Guest guest Posted April 19, 2002 Report Share Posted April 19, 2002 Hello all My name is Lisa - just joined the group this week in hopes of improving my health. I live in Dallas with a parrot and a German Shepherd. Been feeling incredibly run down and tired lately. I think my lousy diet has finally caught up with me. I did some reading on enzymes and bought a bottle last night to take with meals. I also bought some spirulina since I read that also can increase energy. Lastly, I've been taking a vitamin B complex. Any suggestions on what can increase energy without speeding would be appreciated. OK, now for my question. I've been wanting to do something by way of purified water. Faucet mounted purifiers, I think, are more for taste and don't filter out fluoride. Distillers remove EVERYTHING including minerals which I want. So my criteria is a device that would filter out all the bad stuff but keep in the good stuff, fairly inexpensive and doesn't require a professional to install. Any suggestions? From the few days I've hovered in the shadows you seem like a really knowledgeable group. I'm looking forward to learning from all of you. Lisa Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Question: I've been using R.O. water for over a year now. I test it with a TDS meter and it's very pure. I used to add Concentrace Trace Mineral Drops but stopped using it when I read that it contains fluoride. Does anyone have information on the subject? Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 , Dave R Hermanson <tumblweed4@j...> wrote: > Question: > > I've been using R.O. water for over a year now. I test it with a TDS > meter and it's very pure. I used to add Concentrace Trace Mineral Drops but stopped using it when I read that it contains fluoride. Does anyone have information on the subject? Thank you. Hi Dave! NOWfoods.com regarding Concentrace...NOW® Trace Minerals with ConcenTrace® is concentrated from the Great Salt Lake in Utah. This product is dehydrated with alfalfa to produce a full spectrum, balanced trace mineral supplement. The sodium content has been reduced by 99.5% I find that NOW foods recommends it, so as I explicitly trust their expertise in these areas, I believe that it is a completely safe naturally occuring type of fluoride which is not harmful to your health!! The information below comes directly from the NOW website: Each capsule contains the following in naturally occuring trace amounts: Calcium, Carbonate, Bromide, Fluoride, Iodine, Rubidium, Scandium, Phosphorus, Nickel, Manganese, Chromium, Strontium, Cobalt, Zinc, Titanium, Lanthanum, Cerium, Banium, Copper, Iron, Silicon, Yttrium, Molybdenum, Tin, Gallium, Gold, Silver, Cesium, Beryllium, Selenium, Vanadium, Dysprosium, Holmium, Terbium, Praseodymium, Lutelium, Gadolinium, Samarium, Bismuth, Ytterbium, Erbium, Europium, Neodymium and the other minerals found in sea water. I hope you are doing well! :-) JoAnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Thank you JoAnn, I'm doing extremely well. I was addicted to sleeping pills and a caffeine addict. Now I'm completely clean. The two most helpful things that led to this were the article on sleeping pills posted on this site: http://www.darksideofsleepingpills.com/index.html and the book: Welcome To The Dance- A Caffeine Allergy and Progressive Toxic Dementia has been very valuable for me because caffeine was causing a lot of problems for me including brain fog. Kevin Trudeau's book- Natural Cures, What Doctors Don't Want You To Know Has been very helpful for me also, I'm about a third of the way through. I think he's doing a lot of good. Thank you again. Hi Dave! NOWfoods.com regarding Concentrace...NOW® Trace Minerals with ConcenTrace® is concentrated from the Great Salt Lake in Utah. This product is dehydrated with alfalfa to produce a full spectrum, balanced trace mineral supplement. The sodium content has been reduced by 99.5% I find that NOW foods recommends it, so as I explicitly trust their expertise in these areas, I believe that it is a completely safe naturally occuring type of fluoride which is not harmful to your health!! The information below comes directly from the NOW website: Each capsule contains the following in naturally occuring trace amounts: Calcium, Carbonate, Bromide, Fluoride, Iodine, Rubidium, Scandium, Phosphorus, Nickel, Manganese, Chromium, Strontium, Cobalt, Zinc, Titanium, Lanthanum, Cerium, Banium, Copper, Iron, Silicon, Yttrium, Molybdenum, Tin, Gallium, Gold, Silver, Cesium, Beryllium, Selenium, Vanadium, Dysprosium, Holmium, Terbium, Praseodymium, Lutelium, Gadolinium, Samarium, Bismuth, Ytterbium, Erbium, Europium, Neodymium and the other minerals found in sea water. I hope you are doing well! :-) JoAnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 , Dave R Hermanson <tumblweed4@j...