Guest guest Posted December 9, 2002 Report Share Posted December 9, 2002 The following is about some posts and not an attack on any person. This is not necessarily about any particular or recent post condemning vaccinations as I find them mostly useless by way of ridiculous claims so that I don't often read past the first absurd statement. But at the moment I happen to have a minute and simply want to present my view of the situation. It seems that some who question Vaccinations apply more heat than light on the subject. To deny that Polio and Smallpox vaccines did not stop these diseases 50 years ago is an untenable position. Occasionally I meet someone over forty that has a damaged limb from Polio. To demand a vaccine that will not harm about 0.01 percent of the population is absurd. Aspirin hurts more than that! Now it has been said that many people in Israel have been given the new smallpox vaccine; yet there is nothing in the news telling how many have been harmed by it nor have I seen any post about harm done in Israel. Some seem not to remember that before measles and pertussis and Tetanus that the damage done by these diseases was extensive. Back then the State " Quarantined " homes. No visitors may enter. Now any thinking person is going to reject the whole argument of some of the obviously wild claims made sometimes on these lists because they ignore historical data or demand impossible levels of performance. So you who think you are promoting your cause- by wild statements--please realize that you are shooting your own foot. Some good could be done, by getting some vaccines changed, such as getting mercury out of them. But wild claims turn most thinking people away, and what do you find on the internet; mostly educated, articulate thinkers. Lorenzo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release 11/25/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2002 Report Share Posted December 9, 2002 Hi Lorenzo, I agree that it is a shame that it is difficult to have a reasoned debate on this issue as it is so important.... I agree with some of what you say but I think even the arguement you raise is only part of the problem. I confess I am tired of trying to discuss the need a for measles vaccine in the UK with people who insist on including the death rates in the third world as if they are relevent or pertinent .......tired of being attacked as a lunatic for questioning whether the vaccine schedule is now hopelessly overloaded ........ a little puzzled at the need for a chicken pox vaccine at all ! No vaccine is totally safe - and I don't expect it to be - every person is different and allergies and unexpected reactions are inevitable with any treatment . As for the measles quarantine - not in my house ! I grew up as one of eight children at a time ( not THAT long a go !!LOL!!) when parents had measles parties to " get it over with " . The only part of the treatment that involved quarentine was being kept out of sunlight to prevent damage to the eyes. This issue is too important for the point scoring I so often see and , as the mother of a child with severe disabilities as a result of a vaccination I wish there was less attacking and more discussing . Regards Deborah PS - if we are going to take the mercury out , could we take out the alluminium and the formaldyhyde too !!! -- In Gettingwell , " Lorenzo " <lorenzo1@w...> wrote: > > The following is about some posts and not an attack on any person. > > This is not necessarily about any particular or recent post condemning > vaccinations as I find them mostly useless by way of ridiculous claims so > that I don't often read past the first absurd statement. But at the moment > I happen to have a minute and simply want to present my view of the > situation. > > It seems that some who question Vaccinations apply more heat than light > on the subject. > > To deny that Polio and Smallpox vaccines did not stop these diseases 50 > years ago is an untenable position. Occasionally I meet someone over forty > that has a damaged limb from Polio. > > To demand a vaccine that will not harm about 0.01 percent of the population > is absurd. > > Aspirin hurts more than that! > > Now it has been said that many people in Israel have been given the new > smallpox vaccine; yet there is nothing in the news telling how many have > been harmed by it nor have I seen any post about harm done in Israel. > > Some seem not to remember that before measles and pertussis and Tetanus > that the damage done by these diseases was extensive. Back then the State > " Quarantined " homes. No visitors may enter. > > Now any thinking person is going to reject the whole argument of some of the > obviously wild claims made sometimes on these lists because they ignore > historical data or demand impossible levels of performance. > > So you who think you are promoting your cause- by wild statements-- please > realize that you are shooting your own foot. > > Some good could be done, by getting some vaccines changed, such as getting > mercury out of them. > > But wild claims turn most thinking people away, and what do you find on > the internet; mostly educated, articulate thinkers. > > Lorenzo > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release 11/25/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Hi Lorenzo, Well, My thinking goes something like this. If they lied to me about my food....and they lied to me about the benefits of western medicine....and they lied to me about vitamins....and they lied to me about the chemicals in my enviornment.......and they lied to me about a thousand other things. Should I believe them when they say " trust me " ? I want to know more and not just by the establishment, their record is horrible. kind regards, Frank Gettingwell , " Lorenzo " <lorenzo1@w...