Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 07:46 AM, mrsjoguest wrote: > Monounsaturated fatty acids > do not have cholesterol, This is a shame because cholesterol is a basic building block of the body. Without cholesterol we would dissolve in the shower. Cholesterol is GOOD!!!! Cholesterol is not fatal. If you eat a lot of cholesterol it's ok because your body just makes less. Did you know that 80% of the cholesterol in your blood stream YOU MANUFACTURED! Only 20% comes from what you've been eating. There has never been a direct link to high levels of cholesterol and ANY type of problems in the human body. None. The pharmaceutical companies have made cholesterol into a boogie man to get you to buy their cholesterol lowering drugs and it's worked well for them. It's about their #3 money maker. High levels of LDL (low density lipoprotein) cholesterol has been associated with heart disease, stroke and the dreaded Syndrome X. However, no direct links to the above diseases has been proved. Now, if you understand human bio-chemistry you know what is going on. Intake of carbohydrates raises insulin. Especially with the current government recommendations for a high carbohydrate diet, our systems are awash with insulin on a constant basis. Another good reason for so much diabetes. Please note that fat and protein have almost no effect on insulin production. In the presence of insulin, the enzyme HMG Co-A Reductase is formed and in the presence of HMG Co-A Reductase, cholesterol is manufactured NON-STOP. The drugs the pharmaceutical industry is getting so rich off of (Statins) do one thing: prevent the production of HMG Co-A Reductase. Why take these dangerous drugs when simply by reducing or eliminating carbohydrates from your diet will do the same thing safely AND get rid of any excess fat you may have hanging on your body? There are plenty of books out there that go into detail on this. You might pick up a laymans book like Atkins New Diet Revolution or Protein Power. You might pick up something a little more difficult (and more for body builders) like Lyle McDonalds The Ketogenic Diet. Or you might sit down with Guytons Textbook of Human Physiology and a Biochemistry book and put all these pieces together yourself. Either way, yes monosat fats are better than the others but not because of their lack of cholesterol or their cholesterol lowering properties. Sorry if this was a rant but I'm tired of this pharmaceutical company manufactured boogie man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2002 Report Share Posted August 25, 2002 Gary, I crossed this article this week http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml;jsessionid=TSMUFNGCX5LKKCRBAEKSFFA?typ\ e=healthnews & StoryID=1357737 and thought you may be interested in this research if you are not already aware of it. I have a friend who suffered from arthritis in both legs where there had been previous severe injuries and a lot of corrective surgeries (bad car accident years ago). They went on Atkins, lost a significant amount of weight, and have not had much arthritic problems since, thinking the weight loss was the main contributor to their improvement. - Gary Green Gettingwell Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:50 PM Re: Cholesterol, Carbohydrates, HMG Co-A Reductase and the Pharma Boogie Man On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 07:46 AM, mrsjoguest wrote: > Monounsaturated fatty acids > do not have cholesterol, This is a shame because cholesterol is a basic building block of the body. Without cholesterol we would dissolve in the shower. Cholesterol is GOOD!!!! Cholesterol is not fatal. If you eat a lot of cholesterol it's ok because your body just makes less. Did you know that 80% of the cholesterol in your blood stream YOU MANUFACTURED! Only 20% comes from what you've been eating. There has never been a direct link to high levels of cholesterol and ANY type of problems in the human body. None. The pharmaceutical companies have made cholesterol into a boogie man to get you to buy their cholesterol lowering drugs and it's worked well for them. It's about their #3 money maker. High levels of LDL (low density lipoprotein) cholesterol has been associated with heart disease, stroke and the dreaded Syndrome X. However, no direct links to the above diseases has been proved. Now, if you understand human bio-chemistry you know what is going on. Intake of carbohydrates raises insulin. Especially with the current government recommendations for a high carbohydrate diet, our systems are awash with insulin on a constant basis. Another good reason for so much diabetes. Please note that fat and protein have almost no effect on insulin production. In the presence of insulin, the enzyme HMG Co-A Reductase is formed and in the presence of HMG Co-A Reductase, cholesterol is manufactured NON-STOP. The drugs the pharmaceutical industry is getting so rich off of (Statins) do one thing: prevent the production of HMG Co-A Reductase. Why take these dangerous drugs when simply by reducing or eliminating