Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 Morning Morton, >>associated with eating raw eggs. Reread the good doctor's article - it is quite >convoluted. His article really gives good reasons for NOT eating raw eggs. You sound like a mainstream messenger.......... <grin> I have spent some time recently researching eating raw eggs. When you find any specific subject that is near 100 percent slanted in one direction, I think something is missing. Below is one article I found that I sent out to my mailing list. The first few lines are my comments. The subject line was..... " Do this many people EAT Raw eggs " Of course not. And.... what about all the people that do not get salmonella from eating the same food. The healthy body can detoxify and kill salmonella and most other food poisoning. =================================== This is a classic example of misinformation. Read all the reasons and excuses for the high number of Salmonella cases. There is not one word relative to how the healthy body and the immune system renders Salmonella harmless. All the people that do not get Salmonella are eating the same food as the ones that get it. Read the article. I suppose lots of these people play with snakes too. Wayne ========================================== · Salmonella is actually a group of bacteria that can cause diarrheal illness in people. Salmonella has been known to cause illness in people for over 100 years. · Every year, approximately 800,000 to 4 million cases of Salmonella result in 500 deaths in the United States. Children are the most likely to get Salmonella. Young children, the elderly, and the immunocompromised are the most likely to have severe infections. · Symptoms of Salmonella include diarrhea, fever, and abdominal cramps that develop 12 to 72 hours after infection. The illness usually lasts 4 to 7 days, and most persons recover without treatment. · If the patient becomes severely dehydrated or the infection spreads from the intestines. Persons with severe diarrhea may require rehydration, often with intravenous fluids. Antibiotics are not usually necessary unless the infection spreads from the intestines. · Salmonella passes from the feces of people or animals, to other people or other animals. There are many different kinds of Salmonella bacteria. Salmonella serotype Typhimurium and Salmonella serotype Enteritidis are the most common in the United States. · Contaminated foods usually look and smell normal. Contaminated foods are often of animal origin, such as beef, poultry, milk, or eggs, but all foods, including vegetables may become contaminated. Food may also become contaminated by the unwashed hands of an infected person handling such food. · Salmonella may also be found in the feces of some pets. Reptiles are particularly likely to harbor the bacteria. · Some Salmonella bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics, largely as a result of the use of antibiotics to promote the growth of feed animals. · There is no vaccine to prevent Salmonella. Therefore, to prevent infection · Do not eat raw or undercooked eggs, poultry, or meat. Raw eggs may be unrecognized in some foods such as homemade hollandaise sauce, caesar and other salad dressings, tiramisu, homemade ice cream, homemade mayonnaise, cookie dough, and frostings. · Poultry and meat, including hamburgers, should be well-cooked, not pink in the middle. Persons also should not consume raw or unpasteurized milk or other dairy products. Produce should be thoroughly washed before consuming. · Cross-contamination of foods should be avoided. Uncooked meats should be keep separate from produce, cooked foods, and ready-to-eat foods. Hands, cutting boards, counters, knives, and other utensils should be washed thoroughly after handling uncooked foods. Hand should be washed before handling any food, and between handling different food items. · Persons infected with Salmonella should not prepare food or pour water for others until they have been shown to no longer be carrying the Salmonella bacterium. · Wash your hands after contact with animal feces. Since reptiles are particularly likely to have Salmonella, everyone should immediately wash their hands after handling reptiles. Reptiles (including turtles) are not appropriate pets for small children and should not be in the same house as an infant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2002 Report Share Posted November 17, 2002 Okay, so I have read all the articles and understand the risk, but help me with the benefit. I have yet to hear WHY I want to eat raw eggs. What does it do for me? Ken Wayne Fugitt [wayne] Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:51 AM Gettingwell Raw Eggs, Not the whole story Morning Morton, >>associated with eating raw eggs. Reread the good doctor's article - it is quite >convoluted. His article really gives good reasons for NOT eating raw eggs. You sound like a mainstream messenger.......... <grin> I have spent some time recently researching eating raw eggs. When you find any specific subject that is near 100 percent slanted in one direction, I think something is missing. Below is one article I found that I sent out to my mailing list. The first few lines are my comments. The subject line was..... " Do this many people EAT Raw eggs " Of course not. And.... what about all the people that do not get salmonella from eating the same food. The healthy body can detoxify and kill salmonella and most other food poisoning. =================================== This is a classic example of misinformation. Read all the reasons and excuses for the high number of Salmonella cases. There is not one word relative to how the healthy body and the immune system renders Salmonella harmless. All the people that do not