C buffer and potassium chloride ( HCL and Anti-Acids)

[Guest guest]

why not just get som ph strips to see what your acid/alk is?

 

In a message dated 6/30/2002 12:57:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

wayne writes:

 

<<

Morning Artour,

 

>>Can somebody explain if this is a good way to counterbalance extra

acidity?

 

Possibly your symptoms of " too much acid " is really a condition of

" not enough acid " . or..... the wrong kind of acids.

 

I think everything put into the stomach will turn into a toxic mass of

acids if you are not making enough hydrochloric acid.

 

You might want to get tested for HCL production or go ahead and take

some HCL supplements.

 

Generally, if you have been depending on main stream medical for you

diagnosis, they have totally overlooked your HCL production.

 

Without proper HCL production many of the critical nutrients will not be

absorbed.

 

Millions of people are likely taking anti-acids and think they have too

much acid when exactly the opposite is true.

 

I have a friend who was nearly killed by this situation. He have been

given

a substance called..... PREVACID . His red blood count had been going

down, down.

 

Ok..... here is the message he sent to me. Maybe it will be clearer

than how I would state the situation.

 

Wayne

 

========================== A real World Situation ================

 

Here you go. I had internal bleeding that was STOPPED by surgically

cauterizing lots of little veins in my

colon that sprayed if irritated in any way..

 

Should have stopped the anemia, but the hemoglobin continued to drop.. not

good.

 

My MD had commented several months ago that I had been on PREVACID (acid

blocker) for too long and that I might consider stopping it... I argued (I

always argue!) I had questions as to why the blockers did not stop my heart-

burn..

 

Stopped to talk to my health food store operator who is a retired Ph.D.

Nutritionist/Bio-Chemist (from NASA)who was full of ideas.. she is kind of

" out

there " sometimes, but she brought me a video and printed material and such

that told me about blood manufacturing in the body. Seems you need lots of

IRON and FOLIC ACID to cause it to break down and make red blood cells.

(BTW>. Folic Acid is required for white cell production too..) She said her

suggestion was that I had something inhibiting the absorption of her iron

and folic acid and B12... there was no problem with her products..

 

MD (get off acid blocker) + Ph.D.,

(something is stopping you absorption)=

thought.. " did the acid blocker prevent

my treatment from working?

 

Research... facts.

 

* Most acid blockers either prevent folic acid form working or break it

down into a useless substance.

 

* No folic acid, no iron processing

 

* No Iron processing, no new red blood cells and normal attrition will kill

you...

 

* Most acid blockers are NOT needed in people over 40 because they already

fail to produce sufficient acid daily to digest what is taken in

 

* Acid blockers used by low acid-producing persons allow food to remain

in the stomach and FERMENT causing methane gas to rise in the esophagus

yielding effects of indigestion that are false

 

* Low-acid producing persons should NEVER touch ant-acids and should

INCREASE the intake of hydrochloric acid (Betain HCL), papayan enzyme,

pancreatic acid, and ox bile to dissolve their food correctly. the

Betain takes care of the food in the stomach, the Pancreatin maximizes the

absorption of food in the small intestine..

 

Resulting action:

I cancelled my intake of PREVACID on Friday and began taking the above

mixture of acids and digestive enzymes. I began taking liquid iron and a

vitamin HIGH in folic acid. My hemoglobin in ONE WEEK has gone UP

from 8.1 to 10.4. I have not taken one Rolaid, nor any Maalox, neither have I

experienced ANY heart burn while taking the increase in ACID.

 

My MD is elated and gave my nutritionist and me " A " s for figuring

out what all his tests failed to produce. He has really delved into the

acid thing and is reviewing the way he treats most of his PREVACID patients

now..

 

He found out that if a person wants to know if they are poor acid producers

with burning stomachs, they need only take a 6 oz. glass of water with 2

tablespoons of cider vinegar in it. If the burning subsides for even one

second, they need to take MORE acid and get rid of the meds. If it is

immediately worse and they swig MAALOX and it goes away, they are producing

too much acid. He is doing the test in his office now.. saves time

 

let me know if this is good for you..research is all over the net.

