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Morning Morton,

 

>>associated with eating raw eggs. Reread the good doctor's article - it

is quite

>convoluted. His article really gives good reasons for NOT eating raw eggs.

 

You sound like a mainstream messenger.......... <grin>

 

I have spent some time recently researching eating raw eggs. When you find

any specific subject that is near 100 percent slanted in one direction, I

think something is missing.

 

Below is one article I found that I sent out to my mailing list. The first

few lines are my comments.

 

The subject line was..... " Do this many people EAT Raw eggs "

 

Of course not. And.... what about all the people that do not get

salmonella from eating the same food.

 

The healthy body can detoxify and kill salmonella and most other food

poisoning.

 

===================================

 

This is a classic example of misinformation. Read all the reasons and

excuses for the high number of Salmonella cases.

 

There is not one word relative to how the healthy body and the immune

system renders Salmonella harmless.

 

All the people that do not get Salmonella are eating the same food as the

ones that get it.

 

Read the article. I suppose lots of these people play with snakes too.

 

Wayne

==========================================

 

· Salmonella is actually a group of bacteria that can cause diarrheal

illness in people. Salmonella has been known to cause illness in people for

over 100 years.

 

· Every year, approximately 800,000 to 4 million cases of Salmonella

result in 500 deaths in the United States. Children are the most likely to

get Salmonella. Young children, the elderly, and the immunocompromised are

the most likely to have severe infections.

 

· Symptoms of Salmonella include diarrhea, fever, and abdominal

cramps that develop 12 to 72 hours after infection. The illness usually

lasts 4 to 7 days, and most persons recover without treatment.

 

· If the patient becomes severely dehydrated or the infection spreads

from the intestines. Persons with severe diarrhea may require rehydration,

often with intravenous fluids. Antibiotics are not usually necessary unless

the infection spreads from the intestines.

 

· Salmonella passes from the feces of people or animals, to other

people or other animals. There are many different kinds of Salmonella

bacteria. Salmonella serotype Typhimurium and Salmonella serotype

Enteritidis are the most common in the United States.

 

· Contaminated foods usually look and smell normal. Contaminated

foods are often of animal origin, such as beef, poultry, milk, or eggs, but

all foods, including vegetables may become contaminated. Food may also

become contaminated by the unwashed hands of an infected person handling

such food.

 

· Salmonella may also be found in the feces of some pets. Reptiles

are particularly likely to harbor the bacteria.

 

· Some Salmonella bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics,

largely as a result of the use of antibiotics to promote the growth of feed

animals.

 

· There is no vaccine to prevent Salmonella. Therefore, to prevent

infection

 

· Do not eat raw or undercooked eggs, poultry, or meat. Raw eggs may

be unrecognized in some foods such as homemade hollandaise sauce, caesar

and other salad dressings, tiramisu, homemade ice cream, homemade

mayonnaise, cookie dough, and frostings.

 

· Poultry and meat, including hamburgers, should be well-cooked, not

pink in the middle. Persons also should not consume raw or unpasteurized

milk or other dairy products. Produce should be thoroughly washed before

consuming.

 

· Cross-contamination of foods should be avoided. Uncooked meats

should be keep separate from produce, cooked foods, and ready-to-eat foods.

Hands, cutting boards, counters, knives, and other utensils should be

washed thoroughly after handling uncooked foods. Hand should be washed

before handling any food, and between handling different food items.

 

· Persons infected with Salmonella should not prepare food or pour

water for others until they have been shown to no longer be carrying the

Salmonella bacterium.

 

· Wash your hands after contact with animal feces. Since reptiles are

particularly likely to have Salmonella, everyone should immediately wash

their hands after handling reptiles. Reptiles (including turtles) are not

appropriate pets for small children and should not be in the same house as

an infant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Okay, so I have read all the articles and understand the risk, but help me

with the benefit. I have yet to hear WHY I want to eat raw eggs. What does

it do for me?

 

Ken

Wayne Fugitt [wayne]

Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:51 AM

Gettingwell

Raw Eggs, Not the whole story

 

 

Morning Morton,

 

>>associated with eating raw eggs. Reread the good doctor's article - it

is quite

>convoluted. His article really gives good reasons for NOT eating raw

eggs.

 

You sound like a mainstream messenger.......... <grin>

 

I have spent some time recently researching eating raw eggs. When you

find

any specific subject that is near 100 percent slanted in one direction, I

think something is missing.

 

Below is one article I found that I sent out to my mailing list. The

first

few lines are my comments.

 

The subject line was..... " Do this many people EAT Raw eggs "

 

Of course not. And.... what about all the people that do not get

salmonella from eating the same food.

 

The healthy body can detoxify and kill salmonella and most other food

poisoning.

 

===================================

 

This is a classic example of misinformation. Read all the reasons and

excuses for the high number of Salmonella cases.

 

There is not one word relative to how the healthy body and the immune

system renders Salmonella harmless.

 

All the people that do not get Salmonella are eating the same food as the

ones that get it.

 

Read the article. I suppose lots of these people play with snakes too.

 

Wayne

==========================================

 

· Salmonella is actually a group of bacteria that can cause

diarrheal

illness in people. Salmonella has been known to cause illness in people

for

over 100 years.

