fats and oils

[Guest guest]

here are a few thoughts on fats and oils. i'm still recovering from cfs.

 

twelve years ago i got into the whole atkins diet scene. actually it was dr hl

newbold who was the leader of this diet maybe 50 years ago or so. he has many

books on the subject. i mainly ate meats and animal fat. my intestines began to

clean themselves. and over the years ive passed ongodly things from my colon and

small intestine. when i stay on this diet, stuff just keeps coming out. and its

been over twelve years. i'm sure everyone here knows the theory-- man is a

carnivore and carbs are not compatible with human chemistry. after 4 years on

this diet and having my fillings replaced, i began passing worms. this lasted

for 4 years. tons of worms, and other gunk from my colon.

 

this is just my own personal biochemistry. then other organs started to cleanse

themselves. lungs started getting a dry hacking cough which i had in my early

childhood, and my liver became congested. yes my liver could have been congested

from the animal fats, or rather cooked animal fat.

 

i then got into a diet called the primal diet as promoted by a man named aajonus

vonderplanitz. he has a good success rate with nasty diseases. he claims to have

cured himself of blood and one cancer. the main gist of his diet is raw meats

and raw animal fat. including lots of raw butter, raw cream and coconut cream

which you make yourself by juicing coconut meat. the meats and fats are balanced

with an equal amount of green juices.

 

this leads me to the next point about oils and fats. aajonus has classified the

raw fats in terms of how cleansing or how building they are. his view of

illness, which is in exact alignment with people like arnold ehret, is that all

illness is some form of natural cleansing. so if the body is cleansing too fast,

or breaking down too fast, he recommends saturated raw animal fats to buffer

this process. butter being the most gentle, then cream, then coconut cream. for

serious illnesses he doesnt recommend oils like olive or flax because he feels

that they cleanse too rapidly for a person to handle.

 

i have to admit that this is the only explanation which makes sense of my own

experiences with fats and oils. i always felt that i needed alot of them, but

that things like olive oil were too strong in a sense. my body would break down

too fast without the animal fats. supposedly i have a massive amount of mercury

poisoning

 

now for another perspective

 

last year i learned about the hulda clark liver flushes, which actually are a

folk remedy. i dont know the origin of them. i'm sure some people here are

familiar with them. you take epsom salts at night, and then drink olive oil

mixed with grapefruit juice to flush the liver of old bile and stones.

 

ive done many many of these flushes, and passed maybe a half gallon of stones so

far. the man that turned me onto the flushes told me that some people would have

trouble absorbing efa's if their livers were plugged. now that my liver is

clearing out, i can get by with alot less fats. althouh i do feel better and

look alot better when i eat lots of the raw saturated fats. but now i dont need

them to stay alive.

 

i thought this might be interesting information for some of the people who dont

do well with flax oil-- like me.

 

one other point about coconut oil. aajonus is adamant about oils not being

heated. and according to him there is no commercially available coconut oil that

hasnt been heated. so if you want raw coconut cream you have to make it

yourself. i think he comes from a purist point of view. but it makes sense to

me, that the highest quality product would have to be made by yourself or at

least someone who doesnt lie in order to make money-- which are most of the

people selling health products.

-

GiniKM

Gettingwell ; seveneasypeaces

Sunday, December 15, 2002 10:43 AM

Re: Natural health, posting, etc.was CORAL REEF CALCIUM

 

 

In a message dated 12/14/2002 11:30:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

seveneasypeaces writes:

 

> I've never even taken coral calcium. I thought I was helping answer the

> post about the sources of it. I'm new to this list and have spent 30 years

> studying laymen's nutrition for people and pets. Food is always the best

> answer. However, sometimes food sources of specific nutrients are

> beneficial. I can tell you that flax oil is rancid and/or goes rancid in

> the body because of its multiple bonds. I've been doing a lot of research

> on coconut oil. But I'm not sure if I'm allowed to discuss it.

> Nancy

 

Nancy, I too found your comment regarding flaxseed oil to be of interest. As

many of us have, I have read a lot about the value of flax oil, so it is with

trepidation that I report anything negative about it.

 

For the past 6 years, I have been very interested in and involved in

nutritional treatments for those who have Down syndrome, specifically the use

of targeted nutritional intervention (TNI) for those with DS. About 5 years

ago, it was recommended that, as part of a TNI protocol, flax oil be taken as

a source of EFA's. However, as (usually) mothers reported more and more

often that the flax oil seemed to become rancid in a very short period of

time (short meaning within a week of opening the bottle), the recommendation

was changed from using flax oil (and that part of the protocol continues to

be changed, but that is a totally different topic!).