 

your friend.Mark

 

======================

 

>>

[Guest guest]

Morning Artour,

 

>>Can somebody explain if this is a good way to counterbalance extra acidity?

 

Possibly your symptoms of " too much acid " is really a condition of

" not enough acid " . or..... the wrong kind of acids.

 

I think everything put into the stomach will turn into a toxic mass of

acids if you are not making enough hydrochloric acid.

 

You might want to get tested for HCL production or go ahead and take

some HCL supplements.

 

Generally, if you have been depending on main stream medical for you

diagnosis, they have totally overlooked your HCL production.

 

Without proper HCL production many of the critical nutrients will not be

absorbed.

 

Millions of people are likely taking anti-acids and think they have too

much acid when exactly the opposite is true.

 

I have a friend who was nearly killed by this situation. He have been given

a substance called..... PREVACID . His red blood count had been going

down, down.

 

Ok..... here is the message he sent to me. Maybe it will be clearer

than how I would state the situation.

 

Wayne

 

========================== A real World Situation ================

 

Here you go. I had internal bleeding that was STOPPED by surgically

cauterizing lots of little veins in my

colon that sprayed if irritated in any way..

 

Should have stopped the anemia, but the hemoglobin continued to drop.. not

good.

 

My MD had commented several months ago that I had been on PREVACID (acid

blocker) for too long and that I might consider stopping it... I argued (I

always argue!) I had questions as to why the blockers did not stop my heart-

burn..

 

Stopped to talk to my health food store operator who is a retired Ph.D.

Nutritionist/Bio-Chemist (from NASA)who was full of ideas.. she is kind of

" out

there " sometimes, but she brought me a video and printed material and such

that told me about blood manufacturing in the body. Seems you need lots of

IRON and FOLIC ACID to cause it to break down and make red blood cells.

(BTW>. Folic Acid is required for white cell production too..) She said her

suggestion was that I had something inhibiting the absorption of her iron

and folic acid and B12... there was no problem with her products..

 

MD (get off acid blocker) + Ph.D.,

(something is stopping you absorption)=

thought.. " did the acid blocker prevent

my treatment from working?

 

Research... facts.

 

* Most acid blockers either prevent folic acid form working or break it

down into a useless substance.

 

* No folic acid, no iron processing

 

* No Iron processing, no new red blood cells and normal attrition will kill

you...

 

* Most acid blockers are NOT needed in people over 40 because they already

fail to produce sufficient acid daily to digest what is taken in

 

* Acid blockers used by low acid-producing persons allow food to remain

in the stomach and FERMENT causing methane gas to rise in the esophagus

yielding effects of indigestion that are false

 

* Low-acid producing persons should NEVER touch ant-acids and should

INCREASE the intake of hydrochloric acid (Betain HCL), papayan enzyme,

pancreatic acid, and ox bile to dissolve their food correctly. the

Betain takes care of the food in the stomach, the Pancreatin maximizes the

absorption of food in the small intestine..

 

Resulting action:

I cancelled my intake of PREVACID on Friday and began taking the above

mixture of acids and digestive enzymes. I began taking liquid iron and a

vitamin HIGH in folic acid. My hemoglobin in ONE WEEK has gone UP

from 8.1 to 10.4. I have not taken one Rolaid, nor any Maalox, neither have I

experienced ANY heart burn while taking the increase in ACID.

 

My MD is elated and gave my nutritionist and me " A " s for figuring

out what all his tests failed to produce. He has really delved into the

acid thing and is reviewing the way he treats most of his PREVACID patients

now..

