Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Hi, I've not scanned very many messages, and I hope I've come to the right place. I basically am interested in nutrition...I tend to believe the more natural we eat, the better... Which means I rarely eat fast foods, no junk food (too much of the hydrogenated), only the good kinds of fats (olive oil, canola, occasional butter). A few questions....Does anyone know specific benefits of flax seed? Also, I have read that a really low fat diet can contribute to tenndonitis (which I have had for several months). Can anyone enlighten me on this and are there any benefits of taking cod liver oil for the inflammation. I'm currently taking Celebrex for it (but not sure if it's helping greatly)?? Your thoughts would be appreciated. And lastly do any of you belong to a group that is open for nutrition discussion....the good, the bad, the wonderful for your health kind of thing. Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Angie Get ready to hear unpleasant news about canola oil. It has gotten a bad rep in the past few years. I've stopped using it. I routinely use the highest quality extra virgin olive oil I can find, and flax oil, when I can find it fresh. Coconut oil has been getting some good marks in many nutrition quarters. I plan to add it to my diet. Flax seed meal, especially made freshly in a grinder, is a near miracle food, and has wide-ranging health benefits, especially against cancer and cardio-vascular disease. If you use the oil, make sure it's fresh, use it quickly, and taste a smidgen on your fingertip before use. I was on an extremely low fat diet (10% or less of total fat! calories) for four years. If there were any truth to the tendonitis notion, I wouldn't have any tendons at this point. On the other hand, the wisdom of very low fat diets, is highly controversial. Dr. Dean Ornish is the most famous of its proponents, as well as Nathan Pritikin, and Dr. John McDougall. They all believe that it will reverse heart disease, as part of their somewhat different protocols. You'd have to look at their evidence, to say if it seems persuasive to you. I'm persuaded by thier evidence, to a point. Best Luck John P - " angie360a " <angie360 Friday, May 24, 2002 5:26 PM About Nutrition - I'm New > Hi, > I've not scanned very many messages, and I hope I've come to the > right place. I basically am interested in nutrition...I tend to > believe the more natural we eat, the better... Which means I rarely > eat fast foods, no junk food (too much of the hydrogenated), only the > good kinds of fats (olive oil, canola, occasional butter). > > A few questions....Does anyone know specific benefits of flax seed? > > Also, I have read that a really low fat diet can contribute to > tenndonitis (which I have had for several months). Can anyone > enlighten me on this and are there any benefits of taking cod liver > oil for the inflammation. I'm currently taking Celebrex for it (but > not sure if it's helping greatly)?? Your thoughts would be > appreciated. > > And lastly do any of you belong to a group that is open for nutrition > discussion....the good, the bad, the wonderful for your health kind > of thing. > > Angie > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > list or archives: Gettingwell > > ........ Gettingwell- > post............. Gettingwell > digest form...... Gettingwell-digest > individual emails Gettingwell-normal > no email......... Gettingwell-nomail > moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner > ...... Gettingwell- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Evening Angie, >And lastly do any of you belong to a group that is open for nutrition >discussion....the good, the bad, the wonderful for your health kind >of thing. I suppose you mean a local group that gets together either weekly or monthly and discusses various nutritional topics. I am not aware on a group like this in my area. A few friends are showing an interest in such a group. Usually, if I talk it up a bit and send out email to my personal mailing list, I can get 10 to 15 people interested in most anything, especially something health related. So..... form your own group. Three or four will get it started. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 I am also a newbie...I started taking Shaklee a bit ago..and have seen a differnce..sinc my eating habits suck..I have to take supplements.. Do you feel Shaklee is better, or am I wasting my money? Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Hi angie, My brother in law consumes flax seed oil on a very consistent basis. He's got major problems with his joints (bone spurs, etc.) and he notices a good difference when he takes it. I stay away from any " pain relievers " because they either don't work for me or make the pain worse. I'm not too worried about the physical damage they cause in great amounts, though. I found that for tendonitis (which I also have), I feel better after heat, gentle massage and mild stretching. Taking extra calcium is good for my aches too. Luci Gettingwell, " angie360a " <angie360@h...> wrote: > Hi, > I've not scanned very many messages, and I hope I've come to the > right place. I basically am interested in nutrition...I tend to > believe the more natural we eat, the better... Which means I rarely > eat fast foods, no junk food (too much of the hydrogenated), only the > good kinds of fats (olive oil, canola, occasional butter). > > A few questions....Does anyone know specific benefits of flax seed? > > Also, I have read that a really low fat diet can contribute to > tenndonitis (which I have had for several months). Can anyone > enlighten me on this and are there any benefits of taking cod liver > oil for the inflammation. I'm currently taking Celebrex for it (but > not sure if it's helping greatly)?? Your thoughts would be > appreciated. > > And lastly do any of you belong to a group that is open for nutrition > discussion....the good, the bad, the wonderful for your health kind > of thing. > > Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 I've been buying nutritional supplements from Swanson, Puritan's Pride, and Trader Joe's. Trader Joe's prices are excellent, and their products are good. I always wait for the best sales at Swanson and Puritan's P. Puritan's Pride, is, until June 5, having an excellent sale on their products: 70% off!, and if you spend a certain amount, you get free shipping. I may be wrong, but Shaklee has extremely high prices. John P. - <Rakefet5762 Saturday, May 25, 2002 12:31 PM Re: Re: About Nutrition - I'm New > I am also a newbie...I started taking Shaklee a bit ago..and have seen a > differnce..sinc my eating habits suck..I have to take supplements.. > > Do you feel Shaklee is better, or am I wasting my money? > > Lisa > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2002 Report Share Posted May 25, 2002 Evening John, >>Puritan's Pride, is, until June 5, having an excellent sale on their >products: 70% off!, and if you spend a certain amount, you get free >shipping. Sounds great..... 70 % . Does Puritans Pride have a web site? Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 Wayne Fugitt wrote: > Evening John, > > >>Puritan's Pride, is, until June 5, having an excellent sale on their > >products: 70% off!, and if you spend a certain amount, you get free > >shipping. > > Sounds great..... 70 % . > > Does Puritans Pride have a web site? > > Wayne By typing " puritans pride " in my browser's window, I came to <www.puritan.com> Puritan's Pride web site, established in 1960. Yes - 70% off! Assuming that this is not sellling below cost, that represents a huge markup. Morton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 Evening Morton, >>By typing " puritans pride " in my browser's window, I came to ><www.puritan.com> Puritan's Pride web site, established in 1960. Yes - 70% >off! Assuming that this is not sellling below cost, that represents a huge >markup. Ok.. thanks. I will take a look. Discounts and markups have always been a bit confusing. I can't even get the people in my own company to agree on this type thing. My local health food store gives me 20% off everything I buy. So... there starting price must be a 100% markup, or maybe 80. The only way I can tell if I am getting a bargain is to compare the prices with places on the net. When I do this, I find the prices they are giving me are all within 10% of the best prices I can find. Plus no shipping and waiting. The best part is that they are 10 minutes away and I get free consultation. Often they are asking me questions instead of me asking them questions. Still, it is a social event when I go there. Often I meet others who are addicted to visiting the health food store once or twice per week. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 Is this a good company to buy from? Dee - " Morton Bodanis " <mortonmb Saturday, May 25, 2002 4:13 PM Re: Re: About Nutrition - I'm New > > > Wayne Fugitt wrote: > > > Evening John, > > > > >>Puritan's Pride, is, until June 5, having an excellent sale on their > > >products: 70% off!, and if you spend a certain amount, you get free > > >shipping. > > > > Sounds great..... 70 % . > > > > Does Puritans Pride have a web site? > > > > Wayne > > By typing " puritans pride " in my browser's window, I came to > <www.puritan.com> Puritan's Pride web site, established in 1960. Yes - 70% > off! Assuming that this is not sellling below cost, that represents a huge > markup. > > Morton > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > list or archives: Gettingwell > > ........ Gettingwell- > post............. Gettingwell > digest form...... Gettingwell-digest > individual emails Gettingwell-normal > no email......... Gettingwell-nomail > moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner > ...... Gettingwell- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 Me too, I have to travel at least 30 minutes to get a half way decent hfs but there is no talk of discount and sometimes you feel that you are causing them a problem by asking any questions. Marianne In a message dated 26/05/02 06:42:48 GMT Daylight Time, counterpnt writes: > I'd love to have your " local " health food store, in my neighborhood. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 Yes Wayne: " Order Online: www.puritan.com I have to apologize for suggesting that shipping was free above a certain purchase amount. I must have had another company in mind. Puritan charges $3.95 for shipping. I think their prices are generally very low. The current 70% off sale, expires 6/5/02. But, I prefer getting what I can at Trader Joe's, whose prices are often the lowest of all, and their quality seems good to me. - " Dee H " <qponcrazed Saturday, May 25, 2002 7:16 PM Re: Re: About Nutrition - I'm New > Is this a good company to buy from? > > Dee > - > " Morton Bodanis " <mortonmb > > Saturday, May 25, 2002 4:13 PM > Re: Re: About Nutrition - I'm New > > > > > > > > Wayne Fugitt wrote: > > > > > Evening John, > > > > > > >>Puritan's Pride, is, until June 5, having an excellent sale on their > > > >products: 70% off!, and if you spend a certain amount, you get free > > > >shipping. > > > > > > Sounds great..... 70 % . > > > > > > Does Puritans Pride have a web site? > > > > > > Wayne > > > > By typing " puritans pride " in my browser's window, I came to > > <www.puritan.com> Puritan's Pride web site, established in 1960. Yes - 70% > > off! Assuming that this is not sellling below cost, that represents a > huge > > markup. > > > > Morton > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > > and well being. > > > > list or archives: Gettingwell > > > > ........ Gettingwell- > > post............. Gettingwell > > digest form...... Gettingwell-digest > > individual emails Gettingwell-normal > > no email......... Gettingwell-nomail > > moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner > > ...... Gettingwell- > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 I'd love to have your " local " health food store, in my neighborhood. An example of the prices in the current Puritan's catalog. Lysine: 500count, (1000mg tablets), $13.30. Guggulipid: 90count, (1000mg tabs, containing 25mg natural guggulsterones per tab), $8.10. If you can find a mail-order source that can beat these prices, please let me know. The health food stores in my area, price their supplements, way higher than the internet. The best prices I get at a store are at Trader Joes, which is not a health food store, but has a small section devoted to supplements. A good example of their prices: Vitamin C, 250count, 1000mg tabs, with 100mg natural rose hips, sustained release), $7.99. They're gradually including more " organic " items in their stock, such as raw, organic pumpkin seeds, which they sell out almost the day they get them. I've been buying " quarts " of fresh organic strawberries from them these days, at $3.29. If they keep this up, people will start calling them a health food store of sorts. John P. - " Wayne Fugitt " <wayne Saturday, May 25, 2002 5:23 PM Re: Re: About Nutrition - I'm New > Evening Morton, > > >>By typing " puritans pride " in my browser's window, I came to > ><www.puritan.com> Puritan's Pride web site, established in 1960. Yes - 70% > >off! Assuming that this is not sellling below cost, that represents a huge > >markup. > > Ok.. thanks. I will take a look. > > Discounts and markups have always been a bit confusing. I can't even > get the people in my own company to > agree on this type thing. > > My local health food store gives me 20% off everything I buy. So... > there starting price must be a 100% markup, or maybe 80. > > The only way I can tell if I am getting a bargain is to compare the > prices with places on the net. > When I do this, I find the prices they are giving me are all within 10% of > the best prices I can find. Plus no shipping and waiting. > > The best part is that they are 10 minutes away and I get free > consultation. Often they are asking me questions instead of me asking them > questions. Still, it is a social event when I go