 

· Every year, approximately 800,000 to 4 million cases of Salmonella

result in 500 deaths in the United States. Children are the most likely to

get Salmonella. Young children, the elderly, and the immunocompromised are

the most likely to have severe infections.

 

· Symptoms of Salmonella include diarrhea, fever, and abdominal

cramps that develop 12 to 72 hours after infection. The illness usually

lasts 4 to 7 days, and most persons recover without treatment.

 

· If the patient becomes severely dehydrated or the infection

spreads

from the intestines. Persons with severe diarrhea may require rehydration,

often with intravenous fluids. Antibiotics are not usually necessary

unless

the infection spreads from the intestines.

 

· Salmonella passes from the feces of people or animals, to other

people or other animals. There are many different kinds of Salmonella

bacteria. Salmonella serotype Typhimurium and Salmonella serotype

Enteritidis are the most common in the United States.

 

· Contaminated foods usually look and smell normal. Contaminated

foods are often of animal origin, such as beef, poultry, milk, or eggs,

but

all foods, including vegetables may become contaminated. Food may also

become contaminated by the unwashed hands of an infected person handling

such food.

 

· Salmonella may also be found in the feces of some pets. Reptiles

are particularly likely to harbor the bacteria.

 

· Some Salmonella bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics,

largely as a result of the use of antibiotics to promote the growth of

feed

animals.

 

· There is no vaccine to prevent Salmonella. Therefore, to prevent

infection

 

· Do not eat raw or undercooked eggs, poultry, or meat. Raw eggs may

be unrecognized in some foods such as homemade hollandaise sauce, caesar

and other salad dressings, tiramisu, homemade ice cream, homemade

mayonnaise, cookie dough, and frostings.

 

· Poultry and meat, including hamburgers, should be well-cooked, not

pink in the middle. Persons also should not consume raw or unpasteurized

milk or other dairy products. Produce should be thoroughly washed before

consuming.

 

· Cross-contamination of foods should be avoided. Uncooked meats

should be keep separate from produce, cooked foods, and ready-to-eat

foods.

Hands, cutting boards, counters, knives, and other utensils should be

washed thoroughly after handling uncooked foods. Hand should be washed

before handling any food, and between handling different food items.

 

· Persons infected with Salmonella should not prepare food or pour

water for others until they have been shown to no longer be carrying the

Salmonella bacterium.

 

· Wash your hands after contact with animal feces. Since reptiles

are

particularly likely to have Salmonella, everyone should immediately wash

their hands after handling reptiles. Reptiles (including turtles) are not

appropriate pets for small children and should not be in the same house as

an infant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Evening Wayne

 

Be careful lest you be pilloried for being too mainstream.

 

There are people who want to portray themselves as being different from the pack

who all

think alike, to be intillectually more discerning and informed. To accomplish

this, some

resort to body piercing, for example, but this only forms another " mainstream "

group in

which all think alike, and so on.

 

Morton

 

P.S. - Of course, you could have written the article tongue-in-cheek........

<grin>

 

Wayne Fugitt wrote:

 

> Morning Morton,

>

> >>associated with eating raw eggs. Reread the good doctor's article - it

> is quite

> >convoluted. His article really gives good reasons for NOT eating raw eggs.

>

> You sound like a mainstream messenger.......... <grin>

>

> I have spent some time recently researching eating raw eggs. When you find

> any specific subject that is near 100 percent slanted in one direction, I

> think something is missing.

>

> Below is one article I found that I sent out to my mailing list. The first

> few lines are my comments.

>

> The subject line was..... " Do this many people EAT Raw eggs "

>

> Of course not. And.... what about all the people that do not get

> salmonella from eating the same food.

>

> The healthy body can detoxify and kill salmonella and most other food

> poisoning.

>

> ===================================

>

> This is a classic example of misinformation. Read all the reasons and

> excuses for the high number of Salmonella cases.

>

> There is not one word relative to how the healthy body and the immune

> system renders Salmonella harmless.

>

> All the people that do not get Salmonella are eating the same food as the

> ones that get it.

>

> Read the article. I suppose lots of these people play with snakes too.

>

> Wayne

> ==========================================

>

> · Salmonella is actually a group of bacteria that can cause diarrheal

> illness in people. Salmonella has been known to cause illness in people for

> over 100 years.

>

> · Every year, approximately 800,000 to 4 million cases of Salmonella

> result in 500 deaths in the United States. Children are the most likely to

> get Salmonella. Young children, the elderly, and the immunocompromised are

> the most likely to have severe infections.

>

> · Symptoms of Salmonella include diarrhea, fever, and abdominal

> cramps that develop 12 to 72 hours after infection. The illness usually

> lasts 4 to 7 days, and most persons recover without treatment.

>

> · If the patient becomes severely dehydrated or the infection spreads

> from the intestines. Persons with severe diarrhea may require rehydration,

> often with intravenous fluids. Antibiotics are not usually necessary unless

> the infection spreads from the intestines.

>

> · Salmonella passes from the feces of people or animals, to other

> people or other animals. There are many different kinds of Salmonella

> bacteria. Salmonella serotype Typhimurium and Salmonella serotype

> Enteritidis are the most common in the United States.