carbohydrates from your diet will do the same thing safely AND get rid of any excess fat you may have hanging on your body? There are plenty of books out there that go into detail on this. You might pick up a laymans book like Atkins New Diet Revolution or Protein Power. You might pick up something a little more difficult (and more for body builders) like Lyle McDonalds The Ketogenic Diet. Or you might sit down with Guytons Textbook of Human Physiology and a Biochemistry book and put all these pieces together yourself. Either way, yes monosat fats are better than the others but not because of their lack of cholesterol or their cholesterol lowering properties. Sorry if this was a rant but I'm tired of this pharmaceutical company manufactured boogie man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2002 Report Share Posted August 26, 2002 On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 11:08 PM, Mary Hysmith wrote: > They went on Atkins, lost a significant amount of weight, and have not > had much arthritic problems since, thinking the weight loss was the > main contributor to their improvement. I've had patients who you would never have thought of as fat (local singer here in Malaysia, skinny and very cute) and she lost some weight via low carb and exercise and all her spinal pains disappeared. Fancy that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2002 Report Share Posted August 26, 2002 On Sunday, August 25, 2002, at 11:08 PM, Mary Hysmith wrote: > They went on Atkins, lost a significant amount of weight, and have not > had much arthritic problems since, thinking the weight loss was the > main contributor to their improvement. I've had patients who you would never have thought of as fat (local singer here in Malaysia, skinny and very cute) and she lost some weight via low carb and exercise and all her spinal pains disappeared. Fancy that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2002 Report Share Posted August 27, 2002 Gettingwell, Gary Green <limbsw@p...> wrote: Monounsaturated Oils (Olive Oil) & their Cholesterol Lowering Benefits On Thursday, August 22, 2002, at 07:46 AM, mrsjoguest wrote: Monounsaturated fatty acids do not have cholesterol, This is a shame because cholesterol is a basic building block of the body. It's a shame that Olive oil does not have cholesterol? " Cholesterol is the starting material for the synthesis of adrenal hormones. The body must have cholesterol to make Vital Hormones,... pituitary hormones, adrenal hormones, DHEA, pregnenolone and sex hormones, including estrogen--female hormones, and testosterone--male hormones. So true! HDL is the building block¡ AND the basis of all our hormones! Yikes! There goes that testosterone, guys¡º Without cholesterol we would dissolve in the shower. Yikes! º Cholesterol is GOOD!!!! Absolutely!! The name of it is HDL¨. Cholesterol is not fatal. This is a variable. At times it can be¡if your arteries are not healthy! IMHO there are absolutely NO guarantees here! If you eat a lot of cholesterol it's ok because your body just makes less. Depends on the types and quantity of the foods you're eating¡ AND if your liver IS metabolizing it properly. WE can't expect to put our bodies on overload, w/o experiencing problems. If one has arterial blockages whatever the reasons behind those blockages, it is my experience that one has to cut down while rebuilding their health in these areas. While certain saturated fats may not hurt a healthy individual, the elimination of various heavy fats may very well be the difference between life and death for those who are already ill with life-threatening problems. ¡Blood Curdles Are Formed by Oxidative Injury¡¨ Oxidants, like adrenaline, damage ( " cook " ) proteins, fats, and sugars in the blood and tissues just as heat cooks meat. Some oxidants are produced in the body naturally as a part of metabolism while others enter the body with water, food, and air. Examples of oxidants are free radicals (such as hydrogen peroxide), adrenaline, tobacco smoke, excess iron and copper. Antioxidants not only prevent blood curdling, but under certain conditions can " uncurdle " recently formed soft microclots. The nutritional villain of the heart is sugar, not cholesterol. Thus, a rational program for heart disease must seek to (1) prevent formation of microclots and microplaques in the circulating blood (with prayer and meditation, optimal hydration, proper choices in the kitchen, and with heart-smart nutrients and herbs for restoring the battered bowel-blood-liver ecosystems; and (2) improve the flow characteristics of the circulating blood with heart-smart nutrients and herbs, exercise and EDTA chelation. Did you know that 80% of the cholesterol in your blood stream YOU MANUFACTURED! Only 20% comes from what you've been eating. Absolutely!! *** ¡All tissues synthesize cholesterol but only the cholesterol PRODUCED in the LIVER REACHES THE BLOOD! The remaining 20 percent comes from dietary sources. If blood cholesterol rises above a certain level, the excess is converted into bile and excreted in the stool. Blood cells are formed in the Bone Marrow from existing Cholesterol stores.