there. Often I meet > others who are addicted to visiting the health food store once or twice per > week. > > Wayne > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 In a message dated 5/26/02 1:42:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, counterpnt writes: > I've been buying " quarts " of fresh organic strawberries from them these > days, at $3.29. Start your own organic co-op and buy the strawberries and whatever else you need inexpensively or at least a lot less expensive than at the HFS directly from the distributor. Example: I am buying a flat of strawberries this Monday through my co-op for $18. That is 12 x 1 pint for $18. That is excellent! Wholesale prices... your $3.29 - unbelievable mark-up. I have been in our co-op for 2 1/2 years. Well worth it! :-) Gabriela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 You were right, but they changed it. It was free for orders over $40. I already got an order that way, but they were out of a lot of things, so they have to re-ship (also free). I hope they don't go broke with this sale, LOL. Starris - " John Polifronio " <counterpnt > I have to apologize for suggesting that shipping was free above a certain > purchase amount. > I must have had another company in mind --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release 5/24/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 Wayne Fugitt wrote: > Evening Morton, > > >>By typing " puritans pride " in my browser's window, I came to > ><www.puritan.com> Puritan's Pride web site, established in 1960. Yes - 70% > >off! Assuming that this is not sellling below cost, that represents a huge > >markup. > > Ok.. thanks. I will take a look. > > Discounts and markups have always been a bit confusing. I can't even > get the people in my own company to agree on this type thing. A discount is what a seller takes off his selling price as an inducement for you to buy. A mark-up is the profit he adds to his cost before he sells it to you. If a product costs the manufacturer/supplier 30.00 and he marks it up (adds profit to his cost) by 100%, he is taking all of his cost and doubling it (30.00 + 30.00 [100% of something is all of the original amount, 50% of something is 1/2 of the original amount]). If an item sells to you for 100.00 and he gives you a 10% discount, 10% of 100.00 is 10.00 and you pay 90.00. If he gives you a 70% discount, which is 70.00 off, you pay 30.00. If you want to know how much to mark it up, percentage-wise, to get to 100.00: 100% of 30.00 is 30.00, add them together and you get 60.00; add another 100% of the original amount (30.00) This amount now becomes 90.00. Add another 33 1/3% and you get 9.99, which when added to the 90.00 gives you 99.99. The mark-up on 30.00 to get to 100.00 is, adding together all the amounts, is 233 1/3%! Not bad at all. To find the total mark-up of an item: Subtract the final selling price from the original selling price. (100.00 - 30.00 = 70 [the total mark-up, or profit]) Divide the discount of 70.00 by 30.00, the selling price, and multiply that by 100 and you get (233.3333%), the percentage mark-up, or profit in the original selling price. I hope that I was not being presumptuous in going through this exercise. Morton > > > My local health food store gives me 20% off everything I buy. So... > there starting price must be a 100% markup, or maybe 80. > > The only way I can tell if I am getting a bargain is to compare the > prices with places on the net. > When I do this, I find the prices they are giving me are all within 10% of > the best prices I can find. Plus no shipping and waiting. > > > > Wayne > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 Gabriela People pay a high price for convenience. Trader Joe's is selling a " quart " of organic strawberries for $3.29. Whole Foods, a few blocks away, is selling organic strawberries for $2.59 a pint ($5.18 a quart)! I don't think you looked at the figure I gave you carefully enough. You're paying $1.50 a pint; I'm paying, at Trader Joe's, $1.65, hardly an " unbelievable " markup. Even the Whole Foods price, at $2.59 a pint, is high, but not unbelievable. As for starting a co-op, where will I find the time to do that? I live Los Angeles, and have a book/record store that requires every bit of time I have, and I can't even keep up with the work that needs to be done. There is a co-op 15 miles! away from my house. The health food store is 2 miles a way. The 15 miles, is through Los Angeles traffic! The health food stores do all the work for us, and make everything conveniently available. What will I and my wife do with a " flat " of strawberries? I buy 2 quarts at a time, usually, and I can barely finish them in