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~~~ holistichell, you're so right when you say that the likes of St. John's

wort, Kava, Kava etc. is just masking the symptom and not getting to the cause.

If panic attacks are un-resolved fear, then surely all fears n' phobia's are a

result of trauma ?

i.e. a scarring of the psyche and ..... the *only way to deal with that is to

attend to the headbox itself - the seat of all suffering !.

I believe you are doing the 100% correct thing with cognitive therapy, as the

mind can make us ill, so the mind can make us well again ..... a thought is

energy, and we are all essentially energy so, incorrect thoughts over a period

of time can ..... make us ill - including getting cancer.

We have the means of Gettingwell inside us called the auto-immune system which

is weakened by .....

stress (trauma) and ...... incorrect diet !

 

Wishing you well - Ray. P.S. have you considered meditation ?

 

 

 

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Ray, what would you suggest for my friend with agoraphobia - consider please

that she does not appear to want to get better!!

 

marianne

 

 

> We have the means of Gettingwell inside us called the auto-immune system

> which is weakened by .....

> stress (trauma) and ...... incorrect diet !

>

 

 

 

 

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if she doesn't want to help herself then all the meds. n' supps. n' therapists

in the world won't be able to help her - as you know, if I remember correctly,

her probs. started when she was deserted by her man -

trauma/stress/ scarred psyche/ unresolved fear - it's all in the headbox again,

it's almost as if she needs her pain to offset the *real* pain which only one

person can alleviate ...... nuf sed.

 

Ray.

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marianne2406

Gettingwell

Sunday, September 08, 2002 8:29 PM

Re: Gettingwell .....

 

 

Ray, what would you suggest for my friend with agoraphobia - consider please

that she does not appear to want to get better!!

 

marianne

 

 

> We have the means of Gettingwell inside us called the auto-immune system

> which is weakened by .....

> stress (trauma) and ...... incorrect diet !

>

 

 

 

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Thanks for your input Frank - until the agoraphobia struck some 2 1/2 years

ago, she was not on any meds at all. She is now on a mild med (don't know

the name) for the panic attacks but does not suffer from depression at all.

Her son left home a couple of months ago and she reverted back to worse than

she was when it was first diagnosed. I had got her to go out once a week to

her mothers. She would only get into a car with my husband or I driving and

on a couple of rare ocassions, she actually drove there and back herself -

the second time there was a little traffic jam and she couldn't cope.

 

I have given her a list of supplements that would help her, I have offered to

take her to her mothers when she is ready - she really does not want to go

out and to be honest she is doing nothing to help herself - I have sent her

at least 2 different forums where she could chat with other people in the

same position and she will not contact any of them. I hardly get any emails

from her now, she just wants total seclusion. The only time I get mail from

her in the last 3 weeks is to ask me to get something at the shop for her.

 

I will send her the web site but I don't hold out any hope that she will even

look at it.

 

marianne

 

 

> Agoraphobia is common when taking psychotropic medications,

> especially if they have reached tolerance or are coming off of them.

> You may want to ask your friend, what medicines she has been taking

> at any time during the last year.

>

> This condition usually has a biochemical basis, because of low levels

> of some needed nutients, it usually responds with nutrition. Niacin

> is one nutrient used. There are others.

>

> The prescribed pharmacuetical meds like benzodiazapines,

> antidepressants, and the major tranquilizers as well as others, mask

> the problem, but cause much more imbalance in the long run. If she

> has been taking any of these type meds, it us such a severe

> maladjustment to the brain, that it takes, usually a year to a year

> and a half to right the brain chemically and readjust to normal.

>

> There are many sites covering this condition. A very good place to

> start is at: http://doctoryourself.com

>

> You can also do a search on the damage caused by these meds mentioned

> above.

>

> Let me know if you need further information.

>

 

 

 

 

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It was work that seemed to start the problems, they kept moving everyone into

different teams and into different areas, you know what these big public

companies are like, and she just got to the point where she didn't know if

she would be in the same department the next day when she went into work -

and eventually she flipped, at work, and her colleague had to drive her home

- that was the last time she worked. It was her son leaving that sent her

backwards again - she does not cope well with anything that is beyond her

control, whilst she is in control of something it is fine.

 

However, her man did leave her a few years earlier and it could well be that

which started it all.

 

I just don't understand how she would rather be in the house, doing

absolutely nothing, on her own and pennyless - I must be missing something

here I think.

 

marianne

 

 

> if she doesn't want to help herself then all the meds. n' supps. n'

> therapists in the world won't be able to help her - as you know, if I

> remember correctly, her probs. started when she was deserted by her man -

> trauma/stress/ scarred psyche/ unresolved fear - it's all in the headbox

> again, it's almost as if she needs her pain to offset the *real* pain which

> only one person can alleviate ...... nuf sed.

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Marianne,

 

Agoraphobia is common when taking psychotropic medications,

especially if they have reached tolerance or are coming off of them.

You may want to ask your friend, what medicines she has been taking

at any time during the last year.

 

This condition usually has a biochemical basis, because of low levels

of some needed nutients, it usually responds with nutrition. Niacin

is one nutrient used. There are others.

 

The prescribed pharmacuetical meds like benzodiazapines,

antidepressants, and the major tranquilizers as well as others, mask

the problem, but cause much more imbalance in the long run. If she

has been taking any of these type meds, it us such a severe

maladjustment to the brain, that it takes, usually a year to a year

and a half to right the brain chemically and readjust to normal.

 

There are many sites covering this condition. A very good place to

start is at: http://doctoryourself.com

 

You can also do a search on the damage caused by these meds mentioned

above.

 

Let me know if you need further information.

 

Frank

 

 

Gettingwell, marianne2406@a... wrote:

> Ray, what would you suggest for my friend with agoraphobia -

consider please

> that she does not appear to want to get better!!

>

> marianne

>

>

>

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