>

> · Contaminated foods usually look and smell normal. Contaminated

> foods are often of animal origin, such as beef, poultry, milk, or eggs, but

> all foods, including vegetables may become contaminated. Food may also

> become contaminated by the unwashed hands of an infected person handling

> such food.

>

> · Salmonella may also be found in the feces of some pets. Reptiles

> are particularly likely to harbor the bacteria.

>

> · Some Salmonella bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics,

> largely as a result of the use of antibiotics to promote the growth of feed

> animals.

>

> · There is no vaccine to prevent Salmonella. Therefore, to prevent

> infection

>

> · Do not eat raw or undercooked eggs, poultry, or meat. Raw eggs may

> be unrecognized in some foods such as homemade hollandaise sauce, caesar

> and other salad dressings, tiramisu, homemade ice cream, homemade

> mayonnaise, cookie dough, and frostings.

>

> · Poultry and meat, including hamburgers, should be well-cooked, not

> pink in the middle. Persons also should not consume raw or unpasteurized

> milk or other dairy products. Produce should be thoroughly washed before

> consuming.

>

> · Cross-contamination of foods should be avoided. Uncooked meats

> should be keep separate from produce, cooked foods, and ready-to-eat foods.

> Hands, cutting boards, counters, knives, and other utensils should be

> washed thoroughly after handling uncooked foods. Hand should be washed

> before handling any food, and between handling different food items.

>

> · Persons infected with Salmonella should not prepare food or pour

> water for others until they have been shown to no longer be carrying the

> Salmonella bacterium.

>

> · Wash your hands after contact with animal feces. Since reptiles are

> particularly likely to have Salmonella, everyone should immediately wash

> their hands after handling reptiles. Reptiles (including turtles) are not

> appropriate pets for small children and should not be in the same house as

> an infant.

>

 

 

 

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ok guys - what is the bottom line - is it safe to eat raw eggs or not? I

thought according to mercola it was perfectly fine and in fact could be quite

healthy for you.

-

Morton Bodanis

Gettingwell

Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:59 PM

Re: Raw Eggs, Not the whole story

 

 

Evening Wayne

 

Be careful lest you be pilloried for being too mainstream.

 

There are people who want to portray themselves as being different from the

pack who all

think alike, to be intillectually more discerning and informed. To accomplish

this, some

resort to body piercing, for example, but this only forms another " mainstream "

group in

which all think alike, and so on.

 

Morton

 

P.S. - Of course, you could have written the article tongue-in-cheek........

<grin>

 

Wayne Fugitt wrote:

 

> Morning Morton,

>

> >>associated with eating raw eggs. Reread the good doctor's article - it

> is quite

> >convoluted. His article really gives good reasons for NOT eating raw eggs.

>

> You sound like a mainstream messenger.......... <grin>

>

> I have spent some time recently researching eating raw eggs. When you find

> any specific subject that is near 100 percent slanted in one direction, I

> think something is missing.

>

> Below is one article I found that I sent out to my mailing list. The first

> few lines are my comments.

>

> The subject line was..... " Do this many people EAT Raw eggs "

>

> Of course not. And.... what about all the people that do not get

> salmonella from eating the same food.

>

> The healthy body can detoxify and kill salmonella and most other food

> poisoning.

>

> ===================================

>

> This is a classic example of misinformation. Read all the reasons and

> excuses for the high number of Salmonella cases.

>

> There is not one word relative to how the healthy body and the immune

> system renders Salmonella harmless.

>

> All the people that do not get Salmonella are eating the same food as the

> ones that get it.

>

> Read the article. I suppose lots of these people play with snakes too.

>

> Wayne

> ==========================================

>

> · Salmonella is actually a group of bacteria that can cause diarrheal

> illness in people. Salmonella has been known to cause illness in people for

> over 100 years.

>

> · Every year, approximately 800,000 to 4 million cases of Salmonella

> result in 500 deaths in the United States. Children are the most likely to

> get Salmonella. Young children, the elderly, and the immunocompromised are

> the most likely to have severe infections.

>

> · Symptoms of Salmonella include diarrhea, fever, and abdominal

> cramps that develop 12 to 72 hours after infection. The illness usually

> lasts 4 to 7 days, and most persons recover without treatment.

>

> · If the patient becomes severely dehydrated or the infection spreads

> from the intestines. Persons with severe diarrhea may require rehydration,

> often with intravenous fluids. Antibiotics are not usually necessary unless

> the infection spreads from the intestines.

>

> · Salmonella passes from the feces of people or animals, to other

> people or other animals. There are many different kinds of Salmonella

> bacteria. Salmonella serotype Typhimurium and Salmonella serotype

> Enteritidis are the most common in the United States.

>

> · Contaminated foods usually look and smell normal. Contaminated

> foods are often of animal origin, such as beef, poultry, milk, or eggs, but

> all foods, including vegetables may become contaminated. Food may also

> become contaminated by the unwashed hands of an infected person handling

> such food.

>

> · Salmonella may also be found in the feces of some pets. Reptiles

> are particularly likely to harbor the bacteria.