> wrote: > > The following is about some posts and not an attack on any person. > > This is not necessarily about any particular or recent post condemning > vaccinations as I find them mostly useless by way of ridiculous claims so > that I don't often read past the first absurd statement. But at the moment > I happen to have a minute and simply want to present my view of the > situation. > > It seems that some who question Vaccinations apply more heat than light > on the subject. > > To deny that Polio and Smallpox vaccines did not stop these diseases 50 > years ago is an untenable position. Occasionally I meet someone over forty > that has a damaged limb from Polio. > > To demand a vaccine that will not harm about 0.01 percent of the population > is absurd. > > Aspirin hurts more than that! > > Now it has been said that many people in Israel have been given the new > smallpox vaccine; yet there is nothing in the news telling how many have > been harmed by it nor have I seen any post about harm done in Israel. > > Some seem not to remember that before measles and pertussis and Tetanus > that the damage done by these diseases was extensive. Back then the State > " Quarantined " homes. No visitors may enter. > > Now any thinking person is going to reject the whole argument of some of the > obviously wild claims made sometimes on these lists because they ignore > historical data or demand impossible levels of performance. > > So you who think you are promoting your cause- by wild statements-- please > realize that you are shooting your own foot. > > Some good could be done, by getting some vaccines changed, such as getting > mercury out of them. > > But wild claims turn most thinking people away, and what do you find on > the internet; mostly educated, articulate thinkers. > > Lorenzo > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release 11/25/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Lorenzo wrote: > The following is about some posts and not an attack on any person. > > This is not necessarily about any particular or recent post condemning > vaccinations as I find them mostly useless by way of ridiculous claims so > that I don't often read past the first absurd statement. But at the moment > I happen to have a minute and simply want to present my view of the > situation. > > It seems that some who question Vaccinations apply more heat than light > on the subject. > > To deny that Polio and Smallpox vaccines did not stop these diseases 50 > years ago is an untenable position. Occasionally I meet someone over forty > that has a damaged limb from Polio. > > To demand a vaccine that will not harm about 0.01 percent of the population > is absurd. > > Aspirin hurts more than that! > > Now it has been said that many people in Israel have been given the new > smallpox vaccine; yet there is nothing in the news telling how many have > been harmed by it nor have I seen any post about harm done in Israel. > > Some seem not to remember that before measles and pertussis and Tetanus > that the damage done by these diseases was extensive. Back then the State > " Quarantined " homes. No visitors may enter. > > Now any thinking person is going to reject the whole argument of some of the > obviously wild claims made sometimes on these lists because they ignore > historical data or demand impossible levels of performance. > > So you who think you are promoting your cause- by wild statements--please > realize that you are shooting your own foot. > > Some good could be done, by getting some vaccines changed, such as getting > mercury out of them. > > But wild claims turn most thinking people away, and what do you find on > the internet; mostly educated, articulate thinkers. > > Lorenzo AMEN to all that! And please include the annual anti-flu vaccine as being a poential life saver. Morton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Me To Frank...And I will take my chances with the virus over the vacc....MM SpiriTalks Lists Directory: Address:http://www.topica.com/lists/health63hotmailcom/prefs/info.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 - califpacific <califpacific Gettingwell Monday, December 09, 2002 7:46 PM Re: Immunization and Quaranteen Frank, Seventy years ago, when I was a small child, I remember that there were several kids in the neighborhood that were hobbled by polio, and you could sense a nagging fear among the caring parents. That's gone now , thanks to Dr. Salk. When I started school, way back then, all the 5 and 6 year olds were required to have their smallpox innoculations before they could attend class. If there was widespread concern about this, I can't recall it. Do you know if there was something different about the vaccine they were using then? I agree with most of what you say about government and the pharma industry. I consider most levels of government to be totally incompetent, and drug companies to be the worst of all health hazards. Still, in spite of all this, sometimes good things happen. Les > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release 11/25/02 Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being. list or archives: Gettingwell ........ Gettingwell- post............. Gettingwell digest form...... Gettingwell-digest individual emails Gettingwell-normal no email......... Gettingwell-nomail moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner ...... Gettingwell- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 In a message dated 12/10/02 5:17:56 AM, Gettingwell writes: Debbie, << PS - if we are going to take the mercury out , could we take out the aluminium and the formaldyhyde too !!! >> HEADS UP! They may be telling you they took out the mercury and they would like you to think it is safer now. Do you know what they plan on using in place of the mercury, try ANTIFREEZE! Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 ---Hi Lorenzo Just had to put in my two Penn'orth on this. I think it depends on the person. Some pople react badly some do not. I have had many vaccines but apart from the odd sore arm no reaction. My mother had severe reactions to most vaccines from skin rashes to passing out. I had all the childhood vaccines with no problems in the 60's but the lad a few doors away from me (same age as myself) was brain damaged amd is severely disabled. It is imperative that people who know they react badly have the choice to say NO. Best wishes Chris Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Les , If you will forgive me, i think you are missing an important point - when the small pox vaccine was introduced what was the vaccination schedule ? I have a new baby and the current schedule for her is TWENTY TWO IMMUNISATIONS BEFORE SHE IS FOUR !!!!!!!! The individual jabs may be beneficial , may well be necessary and benign but the cumulative effect does not seem to be . The rates of autism , profound speech delay ,ADD/ADHD, apraxia , dyslexia , sids and epilepsy are reaching epedemic levels and this may have many causes but I don't think we can rule out vaccines - particularly not those containing thimerosal.The result of this explosion in what were always thought to be genetic conditions is catastrophic for society as well as the individuals. My sons care is estimated at about £1 million for his life time and his school is full with many children turned away . How will the health and social services cope when he and his peers reach adult hood - and when I am too old to care for him ? When we give many doses of triple vaccines before a child is four months old I think we have gone to far , when we vaccinate to a schedule that treats a premature child the same as a 10 lbs whopper I think the tail is wagging the dog . And when we vaccinate small girls against mumps and toddlers against chicken pox then I think we fail our children and loose sight of where the greater good lies . Regards Deborah Gettingwell , Les Johnson <lbrman@t...> wrote: > > - > califpacific <califpacific> > Gettingwell > Monday, December 09, 2002 7:46 PM > Re: Immunization and Quaranteen > Frank, > Seventy years ago, when I was a small child, I remember that there were several kids in the neighborhood that were hobbled by polio, and you could sense a nagging fear among the caring parents. That's gone now , thanks to Dr. Salk. > > When I started school, way back then, all the 5 and 6 year olds were required to have their smallpox innoculations before they could attend class. If there was widespread concern about this, I can't recall it. Do you know if there was something different about the vaccine they were using then? > > I agree with most of what you say about government and the pharma industry. I consider most levels of government to be totally incompetent, and drug companies to be the worst of all health hazards. Still, in spite of all this, sometimes good things happen. > > Les > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release 11/25/02 > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > list or archives: Gettingwell > > ........ Gettingwell- > post............. Gettingwell > digest form...... Gettingwell-digest > individual emails Gettingwell-normal > no email......... Gettingwell-nomail > moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner > ...... Gettingwell- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 HI " > AMEN to all that! And please include the annual anti-flu vaccine as being a poential life > saver. " Oh good - I'm glad this hasn't degenerated in to " vaccines good - no vaccines bad " then !! Regards Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Hi Jane , Thanks !!! LOL - with my history and a new baby I know more about the ingredients in these things than I ever thought I would - and certainly more than I ever wanted to !!! Wish I'd paid more attention in chemistry !!! regards Deborah Gettingwell , DaRocksMom@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/10/02 