> wrote: > > Thank you JoAnn, > I'm doing extremely well. I was addicted to sleeping pills and a caffeine addict. > Now I'm completely clean. The two most helpful things that led to this were the article on sleeping pills posted on this site: > http://www.darksideofsleepingpills.com/index.html > > and the book: > Welcome To The Dance- A Caffeine Allergy and Progressive Toxic Dementia has been very valuable for me because caffeine was causing a lot of problems for me including brain fog. > > Kevin Trudeau's book- Natural Cures, What Doctors Don't Want You To Know Has been very helpful for me also, I'm about a third of the way through. > I think he's doing a lot of good. > Thank you again. Thanks for sharing! It is good to hear from you again and to know that you're on the way to a full recovery! I'm glad you're finding your answers!! There are several liquid mineral chelates on the enzymatic therapy website which you should be able to get from your health food store. Many of them carry the Enzymatic Therapy brands and yours should be no exception. Here is the link.... http://www.enzy.com/products/searchresults.aspcboCategory=029 & division= Well obviously, the link isn't working, so here is the list I copied for you. I'm not sure whether you're vegetarian or not so I'm listing them all as I found them on the website. Just remember that the majority of your minerals don't necessarily have to be in your water. Source naturals has an excellent mineral complex supplement in tablet form as well! Product Name ID Statement Category Numbers -- Acid-A-Cal™ Supports balanced pH levels for proper calcium absorption† Minerals 01151 -- Krebs Cycle Chelates (Vegetarian) Supplies a scientifically balanced combination of minerals for heart health† Minerals 07751 -- Krebs Magnesium-Potassium Chelates (Vegetarian) Supports normal heart muscle function† Minerals 07766 -- Ultimate Iron® Provides highly absorbable iron with liquid liver fractions Blessings, JoAnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 We get our distilled water in glass bottles from Mountain Valley Spring. We had been using Ozarka with their plastic bottles and I always wondered just how much plastic was leeching into the bottles as they sit in the hot Texas sun on the delivery trucks and in the warehouses. I have been drinking distilled water for over 5 years and wondered if I would be able to taste the difference. Absolutely, I could taste the difference!! I was amazed. I also add organic apple cider vinegar to each glass that I drink for the added minerals and because organic apple cider vinegar has a lot of healing properties. While kinesiology can be a great tool it is not something that I would totally rely on. Why? Because the person who is administering must be free from any emotional situations or anything that could affect the outcome. This is very difficult to do. Little things such as a bad night's rest, argument in the morning, not feeling well, aches/pains, etc. can have an affect on the outcome. This needs to be taken into account. Again, it can be a good tool, but certainly not an end-all. Not even something that I would rely heavily on. Loretta DISTILLED WATER ENHANCES MINERAL ABSORPTION DR. BILL MISNER, Ph.D. DOES DISTILLED WATER LEACH MINERALS FROM OUR BODIES? Absolutely, not...in fact just the opposite has been found to occur in cellular research studies. It is a mistaken belief that drinking pure distilled water reduces valuable minerals from living human tissues. ORGANIC MINERALS VS. INORGANIC MINERALS There are two types of minerals, organic and inorganic. Human physiology has a biological affinity for organic minerals. Most organic minerals for our body functions come from dietary plant foods. A growing plant converts the inorganic minerals from the soils to a useful organic mineral. When an organic mineral (from a plant food) enters the stomach it must attach itself to a specific protein-molecule(chelation) in order to be absorbed, then it gains access to the tissue sites where it is needed. Once a plant mineral is divested within the body, it is utilized as a coenzyme for composing body fluids, forming blood and bone cells, and the maintaining of healthy nerve transmission.(Balch & Balch 1990) Without a healthy organic mineral balance inside and outside the cells of muscle, blood, and bone substructures, the body will began to spasm, twitch and cramp, eventually deteriorating to a full " rigor complex " , and/or complete failure. INORGANIC MINERALS FROM TAPWATER ARE " BAD NEWS " . Tap water presents a variety of inorganic minerals which our body has difficulty absorbing. Their presence is suspect in a wide array of degenerative diseases, such as hardening of the arteries, arthritis, kidney stones, gall stones, glaucoma, cataracts, hearing loss, emphysema, diabetes, and obesity. What minerals are available, especially in " hard " tap water, are poorly absorbed, or rejected by cellular tissue sites, and, if not evacuated, their presence may cause arterial obstruction, and internal damage.