>

> · Some Salmonella bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics,

> largely as a result of the use of antibiotics to promote the growth of feed

> animals.

>

> · There is no vaccine to prevent Salmonella. Therefore, to prevent

> infection

>

> · Do not eat raw or undercooked eggs, poultry, or meat. Raw eggs may

> be unrecognized in some foods such as homemade hollandaise sauce, caesar

> and other salad dressings, tiramisu, homemade ice cream, homemade

> mayonnaise, cookie dough, and frostings.

>

> · Poultry and meat, including hamburgers, should be well-cooked, not

> pink in the middle. Persons also should not consume raw or unpasteurized

> milk or other dairy products. Produce should be thoroughly washed before

> consuming.

>

> · Cross-contamination of foods should be avoided. Uncooked meats

> should be keep separate from produce, cooked foods, and ready-to-eat foods.

> Hands, cutting boards, counters, knives, and other utensils should be

> washed thoroughly after handling uncooked foods. Hand should be washed

> before handling any food, and between handling different food items.

>

> · Persons infected with Salmonella should not prepare food or pour

> water for others until they have been shown to no longer be carrying the

> Salmonella bacterium.

>

> · Wash your hands after contact with animal feces. Since reptiles are

> particularly likely to have Salmonella, everyone should immediately wash

> their hands after handling reptiles. Reptiles (including turtles) are not

> appropriate pets for small children and should not be in the same house as

> an infant.

>

 

 

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Evening Morton,

 

>> To accomplish this, some resort to body piercing, for example, but this

only

>> forms another " mainstream " group in which all think alike, and so on.

 

I do see you point. Still, this other group which may be " us " , does

not have a governing body that dictates our ideas and policies.

 

Plus, we did not all go to the same school.

 

And heaven forbid anyone that might think like me.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

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There is no bottom line. I went to a natural diet doctor over 30 years ago,

who advised me to consume a raw egg yolk every couple of days in a glass of

freshly made veg. juice. I never have had the quality of health I achieved

following his diet. Later, I went to another doctor from the same school of

natural health (Hygienic dieting, strictly vegetarian, but allowing for egg

yolk raw, and a tiny amount of butter). He told me " not " to use egg yolks.

This controversy apparently is still going. There is virtually no agreement

about anything, no matter what you talk about in nutrtion. What you do

find, however, is a lot of near religious fervor pro or con, about anything

you bring up. Consuming raw egg yolk or the whole raw egg, or whatever, is

absolutely horrible, or absolutely wonderful, and every shade of opinion in

between.

You have to get used to this nonsense.

-

" lookie13 " <lookie13

 

Sunday, November 17, 2002 6:14 PM

Re: Raw Eggs, Not the whole story

 

 

ok guys - what is the bottom line - is it safe to eat raw eggs or not? I

thought according to mercola it was perfectly fine and in fact could be

quite healthy for you.

-

Morton Bodanis

Gettingwell

Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:59 PM

Re: Raw Eggs, Not the whole story

 

 

Evening Wayne

 

Be careful lest you be pilloried for being too mainstream.

 

There are people who want to portray themselves as being different from

the pack who all

think alike, to be intillectually more discerning and informed. To

accomplish this, some

resort to body piercing, for example, but this only forms another

" mainstream " group in

which all think alike, and so on.

 

Morton

 

P.S. - Of course, you could have written the article

tongue-in-cheek........ <grin>

 

Wayne Fugitt wrote:

 

> Morning Morton,

>

> >>associated with eating raw eggs. Reread the good doctor's article -

it

> is quite

> >convoluted. His article really gives good reasons for NOT eating raw

eggs.

>

> You sound like a mainstream messenger.......... <grin>

>

> I have spent some time recently researching eating raw eggs. When you

find

> any specific subject that is near 100 percent slanted in one direction,

I

> think something is missing.

>

> Below is one article I found that I sent out to my mailing list. The

first

> few lines are my comments.

>

> The subject line was..... " Do this many people EAT Raw eggs "

>

> Of course not. And.... what about all the people that do not get

> salmonella from eating the same food.

>

> The healthy body can detoxify and kill salmonella and most other food

> poisoning.

>

> ===================================

>

> This is a classic example of misinformation. Read all the reasons and

> excuses for the high number of Salmonella cases.

>

> There is not one word relative to how the healthy body and the immune

> system renders Salmonella harmless.

>

> All the people that do not get Salmonella are eating the same food as

the

> ones that get it.

>

> Read the article. I suppose lots of these people play with snakes too.

>

> Wayne

> ==========================================

>

> · Salmonella is actually a group of bacteria that can cause

diarrheal

> illness in people. Salmonella has been known to cause illness in people

for

> over 100 years.

>

> · Every year, approximately 800,000 to 4 million cases of

Salmonella

> result in 500 deaths in the United States. Children are the most likely

to

> get Salmonella. Young children, the elderly, and the immunocompromised

are

> the most likely to have severe infections.

>

> · Symptoms of Salmonella include diarrhea, fever, and abdominal

> cramps that develop 12 to 72 hours after infection. The illness usually

> lasts 4 to 7 days, and most persons recover without treatment.