get Salmonella are eating the same food as the ones that get it. Read the article. I suppose lots of these people play with snakes too. Wayne ========================================== · Salmonella is actually a group of bacteria that can cause diarrheal illness in people. Salmonella has been known to cause illness in people for over 100 years. · Every year, approximately 800,000 to 4 million cases of Salmonella result in 500 deaths in the United States. Children are the most likely to get Salmonella. Young children, the elderly, and the immunocompromised are the most likely to have severe infections. · Symptoms of Salmonella include diarrhea, fever, and abdominal cramps that develop 12 to 72 hours after infection. The illness usually lasts 4 to 7 days, and most persons recover without treatment. · If the patient becomes severely dehydrated or the infection spreads from the intestines. Persons with severe diarrhea may require rehydration, often with intravenous fluids. Antibiotics are not usually necessary unless the infection spreads from the intestines. · Salmonella passes from the feces of people or animals, to other people or other animals. There are many different kinds of Salmonella bacteria. Salmonella serotype Typhimurium and Salmonella serotype Enteritidis are the most common in the United States. · Contaminated foods usually look and smell normal. Contaminated foods are often of animal origin, such as beef, poultry, milk, or eggs, but all foods, including vegetables may become contaminated. Food may also become contaminated by the unwashed hands of an infected person handling such food. · Salmonella may also be found in the feces of some pets. Reptiles are particularly likely to harbor the bacteria. · Some Salmonella bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics, largely as a result of the use of antibiotics to promote the growth of feed animals. · There is no vaccine to prevent Salmonella. Therefore, to prevent infection · Do not eat raw or undercooked eggs, poultry, or meat. Raw eggs may be unrecognized in some foods such as homemade hollandaise sauce, caesar and other salad dressings, tiramisu, homemade ice cream, homemade mayonnaise, cookie dough, and frostings. · Poultry and meat, including hamburgers, should be well-cooked, not pink in the middle. Persons also should not consume raw or unpasteurized milk or other dairy products. Produce should be thoroughly washed before consuming. · Cross-contamination of foods should be avoided. Uncooked meats should be keep separate from produce, cooked foods, and ready-to-eat foods. Hands, cutting boards, counters, knives, and other utensils should be washed thoroughly after handling uncooked foods. Hand should be washed before handling any food, and between handling different food items. · Persons infected with Salmonella should not prepare food or pour water for others until they have been shown to no longer be carrying the Salmonella bacterium. · Wash your hands after contact with animal feces. Since reptiles are particularly likely to have Salmonella, everyone should immediately wash their hands after handling reptiles. Reptiles (including turtles) are not appropriate pets for small children and should not be in the same house as an infant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 Evening Wayne Be careful lest you be pilloried for being too mainstream. There are people who want to portray themselves as being different from the pack who all think alike, to be intillectually more discerning and informed. To accomplish this, some resort to body piercing, for example, but this only forms another " mainstream " group in which all think alike, and so on. Morton P.S. - Of course, you could have written the article tongue-in-cheek........ <grin> Wayne Fugitt wrote: > Morning Morton, > > >>associated with eating raw eggs. Reread the good doctor's article - it > is quite > >convoluted. His article really gives good reasons for NOT eating raw eggs. > > You sound like a mainstream messenger.......... <grin> > > I have spent some time recently researching eating raw eggs. When you find > any specific subject that is near 100 percent slanted in one direction, I > think something is missing. > > Below is one article I found that I sent out to my mailing list. The first > few lines are my comments. > > The subject line was..... " Do this many people EAT Raw eggs " > > Of course not. And.... what about all the people that do not get > salmonella from eating the same food. > > The healthy body can detoxify and kill salmonella and most other food > poisoning. > > =================================== > > This is a classic example of misinformation. Read all the reasons and > excuses for the high number of Salmonella cases. > > There is not one word relative to how the healthy body and the immune > system renders Salmonella harmless. > > All the people that do not get Salmonella are eating the same food as the > ones that get it. > > Read the article. I suppose lots of these people play with snakes too. > > Wayne > ========================================== > > · Salmonella is actually a group of bacteria that can cause diarrheal > illness in people. Salmonella has been known to cause illness in people for > over 100 years. > > · Every year, approximately 800,000 to 4 million cases of Salmonella > result in 500 deaths in the United States. Children are the most likely to > get Salmonella. Young children, the elderly, and the immunocompromised are > the most likely to have severe infections. > > · Symptoms of Salmonella include diarrhea, fever, and abdominal > cramps that develop 12 to 72 hours after infection. The illness usually > lasts 4 to 7 days, and most persons recover without treatment. > > · If the patient becomes