(Dennison 1993, Muehling 1994, Banik 1989) ORGANIC MINERALS ARE PREFERRED... Is it any wonder why the body prefers the richest source of mineral substrates from organic foods instead of the mineral-poor sources from tap water? Even if the human tissue suddenly developed the ability to absorb inorganic minerals from tap water, it would take an enormous amount of tap water to supply the bare minimal mineral quantities for human life functions. If(for example) the rich inorganic mineral content of the tap water in Reno, Nevada were modified so that it would convert the daily Calcium requirement(RDA) from its inorganic calcium solutes, one would have to drink 7.4 gallons of their tap water! HOW DISTILLED WATER ENHANCES MINERAL ABSORPTION RATES Distilled Pure Water will not conduct electricity when only 2 parts inorganic minerals or less are present. Water with 5 parts inorganic content per million parts water(or more) will conduct electricity, completing a simple circuit and lighting a tester bulb! The higher the inorganic content is in a per million count, the less effectively water transmits organic minerals to tissue sites. Bottled water, tap water, reverse-osmosis filtered water, and carbon-block filtered water(when tested) will conduct electricity, substantiating that each one is not the best carrier for the mineral-transport and mineral-absorption(Muehling 1994). Our tap water in the USA has been shown to contain 19 " inorganic metals of concern " (1994 Safe Water Drinking Act), for which maximum contaminant levels have been set.(Tone 1994) Most American tap water tested falls between the ranges of 350 parts per million to over 1000 parts per million total contaminants!(Colgan 1993) REPEAT THE QUESTION PLEASE... Does drinking distilled water leach the minerals from the body? No, quite the opposite...if inorganic minerals are " removed " from tap water, by converting it into pure distilled water, the result is remarkable biological mineral absorption for both health and maximal metabolic activity. The application of this query has a remarkably high correlation to the general properties of maximal absorption rates, for all micronutrients which traverse the gastric chambers directly into the muscle cells for premium performance demand. REFERENCES Muehling EC, " Pure Water Now: Its Time For Action, " 2cd Ed., Pure Water Inc., Lincoln, Neb., 1994:1-42. Dennison C, " Why I Drink Distilled Water " , Reprint Form 6300, Pure Water Inc., Lincoln, Neb.,1993. Tone J, " Your Drinking Water-How Good Is It? " , National Testing Laboratories Inc., Cleveland, Ohio,1994:21. Banik AE, " The Choice Is Clear, " ACRES USA, Metaire, Louisiana, 1989:37. Balch JF, Balch PA, PRESCRIPTION FOR NUTRITIONAL HEALING, Avery Publishing Co., Garden City, NY, 1990:17. Colgan M, OPTIMUM SPORTS NUTRITION, Advanced Research Press, New York, NY, 1993:23-24. Distilled Water versus Mineral, Carbon Filtered, and Reverse Osmosis Water by Ron Kennedy, M.D., Santa Rosa, California There is circulating a point of view about distilled water, undoubtedly promulgated by producers and sellers of mineral water. This point of view is that water should be mineralized in order to have health benefits and that distilled water somehow leaches out minerals from the body. To understand the truth about this matter one must know a little about mineral chemistry in living systems. In order for a mineral to be of any use to the body it must be presented in a form in which it can be used. That form involves an association with an organic (carbon based) molecule. Carbon based molecules are to be found in living systems, and are not found in the ground which is where mineral water comes from. Water from the ground comes with minerals alright, but these minerals are in salt form. When salt is presented to the body (with rare exceptions such as sodium chloride) it must be either stored or excreted. A good example is CaCO3 (calcium carbonate). Carbonate is not a sufficiently complex organic molecule and therefore cannot properly contribute its calcium to living systems. The calcium comes out instead in ionic form (with a positive charge) and precipitates by forming other salts. Common locations for precipitation of calcium are the lens of the eye (cataracts), the kidneys (kidney stones) and the walls of arteries (arteriosclerosis). Unbound minerals must be excreted, which is extra work for the kidneys) or stored. This makes dust of the argument that healthy water is mineralized, and dust is of course the source of minerals in mineral water. Incidentally, CaCO3 comes from lime stone and comprises the bulk of most calcium supplements, including that in " calcium enriched orange juice. " If you want cataracts, kidney stones, and arteriosclerosis, be sure to eat and drink " calcium enriched " foods. Now as to the argument that distilled water leaches out minerals. This is true, and this is exactly what we want it to do. The minerals it leaches out are of the unusable, ionic form and we want these to leave the body rather than be deposited and cause disease. Distilled water does not leach out significant amounts of biologically available minerals because these are quickly taken up by the body on an as needed basis. If they are present in excess then they are filtered through the kidneys and this is exactly what needs to happen with all things which are in excess in the circulation. Distilled water cleanses the body through promoting healthy kidney function. Finally, if mineral water is not a good source of biologically available minerals, then what is? Think about it. Minerals are present in the ground and must be biologically bound in order to be used by the body. Where would that come from? Plants, of course! Your mineral source should be plants not water. The purpose of water is to cleanse the body. To do the best job of that, it must be free of everything else. Only distilled water fits that bill. As to carbon filtered and reverse osmosis water, these are better solutions than tap water or mineral water, however they still fall far short of the standard set by distilled water. Nature knows best and nature supplies distilled water in the form of rain. However, rain water is no longer pure due to atmospheric pollution. The only remaining option is for us to distill our own water. To that end, I have found no equal of the WaterWise 9000 for up to five people in a home or office. If you would like to read more I recommend two books: The Truth About Water and Your Body's many Cries For Water. Ron Kennedy, M.