>

> · If the patient becomes severely dehydrated or the infection

spreads

> from the intestines. Persons with severe diarrhea may require

rehydration,

> often with intravenous fluids. Antibiotics are not usually necessary

unless

> the infection spreads from the intestines.

>

> · Salmonella passes from the feces of people or animals, to other

> people or other animals. There are many different kinds of Salmonella

> bacteria. Salmonella serotype Typhimurium and Salmonella serotype

> Enteritidis are the most common in the United States.

>

> · Contaminated foods usually look and smell normal. Contaminated

> foods are often of animal origin, such as beef, poultry, milk, or eggs,

but

> all foods, including vegetables may become contaminated. Food may also

> become contaminated by the unwashed hands of an infected person handling

> such food.

>

> · Salmonella may also be found in the feces of some pets. Reptiles

> are particularly likely to harbor the bacteria.

>

> · Some Salmonella bacteria have become resistant to antibiotics,

> largely as a result of the use of antibiotics to promote the growth of

feed

> animals.

>

> · There is no vaccine to prevent Salmonella. Therefore, to prevent

> infection

>

> · Do not eat raw or undercooked eggs, poultry, or meat. Raw eggs

may

> be unrecognized in some foods such as homemade hollandaise sauce, caesar

> and other salad dressings, tiramisu, homemade ice cream, homemade

> mayonnaise, cookie dough, and frostings.

>

> · Poultry and meat, including hamburgers, should be well-cooked,

not

> pink in the middle. Persons also should not consume raw or unpasteurized

> milk or other dairy products. Produce should be thoroughly washed before

> consuming.

>

> · Cross-contamination of foods should be avoided. Uncooked meats

> should be keep separate from produce, cooked foods, and ready-to-eat

foods.

> Hands, cutting boards, counters, knives, and other utensils should be

> washed thoroughly after handling uncooked foods. Hand should be washed

> before handling any food, and between handling different food items.

>

> · Persons infected with Salmonella should not prepare food or pour

> water for others until they have been shown to no longer be carrying the

> Salmonella bacterium.

>

> · Wash your hands after contact with animal feces. Since reptiles

are

> particularly likely to have Salmonella, everyone should immediately wash

> their hands after handling reptiles. Reptiles (including turtles) are

not

> appropriate pets for small children and should not be in the same house

as

> an infant.

>

 

 

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Bernard Jensen suggests raw egg yolk as an excellent source for some

of the B vitamins. He suggests making an egg-nog like drink and have

it about 3X week.

 

I'm lazy, I don't separate the yolk, I just blend the entire egg.

Every now and then, maybe once every 4 - 5 dozen eggs, I'll

experience some cramping and my guess is that I've gotten an egg with

some salmonella.

 

If your in good health, the acid in your stomach will kill most

bacteria that you consume. The big problem with the salmonella scare

is that so many people in the US are in poor health as far as there

digestive system goes and their risk of having salmonella affect them

greater than a few cramps for about an hour is potentially much more

dangerous.

 

Whenever there is an e-coli outbreak from some tainted meat, why

doesn't everyone that has eatten a hamburger from the same joint

become deathly ill? Their level of health is such that the bacteria

was properly destroyed before it could do harm.

 

In the years to come, as the majority of people's health continues to

decline, mostly through ignorance, we will likely see more and more

people seriously affected by the occasional distribution of tainted

foodstuffs.

 

The big push on TV for medications for acid reflux disease suggests

to me that there is a big problem with poor digestive system health

in the US. Acid reflux is an indicator that the persons stomach acid

is not a low enough pH. A person that suffers from reflux, if eating

a burger with e-coli, or a raw egg with salmonella, is very likely to

become seriously ill. The stomach acid is not strong enough to kill

the bacteria.

 

Anyway, back to raw eggs. If your digestive system is in good health

I agree with Dr. Jensen, they're good for ya.

 

All the best,

Jim

 

Fibromyalgia: A Hypothesis of Etiology

http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html

 

 

 

Gettingwell, " John Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> wrote:

> There is no bottom line. I went to a natural diet doctor over 30

years ago,

> who advised me to consume a raw egg yolk every couple of days in a

glass of

> freshly made veg. juice. I never have had the quality of health I

achieved

> following his diet. Later, I went to another doctor from the same

school of

> natural health (Hygienic dieting, strictly vegetarian, but allowing

for egg

> yolk raw, and a tiny amount of butter). He told me " not " to use

egg yolks.

> This controversy apparently is still going. There is virtually no

agreement

> about anything, no matter what you talk about in nutrtion. What

you do

> find, however, is a lot of near religious fervor pro or con, about

anything

> you bring up. Consuming raw egg yolk or the whole raw egg, or

whatever, is

> absolutely horrible, or absolutely wonderful, and every shade of

opinion in

> between.

> You have to get used to this nonsense.

> -

> " lookie13 " <lookie13@n...>

> <Gettingwell>

> Sunday, November 17, 2002 6:14 PM

> Re: Raw Eggs, Not the whole story

>

>

> ok guys - what is the bottom line - is it safe to eat raw eggs or

not? I

> thought according to mercola it was perfectly fine and in fact

could be

> quite healthy for you.