severely dehydrated or the infection spreads > from the intestines. Persons with severe diarrhea may require rehydration, > often with intravenous fluids. Antibiotics are not usually necessary unless > the infection spreads from the intestines. > > · Salmonella passes from the feces of people or animals, to other > people or other animals. There are many different kinds of Salmonella > bacteria. Salmonella serotype Typhimurium and Salmonella serotype > Enteritidis are the most common in the United States. > > · Contaminated foods usually look and smell normal. Contaminated > foods are often of animal origin, such as beef, poultry, milk, or eggs, but > all foods, including vegetables may become contaminated. Food may also > become contaminated by the unwashed hands of an infected person handling > such food. > > · Salmonella may also be found in the feces of some pets. Reptiles > are particularly likely to harbor the bacteria. > > · Some Salmonella bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics, > largely as a result of the use of antibiotics to promote the growth of feed > animals. > > · There is no vaccine to prevent Salmonella. Therefore, to prevent > infection > > · Do not eat raw or undercooked eggs, poultry, or meat. Raw eggs may > be unrecognized in some foods such as homemade hollandaise sauce, caesar > and other salad dressings, tiramisu, homemade ice cream, homemade > mayonnaise, cookie dough, and frostings. > > · Poultry and meat, including hamburgers, should be well-cooked, not > pink in the middle. Persons also should not consume raw or unpasteurized > milk or other dairy products. Produce should be thoroughly washed before > consuming. > > · Cross-contamination of foods should be avoided. Uncooked meats > should be keep separate from produce, cooked foods, and ready-to-eat foods. > Hands, cutting boards, counters, knives, and other utensils should be > washed thoroughly after handling uncooked foods. Hand should be washed > before handling any food, and between handling different food items. > > · Persons infected with Salmonella should not prepare food or pour > water for others until they have been shown to no longer be carrying the > Salmonella bacterium. > > · Wash your hands after contact with animal feces. Since reptiles are > particularly likely to have Salmonella, everyone should immediately wash > their hands after handling reptiles. Reptiles (including turtles) are not > appropriate pets for small children and should not be in the same house as > an infant. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 ok guys - what is the bottom line - is it safe to eat raw eggs or not? I thought according to mercola it was perfectly fine and in fact could be quite healthy for you. - Morton Bodanis Gettingwell Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:59 PM Re: Raw Eggs, Not the whole story Evening Wayne Be careful lest you be pilloried for being too mainstream. There are people who want to portray themselves as being different from the pack who all think alike, to be intillectually more discerning and informed. To accomplish this, some resort to body piercing, for example, but this only forms another " mainstream " group in which all think alike, and so on. Morton P.S. - Of course, you could have written the article tongue-in-cheek........ <grin> Wayne Fugitt wrote: > Morning Morton, > > >>associated with eating raw eggs. Reread the good doctor's article - it > is quite > >convoluted. His article really gives good reasons for NOT eating raw eggs. > > You sound like a mainstream messenger.......... <grin> > > I have spent some time recently researching eating raw eggs. When you find > any specific subject that is near 100 percent slanted in one direction, I > think something is missing. > > Below is one article I found that I sent out to my mailing list. The first > few lines are my comments. > > The subject line was..... " Do this many people EAT Raw eggs " > > Of course not. And.... what about all the people that do not get > salmonella from eating the same food. > > The healthy body can detoxify and kill salmonella and most other food > poisoning. > > =================================== > > This is a classic example of misinformation. Read all the reasons and > excuses for the high number of Salmonella cases. > > There is not one word relative to how the healthy body and the immune > system renders Salmonella harmless. > > All the people that do not get Salmonella are eating the same food as the > ones that get it. > > Read the article. I suppose lots of these people play with snakes too. > > Wayne > ========================================== > > · Salmonella is actually a group of bacteria that can cause diarrheal > illness in people. Salmonella has been known to cause illness in people for > over 100 years. > > · Every year, approximately 800,000 to 4 million cases of Salmonella > result in 500 deaths in the United States. Children are the most likely to > get Salmonella. Young children, the elderly, and the immunocompromised are > the most likely to have severe infections. > > · Symptoms of Salmonella include diarrhea, fever, and abdominal > cramps that develop 12 to 72 hours after infection. The illness usually > lasts 4 to 7 days, and most persons recover without treatment. > > · If the patient becomes severely dehydrated or the infection spreads > from the intestines. Persons with severe diarrhea may require rehydration, > often with intravenous fluids. Antibiotics are not usually necessary unless > the infection spreads from the intestines. > > · Salmonella passes from the feces of people or animals, to other > people or other animals. There are many different kinds of Salmonella > bacteria. Salmonella serotype Typhimurium and Salmonella