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Dear Nancy,

I wrote a very long response to this post, but it was lost due to having to re

sign in with .

Basically it said that I do not consider this information as in any way or in

the least as answers to my 2 questions.

1. the inflamatory statement that :

" I can tell you that flax oil is rancid and/or goes rancid in the body because

of its multiple bonds. "

 

This statement is so false that I consider it laughable. If you mean, will it go

rancid.. the answer is yes, as most real foods will spoil. The multiple bonds

are what makes it so desirable.

 

We want foods that are live and they do spoil. We can make foods that do not

spoil but most are not very good for us..

 

2. The question on what amounts of essential fatty acids are present in cocnut

oil.

If you cannot or will not tell me about the essential fatty acids present in

coconut oil, then I will tell you.

There are almost no, I repeat no (almost zero) essential fatty acids in coconut

oil. That is one of it's biggest drawbacks.

Essential fatty acids are a big problem for the average consumer to obtain in

his diet now. That is why fish oil, flax, etc have become so popular.

Does coconut have some benefits and uses. In my opinion yes, but I don't

consider coconut the answer to most of the oil problems although if used in

limited quatities or for a very specific purpose it can be quite beneficial.

I notice that you did not include Udo Erasmus anywhere in your links or article.

He is probably the very best source for information on oils/fats available to

everyone except scientists in that field. We have a link to his site on our

links page.

I have great respect for Mary Enig and her many years of research. I would like

very much to have a link to her if I could find a web page. She has some very

good books out though.

We also have a link to the Weston Price page that you cited somewhere.

The offending link that I took out, I consider a prime example of very biased

factiod type information solely designed to turn a reader into a buyer. This a

non commercial group and we are not here to be spammed by anyone.

When information like yours or some web sites are composed of little bits of

" truth " extracted from much larger whole studies and re put back together in a

manner designed to tell only partial truths or comes to the wrong conclusion

than the results of the original, I consider it complete misdirection and cannot

consider them further as any source for information for anything.

There was much more, but I cannot recreate it or do not want to.

Anyway, I consider your posts prime examples of what I was just writing against.

That most informationm available on the net, TV, or whatever is slanted to

achieve commercial ends and not to promote whole truth.

regards,

Frank

 

Re: Re: Natural health, posting, etc.was CORAL REEF

CALCIUM

Gettingwell

Rain Water

 

 

They most certainly are. I notice that you removed the one link that contains

much of the research. I'll put it back into this post. I don't have time to find

anymore of this research right now but since when is telling the truth about a

food inflamatory.

It's important to have variety and in the variety protective cofactors are

plentiful. The lauric acid in coconut oil helps the body keep and use its

calcium. The tropical peoples had very beautiful bones and teeth and that didn't

change until they started eating a western diet. Traditionally they ate coconut

at all three of their meals.

I have much respect for Dr. Budwig and she first made us aware of the importance

of fats in the diet. Her formula includes the German cheese for protein which

may contain important cofactors. People are unknowingy taking previously

prepared rancid oils now. Our healths are not improving, thyroid problems are

epidemic. Maybe we need to look at more traditional ways of eating. (like eating

soy only in fermented forms and in the amounts traditionally eaten by Asians). I

had trouble with this info when I first learned it too but it also explained so

much, like why I felt like crap when I took flax oil. If you have an asian store

nearby take a look at their coconut oil and consider trying it.

Coconut oil does not require the pancreas to be digested, it goes directly to

the liver and is burned as energy rather than combined with proteins into

lipoproteins which must either be burned or stored. Flax requires the pancreas

in order to be digested which may be why diabetics can have problems with it.

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***************** {The offending link was once more removed because I consider

it a prime example of slanted misinformation designed solely for commercial

purposes to induce a person to buy with factiods vs, facts.)

 

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Coconut Oil - Why It Is Good For You

By Lita Lee

12/14/2001

In this article, fats and oils are used interchangeably but in a strict sense,

oil usually means liquid at room temperature and fat usually means solid at room

temperature. However, coconut oil is solid at temperatures under 76 degrees F.

So if you live at temperatures of 76 degrees F or more, coconut oil is liquid;

if less than 76 degrees F, coconut oil is a fat.

 

 

Saturated fat - one that has a small degree of unsaturation or double bonds and

tends to be more solid at room temperatures lower than 76 degrees F. Example:

butter, coconut oil.

 

 

Monounsaturated oil - Contains some saturated fat but is largely oleic acid, a

mono-unsaturated oil, which contains only one double bond. Example: Olive oil.

Polyunsaturated oils - poly means many, so this means that the fat has more than

one double bond. Example: linoleic (omega-6) acid has two double bonds;

alpha-linolenic (omega-3) acid has three double bonds; arachidonic acid has four

double bonds.

 

 

The following information comes from the research of Ray Peat, Ph.D. and Mary G.