> -

> Morton Bodanis

> Gettingwell

> Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:59 PM

> Re: Raw Eggs, Not the whole story

>

>

> Evening Wayne

>

> Be careful lest you be pilloried for being too mainstream.

>

> There are people who want to portray themselves as being

different from

> the pack who all

> think alike, to be intillectually more discerning and informed.

To

> accomplish this, some

> resort to body piercing, for example, but this only forms another

> " mainstream " group in

> which all think alike, and so on.

>

> Morton

>

> P.S. - Of course, you could have written the article

> tongue-in-cheek........ <grin>

>

> Wayne Fugitt wrote:

>

> > Morning Morton,

> >

> > >>associated with eating raw eggs. Reread the good doctor's

article -

> it

> > is quite

> > >convoluted. His article really gives good reasons for NOT

eating raw

> eggs.

> >

> > You sound like a mainstream messenger.......... <grin>

> >

> > I have spent some time recently researching eating raw eggs.

When you

> find

> > any specific subject that is near 100 percent slanted in one

direction,

> I

> > think something is missing.

> >

> > Below is one article I found that I sent out to my mailing

list. The

> first

> > few lines are my comments.

> >

> > The subject line was..... " Do this many people EAT Raw eggs "

> >

> > Of course not. And.... what about all the people that do not

get

> > salmonella from eating the same food.

> >

> > The healthy body can detoxify and kill salmonella and most

other food

> > poisoning.

> >

> > ===================================

> >

> > This is a classic example of misinformation. Read all the

reasons and

> > excuses for the high number of Salmonella cases.

> >

> > There is not one word relative to how the healthy body and the

immune

> > system renders Salmonella harmless.

> >

> > All the people that do not get Salmonella are eating the same

food as

> the

> > ones that get it.

> >

> > Read the article. I suppose lots of these people play with

snakes too.

> >

> > Wayne

> > ==========================================

> >

> > · Salmonella is actually a group of bacteria that can

cause

> diarrheal

> > illness in people. Salmonella has been known to cause illness

in people

> for

> > over 100 years.

> >

> > · Every year, approximately 800,000 to 4 million cases of

> Salmonella

> > result in 500 deaths in the United States. Children are the

most likely

> to

> > get Salmonella. Young children, the elderly, and the

immunocompromised

> are

> > the most likely to have severe infections.

> >

> > · Symptoms of Salmonella include diarrhea, fever, and

abdominal

> > cramps that develop 12 to 72 hours after infection. The illness

usually

> > lasts 4 to 7 days, and most persons recover without treatment.

> >

> > · If the patient becomes severely dehydrated or the

infection

> spreads

> > from the intestines. Persons with severe diarrhea may require

> rehydration,

> > often with intravenous fluids. Antibiotics are not usually

necessary

> unless

> > the infection spreads from the intestines.

> >

> > · Salmonella passes from the feces of people or animals,

to other

> > people or other animals. There are many different kinds of

Salmonella

> > bacteria. Salmonella serotype Typhimurium and Salmonella

serotype

> > Enteritidis are the most common in the United States.

> >

> > · Contaminated foods usually look and smell normal.

Contaminated

> > foods are often of animal origin, such as beef, poultry, milk,

or eggs,

> but

> > all foods, including vegetables may become contaminated. Food

may also

> > become contaminated by the unwashed hands of an infected person

handling

> > such food.

> >

> > · Salmonella may also be found in the feces of some

pets. Reptiles

> > are particularly likely to harbor the bacteria.

> >

> > · Some Salmonella bacteria have become resistant to

antibiotics,

> > largely as a result of the use of antibiotics to promote the

growth of

> feed

> > animals.

> >

> > · There is no vaccine to prevent Salmonella. Therefore,

to prevent

> > infection

> >

> > · Do not eat raw or undercooked eggs, poultry, or meat.

Raw eggs

> may

> > be unrecognized in some foods such as homemade hollandaise

sauce, caesar

> > and other salad dressings, tiramisu, homemade ice cream,

homemade

> > mayonnaise, cookie dough, and frostings.

> >

> > · Poultry and meat, including hamburgers, should be well-

cooked,

> not

> > pink in the middle. Persons also should not consume raw or

unpasteurized

> > milk or other dairy products. Produce should be thoroughly

washed before

> > consuming.

> >

> > · Cross-contamination of foods should be avoided.

Uncooked meats

> > should be keep separate from produce, cooked foods, and ready-

to-eat

> foods.

> > Hands, cutting boards, counters, knives, and other utensils

should be

> > washed thoroughly after handling uncooked foods. Hand should be

washed

> > before handling any food, and between handling different food

items.

> >

> > · Persons infected with Salmonella should not prepare

food or pour

> > water for others until they have been shown to no longer be

carrying the

> > Salmonella bacterium.

> >

> > · Wash your hands after contact with animal feces. Since

reptiles

> are

> > particularly likely to have Salmonella, everyone should

immediately wash

> > their hands after handling reptiles. Reptiles (including

turtles) are

> not

> > appropriate pets for small children and should not be in the

same house

> as

> > an infant.

> >

>

>

>

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I don't get it. Even if one is in good health, why tempt the fates? Surely a

person in

good health is so because he does, amongst other things, eat properly.