 

He found out that if a person wants to know if they are poor acid producers

with burning stomachs, they need only take a 6 oz. glass of water with 2

tablespoons of cider vinegar in it. If the burning subsides for even one

second, they need to take MORE acid and get rid of the meds. If it is

immediately worse and they swig MAALOX and it goes away, they are producing

too much acid. He is doing the test in his office now.. saves time

 

let me know if this is good for you..research is all over the net.

 

your friend.Mark

 

======================

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

What Wayne says make a lot of sense to me in light of many other

things I have read. One additional place to look for more info on pH

balance thru diet is : http://www.zphbalance.com Dr. Kahn is a real

wiseguy (in both senses of that word). While cracking all sorts of jokes,

Jonas has some real good ideas about pH balance. Jonas has some info for

free, while more detailed info & consultations cost a bit of money -- but

not very much at all considering what else is available.

 

Alobar

 

 

 

-

" Wayne Fugitt " <wayne

 

Sunday, June 30, 2002 11:30 AM

C buffer and potassium chloride ( HCL and Anti-Acids)

 

 

> Morning Artour,

>

> >>Can somebody explain if this is a good way to counterbalance extra

acidity?

>

> Possibly your symptoms of " too much acid " is really a condition of

> " not enough acid " . or..... the wrong kind of acids.

>

> I think everything put into the stomach will turn into a toxic mass of

> acids if you are not making enough hydrochloric acid.

>

> You might want to get tested for HCL production or go ahead and take

> some HCL supplements.

>

> Generally, if you have been depending on main stream medical for you

> diagnosis, they have totally overlooked your HCL production.

>

> Without proper HCL production many of the critical nutrients will not

be

> absorbed.

>

> Millions of people are likely taking anti-acids and think they have too

> much acid when exactly the opposite is true.

>

> I have a friend who was nearly killed by this situation. He have been

given

> a substance called..... PREVACID . His red blood count had been going

> down, down.

>

> Ok..... here is the message he sent to me. Maybe it will be clearer

> than how I would state the situation.

>

> Wayne

>

> ========================== A real World Situation ================

>

> Here you go. I had internal bleeding that was STOPPED by surgically

> cauterizing lots of little veins in my

> colon that sprayed if irritated in any way..

>

> Should have stopped the anemia, but the hemoglobin continued to drop.. not

> good.

>

> My MD had commented several months ago that I had been on PREVACID (acid

> blocker) for too long and that I might consider stopping it... I argued (I

> always argue!) I had questions as to why the blockers did not stop my

heart-

> burn..

>

> Stopped to talk to my health food store operator who is a retired Ph.D.

> Nutritionist/Bio-Chemist (from NASA)who was full of ideas.. she is kind of

> " out

> there " sometimes, but she brought me a video and printed material and such

> that told me about blood manufacturing in the body. Seems you need lots of

> IRON and FOLIC ACID to cause it to break down and make red blood cells.

> (BTW>. Folic Acid is required for white cell production too..) She said

her

> suggestion was that I had something inhibiting the absorption of her iron

> and folic acid and B12... there was no problem with her products..

>

> MD (get off acid blocker) + Ph.D.,

> (something is stopping you absorption)=

> thought.. " did the acid blocker prevent

> my treatment from working?

>

> Research... facts.

>

> * Most acid blockers either prevent folic acid form working or break it

> down into a useless substance.

>

> * No folic acid, no iron processing

>

> * No Iron processing, no new red blood cells and normal attrition will

kill

> you...

>

> * Most acid blockers are NOT needed in people over 40 because they already

> fail to produce sufficient acid daily to digest what is taken in

>

> * Acid blockers used by low acid-producing persons allow food to remain

> in the stomach and FERMENT causing methane gas to rise in the esophagus

> yielding effects of indigestion that are false

>

> * Low-acid producing persons should NEVER touch ant-acids and should

> INCREASE the intake of hydrochloric acid (Betain HCL), papayan enzyme,

> pancreatic acid, and ox bile to dissolve their food correctly. the

> Betain takes care of the food in the stomach, the Pancreatin maximizes the

> absorption of food in the small intestine..

