Guest guest Posted July 26, 2002 Report Share Posted July 26, 2002 so what do you all know about alkaline water? i was in an " oxygen bar " recently... and the woman behind the counter mentioned that " cancer cannot survive in an alkaline environment " I've heard of the machines for making alkaline water (vs. acid water, useful for other things)... wondering if anyone has one, uses the water, etc. thanks, jody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 Dear Jody, Hi! I have a system that I've been using for over a year. It involves a filtering process which neutralizes the ph of the water bringing it to a ph of just above 7, which is very close to the ph of the human body (Or what the human body should be:) Here are 2 links that explain more about the water derived from this system: http://www.farinfrared.com/PiMagBoger.htm http://www.e-nikken.com/pimag/pimag.htm A friend of mine was able to reduce his blood sugar meds after the 1st 10 days of drinking this water. It has a great, clean flavor. I never used to drink water, I was a Coca Cola drinker (sigh) but i've since switched to mostly water. Hope this info helps. P.S. I'm new to the group so I should say hi to everyone also. I've been lurking for a couple of weeks but haven't posted anything yet. I work at a health food store and am just now going to begin a correspondence course in nutrition and holistic health. I lost a sister to melanoma 2 years ago and a step-sister to colon cancer 2 months after that. It's changed my life and I want to be able to help other people live healthier lives. ~Beth - jodamode Gettingwell Friday, July 26, 2002 10:51 PM alkaline water so what do you all know about alkaline water? i was in an " oxygen bar " recently... and the woman behind the counter mentioned that " cancer cannot survive in an alkaline environment " I've heard of the machines for making alkaline water (vs. acid water, useful for other things)... wondering if anyone has one, uses the water, etc. thanks, jody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2002 Report Share Posted July 28, 2002 Welcome to the List Beth, & I wish you great health! Vache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2002 Report Share Posted August 2, 2002 jodamode wrote: > so what do you all know about alkaline water? > i was in an " oxygen bar " recently... and the woman behind the counter > mentioned that " cancer cannot survive in an alkaline environment " > Wow! Does the scietific community know? Should we not tell them? > > I've heard of the machines for making alkaline water (vs. acid water, useful > for other things)... Like what, curing athlete's foot? Morton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2002 Report Share Posted August 2, 2002 In a message dated 08/02/2002 4:01:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gettingwell writes: < so what do you all know about alkaline water? > i was in an " oxygen bar " recently... and the woman behind the counter > mentioned that " cancer cannot survive in an alkaline environment " > Wow! Does the scietific community know? Should we not tell them? >> This information about oxygen and cancer is, pretty much, all over the internet and yes, it is a scientific fact. Jo " There will come a time when we will sit down to the banquet of our consequences. " Robert Louis Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2002 Report Share Posted August 4, 2002 I posted a question that I did not see come through and turned off my mail and bounced me etc. I asked where can one obtain alkaline water. Are there brand names that sell it. I have hard water can I add something like baking soda to alkanize it? I always thought drinking apple cider vinegar was good isnt that an acid? thanks sharon - JoOhio1 Gettingwell Friday, August 02, 2002 3:23 PM Re: alkaline water In a message dated 08/02/2002 4:01:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gettingwell writes: < so what do you all know about alkaline water? > i was in an " oxygen bar " recently... and the woman behind the counter > mentioned that " cancer cannot survive in an alkaline environment " > Wow! Does the scietific community know? Should we not tell them? >> This information about oxygen and cancer is, pretty much, all over the internet and yes, it is a scientific fact. Jo " There will come a time when we will sit down to the banquet of our consequences. " Robert Louis Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2002 Report Share Posted August 6, 2002 You can buy food grade peroxide to oxyenate your water. There's one brand...Penta...which, I believe, is oxygenated. The best thing to do is to get some pH paper and test your own body's alkalinity/acidity. Then you should read up on the foods which affect pH. This measurement of acid/alkaline is the difference between health and illness! One book that is very informative is Bob Barefoot's, " Death by