¡¨ Allopathic medicine would have us to believe that *dietary* cholesterol is the problem when actually there is no basis for this belief. It is my opinion and from what I have been able to ascertain from the articles I¡¦ve read by the experts¡studies have shown that Dietary Cholesterol does NOT in any way contribute to arterial blockages. Only that which is processed in the liver passes into the bloodstream and as you say the liver (IF it is doing its job!) just tends to assimilate only what we actually need at the moment!. There has never been a direct link to high levels of cholesterol and ANY type of problems in the human body. None. The cholesterol can be a contributing factor, like I say it depends on numerous other factors such as the health of your liver¡etc. However most cardiovascular blockages are due to other factors such as an overabundance of free-radicals from our foods and environmental. Arterial health also plays a vital part in the whole scenario. This is where antioxidants come in. It¡¦s not the cholesterol itself that kills,¡ its the free radicals that enter the body from various processed foods (i.e. hydrogenated fats, etc) and our totally toxic environment! " We now know that cholesterol contributes to heart disease ONLY when it is oxidized or subjected to * free radical* damage! Cholesterol DAMAGE OCCURS when *free radicals* are taken up by white blood cells " Macrophages " and deposited in " fatty streaks " on artery walls. This fosters *plaque* buildup in the arteries and is the key in the development of heart disease! " The pharmaceutical companies have made cholesterol into a boogie man to get you to buy their cholesterol lowering drugs and it's worked well for them. It's about their #3 money maker. With this, I would have to agree. Apparently they have coined this phrase in order to sell their drugs. Everyone is familiar with this phrase. Right or wrong, it seems to be the determining factor. Allopathic medicine reigns supreme. :-) High levels of LDL (low density lipoprotein) cholesterol has been associated with heart disease, stroke and the dreaded Syndrome X. However, no direct links to the above diseases has been proved. Now, if you understand human bio-chemistry you know what is going on. Intake of carbohydrates raises insulin. Studies have shown that refined sugar and processed simple carbs are additional prime factors in arterial blockage. It depends on which health issues one is experiencing at the moment. One set of dietary requirements do NOT fit all! I agree, Insulin is quite an important issue for diabetics, however IMHO cardio problems require quite a different approach! I¡¦m not advocating high carb diets for anyone either. If one is going to do carbs, complex carbs is the way to go! They do not tend to raise insulin levels! There is a vast difference in the two! ¡§The nutritional villain of the heart is sugar, not cholesterol.¡¨ Thus, a rational program for heart disease must seek to (1) prevent formation of microclots and microplaques in the circulating blood ( optimal hydration, proper choices in the kitchen, and with heart-smart nutrients and herbs for restoring the battered bowel-blood-liver ecosystems; (2) improve the flow characteristics of the circulating blood with heart-smart nutrients and herbs, exercise and EDTA chelation. Especially with the current government recommendations for a high carbohydrate diet, our systems are awash with insulin on a constant basis. Another good reason for so much diabetes. ¡§Please note that fat and protein have almost no effect on insulin production.¡¨ Who cares what the government (FDA) is recommending? We are not puppets! We all know they are currently controlled by ¡§special interests¡¨! However--- studies have shown that the type of fat and protein one ingests can have irrevocable consequences for those of us who are afflicted with ongoing atheriosclerosis! In the presence of insulin, the enzyme HMG Co-A Reductase is formed and in the presence of HMG Co-A Reductase, cholesterol is manufactured NON-STOP. The drugs the pharmaceutical industry is getting so rich off of (Statins) do one thing: prevent the production of HMG Co-A Reductase. Why take these dangerous drugs when simply by reducing or eliminating carbohydrates from your diet will do the same thing safely AND get rid of any excess fat you may have hanging on your body? I totally agree, why do Statins? There is absolutely no reason at all to take them, When we all know it is controversial even whether *dietary* cholesterol is a factor! Plus, if you read the fine print on the media ads, it says that they do NOT Prevent heart attacks!!! Quite ironic, in my mind! There are plenty of books out there that go into detail on this. You might pick up a laymans book like Atkins New Diet Revolution or Protein Power. You might pick up something a little more difficult (and more for body builders) like Lyle McDonalds The Ketogenic Diet. Or you might sit down with