>

> Resulting action:

> I cancelled my intake of PREVACID on Friday and began taking the above

> mixture of acids and digestive enzymes. I began taking liquid iron and a

> vitamin HIGH in folic acid. My hemoglobin in ONE WEEK has gone UP

> from 8.1 to 10.4. I have not taken one Rolaid, nor any Maalox, neither

have I

> experienced ANY heart burn while taking the increase in ACID.

>

> My MD is elated and gave my nutritionist and me " A " s for figuring

> out what all his tests failed to produce. He has really delved into the

> acid thing and is reviewing the way he treats most of his PREVACID

patients

> now..

>

> He found out that if a person wants to know if they are poor acid

producers

> with burning stomachs, they need only take a 6 oz. glass of water with 2

> tablespoons of cider vinegar in it. If the burning subsides for even one

> second, they need to take MORE acid and get rid of the meds. If it is

> immediately worse and they swig MAALOX and it goes away, they are

producing

> too much acid. He is doing the test in his office now.. saves time

>

> let me know if this is good for you..research is all over the net.

>

> your friend.Mark

>

> ======================

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

There is a science as to *when* to test both saliva & urine & how to

interpret the readings. The link I gave in another post on this thread

( http://www.zphbalance.com ) will instruct in this area.

 

Alobar

 

 

-

<BonnieBar

 

Sunday, June 30, 2002 1:05 PM

Re: C buffer and potassium chloride ( HCL and

Anti-Acids)

 

 

> why not just get som ph strips to see what your acid/alk is?

>

> In a message dated 6/30/2002 12:57:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> wayne writes:

>

> <<

> Morning Artour,

>

> >>Can somebody explain if this is a good way to counterbalance extra

> acidity?

>

> Possibly your symptoms of " too much acid " is really a condition of

> " not enough acid " . or..... the wrong kind of acids.

>

> I think everything put into the stomach will turn into a toxic mass of

> acids if you are not making enough hydrochloric acid.

>

> You might want to get tested for HCL production or go ahead and take

> some HCL supplements.

>

> Generally, if you have been depending on main stream medical for you

> diagnosis, they have totally overlooked your HCL production.

>

> Without proper HCL production many of the critical nutrients will not

be

> absorbed.

>

> Millions of people are likely taking anti-acids and think they have

too

> much acid when exactly the opposite is true.

>

> I have a friend who was nearly killed by this situation. He have been

> given

> a substance called..... PREVACID . His red blood count had been going

> down, down.

>

> Ok..... here is the message he sent to me. Maybe it will be clearer

> than how I would state the situation.

>

> Wayne

>

> ========================== A real World Situation ================

>

> Here you go. I had internal bleeding that was STOPPED by surgically

> cauterizing lots of little veins in my

> colon that sprayed if irritated in any way..

>

> Should have stopped the anemia, but the hemoglobin continued to drop..

not

> good.

>

> My MD had commented several months ago that I had been on PREVACID (acid

> blocker) for too long and that I might consider stopping it... I argued

(I

> always argue!) I had questions as to why the blockers did not stop my

heart-

> burn..

>

> Stopped to talk to my health food store operator who is a retired Ph.D.

> Nutritionist/Bio-Chemist (from NASA)who was full of ideas.. she is kind

of

> " out

> there " sometimes, but she brought me a video and printed material and

such

> that told me about blood manufacturing in the body. Seems you need lots

of

> IRON and FOLIC ACID to cause it to break down and make red blood cells.

> (BTW>. Folic Acid is required for white cell production too..) She said

her

> suggestion was that I had something inhibiting the absorption of her iron

> and folic acid and B12... there was no problem with her products..

>

> MD (get off acid blocker) + Ph.D.,

> (something is stopping you absorption)=

> thought.. " did the acid blocker prevent

> my treatment from working?

>

> Research... facts.

>

> * Most acid blockers either prevent folic acid form working or break it

> down into a useless substance.

