vicky's handout

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Hi Vicky,

Would you be interested in sharing your handout???

I'd love a copy of it, thanks.

Rebecca

 

 

 

 

Meet the all-new My – Try it today!

 

 

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I don't have a handout on the computer, so I will have to type up one based

on all the handouts I have gathered. Let me give you a brief synopsis of the

standard treatments now among lactation consultants with a little of my own

opinion added.

 

You have to treat both the mom and babe.

Start with Gential violet 1% once a day for 4-7 days, no longer, it's in an

alcohol base and will ulcerate the baby's mouth eventually. Dip a Q-tip in

the stuff and let the baby suck on it, be sure and get the inner cheeks and

tongue. Then put the baby to the breast so moms nipples get a treatment too.

Boil all artificial nipples in water with vinegar added.

next add Dr. Jack Newman's all-purpose nipple ointment found in compounding

pharmacies. Get the ingredients off of his web site. Just type in Jack

Newman.

Next try Grapefruit seed extract 250 mg 3x a day orally by the mother. A

site with info about this stuff is www.nutriteam.com/gse.htm.

During this have mom eat lots of garlic and coconut oil and drink kefir,

probiotics, drop sugar, eat yogurt. expose nipples to sunlight, rinse them

with a vinegar solution. Next add fluconazole 400 mg loading dose to the

teatment, then 100 mg twice daily for at least 2 weeks, unti lthe mother is

pain free for a week.

During all this go ahead and take a supplement of high dose acidophilus 1

cap 2-3 times daily or BioK 1/2 a pot daily. Put on baby's tongue and mother

take orally too. Baby dose of fluconazole is 6 mg/kg loading, then 3

mg/kg/day as a single dose.

 

 

Vicky York, IBCLC, CPD

Postpartum Care Services

vmyork@spiritonecom

www.spiritone.com/~vmyork/

503.241.3668

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Rebecca Vann

01/13/05 17:34:56

perinatalayurveda

vicky's handout

 

Hi Vicky,

Would you be interested in sharing your handout???

I'd love a copy of it, thanks.

Rebecca

 

 

 

 

Meet the all-new My – Try it today!

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oops, we crossed in the mail sorta (I hadn't read your latest).

Thanks so much, Vicky, for taking the time. And good luck making

natural waves in your new job This sounds like a well tested

protocol and even though my instinct is to find one more natural, it

is such a debilitating experience for mothers they tend to want to

quit breastfeeding! So better to get them clear of the candida. If

it was me, I would be studying the dosages of essential oils, and

choosing ones less intense during the initial days unless I was a

kapha body type. I'm also wondering about a coconut/neem oil and

chamomile oil balm for the nipples, something like that.

 

OUtside of the perinatal circles I hear good successes for people

taking capsules I beleive it is 3X daily of oregano/thyme oils, or

Thieves blend oil, and other things which have worked. I know that

Roman Chamomile is also anticandida, and would be inclined to use this

with a little of a stronger one, and use muscle testing along with

doshic evaluations to determine dosage, with a willing client. Along

with the gentian violet. Anyone else have input here? I'd really

like to hear it, as the scary named products will send some moms into

a tizzy ...

Martha

[Guest guest]

Thanks for those suggestions, I would love to have a good tested ayurvedic

protocol for yeast. Even with these heavy duty drugs, it can take months to

get rid of it. So I would hate to take a lot of time trying this and that.

Vicky

 

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Martha Oakes

01/15/05 17:17:42

ayurveda

Re: vicky's handout

 

 

Oops, we crossed in the mail sorta (I hadn't read your latest).

Thanks so much, Vicky, for taking the time. And good luck making

natural waves in your new job This sounds like a well tested

protocol and even though my instinct is to find one more natural, it

is such a debilitating experience for mothers they tend to want to

quit breastfeeding! So better to get them clear of the candida. If

it was me, I would be studying the dosages of essential oils, and

choosing ones less intense during the initial days unless I was a

kapha body type. I'm also wondering about a coconut/neem oil and

chamomile oil balm for the nipples, something like that.

 

OUtside of the perinatal circles I hear good successes for people

taking capsules I beleive it is 3X daily of oregano/thyme oils, or

Thieves blend oil, and other things which have worked. I know that

Roman Chamomile is also anticandida, and would be inclined to use this

with a little of a stronger one, and use muscle testing along with

doshic evaluations to determine dosage, with a willing client. Along

with the gentian violet. Anyone else have input here? I'd really

like to hear it, as the scary named products will send some moms into

a tizzy ...

Martha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi all~

 

I had terrible candida in my nipples after my first son was born. I was on

Diflucan 200mg per day for 4 months, taking multivitamins, taking Vit C, taking

Garlic tablets, probiotics, etc. I gave up all sugars, all starches, all

vinegars, all condiments, all fruits and the list goes on. I didn't know of the

oils until eight months later. I suffered with it for about 4 months. It was

finally the Genetian Violet that kicked it out. BUT I wouldn't do any the

before mentioned things now (except for probiotics). The Genetian Violet was

terrible on my son's face~eating away at the skin. It would just rub off my

nipples onto his cheeks. He had no thrush at all. I also believe the Diflucan

hurt my liver although I never went and got tested.

 

I am still yeast sensitive and if I ate wrong for an extended amount of time

it would most definately flare back up. I enjoy fresh fruit everyday though

and don't have to worry about that effecting me. Coconut oil is very good

however, I used that for initial breast irritation after my second son was born

and he seemed bothered by the smell of it on my nipples. It must have been too

strong for him. I have recommended it to others though and it has worked

nicely for them. I know that the sense of smell is very strong in an infant and

it seemed to interfere with that. I think taking it internally may be better.