Enig, Ph.D. References are given where applicable.

I

 

recommend only three types of fats to my clients: extra virgin olive oil,

organic or, preferably raw butter, and organic coconut oil. Most people

understand the first two but cringe at the thought of eating coconut oil. Here’s

why I recommend coconut oil to everyone.

 

 

Coconut oil has been used as cooking oil for thousands of years. Popular

cookbooks advertised it at the end of the 19th century. Then came the

anti-saturated fat campaign and the promotion of polyunsaturated fats, such as

flaxseed, canola, soybean, safflower, corn, and other seed and nut oils plus

their partially hydrogenated counterparts (margarine, " I can’t believe it’s not

butter " , etc.) as the way to go. Indeed, saturated fats have been supposedly

causally linked to high cholesterol and heart disease, multiple sclerosis and

other bad health conditions. I don’t know how anyone came to this conclusion,

since it would be hard to find a person in America who has a high saturated fat

diet. Why? Because nearly all commercial foods, including bread, crackers,

chips, dips, many candies, zero cholesterol coffee creamers, all mayonnaise and

all salad dressings, many pastries and ice creams, most dietetic (for weight

loss or diabetes) " foods " , many cereals, and nearly all crunchy snacks contain

either polyunsaturated or partially hydrogenated fats (which contain some

margarine and some of the unsaturated fat mixed together). These foods are often

advertised as healthy " all vegetarian, " " no-cholesterol " foods. Even the

so-called saturated fat in commercial meat is partly unsaturated because most

cows are fed corn and soybeans, both of which contain unsaturated oils.

 

 

Are there any people who live on saturated fats who are healthy? Yes! People who

live in tropical climates and who have a diet high in coconut oil are healthier,

have less heart disease, cancer, colon problems and so on, than unsaturated fat

eaters. Two such groups of people include those from Melanesia and the Yucatan.

These people are slightly hyperthyroid because of the thyroid stimulating

effects of coconut oil plus a diet which includes protein (fish) and adequate

fruit (stimulates thyroid function).

 

 

Can you eat unsaturated fats and get away with it? It all depends. The Eskimos

ate cold-water fish, high in unsaturated oils BUT they also ate the whole

animal, including the animal head, brain, thyroid glands, etc. and got the

hormones from these glandulars. This caused them to become hyperthyroid, 25%

higher than Americans, and they were classified as " pathologically hyperthyroid "

by standard medical definition.

 

 

However, this so-called pathological condition allowed them to burn the

unsaturated fats in the foods they ate. If you are not an Eskimo and eat mainly

an unsaturated fat diet, you may be in trouble.

 

 

Now you know why I wonder how anyone can associate high cholesterol or saturated

fats with heart disease, multiple sclerosis or any disease. Over the past 40

years, Americans have increased their consumption of unsaturated fats and

partially hydrogenated fats and have decreased their consumption of saturated

fatty acids and butter. Lauric acid, the major fatty acid in coconut oil and

breast milk, is rarely present in the American diet. Yet saturated fats are

still being called the health culprits while grocery stores abound with many

kinds of seed and nut oils. Many have been told that if the unsaturated oil is

unprocessed, it is safe. This is untrue. The harmful effects of unsaturated oil

lie in their unsaturation, or the presence of many double bonds, which are very

labile and easily peroxidized (become rancid inside the body). Details of this

are given in the report on unsaturated oils.

 

 

Here is a summary of the health benefits of coconut oil. In general, coconut oil

stimulates thyroid function and has wonderful antiseptic properties.

 

The stability of coconut oil

Unsaturated oils in cooked foods become rancid in just a few hours, even in the

refrigerator, one reason for the " stale " taste of leftovers. However, according

to Peat, eating fresh unsaturated fats is even worse, because once inside the

body, they will oxidize (turn rancid) very rapidly due to being heated and mixed

with oxygen. Not so with coconut oil. Even after one year at room temperature,

coconut oil shows no evidence of rancidity even though it contains 9% linoleic

(omega - 6) polyunsaturated acid. Peat theorizes that coconut oil may have

antioxidant properties, since the oil doesn’t turn rancid and since it reduces

our need for vitamin E, whereas unsaturated oils deplete vitamin E.

 

Thyroid-stimulating, anti-aging effects of Coconut Oil

Many researchers have reported that coconut oil lowers cholesterol (Blackburn et

al 1988, Ahrens and colleagues, 1957). In 1981, Prior et al. showed that

islanders with a diet high in coconut oil showed no harmful health effects. When

these groups migrated to New Zealand and lowered their daily coconut oil intake,

their total cholesterol and especially their LDL cholesterol - the so-called

evil one - increased. The cholesterol-lowering properties of coconut oil are a

direct result of its ability to stimulate thyroid function. In the presence of

adequate thyroid hormone, cholesterol (specifically LDL-cholesterol) is

converted by enzymatic processes to the vitally necessary anti-aging steroids,

pregnenolone, progesterone and DHEA. These substances are required to help

prevent heart disease, senility, obesity, cancer and other diseases associated

with aging and chronic degenerative diseases.