time before they rot. That means I'd have to co-op with other people to share them. That takes more time, and can be complicated. Co-ops are a wonderful idea, under some circumstances. But the problem is " time, " not price. John P. - <naturalradical Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:31 AM Re: Re: About Nutrition - I'm New > In a message dated 5/26/02 1:42:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > counterpnt writes: > > > > I've been buying " quarts " of fresh organic strawberries from them these > > days, at $3.29. > > Start your own organic co-op and buy the strawberries and whatever else you > need inexpensively or at least a lot less expensive than at the HFS directly > from the distributor. > Example: I am buying a flat of strawberries this Monday through my co-op for > $18. That is 12 x 1 pint for $18. That is excellent! Wholesale prices... your > $3.29 - unbelievable mark-up. I have been in our co-op for 2 1/2 years. Well > worth it! > > :-) Gabriela > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 Wayne Fugitt wrote: > Evening Morton, > > > Discounts and markups have always been a bit confusing. I can't even get > the people in my own company to > agree on this type thing. > > My local health food store gives me 20% off everything I buy. So... > there starting price must be a 100% markup, or maybe 80. > > > > Wayne Hi, Wayne A discount is what a seller takes off his selling price as an inducement for you to buy. A mark-up is the profit he adds to his cost before he sells it to you. If a product costs the manufacturer/supplier 30.00 and he marks it up (adds profit to his cost) by 100%, he is taking all of his cost and doubling it (30.00 + 30.00 [100% of something is all of the original amount, 50% of something is 1/2 of the original amount]). If an item sells to you for 100.00 and he gives you a 10% discount, 10% of 100.00 is 10.00 and you pay 90.00. If he gives you a 70% discount, which is 70.00 off, you pay 30.00. If you want to know how much to mark it up, percentage-wise, to get to 100.00: 100% of 30.00 is 30.00, add them together and you get 60.00; add another 100% of the original amount (30.00) This amount now becomes 90.00. Add another 33 1/3% and you get 9.99, which when added to the 90.00 gives you 99.99. The mark-up on 30.00 to get to 100.00 is, adding together all the amounts, is 233 1/3%! Not bad at all. To find the total mark-up of an item: Subtract the final selling price from the original selling price. (100.00 - 30.00 = 70 [the total mark-up, or profit]) Divide the discount of 70.00 by 30.00, the selling price, and multiply that by 100 and you get (233.3333%), the percentage mark-up, or profit in the original selling price. I hope that I was not being presumptuous in going through this exercise. Morton > My local health food store gives me 20% off everything I buy. So... > there starting price must be a 100% markup, or maybe 80. > Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2002 Report Share Posted May 30, 2002 Hello---I had one major heel problem this past winter and started taking glucosaimine--any brand off ebay works---plus either Evening Primrose Oil, or flaxseed oil or omega-3--it has made a world of difference for myself!!!! I could barely walk on that foot til I took that stuff--I truly am an alternative health believer!!!! Theo > work > for me or make > I found that for tendonitis (which I also have), I feel better after > heat, gentle massage and mild stretching. Taking extra calcium is > good for my aches too. > > Luci > Gettingwell, " angie360a " <angie360@h...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I've not scanned very many messages, and I hope I've come to the > > right place. I basically am interested in nutrition...I tend to > > believe the more natural we eat, the better... Which means I rarely > > eat fast foods, no junk food (too much of the hydrogenated), only > the > > good kinds of fats (olive oil, canola, occasional butter). > > > > A few questions....Does anyone know specific benefits of flax seed? > > > > Also, I have read that a really low fat diet can contribute to > > tenndonitis (which I have had for several months). Can anyone > > enlighten me on this and are there any benefits of taking cod liver > > oil for the inflammation. I'm currently taking Celebrex for it > (but > > not sure if it's helping greatly)?? Your thoughts would be > > appreciated. > > > > And lastly do any of you belong to a group that is open for > nutrition > > discussion....the good, the bad, the wonderful for your health kind > > of thing. > > > > Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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