5:17:56 AM, Gettingwell writes: > > Debbie, > > << PS - if we are going to take the mercury out , could we take out the > > aluminium and the formaldyhyde too !!! >> > > > HEADS UP! > > They may be telling you they took out the mercury and they would like you to > think it is safer now. Do you know what they plan on using in place of the > mercury, try ANTIFREEZE! > > Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Very good point, Deborah. I agree that government should not require universal immunization, overrulling the will of the parents. The governments responsibility is to make sure that the vaccines are as safe as they can possibly be. Les - beaniesmum2001 <MONXYMOO Gettingwell Tuesday, December 10, 2002 4:07 AM Re: Immunization and Quaranteen Les , If you will forgive me, i think you are missing an important point - when the small pox vaccine was introduced what was the vaccination schedule ? I have a new baby and the current schedule for her is TWENTY TWO IMMUNISATIONS BEFORE SHE IS FOUR !!!!!!!! The individual jabs may be beneficial , may well be necessary and benign but the cumulative effect does not seem to be . The rates of autism , profound speech delay ,ADD/ADHD, apraxia , dyslexia , sids and epilepsy are reaching epedemic levels and this may have many causes but I don't think we can rule out vaccines - particularly not those containing thimerosal.The result of this explosion in what were always thought to be genetic conditions is catastrophic for society as well as the individuals. My sons care is estimated at about £1 million for his life time and his school is full with many children turned away . How will the health and social services cope when he and his peers reach adult hood - and when I am too old to care for him ? When we give many doses of triple vaccines before a child is four months old I think we have gone to far , when we vaccinate to a schedule that treats a premature child the same as a 10 lbs whopper I think the tail is wagging the dog . And when we vaccinate small girls against mumps and toddlers against chicken pox then I think we fail our children and loose sight of where the greater good lies . Regards Deborah Gettingwell , Les Johnson <lbrman@t...> wrote: > > - > califpacific <califpacific> > Gettingwell > Monday, December 09, 2002 7:46 PM > Re: Immunization and Quaranteen > Frank, > Seventy years ago, when I was a small child, I remember that there were several kids in the neighborhood that were hobbled by polio, and you could sense a nagging fear among the caring parents. That's gone now , thanks to Dr. Salk. > > When I started school, way back then, all the 5 and 6 year olds were required to have their smallpox innoculations before they could attend class. If there was widespread concern about this, I can't recall it. Do you know if there was something different about the vaccine they were using then? > > I agree with most of what you say about government and the pharma industry. I consider most levels of government to be totally incompetent, and drug companies to be the worst of all health hazards. Still, in spite of all this, sometimes good things happen. > > Les > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release 11/25/02 > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > list or archives: Gettingwell > > ........ Gettingwell- > post............. Gettingwell > digest form...... Gettingwell-digest > individual emails Gettingwell-normal > no email......... Gettingwell-nomail > moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner > ...... Gettingwell- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 -As a family involved in this " mess " ...let me say that most families are NOT against vaccines. Just safer ones. Spaced out. One at a time. And NOT starting the day they are born(hep b) unless the mother has hep b. They need time to build an immune system, that is strong and healthy. It is the cumulative number of vaccines that have been added, double,triple and more..given at one time that is the problem, along with the thimerosal and the number of new vaccines that have been added. There is NO reason for mercury to be in the vaccines. 5 more cents per vial is all it would cost to make them single dose. Mercury is a KNOWN neurotoxin, 2nd most toxic on the face of the earth. As far as small pox...we don't need an enemy, we are our own. We are taking a DX that no longer exists, first introducing it into the health care workers (who are working with ill people all day and are most vunerable) who will be possible contigious for 14 days into a population who, for the most part, have no immunity to this....it's not just the vaccine, it's the introduction of small pox that is an issue. There will be Autism hearings on C-span today at 1:00 EST, Dan Burton will be on Arron Brown's show on CNN tonight. Educate yourself. A genetic DX does NOT go from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 250 within a 10-15 year period. You can NOT have a genetic, epidemic. More than you wanted to know, but this is important to all.... Educate before you Vaccinate... www.safeminds.org www.vacinfo.org www.909shot.com (has list of thimerosal content and brands available without) www.vaccinationnews.com www.vaccineinfo.net www.vaclib.org www.thinktwice.com " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccineations " by Dr. Stephanie Cave and then...there's the aluminum, formaldehyde ....UGH!!!!! (aluminum and alzheimers - there is another issue!! -- In Gettingwell , " beaniesmum2001 <MONXYMOO@a...