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 , " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <LorettaLanphier@h...> wrote: > We get our distilled water in glass bottles from Mountain Valley Spring. We > had been using Ozarka with their plastic bottles and I always wondered just > how much plastic was leeching into the bottles as they sit in the hot Texas > sun on the delivery trucks and in the warehouses. I have been drinking > distilled water for over 5 years and wondered if I would be able to taste > the difference. Absolutely, I could taste the difference!! I was amazed. > I also add organic apple cider vinegar to each glass that I drink for the added minerals and because organic apple cider vinegar has a lot of healing properties. > > While kinesiology can be a great tool it is not something that I would totally rely on. Why? Because the person who is administering must be free from any emotional situations or anything that could affect the outcome. This is very difficult to do. Little things such as a bad night's rest, argument in the morning, not feeling well, aches/pains, etc. can have an affect on the outcome. This needs to be taken into account. Again, it can be a good tool, but certainly not an end- all. Not even something that I would rely heavily on. > > Loretta > Although I would like to respond to this at great length, at the moment I simply do not have the time to do so. I will say that my friend the kinesiologist chooses her helpers very carefully and has a number of people standing by in case someone doesn't qualify on any particular day. Kinesiology deals with the Endocrine system which in my estimation is one of if not THE MOST IMPORTANT system in the body. She does not utilize less reliable " dousing " methods,but totally relies on muscle testing for the results. She was afflicted with an inoperable brain tumor, given a death sentence by the medical profession. She cured herself of this and numerous other diseases as well with her knowledge of vitamins and herbs. Her knowledge of herbs and vitamins blows my mind. We haven't even scratched the surface when it comes to the efficacy of vitamins and herbs. She has studied this for thirty years. I love to sit in her presence and just listen!! :-) I always come away with new zeal and enthusisam to share with others the joy of plants and their healing potential. I wish you well in all your endeavors! JoAnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Oh, absolutely, I agree with you about the endocrine system. I deal largely in hormonal balancing for women and men and I believe that this is the system that we should always concentrate on balancing first when disease presents itself. Problem is that so many things can affect it (toxic emotions, toxic water, toxic environment, toxic personal care products, toxic vitamins (yes, some have added excipients that are toxic), toxic food, etc.)) It's great that your friend is prepared in having other people on-hand to assist. Again, I would suggest that it should not be an end-all. I have had many people decline to take a supplement that was badly needed because of kinesiology and then later find out that was what was keeping them from progressing toward better health. I was also healed of stage 3 colon cancer 5 years ago using alternative medicine. We used a myriad of modalities including hi-tech vitamins, herbs, healings, etc. I now work with cancer nutritional balancing and realize the importance of providing correct therapeutic dosaging of supplements and herbs. Everyone is so different and what will work for one doesn't always work for another. So finding the pieces to everyone's individual puzzle can be a little difficult at times. ) We are definitely on the same page, JoAnn, and you have a lot of knowledge to share. Keep up the great work. Loretta _____ Although I would like to respond to this at great length, at the moment I simply do not have the time to do so. I will say that my friend the kinesiologist chooses her helpers very carefully and has a number of people standing by in case someone doesn't qualify on any particular day. Kinesiology deals with the Endocrine system which in my estimation is one of if not THE MOST IMPORTANT system in the body. She does not utilize less reliable " dousing " methods,but totally relies on muscle testing for the results. She was afflicted with an inoperable brain tumor, given a death sentence by the medical profession. She cured herself of this and numerous other diseases as well with her knowledge of vitamins and herbs. Her knowledge of herbs and vitamins blows my mind. We haven't even scratched the surface when it comes to the efficacy of vitamins and herbs. She has studied this for thirty years. I love to sit in her presence and just listen!! :-) I always come away with new zeal and