Guytons Textbook of Human Physiology and a Biochemistry book and put all these pieces together yourself. Dr. Atkins has had so many health problems that I find it impossible to believe his theories! Were you aware that he himself recently suffered a major heart attack and other Recurring problems in recent years? So much for his high protein diet theories!! Each to his own! Ketogenic diets? One can read so many articles to the contrary. Ketogenic diets foster irreversible kidney disease. As you say, however, it is a personal choice. Either way, yes monosat fats are better than the others but not because of their lack of cholesterol or their cholesterol lowering properties. Monosaturated fats are better, I agree! Unfortunately, I survived numerous heart attacks before I realized this. Evidently, I made the right choice. I recovered!! After all, it¡¦s a choice, isn¡¦t it?! If I¡¦m going to play around with a life, it¡¦s definitely not going to be mine! After all the rhetoric, that¡¦s the bottom line, isn¡¦t it now? Sorry if this was a rant but I'm tired of this pharmaceutical company manufactured boogie man. WE all tend to do this at times! LOL I agree¡ Pharmaceuticals are not the answer! ¡Fats, as any nutritionist will tell you, come in three groups. These are saturated fats (found in meat, butter, cheese, sugar and chocolate), which raise blood cholesterol levels; polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats (from olives and avocadoes), which lower cholesterol.¡¨ Monounsaturated fatty acids do NOT have cholesterol, and olive oil contains 56 to 83 percent of these acids, also called " oleic " acids. Proportions of Fats in Common Cooking Oils Monounsaturated¡Polyunsaturated-- Saturated Olive Oil: Monounsaturated, 82% Polyunsaturated, 8% Saturated 10% Polyphenols... Olive oil has more good fats (HDL) " good cholesterol " per Tblsp than any other cooking or salad oil! A study at Stanford shows that polyphenols in olive oil lowers blood pressure! A particular association has been reported between certain *Polyphenols* found in Olive Oil and the lowering of blood pressure! In the study, scientists examined 76 middle aged men with high blood pressure. 3 Tblsp a day lowered systolic pressure by 9 points and diastolic pressure by 6 points! " Fats that heal, fats that kill " by Udo Urasmus. Ph.d. (Alive books) All the Very Best to You! JoAnn Guest angelpri- Friendsforhea- DietaryTi- http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Fats.html http://www.geocities.com/mrsjoguest/Goodcholesterol.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2002 Report Share Posted August 28, 2002 On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 02:48 AM, angelprincessjo wrote: > Cholesterol is not fatal. > > This is a variable. > At times it can be¡if your arteries are not healthy! > IMHO there are absolutely NO guarantees here! Cholesterol is not fatal. The culprit with plaquing looks to be LipoProtien A. > If you eat a lot of cholesterol > it's ok because your body just makes less. > > Depends on the types and quantity of the foods you're eating > AND if your liver IS metabolizing it properly. All things being normal, eat more and produce less. > > The nutritional villain of the heart is sugar, not cholesterol. Yep. Eat less carbos. > If blood cholesterol rises above a certain level, > the excess is converted into bile and excreted in the stool. Converted in bile? Care to educate me on that one? I thought the only place bile was manufactured with the liver. > It¡¦s not the cholesterol itself that kills,¡ > its the free radicals that enter the body from various processed > foods (i.e. hydrogenated fats, etc) and our totally > toxic environment! > " We now know that cholesterol contributes to heart disease ONLY when > it is oxidized or subjected to * free radical* damage! I like Dr. Mathias Rath's thinking that says an inadequate intake of Vit C doesn't allow the manufacture of enough collagen to repair damage to the arteries and allows the plaquing to begin. > > It depends on which health issues one is experiencing at the moment. > One set of dietary requirements do NOT fit all! No but there is a basic human physiology that doesn't change. Carbs are completely optional and should be kept to a minimum. > If one is going to do carbs, > complex carbs is the way to go! They do not tend to raise insulin > levels! That is a false statement. Whether absorbed fast or slowly, they raise insulin. > Thus, a rational program for heart disease must seek to > (1) prevent formation of microclots and microplaques in the > circulating > blood > ( optimal hydration, proper choices in the kitchen, > and with heart-smart nutrients and herbs for restoring the > battered bowel-blood-liver ecosystems; > (2) improve the flow > characteristics of the circulating blood with heart-smart nutrients > and herbs, exercise and EDTA chelation. I don't know about you but I don't have time to worry about all this. Eat your protein and fat, lots of veggies and take lots of vitamins and minerals and especially lots of vit. C. > We all know they are currently controlled by > ¡§special interests¡¨! Currently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2002 Report Share Posted August 28, 2002 Gettingwell, Gary Green <limbsw@p...