> " <MONXYMOO@a...> wrote: Hi Jane , > Thanks !!! > LOL - with my history and a new baby I know more about the > ingredients in these things than I ever thought I would - and > certainly more than I ever wanted to !!! > Wish I'd paid more attention in chemistry !!! > regards > Deborah > > > > Gettingwell , DaRocksMom@a... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 12/10/02 5:17:56 AM, Gettingwell > writes: > > > > Debbie, > > > > << PS - if we are going to take the mercury out , could we take out > the > > > > aluminium and the formaldyhyde too !!! >> > > > > > > HEADS UP! > > > > They may be telling you they took out the mercury and they would > like you to > > think it is safer now. Do you know what they plan on using in place > of the > > mercury, try ANTIFREEZE! > > > > Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Hi , sorry - did I miss something ? Was your post intended for me ? Your post reads as if you are explaining to me the stance of vaccine damaged families - and as if I have disagreed , or made some sort of pronouncement in that regard. I know you cannot have an epedemic of genetic conditions - that is why I said an epedemic of conditions " previously thought to be genetic " - what is happening to our kids is not genetic !! My last post was light " more than I wanted to know " was a joke !!- my previous two posts were not................................... - I have read everything there is to read on vaccines and chelation. I think you have misunderstood my post or not read any of my previous postings . LOL .....I didn't expect to get shouted at by someone from a similar stance as me - all those capitals !! - I feel like I should be standing in the corner !! Regards Deborah Gettingwell , " anagrammys <anagramy@b...> " <anagramy@b...> wrote: > -As a family involved in this " mess " ...let me say that most families > are NOT against vaccines. Just safer ones. Spaced out. One at a time. > And NOT starting the day they are born(hep b) unless the mother has > hep b. They need time to build an immune system, that is strong and > healthy. > It is the cumulative number of vaccines that have been added, > double,triple and more..given at one time that is the problem, along > with the thimerosal and the number of new vaccines that have been > added. > There is NO reason for mercury to be in the vaccines. 5 more cents > per vial is all it would cost to make them single dose. Mercury is a > KNOWN neurotoxin, 2nd most toxic on the face of the earth. > As far as small pox...we don't need an enemy, we are our own. We are > taking a DX that no longer exists, first introducing it into the > health care workers (who are working with ill people all day and are > most vunerable) who will be possible contigious for 14 days into a > population who, for the most part, have no immunity to this....it's > not just the vaccine, it's the introduction of small pox that is an > issue. > There will be Autism hearings on C-span today at 1:00 EST, Dan Burton > will be on Arron Brown's show on CNN tonight. Educate yourself. > A genetic DX does NOT go from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 250 within a 10- 15 > year period. You can NOT have a genetic, epidemic. > More than you wanted to know, but this is important to all.... > Educate before you Vaccinate... > www.safeminds.org > www.vacinfo.org www.909shot.com (has list of thimerosal content and > brands available without) www.vaccinationnews.com > www.vaccineinfo.net www.vaclib.org www.thinktwice.com > > " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccineations " by > Dr. Stephanie Cave > and then...there's the aluminum, formaldehyde ....UGH!!!!! > (aluminum and alzheimers - there is another issue!! > > -- In Gettingwell , " beaniesmum2001 <MONXYMOO@a...> " > <MONXYMOO@a...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jane , > > Thanks !!! > > LOL - with my history and a new baby I know more about the > > ingredients in these things than I ever thought I would - and > > certainly more than I ever wanted to !!! > > Wish I'd paid more attention in chemistry !!! > > regards > > Deborah > > > > > > > > Gettingwell , DaRocksMom@a... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 12/10/02 5:17:56 AM, > Gettingwell > > writes: > > > > > > Debbie, > > > > > > << PS - if we are going to take the mercury out , could we take > out > > the > > > > > > aluminium and the formaldyhyde too !!! >> > > > > > > > > > HEADS UP! > > > > > > They may be telling you they took out the mercury and they would > > like you to > > > think it is safer now. Do you know what they plan on using in > place > > of the > > > mercury, try ANTIFREEZE! > > > > > > Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 --I'm sorry if my message seemed harsh. It was not directed to you in particular, nor were my caps intended as shouting, simply for emphasis and out of frustration, I guess. I'm sorry if it read that way, or that you took it that way. - In Gettingwell , " beaniesmum2001 <MONXYMOO@a...