Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 So the question what is the nature of " transform " . What is it being transformed into? Or is this just an unfortunate translation? Doug According to Steve Clavey, this is quite incorrect. Clavey reiterates over and over again in his " Fluid Physiology in TCM " that pathogens can NEVER be turned back into vital essences. They must be transformed and removed. > it turns the phlegm back into Yin rather than actually expelling the > phlegm. So, this herb cools the substantial fire and transforms the > phlegm back into yin. > > I've never heard this specifically expressed this way. Am I trippng? Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2001 Report Share Posted February 12, 2001 I think it's difficult when we see the word " transform " without the character and pin yin. If we look at " transform " in the Wiseman Dictionary, it states (hua, 4th tone; i'm unable to write the character). Regardless, he translates hua as " Change, usually of a gentle or gradual nature in relative contrast to transmutation, sudden or major change. Transformation implies progressive (productive) and regressive (destructive) change, and in the former case is frequently rendered as formation...transforming phlegm refers to a method of treatment to eliminate phlegm, ie. regressive change. As for transforming phlegm (hua, 4th tone, tan 2nd tone), he says it's " any method of treatment used to eliminate phlegm gently. And it takes on different forms depending on the location and cause. If there is phlegm in the lung causing cough, it is treated by TRANSFORMING PHLEGM AND SUPPRESSING COUGH. " As to what it ends up being transformed into, I'm still unsure. I would postulate that it is made into a more pliable substance, that the body is better able to eliminate. I too also learned that a pathological substance can never be transformed back into a healthy substrate. However, a question comes up for me, which is semi-related to the above. I have been taught that Ge gen, radix puerariae, has the function of " nourishing the fluids and alleviating thirst, for thirst due to stomach heat. Especially appropriate in cases of externally-contracted heat. " I learned that it doesn't exactly NOURISH the fluids, but that it has the ability to take fluids (perhaps from the middle jiao) up to the throat and mouth (due to its ascending nature) thus alleviating thirst. Does anyone agree? And if so, is it taking the fluids that should naturally ascend up to the upper jiao to " nourish " or are we dealing with fluids that are pathologically not where they should be, and ge gen helps re-distribute these to their appropriate places? you would probably disagree with the latter if we believe that pathological substances can not be used in this way. Any comments? Thanks, Kim --- wrote: > So the question what is the nature of " transform " . > What is it being transformed into? > Or is this just an unfortunate translation? > > Doug > > > According to Steve Clavey, this is quite incorrect. > Clavey reiterates > over and over again in his " Fluid Physiology in TCM " > that pathogens can > NEVER be turned back into vital essences. They must > be transformed and > removed. > > > it turns the phlegm back into Yin rather than > actually expelling the > > phlegm. So, this herb cools the substantial fire > and transforms the > > phlegm back into yin. > > > > I've never heard this specifically expressed this > way. Am I trippng? > > > Al > > Get personalized email addresses from Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2001 Report Share Posted February 13, 2001 Doug, The word hua, to transform, as in " transform phlegm, " also means to melt. Phlegm is congealed fluids. Medicinals which transform phlegm melt these congealed fluids so that they can then be excreted via the normal channels of fluid metabolism. At least this is how I understand the effect of phlegm-transforming medicinals. Since phlegm is typically not directly congealed from righteous fluids but is more often congealed from damp evils, when this phlegm is melted or transformed, these damp evils still need to be eliminated from the body. Ergo, the inclusion of Fu Ling (Poria) in Er Chen Tang. Bob Flaws > [Original Message] > > > 2/12/2001 8:50:11 AM > Re: Digest Number 487 > > So the question what is the nature of " transform " . What is it being transformed into? > Or is this just an unfortunate translation? > > Doug > > > According to Steve Clavey, this is quite incorrect. Clavey reiterates > over and over again in his " Fluid Physiology in TCM " that pathogens can > NEVER be turned back into vital essences. They must be transformed and > removed. > > > it turns the phlegm back into Yin rather than actually expelling the > > phlegm. So, this herb cools the substantial fire and transforms the > > phlegm back into yin. > > > > I've never heard this specifically expressed this way. Am I trippng? > > > Al > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > Bob Flaws Blue Poppy Enterprises, Inc. " Medical Style of A New Generation " bobflaws 5441 Western Ave., #2 Boulder, CO 80301 USA Tel. 303-447-8372 Fax 303-245-8362 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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