Natural health, posting, etc.was CORAL REEF CALCIUM

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Dear Group,

 

The great majority of illness is because of 3 reasons.

1. A defiency of some water, food (nutrient), sleep, air, etc.

2. A toxic substance poisoning the body from outside or inside.

3. A biological invader like viruses, bacteria, yeasts etc which can

in some cases cause #2 above.

 

Like all good wars the system is composed of things that defend

against an enemy and those that attack the enemy.

 

The body has many defenses to comabt or attack #2 or #3 above but can

be overwhelmed if the amount is to great for the body to handle or

not enough of #1 is present to disarm and neutrilize or attack the

enemy as #2 and #3 above.

 

This message is not to be all encompassing or comprehensive but is

aimed at trying to explain to people unfamiliar with natural healing

and is a generality and a very simplistic version so please bear with

me and not try and nit pick it to death.

 

Allopathic medicine is almost all attack and no defense and based on

the one drug one symptom rule. This is usually the magic bullet

theory or something like it, but with the the caveat " this is no

magic bullet " thrown in. These are designed to relieve (or attack)the

symptom so it almost seems like magic. Take one, and shazam see the

difference in the symptom.

 

If a person has a symptom (high blood pressure etc), then

that " symptom " is treated with a medicine NO MATTER WHAT THE CAUSE

that brought about the rise in blood pressure. This is a very

simplistic mechanical model of the body.

 

Almost all of the medicines involved are man made laboratory

chemicals which have never been known in nature and are usually quite

toxic in themselves because the body has much trouble breaking them

down and disposing of them. They usually also deplete the body of the

available nutrients and also block many of the bodies normal sytems

biochemicals, etc further imbalancing the system. I do not consider

them very good candidates for use on chronic diseases.

 

Allopathic medicine was used to treat most symptoms even the bodies

normal, natural, immune responses to illness. For many years up

untill the near present allopathic doctors gave medicine to even stop

fevers, diahrea, vomiting, etc. which was the bodies natural way of

making itself well.

 

Sometimes it is desirable to use allopathic means, such as anti-

biotics ( originally developed from a natural substance ...ie. molds)

to stop and kill invading bacteria, etc., but that will have to wait

for another subject due to space and time considerations.

 

Herbs are hard to define. Some are medicine and some are food and

some are both.

 

They are much preferable in most cases to allopathic drugs because

most are somewhat similiar biochemically to what our bodies were

designed to absorb, use, and detoxify from our natural enviournment.

A lot of these were probably included in our ancesters cave man style

diet. (Although as everyone knows, some plants and animals can be

horribly toxic [poisonous]too}. This too will have to wait till

another time. A lot of herbalogy has evolved into the more attack

mode vs defense as most defense items became food to be eaten

occaisonally in our ancestral diets.

 

There are other modalities of healing like acupuncture, the

electrical sytem within the body, the internal communication sytem

within the body, etc. These too will have to wait till later.

 

I would like to clarify some points about nutritional healing.

 

The body needs 50+ nutrients daily to live and be healthy.

 

They are classified as " essential " nutrients because they are

essential for life. We need other nutrients, but most can be made in

the body if enough essential nutrients and fuel are taken in to

provide the raw material to make them.

 

They are composed of vitamins, minerals, amino acids, fatty acids, etc

 

A deficiency of one or more of the essential nutrients will cause the

body to not be able to make the necessary biochemicals for health.

 

The result will be illness or eventually death. The organs will not

have enough of all of the thousands of different biochemical

substances to function properly. As a result, the illnesses can be

manifested in many many ways, depending on which organs are affected.

It all works like a seperate enviourmental ecosystem with one

depending on many and vice versa. If any one part is affected it will

effect other parts also. It can start out small and continue in a

domino effect. These symptoms can manifest themselves as diabetis,

heart trouble, cancer, blood pressure, etc.