> " <MONXYMOO@a...> wrote: > Hi , > sorry - did I miss something ? Was your post intended for me ? > Your post reads as if you are explaining to me the stance of vaccine > damaged families - and as if I have disagreed , or made some sort of > pronouncement in that regard. > I know you cannot have an epedemic of genetic conditions - that is > why I said an epedemic of conditions " previously thought to be > genetic " - what is happening to our kids is not genetic !! > My last post was light " more than I wanted to know " was a joke !!- > my previous two posts were not................................... > - I have read everything there is to read on vaccines and chelation. > I think you have misunderstood my post or not read any of my previous > postings . > LOL .....I didn't expect to get shouted at by someone from a similar > stance as me - all those capitals !! - I feel like I should be > standing in the corner !! > > Regards > Deborah > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 Hi , Don't worry - I've got a thick skin . I was just a little taken aback as it did seem directed at me as you quoted me a couple of times . ( I confess though I took being told to educate myself a little hard when I give support talks to local mums of ASD kids !!LOL !!) I hear you about the frustration part though! I guess I have just got used to the stereotypes and the " yes it is - no it isn't " level of discussion. I only get wound up very occasionally any more - like when I am personally attacked which has happened. The other one that gets me ( I don't know if you ever get this ) is that " at least my child is still alive " ....that phrase never ceases to illustrate the dumb simplicity of the speaker and the absoloute truth that they have absoloutely no idea how tragic it is to live with a severly disabled child. Of course I would not be without him , of course I love him with a pain that is almost physical- he is the sweetest boy and he brings so much happiness into our home - but the notion that the fact that he is breathing makes what happened " not so bad " is just dispicable. I have just had a baby and I see the mums coming into the surgery to get their kids jabbed - they look at me as if I am crazy when I am not having the same schedule as them and I do wonder how many have actually reached an informed decision and how many are doing what I did - just doing what you do with a new baby !! Oh to have my choices again ! Any way - thanks for the apology - but obviously we just misunderstood each other Best wishes Deborah Gettingwell , " anagrammys <anagramy@b...> " <anagramy@b...> wrote: > --I'm sorry if my message seemed harsh. It was not directed to you in > particular, nor were my caps intended as shouting, simply for > emphasis and out of frustration, I guess. > I'm sorry if it read that way, or that you took it that way. > > - In Gettingwell , " beaniesmum2001 <MONXYMOO@a...> " > <MONXYMOO@a...> wrote: > > Hi , > > sorry - did I miss something ? Was your post intended for me ? > > Your post reads as if you are explaining to me the stance of > vaccine > > damaged families - and as if I have disagreed , or made some sort > of > > pronouncement in that regard. > > I know you cannot have an epedemic of genetic conditions - that is > > why I said an epedemic of conditions " previously thought to be > > genetic " - what is happening to our kids is not genetic !! > > My last post was light " more than I wanted to know " was a joke !!- > > > my previous two posts were not................................... > > - I have read everything there is to read on vaccines and > chelation. > > I think you have misunderstood my post or not read any of my > previous > > postings . > > LOL .....I didn't expect to get shouted at by someone from a > similar > > stance as me - all those capitals !! - I feel like I should be > > standing in the corner !! > > > > Regards > > Deborah > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 Lorenzo wrote: > It seems that some who question Vaccinations apply more heat than light > on the subject. > Yes, you are probably right about that. Many anti-vaccine sites/e-mails seem highly emotionally driven. > Aspirin hurts more than that! Yes, but the difference is that aspirin is not mandatory. (And technically, vaccines aren't mandatory either, but the problem is that no one else seems to know that!) I can't tell you how many zillions of times I've met people who tell me that my children can't go to school because they haven't been vaccinated. Lorenzo, I appreciate your ballsiness - it is not easy to open up in a forum *like this one* and say, out loud, that you think vaccines are good. Hopefully this will engender some good discussion as long as we keep it lighthearted, level, and logical. Though I must say as an afterthought, it is not always easy to keep the emotional part out of a discussion, particularly if our own children have been damaged by vaccines. My own children of course have not been vaccinated, but one of my nephews was blinded by a vaccine, so I am particularly wary. Mindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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