>

> * No folic acid, no iron processing

>

> * No Iron processing, no new red blood cells and normal attrition will

kill

> you...

>

> * Most acid blockers are NOT needed in people over 40 because they

already

> fail to produce sufficient acid daily to digest what is taken in

>

> * Acid blockers used by low acid-producing persons allow food to remain

> in the stomach and FERMENT causing methane gas to rise in the esophagus

> yielding effects of indigestion that are false

>

> * Low-acid producing persons should NEVER touch ant-acids and should

> INCREASE the intake of hydrochloric acid (Betain HCL), papayan enzyme,

> pancreatic acid, and ox bile to dissolve their food correctly. the

> Betain takes care of the food in the stomach, the Pancreatin maximizes

the

> absorption of food in the small intestine..

>

> Resulting action:

> I cancelled my intake of PREVACID on Friday and began taking the above

> mixture of acids and digestive enzymes. I began taking liquid iron and a

> vitamin HIGH in folic acid. My hemoglobin in ONE WEEK has gone UP

> from 8.1 to 10.4. I have not taken one Rolaid, nor any Maalox, neither

have I

> experienced ANY heart burn while taking the increase in ACID.

>

> My MD is elated and gave my nutritionist and me " A " s for figuring

> out what all his tests failed to produce. He has really delved into the

> acid thing and is reviewing the way he treats most of his PREVACID

patients

> now..

>

> He found out that if a person wants to know if they are poor acid

producers

> with burning stomachs, they need only take a 6 oz. glass of water with 2

> tablespoons of cider vinegar in it. If the burning subsides for even one

> second, they need to take MORE acid and get rid of the meds. If it is

> immediately worse and they swig MAALOX and it goes away, they are

producing

> too much acid. He is doing the test in his office now.. saves time

>

> let me know if this is good for you..research is all over the net.

>

> your friend.Mark

>

> ======================

>

> >>

>

>

> Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health

> and well being.

>

> list or archives: Gettingwell

>

> ........ Gettingwell-

> post............. Gettingwell

> digest form...... Gettingwell-digest

> individual emails Gettingwell-normal

> no email......... Gettingwell-nomail

> moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner

> ...... Gettingwell-

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe that I heard of a product called Esther C.

It is a vitamin C that is not acidic. Do a search to

make sure. I haven't taken it but on another board there

was mention of this.

 

Liz D.

 

 

 

Gettingwell, Wayne Fugitt <wayne@f...> wrote:

> Morning Artour,

>

> >>Can somebody explain if this is a good way to counterbalance

extra acidity?

[Guest guest]

My husband suffered from acid reflux.

He began taking a mix of herbs that contained:

wormwood, fennel, ginger, slippery elm, peppermint.

He would take it with each meal for about 2 months.

He felt much better. Since wormwood could be toxic

to some persons you must be aware of that. Also

wormwood is to be used for only short periods of

time.

 

Then I suggested that he try digestive enzymes because

I began taking them. I read that the stomach can

over produce stomach acid if the bowel is backed up

and needs cleansing. He began passing some ugly black

stool and felt allot better since. Hasn't had any

acid reflux attacks since his bowels are functioning

better.

 

I suffer sometimes from gastritis but it is related to

eating foods that I am sensitive too, getting constipated

and not moving regularly and having this yeast over growth

triggers it.

 

Liz D.

[Guest guest]

Hi Liz

Do you have info on the source of the Digestive Enzymes your husband used?

I have a serious reflux problem, but mine is complicated by my also having a

hiatal hernia (a weakened esophageal sphincter), so I've learned to try

things without expecting success.

 

I've gotten other suggestions for a few brands of digestive enzyme formulae,

so I'm just looking for a little more about this.

Best Wishes

John P.

 

 

-

" elizdettrey " <Rabbitbrain

 

Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:00 PM

Re: C buffer and potassium chloride ( HCL and

Anti-Acids)

 

 

> My husband suffered from acid reflux.