Diet. " It's not the only book on this topic, however. If you just put the words acid and alkaline in a search engine, you will see how many doctors and scientists have confirmed the validity of this simple measurement of health. It's common knowledge, but is lost in the information on health because it's too easy and you don't need a doctor to do it. Jo " There will come a time when we will sit down to the banquet of our consequences. " Robert Louis Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2002 Report Share Posted August 6, 2002 you can add organic lemonjuice from fresh sqeezed lemons. Although they are acidic your body digest them and turn it very alkiline. Their is a water out there and I buy it on occasion. I can't remember the name right now but I will find out for you sunmyzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2002 Report Share Posted August 7, 2002 Thanks so much Jo for filling me in and the recommendations. Much appreciated. sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 I researched the Harmony machine.....talked to many customers. The machines don't last very long, lots of replacing of parts. I'm waiting for Proton Labs to come out with their home version. They've got the best track record. All the companies producing alkaline water use their industrial size machines, and have created one that produces a water with the pH of 13 that is now being used in hospitals. If anyone purchases one of the machines at this site (below) please keep in touch and tell me your feelings on it. David In a message dated 6/9/2008 12:15:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gaiacita writes: I went to a showing of that expensive Japanese Kangan water machine. It sounded impressive, and so was the price. I do believe in alkaline water, so I was researching and came up with this site. Of course--who do you believe? The Kangan guy said that all other companies machines did work, but none worked as good as theirs, nor lasted as long. This site (link below) says differently. But, if someone was wanting a good alkalizing machine, this seems very good, too, and much better in price. I'd like to get one eventually because from reading here it sounds better than the Kangen. http://www.waterforlifeusa.com/ Samala, ReneeGet trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Well, that's good to know. I won't be buying one any time soon, so maybe by then the company you like will bring theirs out. Guess there's not a big need for high alkalinity as I was told you shouldn't drink anything above a 10 anyway. I was just interested in the alkaline side, but after the demo I witnessed I can see where the acid side would have many uses, also. Then Kangan I saw took up a lot of counter space, and had hoses running everywhere--pretty ugly. I much prefer something that can be installed under the sink and hidden away. Samala, Renee ---- I researched the Harmony machine.....talked to many customers. The machines don't last very long, lots of replacing of parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 The Enagic Kangen machine produces water at pH 2.5, 4.5, 5, 5.5, 7, , 8.5, 9, 9.5, and 11.5. There must be an incoming water line, and two exit water lines, one acid, one alkaline. In the ionization process. an equal amount of acid and alkaline ions are produced and must me tapped off at opposite end to achieve the ion concentration.The Enagic machine is expensive, roughly $4000. It is unconditionally guaranteed for 5 years, and has a life expectancy of 15 years. At that time you can send it in for refurbishment. Cost $600, and it will last another 15 years (if the planet is still here!).I have been using mine for about 6 weeks. I got the water from my sponsor for 6 weeks previously. No one want to spend that kind of money w/o a good, long try-out first. I examined a lot of CD's and DVD's before I bought mine.Some of the other machines have coral calcium of some other such mineral to lower the pH. It is all by ionization in the Enagic. Polycarbonate bottles have a number of 7 or greater on the bottom. Bottles w/ a 3 or 4 on the bottom are PVC and will leach xenoestrogens into your drinking water.The ions will dissipate w/in a few days, and so you must drink the water relatively fresh.I have more information on CD's and DVD's. This is about as much as I can say here, since the subject was brought up. If you want more information, send me a private email, and don't clog up the group w/ posts about a particular item.Michael L Goebel, DC, ACN--- On Mon, 6/9/08, Gaiacita <gaiacita wrote:Gaiacita <gaiacitaRe: Re: Alkaline wateroleander soup Date: Monday, June 9, 2008, 12:53 PM Well, that's good to know. I won't be buying one any time soon, so maybe by then the company you like will bring theirs out. Guess there's not a big need for high alkalinity as I was told you shouldn't drink anything above a 10 anyway. I was just