serotype > Enteritidis are the most common in the United States. > > · Contaminated foods usually look and smell normal. Contaminated > foods are often of animal origin, such as beef, poultry, milk, or eggs, but > all foods, including vegetables may become contaminated. Food may also > become contaminated by the unwashed hands of an infected person handling > such food. > > · Salmonella may also be found in the feces of some pets. Reptiles > are particularly likely to harbor the bacteria. > > · Some Salmonella bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics, > largely as a result of the use of antibiotics to promote the growth of feed > animals. > > · There is no vaccine to prevent Salmonella. Therefore, to prevent > infection > > · Do not eat raw or undercooked eggs, poultry, or meat. Raw eggs may > be unrecognized in some foods such as homemade hollandaise sauce, caesar > and other salad dressings, tiramisu, homemade ice cream, homemade > mayonnaise, cookie dough, and frostings. > > · Poultry and meat, including hamburgers, should be well-cooked, not > pink in the middle. Persons also should not consume raw or unpasteurized > milk or other dairy products. Produce should be thoroughly washed before > consuming. > > · Cross-contamination of foods should be avoided. Uncooked meats > should be keep separate from produce, cooked foods, and ready-to-eat foods. > Hands, cutting boards, counters, knives, and other utensils should be > washed thoroughly after handling uncooked foods. Hand should be washed > before handling any food, and between handling different food items. > > · Persons infected with Salmonella should not prepare food or pour > water for others until they have been shown to no longer be carrying the > Salmonella bacterium. > > · Wash your hands after contact with animal feces. Since reptiles are > particularly likely to have Salmonella, everyone should immediately wash > their hands after handling reptiles. Reptiles (including turtles) are not > appropriate pets for small children and should not be in the same house as > an infant. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 Evening Morton, >> To accomplish this, some resort to body piercing, for example, but this only >> forms another " mainstream " group in which all think alike, and so on. I do see you point. Still, this other group which may be " us " , does not have a governing body that dictates our ideas and policies. Plus, we did not all go to the same school. And heaven forbid anyone that might think like me. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2002 Report Share Posted November 18, 2002 There is no bottom line. I went to a natural diet doctor over 30 years ago, who advised me to consume a raw egg yolk every couple of days in a glass of freshly made veg. juice. I never have had the quality of health I achieved following his diet. Later, I went to another doctor from the same school of natural health (Hygienic dieting, strictly vegetarian, but allowing for egg yolk raw, and a tiny amount of butter). He told me " not " to use egg yolks. This controversy apparently is still going. There is virtually no agreement about anything, no matter what you talk about in nutrtion. What you do find, however, is a lot of near religious fervor pro or con, about anything you bring up. Consuming raw egg yolk or the whole raw egg, or whatever, is absolutely horrible, or absolutely wonderful, and every shade of opinion in between. You have to get used to this nonsense. - " lookie13 " <lookie13 Sunday, November 17, 2002 6:14 PM Re: Raw Eggs, Not the whole story ok guys - what is the bottom line - is it safe to eat raw eggs or not? I thought according to mercola it was perfectly fine and in fact could be quite healthy for you. - Morton Bodanis Gettingwell Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:59 PM Re: Raw Eggs, Not the whole story Evening Wayne Be careful lest you be pilloried for being too mainstream. There are people who want to portray themselves as being different from the pack who all think alike, to be intillectually more discerning and informed. To accomplish this, some resort to body piercing, for example, but this only forms another " mainstream " group in which all think alike, and so on. Morton P.S. - Of course, you could have written the article tongue-in-cheek........ <grin> Wayne Fugitt wrote: > Morning Morton, > > >>associated with eating raw eggs. Reread the good doctor's article - it > is quite > >convoluted. His article really gives good reasons for NOT eating raw eggs. > > You sound like a mainstream messenger.......... <grin> > > I have spent some time recently researching eating raw eggs. When you find > any specific subject that is near 100 percent slanted in one direction, I > think something is missing. > > Below is one article I found that I sent out to my mailing list. The first > few lines are my comments. > > The subject line was..... " Do this many people EAT Raw eggs " > > Of course not. And.... what about all the people that do not get > salmonella from eating the same food. > > The healthy body can detoxify and kill salmonella and most other food > poisoning. > > =================================== > > This is a classic example of misinformation. Read all the reasons and > excuses for the high number of Salmonella cases. > > There is not one word relative to how the healthy body and the immune > system renders Salmonella harmless. > > All the people that do not get Salmonella are eating the same food as the > ones that get it. > > Read the article. I suppose lots of these people play with snakes too. > > Wayne > ========================================== > > · Salmonella is actually a group of bacteria that can cause diarrheal > illness in people. Salmonella