 

thmicom wrote:

 

> Bernard Jensen suggests raw egg yolk as an excellent source for some

> of the B vitamins. He suggests making an egg-nog like drink and have

> it about 3X week.

>

> I'm lazy, I don't separate the yolk, I just blend the entire egg.

> Every now and then, maybe once every 4 - 5 dozen eggs, I'll

> experience some cramping and my guess is that I've gotten an egg with

> some salmonella.

 

So who needs the discomfort of " some cramping " if only to consume a raw egg in

some

blended mixture. Will the raw egg really be so necessary to the gustatory

delight of

injesting this concoction an then experiencing the " some cramping " ?

 

>

>

> If your in good health, the acid in your stomach will kill most

> bacteria that you consume. The big problem with the salmonella scare

> is that so many people in the US are in poor health as far as there

> digestive system goes and their risk of having salmonella affect them

> greater than a few cramps for about an hour is potentially much more

> dangerous

 

>

>

> Whenever there is an e-coli outbreak from some tainted meat, why

> doesn't everyone that has eatten a hamburger from the same joint

> become deathly ill? Their level of health is such that the bacteria

> was properly destroyed before it could do harm.

 

Maybe it is just that the people eating tainted meat from the same joint just

cooked their

hamburger properly, and killed the bacteria, before eating it.

 

>

>

> In the years to come, as the majority of people's health continues to

> decline, mostly through ignorance, we will likely see more and more

> people seriously affected by the occasional distribution of tainted

> foodstuffs.

>

> The big push on TV for medications for acid reflux disease suggests

> to me that there is a big problem with poor digestive system health

> in the US. Acid reflux is an indicator that the persons stomach acid

> is not a low enough pH. A person that suffers from reflux, if eating

> a burger with e-coli, or a raw egg with salmonella, is very likely to

> become seriously ill. The stomach acid is not strong enough to kill

> the bacteria.

 

Reflux, or acid reflux as it is referred to, is caused mostly by eating too much

and

having a poorly function sphincter. This is not related to poor health. And it

is called

" acid " relfux because the stomach is highly acidic and so gives the burning

sensation.

Maybe the stomach acid is not strong enough, which I doubt, or maybe the stomach

is just

overwhelmed by the influx of bacteria.

 

>

>

> Anyway, back to raw eggs. If your digestive system is in good health

> I agree with Dr. Jensen, they're good for ya.

>

> All the best,

> Jim

>

 

And maybe those who insist on doing things which are potentially dangerous and

really not

necessary, are just trying to prove that they are macho. More power to them.

 

Morton

 

>

> Fibromyalgia: A Hypothesis of Etiology

> http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html

>

> Gettingwell, " John Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> wrote:

> > There is no bottom line. I went to a natural diet doctor over 30

> years ago,

> > who advised me to consume a raw egg yolk every couple of days in a

> glass of

> > freshly made veg. juice. I never have had the quality of health I

> achieved

> > following his diet. Later, I went to another doctor from the same

> school of

> > natural health (Hygienic dieting, strictly vegetarian, but allowing

> for egg

> > yolk raw, and a tiny amount of butter). He told me " not " to use

> egg yolks.

> > This controversy apparently is still going. There is virtually no

> agreement

> > about anything, no matter what you talk about in nutrtion. What

> you do

> > find, however, is a lot of near religious fervor pro or con, about

> anything

> > you bring up. Consuming raw egg yolk or the whole raw egg, or

> whatever, is

> > absolutely horrible, or absolutely wonderful, and every shade of

> opinion in

> > between.

> > You have to get used to this nonsense.

> > -

> > " lookie13 " <lookie13@n...>

> > <Gettingwell>

> > Sunday, November 17, 2002 6:14 PM

> > Re: Raw Eggs, Not the whole story

> >

> >

> > ok guys - what is the bottom line - is it safe to eat raw eggs or

> not? I

> > thought according to mercola it was perfectly fine and in fact

> could be

> > quite healthy for you.

> > -

> > Morton Bodanis

> > Gettingwell

> > Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:59 PM

> > Re: Raw Eggs, Not the whole story

> >

> >

> > Evening Wayne

> >

> > Be careful lest you be pilloried for being too mainstream.

> >

> > There are people who want to portray themselves as being

> different from

> > the pack who all

> > think alike, to be intillectually more discerning and informed.

> To

> > accomplish this, some

> > resort to body piercing, for example, but this only forms another

> > " mainstream " group in

> > which all think alike, and so on.

> >

> > Morton

> >

> > P.S. - Of course, you could have written the article

> > tongue-in-cheek........ <grin>

> >

> > Wayne Fugitt wrote:

> >

> > > Morning Morton,

> > >

> > > >>associated with eating raw eggs. Reread the good doctor's

> article -

> > it

> > > is quite

> > > >convoluted. His article really gives good reasons for NOT

> eating raw

> > eggs.

> > >

> > > You sound like a mainstream messenger.......... <grin>

> > >

> > > I have spent some time recently researching eating raw eggs.

> When you

> > find

> > > any specific subject that is near 100 percent slanted in one

> direction,

> > I

> > > think something is missing.

> > >

> > > Below is one article I found that I sent out to my mailing

> list. The

> > first

> > > few lines are my comments.