> He began taking a mix of herbs that contained:

> wormwood, fennel, ginger, slippery elm, peppermint.

> He would take it with each meal for about 2 months.

> He felt much better. Since wormwood could be toxic

> to some persons you must be aware of that. Also

> wormwood is to be used for only short periods of

> time.

>

> Then I suggested that he try digestive enzymes because

> I began taking them. I read that the stomach can

> over produce stomach acid if the bowel is backed up

> and needs cleansing. He began passing some ugly black

> stool and felt allot better since. Hasn't had any

> acid reflux attacks since his bowels are functioning

> better.

>

> I suffer sometimes from gastritis but it is related to

> eating foods that I am sensitive too, getting constipated

> and not moving regularly and having this yeast over growth

> triggers it.

>

> Liz D.

>

>

>

> Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health

> and well being.

>

> list or archives: Gettingwell

>

> ........ Gettingwell-

> post............. Gettingwell

> digest form...... Gettingwell-digest

> individual emails Gettingwell-normal

> no email......... Gettingwell-nomail

> moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner

> ...... Gettingwell-

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

John P.

I found on the internet this formula by Thropp's

Nutrition. Called, Ultra-Zyme Plus. It is a super

enzyme complex. It doesn't have HCL in it. The

ingredients are listed at the web site and it is

very affordable. Shipping adds extra costs but I

bought one bottle to see if it would agree with him

and then next time I bought 12 bottles which gave

a further discount.

 

www.Throppsnutrition.com Is located in New York.

 

The person selling the enzymes developed them himself.

He called after my order and I missed the call. I

want to return his call to let him know how helpful

this product has been.

 

I hope you find something that works for you. Sounds

funny but have you seen a chiropractor about your hiatal hernia?

Someone I met told me that they had their back fixed and the

symptoms that the hernia caused went away.

 

I kinked my back a few months ago and I can tell you how

much interference it causes with your body. I didn't have

hiatal hernia symptoms but it gave me such heart and breathing

distress. Perhaps it depends on what vertebre is messed up.

 

Liz D.

 

 

 

Gettingwell, " John Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> wrote:

> Hi Liz

> Do you have info on the source of the Digestive Enzymes your

husband used?

> I have a serious reflux problem, but mine is complicated by my also

having a

> hiatal hernia (a weakened esophageal sphincter), so I've learned to

try

> things without expecting success.

>

> I've gotten other suggestions for a few brands of digestive enzyme

formulae,

> so I'm just looking for a little more about this.

> Best Wishes

> John P.

>

[Guest guest]

The " acidity " of vitamin C

is irrelevant since no matter what the form is, it is less acidic than the

contents of the stomach. I have never heard of anyone being

irritated by vitamin C supplements. The manufacturers of Ester C

also make claims about more efficient absorption. This is also

irrelevant since tissue saturation is achieved at 250 mg. The body

has no problem absorbing any kind of vitamin C.

 

Morton

 

elizdettrey wrote:

 

> I believe that I heard of a product called Esther C.

> It is a vitamin C that is not acidic. Do a search to

> make sure. I haven't taken it but on another board there

> was mention of this.

>

> Liz D.

[Guest guest]

I've heard repeatedly, about " tissue saturation " at 250mg of C. But do you

happen to know, or can you speculate about, how long a period of time body

tissues remain saturated after ingestion of 1/4gm of C; 2, 3, 4 hours? If

someone is facing many stresses in their life, including some measure of

illness, they might want to maintain full, or near full, tissue saturation

with vit. C, throughout the 24 period.

I'm also curious, what sense to make of the truly remarkable outcomes of the

Linus Pauling, vit. C therapies, using astonishing doses (100s of grams!!!)

for his cancer patients. How is it that " tissue saturation, " was not an

obstacle in achieving therapeutic successes when using such large intakes of

C? Clearly, there was some manner of benefit accruing from vastly exceeding

tissue saturation, causing me to wonder, if there aren't benefits from

exceeding tissue saturation with vastly less C than Pauling used against

grave diseases.