interested in the alkaline side, but after the demo I witnessed I can see where the acid side would have many uses, also. Then Kangan I saw took up a lot of counter space, and had hoses running everywhere-- pretty ugly. I much prefer something that can be installed under the sink and hidden away. Samala, Renee -- -- I researched the Harmony machine..... talked to many customers. The machines don't last very long, lots of replacing of parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 There are filters you can attach to the Jupiters, but the people who sell them are less than helpful. For city dwellers, I would always recommend the chlorine/fluoride filter. David In a message dated 6/9/2008 7:46:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, olde_silas writes: One thing about those types of water conditioning machines: We had aJupiter unit on our water system. It was totaled very soon due tosulfur in the water. We also totaled a plain distiller in the sameway. A neighbor totaled his reverse osmosis unit with the sulfur. Ifyou have sulfur in your water you might have a problem.Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Yes, the highest pH you should ever drink is 9.5, altho in some of the Japanese hospitals, for very sick individuals, they give them a 10.0 for a short period of time. I'm told that over 10 causes you to gain weight. This was from one of the researchers at Proton Labs. David In a message dated 6/9/2008 1:03:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gaiacita writes: Well, that's good to know. I won't be buying one any time soon, so maybe by then the company you like will bring theirs out. Guess there's not a big need for high alkalinity as I was told you shouldn't drink anything above a 10 anyway.Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 One thing about those types of water conditioning machines: We had a Jupiter unit on our water system. It was totaled very soon due to sulfur in the water. We also totaled a plain distiller in the same way. A neighbor totaled his reverse osmosis unit with the sulfur. If you have sulfur in your water you might have a problem. oleander soup , Michael Goebel <goebelchx wrote: > > The Enagic Kangen machine produces water at pH 2.5, 4.5, 5, 5.5, 7, , 8.5, 9, 9.5, and 11.5. & nbsp; > There must be an incoming water line, and two exit water lines, one acid, one alkaline. & nbsp; In the ionization process. an equal amount of acid and alkaline ions are produced and must me tapped off at opposite end to achieve the ion concentration. > > The Enagic machine is expensive, roughly $4000. & nbsp; It is unconditionally guaranteed for 5 years, and has a life expectancy of 15 years. & nbsp; At that time you can send it in for refurbishment. & nbsp; Cost $600, and it will last another 15 years (if the planet is still here!). > > I have been using mine for about 6 weeks. & nbsp; I got the water from my sponsor for 6 weeks previously. & nbsp; No one want to spend that kind of money w/o a good, long try-out first. & nbsp; I examined a lot of CD's and DVD's before I bought mine. > > Some of the other machines have coral calcium of some other such mineral to lower the pH. & nbsp; It is all by ionization in the Enagic. & nbsp; > > Polycarbonate bottles have a number of 7 or greater on the bottom. & nbsp; Bottles w/ a 3 or 4 on the bottom are PVC and will leach xenoestrogens into your drinking water. > > The ions will dissipate w/in a few days, and so you must drink the water relatively fresh. > > I have more information on CD's and DVD's. & nbsp; This is about as much as I can say here, since the subject was brought up. & nbsp; If you want more information, send me a private email, and don't clog up the group w/ posts about a particular item. > > Michael L Goebel, DC, ACN > > --- On Mon, 6/9/08, Gaiacita gaiacita wrote: > Gaiacita gaiacita > Re: Re: Alkaline water > oleander soup > Monday, June 9, 2008, 12:53 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Well, that's good to know. & nbsp; I won't be buying one any time soon, so maybe by then the company you like will bring theirs out. & nbsp; Guess there's not a big need for high alkalinity as I was told you shouldn't drink anything above a 10 anyway. & nbsp; > & nbsp; > I was just interested in the alkaline side, but after the demo & nbsp;I witnessed I can see where the acid side would have many uses, also. & nbsp; > & nbsp; > Then Kangan I saw took up a lot of counter space, and had hoses running everywhere-- pretty ugly. & nbsp; I much prefer something that can be installed under the sink and hidden away. & nbsp; > & nbsp; > Samala, > Renee > & nbsp; > > -- -- > & nbsp; > I researched the Harmony machine..... talked to many customers. The machines don't last very long, lots of replacing of parts. > & nbsp; > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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