 

When trying to understand the concept, don't think of the body as a

machine (allopathic medicine) but something growing and natural with

an ecosystem like a lake, river,ocean, rainforest etc. Some system

that is a living ecosytem with all of the parts working together to

have a healthy living thing. If one of the parts becomes ill, the

imbalace of the ecosytem is broken and the other parts suffer and die

too. They all rely on all of the other parts for the life cycles to

be sustained. The body is a very complex ecosystem in itself.

 

Our nutrients to run this ecosytem are dependent on what our body

takes in,... air, water, diet, supplements etc.

 

The liver manufactures thousands of biochemicals on a continous basis

for many body functions. Many other organs make biochemicals that

control many body functions. It is a very complex and precisely

balanced ecosystem.

 

It is not necessary to understand the functions and processes. The

ecosytem of our bodies does it automatically minute by minute and

second by second. It is much more complex than any machine devised by

man's mind.

 

It is not necessry to know how it works, but I suggest that you

surely better know what needs to go into it, so that it is allowed to

work properly and can work on correcting it's defects by using it's

own processes.

 

When we become ill and we try and regain our health, our simple

thinking tries to find a solution that we can understand. Also we are

products of our society in which almost all treatment of illness has

been the one illness, one medicine type process and thinking.

 

Economic considerations also come into play to skew our available

information. Most of our information that we take in is gleaned from

our surroundings in our daily life. When we are bombarded by

commercial interest information, whether it be from allopathic

sources (take this pill and live life, like the picture on TV), web

sites proclaiming to have a " magic bullet " (mine is the only one that

works) natural remedy, some planted " news " item that masquerades as

impartial news or some junk science to promote an economic interest.

All are usually b*ll s**t.

 

They aren't talking about your health, they are really talking about

their ecconomic health. This is area that you must learn about and be

able to seperate the wheat from the chaff or you will be chasing

rainbows forever as their will always be somone saying " I have a

better one " and once in a while it is true, but not usually.

 

So, learn about vitamins, aminos, oils, minerals, etc, to be able to

know somewhat what we are deficient in to regain health. If the

deficiency is long standing it make take a long time to correct it.

 

Learn what you as an individual needs to maintain health, as we are

all different, in what we need, in what amounts, etc. What my body

needs on a regular basis, is probably not what your biochemistry

needs to maintain health.

 

There is a huge difference in what nutrients are needed to barely

sustain life and what is needed to have good health in a normal

healthy body and another great difference in using nutrients in

theraputic qwuantities to cure the problem.

 

Learn about herbs to help the body fight against disease and be

supportive to ameliorating syptoms.

 

Learn about other natural methods like acupuncture etc.

 

You herb people learn about vitamins and vice versa. This group is so

that we all can broaden our scope. To a hammer everything looks like

a nail.

 

Learn about all of the modes of natural healing that you can and even

what allopathic medicine can offer in emergencies etc., but do the

basics above first. You must have a sound basis of nutrients before

any healing can take place.

 

But most of all change your thinking from the magic bullet thinking

to one of the ecosystem and have a very healthy scepticism towards

most health information because it is mainly driven by economic

interests first.

 

This list was not designed to give anyone an education in nutrition

or natural healing. It isn't possible and it isn't my responsibility.

It is your body and your resposibility. You are the one who has to

learn for you to get the benefits. This list is here to discuss the

elements of natural healing and their relative benefits and

shortcomings.

 

I have heard from people, who had the audacity to demand or order

what type of information they wanted here. If you want that

information here. I suggest you get off your duff, research it and

post it here. But you better research it till you know a little of

what you are really talking about.

 

Or the person can go someplace and be willing to pay for their

demands. There are naturopaths, othomolecular, herbalists,

acupunturists, etc, who are good health care sources of information

and treatments. In the main we are not health care providers and

cannot diagnose and treat illness. How effective would it be anyway?

 

The " Hey, put your affected body part up to the computer

scanner/monitor and let me diagnose you " with my very limited skills

and information doesn't seem like the best approach to me.