 

Now, this is the part that I hesitate to report, mostly because people want

to believe what they want to believe and also because the following is not in

any way a bonifide scientific experiment. So take it as you will.

 

One of the scientific team who has worked on the TNI protocol from the

beginning is David H. Swenson, Ph.D., H.H. Dow Professor of Chemistry

(Saginaw MI). When parents from all different regions of the country (US)

began reporting problems with the flax oil, Dr. Swenson and one (or more?) of

his graduate students did their own look-see at flax oil and how quickly it

would become rancid. He purchased flax oil from various sources. It has

been quite a number of years since this was done, but I have it in my head

that he got somewhere between 12 and 15 bottles. And yes, dates on the

bottles were always checked, indicating that the flax oil " should " have been

good. Sometimes the flax oil (sealed of course) would be in the store

refrigerated and sometimes not. He tested the oil upon opening it and then

at various intervals after that, keeping it refrigerated and then also in the

freezer. The news was not good.

 

In some cases, the flax oil was already rancid when opened, even though the

product expiration date was not near. In all other cases, the flax oil

stayed useable for a very short period of time, not going beyond a few days.

Freezing it made no difference.

 

This was one scientist's findings in, what was then, an impromptu search for

finding answers to a specific issue (finding a good source of EFA's for kids

with DS). But, the man has a Ph.D. in chemistry and he knows how to test the

oil, so..... And, he had no ax to grind one way or another on the use of

flax oil.

 

As I said earlier, take this as you will. It is not meant as being

inflammatory in the least and I am not trying to ignite a debate on the

usefulness of flax oil - not to be confused with flaxSEED which, as far as I

know, there is NO problem with rapid rancidity.

 

respectfully,

Gini

 

 

[Guest guest]

SURE BEATS ALL I EVER HEARD

 

-

" arthur luckower " <aluckower

 

Monday, February 01, 1988 3:05 PM

fats and oils

 

 

> here are a few thoughts on fats and oils. i'm still recovering from cfs.

>

> twelve years ago i got into the whole atkins diet scene. actually it was

dr hl newbold who was the leader of this diet maybe 50 years ago or so. he

has many books on the subject. i mainly ate meats and animal fat. my

intestines began to clean themselves. and over the years ive passed ongodly

things from my colon and small intestine. when i stay on this diet, stuff

just keeps coming out. and its been over twelve years. i'm sure everyone

here knows the theory-- man is a carnivore and carbs are not compatible with

human chemistry. after 4 years on this diet and having my fillings replaced,

i began passing worms. this lasted for 4 years. tons of worms, and other

gunk from my colon.

>

> this is just my own personal biochemistry. then other organs started to

cleanse themselves. lungs started getting a dry hacking cough which i had in

my early childhood, and my liver became congested. yes my liver could have

been congested from the animal fats, or rather cooked animal fat.

>

> i then got into a diet called the primal diet as promoted by a man named

aajonus vonderplanitz. he has a good success rate with nasty diseases. he

claims to have cured himself of blood and one cancer. the main gist of his

diet is raw meats and raw animal fat. including lots of raw butter, raw

cream and coconut cream which you make yourself by juicing coconut meat. the

meats and fats are balanced with an equal amount of green juices.

>

> this leads me to the next point about oils and fats. aajonus has

classified the raw fats in terms of how cleansing or how building they are.

his view of illness, which is in exact alignment with people like arnold

ehret, is that all illness is some form of natural cleansing. so if the body

is cleansing too fast, or breaking down too fast, he recommends saturated

raw animal fats to buffer this process. butter being the most gentle, then

cream, then coconut cream. for serious illnesses he doesnt recommend oils

like olive or flax because he feels that they cleanse too rapidly for a

person to handle.

>

> i have to admit that this is the only explanation which makes sense of my

own experiences with fats and oils. i always felt that i needed alot of

them, but that things like olive oil were too strong in a sense. my body

would break down too fast without the animal fats. supposedly i have a

massive amount of mercury poisoning

>

> now for another perspective

>

> last year i learned about the hulda clark liver flushes, which actually

are a folk remedy. i dont know the origin of them. i'm sure some people here

are familiar with them. you take epsom salts at night, and then drink olive

oil mixed with grapefruit juice to flush the liver of old bile and stones.

>

> ive done many many of these flushes, and passed maybe a half gallon of

stones so far. the man that turned me onto the flushes told me that some

people would have trouble absorbing efa's if their livers were plugged. now

that my liver is clearing out, i can get by with alot less fats. althouh i

do feel better and look alot better when i eat lots of the raw saturated

fats. but now i dont need them to stay alive.

>

> i thought this might be interesting information for some of the people who

dont do well with flax oil-- like me.