> wrote: > Cholesterol Damage--Effective Nutrients On Wednesday, August 28, 2002, at 02:48 AM, <The culprit with plaquing looks to be <LipoProtien A. ƒº Triglycerides play a vital role in plaquing also right along with LDL cholesterol and lipoprotein A. High glucose levels contribute to blood stickiness which promotes clumping and clotting. Excess Iron and Calcium have been said to play a part also. Many arterial deposits especially in older menopausal women when analyzed are determined to be calcium¡ Those found in older men are determined to be excessive iron deposits. > If you eat a lot of cholesterol > it's ok because your body just makes less. This is invariably true, IF you are a *normal* healthy young person. Most of us on the list do not quite fall into that category! ƒº > > Depends on the types and quantity of the foods you're eating > AND if your liver IS metabolizing it properly. we can¡¦t expect supplements to work miracles. We have to give them good foods to work with. Some think that supplements offset the damage of processed foods. I would question that, actually! It is not until I started eating properly that I reversed my many health issues. <All things being normal, eat more and produce less. SO¡Which foods are you advocating, may I ask. We can rest assured that if we eat a diet high in hydrogenated fats and animal proteins we will still be making an abundance of the LDLs. Mary Ruth Swope, Ph.D. renowned nutritionist, asserts that the body has a major problem metabolizing any form of hydrogenated fat. She claims that hydrogenated fat takes well over thirty days to get through the body. The reason being they are unnatural fats not recognized by the body as food! > If blood cholesterol rises above a certain level, > the excess is converted into bile and excreted in the stool. <Converted in bile? Care to educate me on that one? I thought the only <place bile was manufactured with the liver. Absolutely. This was a quote from a very reliable source. It is taken from the book ¡§Aging without Growing Old¡¨, by Judy Lindbergh McFarland, written with her son Douglas Walter McFarland, M.D. Here is the entire text taken from her book: Cholesterol: The Good and the Bad Since 1950, a number or researchers have reported that people with high blood levels of a certain kind of fat did not get heart attacks. In fact, this fat, a kind of cholesterol, is so good for you that it greatly diminishes your chances of having a heart attack. It is a fat-protein combination referred to as high-density lipoproteins (HDLs). In contrast, research reveals that people with high levels of another fat-protein combination called low-density lipoproteins (LDLs) were almost certain to have heart attacks. It is postulated that HDLs help protect against heart attacks in two ways. They appear to interfere with the cells ability to take in unwanted LDLs, thus stopping the buildup of fatty deposits that can cause atherosclerosis and heart attacks. And the necessary HDLs aid the body in excereting excess cholesterol.¡¨ H. Loomis, writing in Science, described the HDLs as garbage collectors that sweep up arterial cholesterol and takes it to the liver where it can be cleared from the body in the form of bile, which is then lost in the feces.¡¨ > " We now know that cholesterol contributes to heart disease ONLY when > it is oxidized or subjected to * free radical* damage! <I like Dr. Mathias Rath's thinking that says an inadequate intake of <Vit <C doesn't allow the manufacture of enough collagen to repair damage <to <the arteries and allows the plaquing to begin. Rath and Pauling states that the main risk factor is the instability of the vessel wall as a consequence of vitamin *C* deficiency. Impressive, but just the start. There are others. Dr. Karl Folkers, professor at the University of Texas has been recognized as the leading researcher in CoQ10. Ubiquinol 10 or vitamin Q¡is now being called a ¡§miracle nutrient¡¨ by many. It is an essential component of the metabolic process involved in energy (ATP) production. Research shows that Vitamin E, Magnesium, Beta-carotene, Co-enzyme Q10 and Bioflavonoids and Essential Fatty Acids (Norwegian fish oils) reduce blood platelet adhesions. Vitamin C is not that effective unless combined with bioflavonoids in the form of Rosehips or Acerola Berry. Rosehips has 60 times more vitamin C than ascorbic acid!! Vitamin E also normalizes blood platelet adhesion and reduces the interaction of platelets within the artery walls. We must not forget about vitamin E! Although cholesterol is essential for the normal functioning of our bodies, we need to make sure we have adequate levels of the valuable HDLs. The next time you have a blood test, ask the doctor to measure not just your cholesterol levels, but the ratio of HDLs to LDLs. 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