has been known to cause illness in people for > over 100 years. > > · Every year, approximately 800,000 to 4 million cases of Salmonella > result in 500 deaths in the United States. Children are the most likely to > get Salmonella. Young children, the elderly, and the immunocompromised are > the most likely to have severe infections. > > · Symptoms of Salmonella include diarrhea, fever, and abdominal > cramps that develop 12 to 72 hours after infection. The illness usually > lasts 4 to 7 days, and most persons recover without treatment. > > · If the patient becomes severely dehydrated or the infection spreads > from the intestines. Persons with severe diarrhea may require rehydration, > often with intravenous fluids. Antibiotics are not usually necessary unless > the infection spreads from the intestines. > > · Salmonella passes from the feces of people or animals, to other > people or other animals. There are many different kinds of Salmonella > bacteria. Salmonella serotype Typhimurium and Salmonella serotype > Enteritidis are the most common in the United States. > > · Contaminated foods usually look and smell normal. Contaminated > foods are often of animal origin, such as beef, poultry, milk, or eggs, but > all foods, including vegetables may become contaminated. Food may also > become contaminated by the unwashed hands of an infected person handling > such food. > > · Salmonella may also be found in the feces of some pets. Reptiles > are particularly likely to harbor the bacteria. > > · Some Salmonella bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics, > largely as a result of the use of antibiotics to promote the growth of feed > animals. > > · There is no vaccine to prevent Salmonella. Therefore, to prevent > infection > > · Do not eat raw or undercooked eggs, poultry, or meat. Raw eggs may > be unrecognized in some foods such as homemade hollandaise sauce, caesar > and other salad dressings, tiramisu, homemade ice cream, homemade > mayonnaise, cookie dough, and frostings. > > · Poultry and meat, including hamburgers, should be well-cooked, not > pink in the middle. Persons also should not consume raw or unpasteurized > milk or other dairy products. Produce should be thoroughly washed before > consuming. > > · Cross-contamination of foods should be avoided. Uncooked meats > should be keep separate from produce, cooked foods, and ready-to-eat foods. > Hands, cutting boards, counters, knives, and other utensils should be > washed thoroughly after handling uncooked foods. Hand should be washed > before handling any food, and between handling different food items. > > · Persons infected with Salmonella should not prepare food or pour > water for others until they have been shown to no longer be carrying the > Salmonella bacterium. > > · Wash your hands after contact with animal feces. Since reptiles are > particularly likely to have Salmonella, everyone should immediately wash > their hands after handling reptiles. Reptiles (including turtles) are not > appropriate pets for small children and should not be in the same house as > an infant. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 Bernard Jensen suggests raw egg yolk as an excellent source for some of the B vitamins. He suggests making an egg-nog like drink and have it about 3X week. I'm lazy, I don't separate the yolk, I just blend the entire egg. Every now and then, maybe once every 4 - 5 dozen eggs, I'll experience some cramping and my guess is that I've gotten an egg with some salmonella. If your in good health, the acid in your stomach will kill most bacteria that you consume. The big problem with the salmonella scare is that so many people in the US are in poor health as far as there digestive system goes and their risk of having salmonella affect them greater than a few cramps for about an hour is potentially much more dangerous. Whenever there is an e-coli outbreak from some tainted meat, why doesn't everyone that has eatten a hamburger from the same joint become deathly ill? Their level of health is such that the bacteria was properly destroyed before it could do harm. In the years to come, as the majority of people's health continues to decline, mostly through ignorance, we will likely see more and more people seriously affected by the occasional distribution of tainted foodstuffs. The big push on TV for medications for acid reflux disease suggests to me that there is a big problem with poor digestive system health in the US. Acid reflux is an indicator that the persons stomach acid is not a low enough pH. A person that suffers from reflux, if eating a burger with e-coli, or a raw egg with salmonella, is very likely to become seriously ill. The stomach acid is not strong enough to kill the bacteria. Anyway, back to raw eggs. If your digestive system is in good health I agree with Dr. Jensen, they're good for ya. All the best, Jim Fibromyalgia: A Hypothesis of Etiology http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html Gettingwell, " John Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> wrote: > There is no bottom line. I went to a natural diet doctor over 30 years ago, > who advised me to consume a raw egg yolk every couple of days in a glass of > freshly made veg. juice. I never have had the quality of health I achieved > following his diet. Later, I went to another doctor from the same school of > natural health (Hygienic dieting, strictly vegetarian, but allowing for egg > yolk raw, and a tiny amount of butter). He told me " not " to use egg yolks. > This controversy apparently is still going. There is virtually no agreement > about anything, no matter what you talk about in nutrtion. What you do > find, however, is a lot of near religious fervor pro or con, about anything > you bring up. Consuming raw egg yolk or the whole raw egg, or whatever, is > absolutely horrible, or absolutely wonderful, and every shade of opinion in > between. > You have to get used to this nonsense. > - > " lookie13 " <lookie13@n...