>

> one other point about coconut oil. aajonus is adamant about oils not being

heated. and according to him there is no commercially available coconut oil

that hasnt been heated. so if you want raw coconut cream you have to make it

yourself. i think he comes from a purist point of view. but it makes sense

to me, that the highest quality product would have to be made by yourself or

at least someone who doesnt lie in order to make money-- which are most of

the people selling health products.

> -

> GiniKM

> Gettingwell ; seveneasypeaces

> Sunday, December 15, 2002 10:43 AM

> Re: Natural health, posting, etc.was CORAL REEF

CALCIUM

>

>

> In a message dated 12/14/2002 11:30:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> seveneasypeaces writes:

>

> > I've never even taken coral calcium. I thought I was helping answer

the

> > post about the sources of it. I'm new to this list and have spent 30

years

> > studying laymen's nutrition for people and pets. Food is always the

best

> > answer. However, sometimes food sources of specific nutrients are

> > beneficial. I can tell you that flax oil is rancid and/or goes rancid

in

> > the body because of its multiple bonds. I've been doing a lot of

research

> > on coconut oil. But I'm not sure if I'm allowed to discuss it.

> > Nancy

>

> Nancy, I too found your comment regarding flaxseed oil to be of

interest. As

> many of us have, I have read a lot about the value of flax oil, so it is

with

> trepidation that I report anything negative about it.

>

> For the past 6 years, I have been very interested in and involved in

> nutritional treatments for those who have Down syndrome, specifically

the use

> of targeted nutritional intervention (TNI) for those with DS. About 5

years

> ago, it was recommended that, as part of a TNI protocol, flax oil be

taken as

> a source of EFA's. However, as (usually) mothers reported more and more

> often that the flax oil seemed to become rancid in a very short period

of

> time (short meaning within a week of opening the bottle), the

recommendation

> was changed from using flax oil (and that part of the protocol continues

to

> be changed, but that is a totally different topic!).

>

> Now, this is the part that I hesitate to report, mostly because people

want

> to believe what they want to believe and also because the following is

not in

> any way a bonifide scientific experiment. So take it as you will.

>

> One of the scientific team who has worked on the TNI protocol from the

> beginning is David H. Swenson, Ph.D., H.H. Dow Professor of Chemistry

> (Saginaw MI). When parents from all different regions of the country

(US)

> began reporting problems with the flax oil, Dr. Swenson and one (or

more?) of

> his graduate students did their own look-see at flax oil and how quickly

it

> would become rancid. He purchased flax oil from various sources. It

has

> been quite a number of years since this was done, but I have it in my

head

> that he got somewhere between 12 and 15 bottles. And yes, dates on the

> bottles were always checked, indicating that the flax oil " should " have

been

> good. Sometimes the flax oil (sealed of course) would be in the store

> refrigerated and sometimes not. He tested the oil upon opening it and

then

> at various intervals after that, keeping it refrigerated and then also

in the

> freezer. The news was not good.

>

> In some cases, the flax oil was already rancid when opened, even though

the

> product expiration date was not near. In all other cases, the flax oil

> stayed useable for a very short period of time, not going beyond a few

days.

> Freezing it made no difference.

>

> This was one scientist's findings in, what was then, an impromptu search

for

> finding answers to a specific issue (finding a good source of EFA's for

kids

> with DS). But, the man has a Ph.D. in chemistry and he knows how to

test the

> oil, so..... And, he had no ax to grind one way or another on the use

of

> flax oil.

>

> As I said earlier, take this as you will. It is not meant as being

> inflammatory in the least and I am not trying to ignite a debate on the

> usefulness of flax oil - not to be confused with flaxSEED which, as far

as I

> know, there is NO problem with rapid rancidity.

>

> respectfully,

> Gini

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<snip>

> my intestines began to clean themselves. and over the

> years ive passed ongodly things from my colon and small

> intestine. when i stay on this diet, stuff just keeps

> coming out. and its been over twelve years.

 

<snip>

> after 4 years on this diet and having my fillings

> replaced, i began passing worms. this lasted for 4

> years. tons of worms, and other gunk from my colon.

 

Hey, I've had my filling replaced and

one of the adventures I get to go through periodically because I have

ulcerative colitis is a colonoscopy.

Granted the MDs make me go through a process to flush all the contents

out of my colon before the ordeal

 

but everything I've ever read about stuff being stuck in folks' colon

for years ... what a let down I've had.

 

Aside from big areas of ulceration from the genetic influenced

auto-immune disorder, my colon has always looks clean as a whistle as

we made the video tape (and no. They won't give me a copy of the video

tape, only a couple stills); no cool looking creepy worms or nothing,

not even a stuck corn kernel.

Do you think my little guys might be hiding farther up stream in the

small intestine?

 

Penel