 

Weight loss stimulating properties of coconut oil - a direct result of thyroid

stimulation

 

 

In the 1940’s farmers tried coconut oil to fatten their animals but discovered

that it made them lean and active and increased their appetite. Whoops! Then

they tried an anti-thyroid drug. It made the livestock fat with less food but

was found to be a carcinogen (cancer causing drug). In the late 1940’s, it was

found that the same anti-thyroid effect could be achieved by simply feeding

animals soybeans and corn.

 

 

Anti-cancer effects of coconut oil

In 1987 Lim-Sylianco published a 50-year literature review showing the

anti-cancer effects of coconut oil. In chemically induced cancers of the colon

and breast, coconut oil was by far more protective than unsaturated oils. For

example 32% of corn oil eaters got colon cancer whereas only 3% of coconut oil

eaters got the cancer. Animals fed unsaturated oils had more tumors. This shows

the thyroid-suppressive and hence, immuno-suppressive effect of unsaturated

oils. (Cohen et al. 1986).

 

 

When Albert Schweitzer operated his clinic in tropical Africa, he said that it

was many years before he saw a single case of cancer. He believed that the

appearance of cancer was caused by introduction of the European diet to the

Africans. Many studies since the 1920’s have shown an association between

consumption of unsaturated oils and the incidence of cancer.

 

Antimicrobial (antiseptic) effects of coconut oil

Coconut oil contains medium chain fatty acids such as lauric (C-12), caprylic

(C-10) and myristic (C-14) acids. Of these three, coconut oil contains 40%

lauric acid, which has the greater antiviral activity of these three fatty

acids. Lauric acid is so disease fighting that it is present in breast milk. The

body converts lauric acid to a fatty acid derivative (monolaurin), which is the

substance that protects infants from viral, bacterial or protozoal infections.

This was recognized and reported in 1966 (Jon Kabara). Work by Hierholzer and

Kabara (1982) showed that monolaurin has virucidal effects on RNA and DNA

viruses, which are surrounded by a lipid membrane. In addition to these RNA and

DNA viruses, in 1978, Kabara and others reported that certain medium chain fatty

acids, such as lauric acid have adverse effects on other pathogenic

microorganisms, including bacteria, yeast and fungi. These fatty acids and their

derivatives actually disrupt the lipid membranes of the organisms and thus

inactivate them (Isaacs and Thormar 1991; Isaacs et al. 1992). This deactivation

process also occurs in human and bovine milk when fatty acids are added to them

(Isaacs et al. 1991)....

 

 

References

Peat, Raymond, Ph.D., From PMS to Menopause: Female Hormones in Context, Chapter

29, page 175. Copyright 1997 by Raymond Peat, P.O. Box 5764, Eugene, OR 97405.

 

 

 

" califpacific " wrote:Dear Nancy,

 

This is not what your previous statements were on.

 

Rain Water wrote:

" I can tell you that flax oil is rancid and/or goes rancid in the

body because of its multiple bonds. "

 

 

If you are going to make inflamatory statements like this, I for one

would surely like to see what you are basing them on. Before you

expect me to discuss coconut oil or anything else, I expect the

subject to quit jumping from one subject to another with exclamations

and no indepth discussion.

 

So what are you basing the statement above on?

 

regards,

 

Frank

 

 

Gettingwell , Rain Water

wrote:

> Thank you Frank. I absolutely agree about the allopathic info,

after all this list is about getting well! I made a post and every

response to it appeared to be a lecture, some informative like yours

and others just plain ornery. Began to think I had stumbled onto the

wrong list.

> There are startling relevations about how the food oil industry has

given coconut oil terrible press. The reason: because it is

imported and they want us eating home grown oils. Heart used to be

the No.100 killer but now it is No. 1. The main difference has been

the unsaturated fats and transfatty acids we get now that our

ancestors did not get. Every " food " in cellophane will contain

these " fats. "

> The lauric acid in coconut fat (oil) is also found in mother's

milk. Even though we have been scared away from coconut oil it has

been being added to baby formulas and formulas for hospital feeding

of the very sick. It is time for the truth to get freed.

> A diet with a variety of food fats is critical. As a start here

are some sources of the suppressed research:

> http://www.mercola.com/2001/mar/24/coconut_oil.htm

>

> http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/28/coconut_health.htm

>

> http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/28/coconut_oil.htm

>

> http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/28/coconut_health2.htm

>

> http://www.westonaprice.org

>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/know_your_fats.html

>

> http://www.omeganutrition.com/articles-featured-resurgence.php

>

> http://www.lauric.org

>

> http://www.apcc.org.sg/

>

>

 

 

 

 

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