> > >

> > > The subject line was..... " Do this many people EAT Raw eggs "

> > >

> > > Of course not. And.... what about all the people that do not

> get

> > > salmonella from eating the same food.

> > >

> > > The healthy body can detoxify and kill salmonella and most

> other food

> > > poisoning.

> > >

> > > ===================================

> > >

> > > This is a classic example of misinformation. Read all the

> reasons and

> > > excuses for the high number of Salmonella cases.

> > >

> > > There is not one word relative to how the healthy body and the

> immune

> > > system renders Salmonella harmless.

> > >

> > > All the people that do not get Salmonella are eating the same

> food as

> > the

> > > ones that get it.

> > >

> > > Read the article. I suppose lots of these people play with

> snakes too.

> > >

> > > Wayne

> > > ==========================================

> > >

> > > · Salmonella is actually a group of bacteria that can

> cause

> > diarrheal

> > > illness in people. Salmonella has been known to cause illness

> in people

> > for

> > > over 100 years.

> > >

> > > · Every year, approximately 800,000 to 4 million cases of

> > Salmonella

> > > result in 500 deaths in the United States. Children are the

> most likely

> > to

> > > get Salmonella. Young children, the elderly, and the

> immunocompromised

> > are

> > > the most likely to have severe infections.

> > >

> > > · Symptoms of Salmonella include diarrhea, fever, and

> abdominal

> > > cramps that develop 12 to 72 hours after infection. The illness

> usually

> > > lasts 4 to 7 days, and most persons recover without treatment.

> > >

> > > · If the patient becomes severely dehydrated or the

> infection

> > spreads

> > > from the intestines. Persons with severe diarrhea may require

> > rehydration,

> > > often with intravenous fluids. Antibiotics are not usually

> necessary

> > unless

> > > the infection spreads from the intestines.

> > >

> > > · Salmonella passes from the feces of people or animals,

> to other

> > > people or other animals. There are many different kinds of

> Salmonella

> > > bacteria. Salmonella serotype Typhimurium and Salmonella

> serotype

> > > Enteritidis are the most common in the United States.

> > >

> > > · Contaminated foods usually look and smell normal.

> Contaminated

> > > foods are often of animal origin, such as beef, poultry, milk,

> or eggs,

> > but

> > > all foods, including vegetables may become contaminated. Food

> may also

> > > become contaminated by the unwashed hands of an infected person

> handling

> > > such food.

> > >

> > > · Salmonella may also be found in the feces of some

> pets. Reptiles

> > > are particularly likely to harbor the bacteria.

> > >

> > > · Some Salmonella bacteria have become resistant to

> antibiotics,

> > > largely as a result of the use of antibiotics to promote the

> growth of

> > feed

> > > animals.

> > >

> > > · There is no vaccine to prevent Salmonella. Therefore,

> to prevent

> > > infection

> > >

> > > · Do not eat raw or undercooked eggs, poultry, or meat.

> Raw eggs

> > may

> > > be unrecognized in some foods such as homemade hollandaise

> sauce, caesar

> > > and other salad dressings, tiramisu, homemade ice cream,

> homemade

> > > mayonnaise, cookie dough, and frostings.

> > >

> > > · Poultry and meat, including hamburgers, should be well-

> cooked,

> > not

> > > pink in the middle. Persons also should not consume raw or

> unpasteurized

> > > milk or other dairy products. Produce should be thoroughly

> washed before

> > > consuming.

> > >

> > > · Cross-contamination of foods should be avoided.

> Uncooked meats

> > > should be keep separate from produce, cooked foods, and ready-

> to-eat

> > foods.

> > > Hands, cutting boards, counters, knives, and other utensils

> should be

> > > washed thoroughly after handling uncooked foods. Hand should be

> washed

> > > before handling any food, and between handling different food

> items.

> > >

> > > · Persons infected with Salmonella should not prepare

> food or pour

> > > water for others until they have been shown to no longer be

> carrying the

> > > Salmonella bacterium.

> > >

> > > · Wash your hands after contact with animal feces. Since

> reptiles

> > are

> > > particularly likely to have Salmonella, everyone should

> immediately wash

> > > their hands after handling reptiles. Reptiles (including

> turtles) are

> > not

> > > appropriate pets for small children and should not be in the

> same house

> > as

> > > an infant.

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|Evening Morton,

 

 

>I don't get it. Even if one is in good health, why tempt the

>fates? Surely a person in good health is so because he does, amongst

>other things, eat properly.

 

Some of us then our immune system is mean enough to kill the meanest of

bacteria.

 

I don't think I posted it here, but my immune system gets tested about 10

times per week.

 

There will be a " first time " when the bacteria wins. Until then, I won't

loose any sleep over eating the raw eggs, food picked up off the floor, and

all the aflatoxin in the peanuts.

 

 

>So who needs the discomfort of " some cramping " if only to consume a raw

>egg in some blended mixture. Will the raw egg really be so necessary to

>the gustatory delight of injesting this concoction an then experiencing

>the " some cramping " ?

I have never had this problem.

 

Some of us believe the benefits outweigh the risk. Risk assessment is

something we all do many times per day. When we make a mistake we have to

live with the results.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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