enthusisam to share with others the joy of plants and their healing potential. I wish you well in all your endeavors! JoAnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <LorettaLanphier Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:41pm RE: Re: Purified water " I have had many people decline to take a supplement that was badly needed because of kinesiology and then later find out that was what was keeping them from progressing toward better health " . There are kinesiolgists who use the all too common " dowsing " methods and then again, there are others who wouldn't touch it. I am betting that those whom you mentioned became prejudiced regarding a particular supplement because they tested it with the pendant (dowsing) method. Those who use it, rely on it religiously and believe in it wholeheartedly. You cannot tell them otherwise! I know that dowsing is not reliable. I have observed far too much to the contrary. In my past experience I've observed that there are even those who totally believe that " margarine " is a healthy spread simply because their pendants " relayed " to them that it was healthy and right for them, which is the single most ludicrous example I've ever heard! I believe that these people are being deceived, however this is not true of kinesiology as a whole. As I say, some of them use muscle testing and this is much more reliable! My kinesiologist does not rely on " Dowsing " methods nor advise that anyone else practise this type of testing! It is geared to a certain religion, however I will not comment on this any further, as I do not want to offend anyone on this list. Everyone has a right to their own beliefs but when it comes to health I belive that religion should be a totally separate entity. JoAnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 I would really appreciated if you could find out what vitamins and herbs Joanne's frind was taking. My brother hs Ewing sarcoma and they are not giving him much hope. but I'm not giving up. Thanks, Carolina Caro " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <LorettaLanphier wrote: Oh, absolutely, I agree with you about the endocrine system. I deal largely in hormonal balancing for women and men and I believe that this is the system that we should always concentrate on balancing first when disease presents itself. Problem is that so many things can affect it (toxic emotions, toxic water, toxic environment, toxic personal care products, toxic vitamins (yes, some have added excipients that are toxic), toxic food, etc.)) It's great that your friend is prepared in having other people on-hand to assist. Again, I would suggest that it should not be an end-all. I have had many people decline to take a supplement that was badly needed because of kinesiology and then later find out that was what was keeping them from progressing toward better health. I was also healed of stage 3 colon cancer 5 years ago using alternative medicine. We used a myriad of modalities including hi-tech vitamins, herbs, healings, etc. I now work with cancer nutritional balancing and realize the importance of providing correct therapeutic dosaging of supplements and herbs. Everyone is so different and what will work for one doesn't always work for another. So finding the pieces to everyone's individual puzzle can be a little difficult at times. ) We are definitely on the same page, JoAnn, and you have a lot of knowledge to share. Keep up the great work. Loretta _____ Although I would like to respond to this at great length, at the moment I simply do not have the time to do so. I will say that my friend the kinesiologist chooses her helpers very carefully and has a number of people standing by in case someone doesn't qualify on any particular day. Kinesiology deals with the Endocrine system which in my estimation is one of if not THE MOST IMPORTANT system in the body. She does not utilize less reliable " dousing " methods,but totally relies on muscle testing for the results. She was afflicted with an inoperable brain tumor, given a death sentence by the medical profession. She cured herself of this and numerous other diseases as well with her knowledge of vitamins and herbs. Her knowledge of herbs and vitamins blows my mind. We haven't even scratched the surface when it comes to the efficacy of vitamins and herbs. She has studied this for thirty years. I love to sit in her presence and just listen!! :-) I always come away with new zeal and enthusisam to share with others the joy of plants and their healing potential. I wish you well in all your endeavors! JoAnn Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 , carolina caro <carolina171917> wrote: > I would really appreciated if you could find out what vitamins and herbs Joanne's frind was taking. My brother hs Ewing sarcoma and they are not giving him much hope. but I'm not giving up. > Thanks, > > Carolina Caro Is this a type of bone cancer?? They carefully guard the secrets of their profession so I wouldn't be able to get the exact vitamin and herb profile, however I could give you a broad idea of the herbs that are beneficial for cancer. These two sites are really informative: www.cancertutor.com www.drday.com JoAnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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