 

That is not to say that we don't have some very, very knowledgeable

people here who give a lot of help to others by sharing thier

knowledge. But they didn't get the bulk of their knowledge by basing

it solely on commercial information from ads in whatever form. There

are some here who I would trust for information very much and have

done so, in my personal journey to regain my health.

 

The price here is free, but it is given by asking, not by demand and

it is limited in what can take place in a group discussion situation.

If you are going to have health for most of your life, you will have

to learn to the point of being able to really decide for yourself

your health and disease issues and treatments and their relative

merits and drawbacks. Or at least have enough knowledge that you can

discern the value of the information that you get from other sources,

paid for or not.

 

Even here on this list, a lot of what passes for health information

is information derived from economic interest mainly sources and

usually biased as such. If you cut and paste from a commercial source

you should be knowledgeable enough about your subject to either

discuss it's merits also or be able to pick and choose from it's more

unbiased elements.

 

That is not to say that most posts here are thinly veiled spam to

personally promote their product, No, I'm saying that most people are

bombarded by information, designed to instill a bias in the reader or

listener, to affect the person's beliefs to the point, to purchase

that specific product. And we are only human aren't we? We are all

affected somewhat, no matter what.

 

The only way to counteract this, is to take in lots of hopefully

unbiased information also to give the person some balance.

 

For all of the people who want to learn from mainly unbiased sources,

start with our links page and work your way through those sites. For

a lot of people, this is not the solution that appeals to them. They

want a false, fantastical, " magic bullet " instead for every problem

or symptom.

 

This is not per se a moderated group. But is semi moderated,

somewhat. If it wasn't, we would be up to our eyeballs in spam. It is

a somewhat hit or miss system as time allows.

 

Also if you post something which is personal and not of interest to

the group, there is a good chance that it will not show up here. Use

an email to thank them. OK?

 

I disagree with a lot of what gets posted here, but I believe that

they have the right to post in most instances if they can discuss it

in a somewhat intelligent manner or it may have some interest in the

group. A one sentence reply " I use xyz " or somesuch is not

considered a somewhat intelligent post or of great interest to the

group.

 

Your free speech rights here are balanced by the group's needs. I

believe in free speach a lot, but that also might mean that you have

the freedom to go start your own group and say whatever it is that

you feel that you need to say.

 

just my 2 cents,

 

Frank

 

PS. I know that this posting is full of misspellings, punctuation

errors, syntax etc. I don't care, and if it cares to much to you, you

are missing the point anyway.

 

 

 

Gettingwell , Rain Water <seveneasypeaces>

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> I've been doing some research recently and found this. And a

friend said this about this product: If you know of anyone with

heartburn or acid reflux, you can advise with complete confidence

even in the most severe case that it will disappear and stay gone

with one cap per day. I do not have it nor do I even know what it is

like but have given a capsule on many occasions to people who do and

IS a magic bullet. Also if you ever come across an animal that is

lame like arthritis from age, if you test the saliva of that animal

and it is acidic, by giving coral calcium that animal (dogs in my

case) will rebound and once again become active. Stop the coral

calcium and he will quickly return to his original painful state.

Have been experimenting with this for some time now and it is

reliable. The worst heart burn people generally get complete relief

in 20 min or less.

> " Kenneth Noonan <comfort1967@w...> " <comfort1967@w...> wrote:This

calcium can either be harvested on earth or right from the reef.Most

have said coral from the ocean is better...newer

evidenceproovesotherwise. Dont pay 29.95 for a months supply. I

found outthat avitamin outlet called Sundown Vitamins sells the same

stufffor only10 bucks per month.It helps detoxify your body and helps

you sleep. It is 80%bioavailabe as opposed to " regular " calcium, even

citrate,at 3 to 10percent...what a waste.Oh I am new here and suffer

fromagorphobia...I NEED HELP...plussevere GAD.FRIENDS, Kenny OOPPSSS

thecompany calls themselves Puritan pride in case you do a web

search. I am not promoting any company just happen to see a real low

price Ibought 2 bottles and wated to share it.

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