> > <Gettingwell> > Sunday, November 17, 2002 6:14 PM > Re: Raw Eggs, Not the whole story > > > ok guys - what is the bottom line - is it safe to eat raw eggs or not? I > thought according to mercola it was perfectly fine and in fact could be > quite healthy for you. > - > Morton Bodanis > Gettingwell > Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:59 PM > Re: Raw Eggs, Not the whole story > > > Evening Wayne > > Be careful lest you be pilloried for being too mainstream. > > There are people who want to portray themselves as being different from > the pack who all > think alike, to be intillectually more discerning and informed. To > accomplish this, some > resort to body piercing, for example, but this only forms another > " mainstream " group in > which all think alike, and so on. > > Morton > > P.S. - Of course, you could have written the article > tongue-in-cheek........ <grin> > > Wayne Fugitt wrote: > > > Morning Morton, > > > > >>associated with eating raw eggs. Reread the good doctor's article - > it > > is quite > > >convoluted. His article really gives good reasons for NOT eating raw > eggs. > > > > You sound like a mainstream messenger.......... <grin> > > > > I have spent some time recently researching eating raw eggs. When you > find > > any specific subject that is near 100 percent slanted in one direction, > I > > think something is missing. > > > > Below is one article I found that I sent out to my mailing list. The > first > > few lines are my comments. > > > > The subject line was..... " Do this many people EAT Raw eggs " > > > > Of course not. And.... what about all the people that do not get > > salmonella from eating the same food. > > > > The healthy body can detoxify and kill salmonella and most other food > > poisoning. > > > > =================================== > > > > This is a classic example of misinformation. Read all the reasons and > > excuses for the high number of Salmonella cases. > > > > There is not one word relative to how the healthy body and the immune > > system renders Salmonella harmless. > > > > All the people that do not get Salmonella are eating the same food as > the > > ones that get it. > > > > Read the article. I suppose lots of these people play with snakes too. > > > > Wayne > > ========================================== > > > > · Salmonella is actually a group of bacteria that can cause > diarrheal > > illness in people. Salmonella has been known to cause illness in people > for > > over 100 years. > > > > · Every year, approximately 800,000 to 4 million cases of > Salmonella > > result in 500 deaths in the United States. Children are the most likely > to > > get Salmonella. Young children, the elderly, and the immunocompromised > are > > the most likely to have severe infections. > > > > · Symptoms of Salmonella include diarrhea, fever, and abdominal > > cramps that develop 12 to 72 hours after infection. The illness usually > > lasts 4 to 7 days, and most persons recover without treatment. > > > > · If the patient becomes severely dehydrated or the infection > spreads > > from the intestines. Persons with severe diarrhea may require > rehydration, > > often with intravenous fluids. Antibiotics are not usually necessary > unless > > the infection spreads from the intestines. > > > > · Salmonella passes from the feces of people or animals, to other > > people or other animals. There are many different kinds of Salmonella > > bacteria. Salmonella serotype Typhimurium and Salmonella serotype > > Enteritidis are the most common in the United States. > > > > · Contaminated foods usually look and smell normal. Contaminated > > foods are often of animal origin, such as beef, poultry, milk, or eggs, > but > > all foods, including vegetables may become contaminated. Food may also > > become contaminated by the unwashed hands of an infected person handling > > such food. > > > > · Salmonella may also be found in the feces of some pets. Reptiles > > are particularly likely to harbor the bacteria. > > > > · Some Salmonella bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics, > > largely as a result of the use of antibiotics to promote the growth of > feed > > animals. > > > > · There is no vaccine to prevent Salmonella. Therefore, to prevent > > infection > > > > · Do not eat raw or undercooked eggs, poultry, or meat. Raw eggs > may > > be unrecognized in some foods such as homemade hollandaise sauce, caesar > > and other salad dressings, tiramisu, homemade ice cream, homemade > > mayonnaise, cookie dough, and frostings. > > > > · Poultry and meat, including hamburgers, should be well- cooked, > not > > pink in the middle. Persons also should not consume raw or unpasteurized > > milk or other dairy products. Produce should be thoroughly washed before > > consuming. > > > > · Cross-contamination of foods should be avoided. Uncooked meats > > should be keep separate from produce, cooked foods, and ready- to-eat > foods. > > Hands, cutting boards, counters, knives, and other utensils should be > > washed thoroughly after handling uncooked foods. Hand should be washed > > before handling any food, and between handling different food items. > > > > · Persons infected with Salmonella should not prepare food or pour > > water for others until they have been shown to no longer be carrying the > > Salmonella bacterium. > > > > · Wash your hands after contact with animal feces. Since reptiles > are > > particularly likely to have Salmonella, everyone should immediately wash > > their hands after handling reptiles. Reptiles (including turtles) are > not > > appropriate pets for small children and should not be in the same house > as > > an infant. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 I don't get it. Even if one is in good health, why tempt the fates? Surely a person in good health is so because he does, amongst other things, eat properly. thmicom wrote: > Bernard Jensen suggests raw egg yolk as an excellent source for some > of the B vitamins. He suggests making an egg-nog like drink and have > it about 3X week. > > I'm lazy, I don't separate the yolk, I just blend the entire egg. > Every now and then, maybe once every 4 - 5 dozen eggs, I'll > experience some cramping and my guess is that I've gotten an egg with > some salmonella. So who needs the discomfort of " some cramping " if only to consume a raw egg in some blended mixture. Will the raw egg really be so necessary to the gustatory delight of injesting this concoction an then experiencing the " some cramping " ? > > > If your in good health, the acid in your stomach will kill most > bacteria that you consume. The big problem with the salmonella scare > is that so many people in the US are in poor health as far as there > digestive system goes and their risk of having salmonella affect them > greater than a few cramps for about an hour is potentially much more > dangerous > > > Whenever there is an e-coli outbreak from some tainted meat, why > doesn't everyone that has eatten a hamburger from the same joint > become deathly ill? Their level of health is such that the bacteria > was properly destroyed before it could do harm. Maybe it is just that the people eating tainted meat from the same joint just cooked their hamburger properly, and killed the bacteria, before eating it. > > > In the years to come, as the majority of people's health continues to > decline, mostly through ignorance, we will likely see more and more > people seriously affected by the occasional distribution of tainted > foodstuffs. > > The big push on TV for medications for acid reflux disease suggests > to me that there is a big problem with poor digestive system health > in the US. Acid reflux is an indicator that the persons stomach acid > is not a low enough pH. A person that suffers from reflux, if eating > a burger with e-coli, or a raw egg with salmonella, is very likely to > become seriously ill. The stomach acid is not strong enough to kill > the bacteria. Reflux, or acid reflux as it is referred to, is caused mostly by eating too much and having a poorly function sphincter. This is not related to poor health. And it is called " acid " relfux because the stomach is highly acidic and so gives the burning sensation. Maybe the stomach acid is not strong enough, which I doubt, or maybe the stomach is just overwhelmed by the influx of bacteria. > > > Anyway, back to raw eggs. If your digestive system is in good health > I agree with Dr. Jensen, they're good for ya. > > All the best, > Jim > And maybe those who insist on doing things which are potentially dangerous and really not necessary, are just trying to prove that they are macho. More power to them. Morton > > Fibromyalgia: A Hypothesis of Etiology > http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html > > Gettingwell, " John Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> wrote: > > There is no bottom line. I went to a natural diet doctor over 30 > years ago, > > who advised me to consume a raw egg yolk every couple of days in a > glass of > > freshly made veg. juice. I never have had the quality of health I > achieved > > following his diet. Later, I went to another doctor from the same > school of > > natural health (Hygienic dieting, strictly vegetarian, but allowing > for egg > > yolk raw, and a tiny amount of butter). He told me " not " to use > egg yolks. > > This controversy apparently is still going. There is virtually no > agreement > > about anything, no matter what you talk about in nutrtion. What > you do > > find, however, is a lot of near religious fervor pro or con, about > anything > > you bring up. Consuming raw egg yolk or the whole raw egg, or > whatever, is > > absolutely horrible, or absolutely wonderful, and every shade of > opinion in > > between. > > You have to get used to this nonsense. > > - > > " lookie13 " <lookie13@n...> > > <Gettingwell> > > Sunday, November 17, 2002 6:14 PM > > Re: Raw Eggs, Not the whole story > > > > > > ok guys - what is the bottom line - is it safe to eat raw eggs or > not? I > > thought according to mercola it was perfectly fine and in fact > could be > > quite healthy for you. > > - > > Morton Bodanis > > Gettingwell > > Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:59 PM > > Re: Raw Eggs, Not the whole story > > > > > > Evening Wayne > > > > Be careful lest you be pilloried for being too mainstream. > > > > There are people who want to portray themselves as being > different from > > the pack who all > > think alike, to be intillectually more discerning and informed. > To > > accomplish this, some > > resort to body piercing, for example, but this only forms another > > " mainstream " group in > > which all think alike, and so on. > > > > Morton > > > > P.S. - Of course, you could have written the article > > tongue-in-cheek........ <grin> > > > > Wayne Fugitt wrote: > > > > > Morning Morton, > > > > > > >>associated with eating raw eggs. Reread the good doctor's > article - > > it > > > is quite > > > >convoluted. His article really gives good reasons for NOT > eating raw > > eggs. > > > > > > You sound like a mainstream messenger.......... <grin> > > > > > > I have spent some time recently researching eating raw eggs. > When you > > find > > > any specific subject that is near 100 percent slanted in one > direction, > > I > > > think something is missing. > > > > > > Below is one article I found that I sent out to my mailing > list. The > > first > > > few lines are my comments. > > > > > > The subject line was..... " Do this many people EAT Raw eggs " > > > > > > Of course not. And.... what about all the people that do not > get > > > salmonella from eating the same food. > > > > > > The healthy body can detoxify and kill salmonella and most > other food > > > poisoning. > > > > > > =================================== > > > > > > This is a classic example of misinformation. Read all the > reasons and > > > excuses for the high number of Salmonella cases. > > > > > > There is not one word relative to how the healthy body and the > immune > > > system renders Salmonella harmless. > > > > > > All the people that do not get Salmonella are eating the same > food as > > the > > > ones that get it. > > > > > > Read the article. I suppose lots of these people play with > snakes too. > > > > > > Wayne > > > ========================================== > > > > > > · Salmonella is actually a group of bacteria that can > cause > > diarrheal > > > illness in people. Salmonella has been known to cause illness > in people > > for > > > over 100 years. > > > > > > · Every year, approximately 800,000 to 4 million cases of > > Salmonella > > > result in 500 deaths in the United States. Children are the > most likely > > to > > > get Salmonella. Young children, the elderly, and the > immunocompromised > > are > > > the most likely to have severe infections. > > > > > > · Symptoms of Salmonella include diarrhea, fever, and > abdominal > > > cramps that develop 12 to 72 hours after infection. The illness > usually > > > lasts 4 to 7 days, and most persons recover without treatment. > > > > > > · If the patient becomes severely dehydrated or the > infection > > spreads > > > from the intestines. Persons with severe diarrhea may require > > rehydration, > > > often with intravenous fluids. Antibiotics are not usually > necessary > > unless > > > the infection spreads from the intestines. > > > > > > · Salmonella passes from the feces of people or animals, > to other > > > people or other animals. There are many different kinds of > Salmonella > > > bacteria. Salmonella serotype Typhimurium and Salmonella > serotype > > > Enteritidis are the most common in the United States. > > > > > > · Contaminated foods usually look and smell normal. > Contaminated > > > foods are often of animal origin, such as beef, poultry, milk, > or eggs, > > but > > > all foods, including vegetables may become contaminated. Food > may also > > > become contaminated by the unwashed hands of an infected person > handling > > > such food. > > > > > > · Salmonella may also be found in the feces of some > pets. Reptiles > > > are particularly likely to harbor the bacteria. > > > > > > · Some Salmonella bacteria have become resistant to > antibiotics, > > > largely as a result of the use of antibiotics to promote the > growth of > > feed > > > animals. > > > > > > · There is no vaccine to prevent Salmonella. Therefore, > to prevent > > > infection > > > > > > · Do not eat raw or undercooked eggs, poultry, or meat. > Raw eggs > > may > > > be unrecognized in some foods such as homemade hollandaise > sauce, caesar > > > and other salad dressings, tiramisu, homemade ice cream, > homemade > > > mayonnaise, cookie dough, and frostings. > > > > > > · Poultry and meat, including hamburgers, should be well- > cooked, > > not > > > pink in the middle. Persons also should not consume raw or > unpasteurized > > > milk or other dairy products. Produce should be thoroughly > washed before > > > consuming. > > > > > > · Cross-contamination of foods should be avoided. > Uncooked meats > > > should be keep separate from produce, cooked foods, and ready- > to-eat > > foods. > > > Hands, cutting boards, counters, knives, and other utensils > should be > > > washed thoroughly after handling uncooked foods. Hand should be > washed > > > before handling any food, and between handling different food > items. > > > > > > · Persons infected with Salmonella should not prepare > food or pour > > > water for others until they have been shown to no longer be > carrying the > > > Salmonella bacterium. > > > > > > · Wash your hands after contact with animal feces. Since > reptiles > > are > > > particularly likely to have Salmonella, everyone should > immediately wash > > > their hands after handling reptiles. Reptiles (including > turtles) are > > not > > > appropriate pets for small children and should not be in the > same house > > as > > > an infant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 |Evening Morton, >I don't get it. Even if one is in good health, why tempt the >fates? Surely a person in good health is so because he does, amongst >other things, eat properly. Some of us then our immune system is mean enough to kill the meanest of bacteria. I don't think I posted it here, but my immune system gets tested about 10 times per week. There will be a " first time " when the bacteria wins. Until then, I won't loose any sleep over eating the raw eggs, food picked up off the floor, and all the aflatoxin in the peanuts. >So who needs the discomfort of " some cramping " if only to consume a raw >egg in some blended mixture. Will the raw egg really be so necessary to >the gustatory delight of injesting this concoction an then experiencing >the " some cramping " ? I have never had this problem. Some of us believe the benefits outweigh the risk. Risk assessment is something we all do many times per day. When we make a mistake we have to live with the results. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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