> Ayurvedic herbals are by my experience much more effective than the

> western herbalist's options, and tastier as well than the Chinese,

> BTW. The ones used most commonly include Shatavari (wild asparagus

> root - general hormone more estrogenic and very best lactation support

> as well as female rejuv), ashwaghanda (grounding strength, lactation,

> rejuvenation, calming,jatamamsi, bhrami, bacopa, shankapushpi and a

> variety of wild yam (more progesterone precursor) among others.

> www.toddcaldecott.com and Michael Tierra (planetary herbology) are

> both westerners trained in western and oriental herbs hosting a wealth

> of herbal info on their websites wherre you will find reference to

> these commonly available " ayurvedic " herbs (anything could be

> considered ayurvedically, that is).

>

> My encouragement to contact an Ayurvedic physician is because 1)

> Clara's excitement to find this info here and 2) of ayurveda's proven

> ability to not just manage but heal the source cause, and teach us in

> the process how to prevent in the future. Any of the women listed on

> www.sacredwindow.com/resources.html in the first section who are with

> Indian name are very qualified and deal with these things frequently,

> also having the properties of each herb and food more in their

> awareness for anxiety or each of the other types of PPmood disorders.

>

> >The hair loss is just a result of the estrogen drop, normal for 6

> >months after any birth, mom's adjust to the estrogen loss gradually.

> Vicki - I am not schooled though I've heard it I don't remember - in

> the hormonal dance in western terms here. The estrogen drop you refer

> to is right after childbirth? Hair loss is not " Normal " , by my

> training and experience. It is result of imbalances which can be

> prevented and corrected both, the latter taking more time of course.

> Ayurvedic has excellent support herbs for such including bhringaraj,

> brahmi and ashwaghanda, although again it is best personally designed

> formula.

>

> > Anyway, Wendy is the one who would know about this stuff.

> Thanks for posting this, Vicky. You will be glad to know I sent

> another note to Wendy, I'd very much like to compare notes. Having

> practical grounded backup is essential. The great gift of a more

> allopathic approach is for crisis care, in my opinion an amazing

> safety net.

> Martha

[Guest guest]

Vicki,

 

I hear you on wanting more knowledge and you have way more than I!

LOL!!! My mom would have had a heart attack if I would have told her

I was having this baby at home. My 2nd baby was over 10lbs, too and

we live about 40 minutes from the nearest hospital.

 

I was determined to have it my way and as natural as possible with no

innoculations and eye ointment.

 

Carla

 

ayurveda , " Vicky York " <vmyork@s...>

wrote:

> I will check out your web site, Martha and give you my thoughts on

the milk.

> I am about to begin drinking raw milk myself, having only just recently

> found a source and looking forward to it.

> I wish I knew more about ayurvedic approaches to all these things, my

> comments come from my allopathic knowledge, which, as we all know,

is sadly

> lacking. Nearly all moms suffer from hair loss for months after

birth and a

> full 20% suffer from postpartum depression. And if I suggested even

a tiny

> amount of honey and a baby got botulism I would look like a fool.

But by the

> same token I am always saying I wish more women would deliver at

home and

> avoid the hospitals and yet the mothers are afraid of that one time

> something will go wrong because of their decision. I also wish i

had the

> money to go put myself into the hands of an ayurvedic practitioner

and see

> for myself how it works. And also to afford to learn all these ayurvedic

> terms and where to find the supplies. Big blank spot in my

knowledge. Ah, to

> be retired and free to travel and learn and immerse myself in completely

> different methods of practicing. Funny, just today I read that

someone said

> one must not put a wishbone where a backbone ought to be. hee hee.

> Vicky

>

> ----

>

> Martha Oakes

> 04/25/05 18:20:16

> ayurveda

> Re: herbal/hair loss recommendations ayurvedic response

>

>

> Hi My Dear Sisters and Brothers;

> Here's some more thoughts from the AyurDoula.