I have used Geranium essential oil for Mastitis prevention and this also is

good for candida.

 

The oils suggested for candida are Melaleuca alternifolia, Melissa (more

effective than lavender or rosemary), Eucalyptus citriodora, Patchouli, Oregano

(due to the carvacrol content), Cinnamon, Vetiver and Sandalwood as well as

Ylang Ylang, Juniper Berry and Lemongrass. This is from Clinical Aromatherapy

for

Pregnancy and Childbirth by Denise Tiran.

 

I hope this helps some!

Sandy

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oral fluconazole for ductal mammary candidosis typically is given in a

loading dose of 200-400 mg followed by 100-200mg/day for 14 to 28 days. And

they say half that dose is probably enough for many women. It's the oral med

preferred during lactation because of low milk levels and minimal toxicity.

However, it is an expensive med. Taken orally, all antifungal azoles may

cause asymptomatic elevations in liver function tests and many have

significant interactions with other drugs.

Grapefruit seed extract might have worked for you. Orally and directly on

the nipples. Other things to try are: glycerin based golden seal, caprylic

acid 2 caps twice a day, bifidus, vitamin A and zinc for immunity.. Rinse

bras with 1/4 c vinegar in laundry. After feeding rinse nipples with 1 t

white distilled vinegar in a cup of water. Wip0e babies bottom with same

solution. If your water is chlorinated, fill a pitcher with water and let it

sit for 12 hours lightly covered and the chlorine will be dissipated. The

chlorine may reduce some of the bacteria that you're trying to restore.Read

Homeopathy for Pregnancy, Birth and Babies First Year. Clean bra and bra

pads, boil breast pump parts. Garlic 2 cloves a day.

The gentian violet is based in alcohol and will ulcerate a baby's skin if

used long enough. Be sure to use 1/2 % only once per day for 3-7 days.

Vicky

 

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FITJUNKIE

01/15/05 22:37:13

ayurveda

Re: vicky's handout

 

Hi all~

 

I had terrible candida in my nipples after my first son was born. I was on

Diflucan 200mg per day for 4 months, taking multivitamins, taking Vit C,

taking

Garlic tablets, probiotics, etc. I gave up all sugars, all starches, all

vinegars, all condiments, all fruits and the list goes on. I didn't know of

the

oils until eight months later. I suffered with it for about 4 months. It

was

finally the Genetian Violet that kicked it out. BUT I wouldn't do any the

before mentioned things now (except for probiotics). The Genetian Violet

was

terrible on my son's face~eating away at the skin. It would just rub off my

nipples onto his cheeks. He had no thrush at all. I also believe the

Diflucan

hurt my liver although I never went and got tested.

 

I am still yeast sensitive and if I ate wrong for an extended amount of time

it would most definately flare back up. I enjoy fresh fruit everyday though

and don't have to worry about that effecting me. Coconut oil is very good

however, I used that for initial breast irritation after my second son was

born

and he seemed bothered by the smell of it on my nipples. It must have been

too

strong for him. I have recommended it to others though and it has worked

nicely for them. I know that the sense of smell is very strong in an infant

and

it seemed to interfere with that. I think taking it internally may be

better.

I have used Geranium essential oil for Mastitis prevention and this also is

good for candida.

 

The oils suggested for candida are Melaleuca alternifolia, Melissa (more

effective than lavender or rosemary), Eucalyptus citriodora, Patchouli,

Oregano

(due to the carvacrol content), Cinnamon, Vetiver and Sandalwood as well as

Ylang Ylang, Juniper Berry and Lemongrass. This is from Clinical

Aromatherapy for

Pregnancy and Childbirth by Denise Tiran.

 

I hope this helps some!

Sandy

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sandy;

 

Thanks very much for this information. I have not searched the forums

where this information would be also found, have you? Please share

what you know about dosages, topical/oral, dilutions, frequency, and

quality reminders?

 

If anyone knows even some ayurvedic protocols, the opportunity exists

as we share together to create a really comprehensive one combining

the best of all with when to choose what options. It will be valuable

to discuss doshic factors on the use of the oils and I invite all my

students to put in their understanding, once we have the use protocol

basics on the table.

 

Martha

[Guest guest]

Also, when people send their suggestions, maybe we should be sending our

reference resources. here are some of mine:

Lactation Consultant Series

Lactation Specialists Education Dept of LLLI

 

Utter AR: Gential violet and thrush (letter) Journal of Human Lactation 8:6,

1992

Riordan J, Auerbach KG: Candidiasis/thrush, pp 384-387 in Riordan J,

Auerbach KG, Eds:Breastfeeding and human lactation, Boston: Jones and

Bartlett, 1993

 

Kay Hoover, M Ed, IBCLC, 613 Yale Avenue, Morton, PA 19070-1922 khoover@icdc

com

 

Pat Gima's Yeast Treatment Plan http://users.erols.com/cindyrn/yeast.htm

 

Vicky York, IBCLC, CPD

Postpartum Care Services

vmyork@spiritonecom

www.spiritone.com/~vmyork/

503.241.3668

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Martha Oakes

01/16/05 18:01:05

ayurveda

Re: vicky's handout

 

 

Dear Sandy;

 

Thanks very much for this information. I have not searched the forums

where this information would be also found, have you? Please share

what you know about dosages, topical/oral, dilutions, frequency, and

quality reminders?

 

If anyone knows even some ayurvedic protocols, the opportunity exists

as we share together to create a really comprehensive one combining

the best of all with when to choose what options. It will be valuable

to discuss doshic factors on the use of the oils and I invite all my

students to put in their understanding, once we have the use protocol

basics on the table.

 

Martha