I'm taking about 2gms a day, in a few divided doses. I remember reading

Pauling's remarks, that he was surprised to find, that the bodies of gravely

ill patients, seemed to retain, to cling to, the immense C doses he gave

them, and that he could not find evidence that they were eliminating the

surplus from their bodies!

 

 

-

" Morton Bodanis " <mortonmb

 

Monday, July 01, 2002 2:19 PM

Re: Re: C buffer and potassium chloride ( HCL and

Anti-Acids)

 

 

> The " acidity " of vitamin C

> is irrelevant since no matter what the form is, it is less acidic than the

> contents of the stomach. I have never heard of anyone being

> irritated by vitamin C supplements. The manufacturers of Ester C

> also make claims about more efficient absorption. This is also

> irrelevant since tissue saturation is achieved at 250 mg. The body

> has no problem absorbing any kind of vitamin C.

>

> Morton

>

> elizdettrey wrote:

>

> > I believe that I heard of a product called Esther C.

> > It is a vitamin C that is not acidic. Do a search to

> > make sure. I haven't taken it but on another board there

> > was mention of this.

> >

> > Liz D.

>

>

>

> Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health

> and well being.

>

> list or archives: Gettingwell

>

> ........ Gettingwell-

> post............. Gettingwell

> digest form...... Gettingwell-digest

> individual emails Gettingwell-normal

> no email......... Gettingwell-nomail

> moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner

> ...... Gettingwell-

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Wayne, Morton, amd others,

 

Thank you for your advice regarding the topic I rase. I have hyperacidity

problems and it seems me possible that vitamin C does not have any adverse

effects on stomach acidity or digestion. After I study your notes, links and

my experience, I hope to get back, if there is still a problem.

 

Regards, Artour.

 

 

_______________

Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.

http://www.hotmail.com

[Guest guest]

-

" John Polifronio " <counterpnt

 

Tuesday, July 02, 2002 6:36 AM

Re: Re: C buffer and potassium chloride ( HCL and

Anti-Acids)

 

 

> I've heard repeatedly, about " tissue saturation " at 250mg of C. But do

you

> happen to know, or can you speculate about, how long a period of time body

> tissues remain saturated after ingestion of 1/4gm of C; 2, 3, 4 hours? If

> someone is facing many stresses in their life, including some measure of

> illness, they might want to maintain full, or near full, tissue saturation

> with vit. C, throughout the 24 period.

> I'm also curious, what sense to make of the truly remarkable outcomes of

the

> Linus Pauling, vit. C therapies, using astonishing doses (100s of

grams!!!)

> for his cancer patients. How is it that " tissue saturation, " was not an

> obstacle in achieving therapeutic successes when using such large intakes

of

> C? Clearly, there was some manner of benefit accruing from vastly

exceeding

> tissue saturation, causing me to wonder, if there aren't benefits from

> exceeding tissue saturation with vastly less C than Pauling used against

> grave diseases.

 

Below is a quote from Vitamin C foundation about tissue saturation

of Vitamin C & why tissue saturation is not a useful indicator of maximum

dose. Link on the webpage leads to a fuller article.

 

Alobar

 

 

A common mistake is to assume that tissue or blood serum " saturation "

indicates the optimal vitamin C intake. The focus on ascorbate tissue levels

and maximum blood concentrations misses the point -- one Linus Pauling made

often -- ascorbic acid (vitamin C) is transformed or destroyed as the body

uses it for a wide variety of metabolic functions. For example, vitamin C is

destroyed during the production of the most abundant protein in the human

body: collagen. Tissue saturation is just the starting point for many

pathways that are not otherwise activated. Cathcart's bowel tolerance seems

to be better measure of each individual's optimal vitamin C intake. As the

body needs more of the vitamin, it absorbs more. [Owen Fonorow]

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/