>

> > Sometimes a baby that size is hungry ...I sometimes have parents

> ..give the baby a little sugar water to avoid the cows proteins in

> ..formula til moms milk comes in.

> The ayurvedic first approach here cannot be professionaly recommended

> due to use of honey, but in India and Nepal a newborn is given just

> enough honey and clarified butter mixed, to fit in middle of a baby's

> palm, very little, but this not only nourishes with a slower sugar and

> fat which gives lasting energy, but is considered Baby's first

> immunization. Generally a thin piece of gold wire and/or calamus root

> is rubbed thru it to add to that effect. There is concern here of

> some botulism spores in honey. Yet this practice is thousands of

> years old, used in nearly every household there! I wouldn't be

> surprised it the toxic effects of cooked honey common here aren't part

> of the story.

>

> I'd like to invite everyone's review and Vicky/anyone!, your comments

> of some ayurvedic considerations on proper use of cow's milk, an

> article I have just written and posted on

> www.sacredwindow.com/articles-Milk.html. It is not necessarily the

> cow's milk proteins per se but how they are grown, prepared and

> delivered which IS serious problem. I have seen a cow's milk formula

> designed by a woman MD/ayurvedic practitioner used by a family

> adopting a newborn; that baby was/is SO healthy! Not for every baby

> in need, of course, and the common practice of homogenization seals

> the deal that way.

>

> >That probably kicked in your anxiety disorder, for which

> > there might have been herbs, homeopathics, etc, You want to contact

> >Holly Scholles who owns the Birthingway College of Midwifery in

> >Portland. She knows an awful lot about herbs and grows them too.

> IT would kick in any mother's anxiety! Especially severe when the

> physiology is out of balance. These " mood disorders " do not have

> their basis in thin air, but have to do with imbalances in the body

> and nervous system, created much more quite severly by western dietary

> and lifestyle practices in particular. It is very empowering to learn

> how to take better care of ourselves and family, as well as our

> community sisters!

>

> Ayurvedic herbals are by my experience much more effective than the

> western herbalist's options, and tastier as well than the Chinese,

> BTW. The ones used most commonly include Shatavari (wild asparagus

> root - general hormone more estrogenic and very best lactation support

> as well as female rejuv), ashwaghanda (grounding strength, lactation,

> rejuvenation, calming,jatamamsi, bhrami, bacopa, shankapushpi and a

> variety of wild yam (more progesterone precursor) among others.

> www.toddcaldecott.com and Michael Tierra (planetary herbology) are

> both westerners trained in western and oriental herbs hosting a wealth

> of herbal info on their websites wherre you will find reference to

> these commonly available " ayurvedic " herbs (anything could be

> considered ayurvedically, that is).

>

> My encouragement to contact an Ayurvedic physician is because 1)

> Clara's excitement to find this info here and 2) of ayurveda's proven

> ability to not just manage but heal the source cause, and teach us in

> the process how to prevent in the future. Any of the women listed on

> www.sacredwindow.com/resources.html in the first section who are with

> Indian name are very qualified and deal with these things frequently,

> also having the properties of each herb and food more in their

> awareness for anxiety or each of the other types of PPmood disorders.

>

> >The hair loss is just a result of the estrogen drop, normal for 6

> >months after any birth, mom's adjust to the estrogen loss gradually.

> Vicki - I am not schooled though I've heard it I don't remember - in

> the hormonal dance in western terms here. The estrogen drop you refer

> to is right after childbirth? Hair loss is not " Normal " , by my

> training and experience. It is result of imbalances which can be

> prevented and corrected both, the latter taking more time of course.

> Ayurvedic has excellent support herbs for such including bhringaraj,

> brahmi and ashwaghanda, although again it is best personally designed

> formula.

>

> > Anyway, Wendy is the one who would know about this stuff.

> Thanks for posting this, Vicky. You will be glad to know I sent

> another note to Wendy, I'd very much like to compare notes. Having

> practical grounded backup is essential. The great gift of a more

> allopathic approach is for crisis care, in my opinion an amazing

> safety net.

> Martha

>