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Supplements for Osteoporosis-Calcium

 

 

Supplements for Osteoporosis: Calcium

 

Calcium deficiency is only one of the factors believed to contribute

to

the onset of osteoporosis. Other vitamin and mineral deficiencies

also

play a part, along with caffeine and alcohol, failing hormone levels,

smoking, digestive problems, and sedentary way of life.

 

The level of circulating calcium in your blood is important and the

body

 

has a fail-safe mechanism to take calcium from your bones to keep the

blood level constant. This is going on all the time. So it is not

particularly helpful to assess you calcium levels through blood

tests,

since the level may be constantly changing.

Calcium, along with other minerals, forms your body skeleton. It also

plays a part in the relaxation and contraction of your muscles. The

more

 

calcium you excrete, the more chance you have of " raised " blood

pressure. This underlines the fact that the balance of calcium in the

body is MORE important than just the amount you take.

 

Most of us have been brainwashed into thinking that milk and other

dairy

 

products are the best sources of calcium or that we need to take

calcium

 

supplements to stave off the threat of osteoporosis. The recommended

daily intake of calcium is 500-1000 mg. As the table shows, it does

not

take much to reach that level. And there are plenty of calcium-rich

foods besides dairy products.

 

While it is true that milk and other dairy products contain high

amounts

 

of calcium, it is debatable whether this is the best and most

effective

way for humans to get their dietary calcium One interesting fact

discovered by researchers was that breast fed babies absorbed more

calcium from their mothers milk than from cows milk despite the fact

that cows milk contains four times the amount of calcium. This

underlines again the fact that the important thing is how the body

uses

the calcium---many people believe that our systems were not really

designed to cope with cow's milk. A study of 1,000 women found that

those who ate foods rich in potassium, magnesium, fiber and vitamin C-

a

high fruit and vegetable diet-had significantly higher bone density

than

 

those who had diets low in these nutrients. The conclusion was that

fruit and vegetables were more likely to protect women against loss

of

bone mass and osteoporosis than milk and cheese. As we will see,

these

other nutrients play a vital role in putting calcium into our bones.

 

Not All Calcium is created Equal

 

We know that absorption of calcium is a crucial issue.

When it comes to taking supplements, you should be aware that some

are

much more readily absorbed than others. Some are so poorly absorbed

you

are wasting money-and possibly doing more harm than good. So when you

buy supplements look very carefully at the labels. Calcium carbonate

is

one of the cheapest and most available forms of calcium supplements.

It

is otherwise known as chalk.

It is an inorganic mineral, is mined from the ground, and is not

present

 

in this particular form in any plant or animal. It can increase the

risk

 

of kidney stones and chalky lumps in the breasts and can be deposited

in

 

the joints, contributing to arthritis. Its efficiency as a supplement

is

 

highly questionable, since research demonstrates that in this form

calcium is not well absorbed into they system. Indeed, there is some

evidence that calcium carbonate supplements caused more calcium to be

excreted in the urine when taken by women with adequate levels of

stomach acid. They might even have been losing more calcium than they

were TAKING IN!

 

Calcium citrate, on the other hand, was found to be absorbed SO WELL

even by women with low stomach acid. In one study, 500 mgs of calcium

citrate was absorbed better than even 2,000 mgs of calcium carbonate.

 

There is confusing array of calcium supplements on the market. If you

want to know how well the one you are taking is absorbed, do the

following test. Place your supplement in a glass of warm vinegar for

thirty minutes, stirring every few minutes. The warm vinegar roughly

represents the conditions found in your gut. If the supplement does

not

dissolve after half an hour, try another type.

 

 

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JoAnn,

These posts are very good . Thanks for sending them. I ran the

vinegar test on Citrical which is calcium citrate. It dissolves in 2 to 3

minutes. It does have additives so may not be the best one to take anyway.

 

Jean

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Gettingwell, gemno@a... wrote:

> JoAnn,

> These posts are very good . Thanks for sending them. I ran

the

> vinegar test on Citrical which is calcium citrate. It dissolves in

2 to 3

> minutes. It does have additives so may not be the best one to take

anyway.

>

> Jean,

 

It is my pleasure. Citracal would not be my first choice of calcium

supplements. Citracal is essentially an anti-acid and although

sometimes your practitioner will recommend them, as you can see from

the article below, they certainly leave a lot to be desired...

 

 

The best absorbed calcium source is in the form of

calcium bound to citrate, gluconate, or some other organic molecule.

It is a more expensive product, but well worth it.

 

Your calcium supplement should also contain Magnesium, the matrix

substance of bone (proteins) and Vitamin D.

It is well known that

Vitamin D stimulates the absorption of calcium. It is especially

helpful for elderly people who don't get sufficient exposure to

sunlight (which stimulates the body's manufacture of Vitamin D).

 

Your calcium supplement should also contain Boron.

Supplementing the

diet with Boron reduces urinary calcium excretion by as much as 44%.

It also activates vitamin D to its most active form, thus increasing

the absorption of calcium.

 

Secondly, I question whether healthy people,

should be taking an antacid on a daily basis.

 

The acid levels of our stomachs help to

break down proteins, form vitamin B12 and paradoxically make calcium

more easily absorbable.

 

In fact one of the risk factors for

developing Osteoporosis is long term use of antacids.

 

JoAnn Guest

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In a message dated 4/15/02 3:27:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

joguest writes:

 

<< The best absorbed calcium source is in the form of

calcium bound to citrate, gluconate, or some other organic molecule.

It is a more expensive product, but well worth it.

 

<<Your calcium supplement should also contain Magnesium, the matrix

substance of bone (proteins) and Vitamin D.>>

 

I take Solaray Magnesium Asporotate , a 1 to 2 ratio with calcium.. I only

take the vit. d in my daily supplement. I hesitate to include it in my

calcium pill because I may be getting too much. I thought that 400 IU is all

that is required.

 

<<sunlight (which stimulates the body's manufacture of Vitamin D).>>

Probably get most of my sunshine in the car.

 

<< Your calcium supplement should also contain Boron.>>

I currently take 1 daily supplement of Boron (3mg). I prefer to take

each item separately to control the amount more easily. Should each calcium

tablet have some of the Boron, Vit D for better absorption. Since I only

take these in the morning, would this be a problem in so far as absorption of

the calcium. Since I try to take 1200 to 1500 mg of calcium, I am concerned

with an overload of boran and vitamin D.

1

<< Secondly, I question whether healthy people, should be taking an antacid

on a daily basis. The acid levels of our stomachs help to break down

proteins, form vitamin B12 and paradoxically make calcium more easily

absorbable. In fact one of the risk factors for developing Osteoporosis is

long term use of antacids...

 

Then, any brand of calcium citrate would be bad for you. It really is

confusing,

 

Best of Health,

Jean

[Guest guest]

---Jean,

I would not be concerned with taking large amounts of calcium as

your bones will only absorb small amounts needed while the excess

will be transferred into your bloodstream and may cause future

blockages. Your supplement is providing you with the proper amounts

of boron, although lack of Vitamin D could be problematic.

Sunlight is essential. At least twenty minutes daily is preferred.

When riding, do not wear sunshades as they will prevent sunlight from

entering the body thru the optical nerve.

Also, I have found Spectrum fish oils to be very helpful in

providing my essential dosage of vitamin D as I do not drink enriched

milk. I take 1,000 mgs or more daily. Our bodies require more

essential fatty acids on a daily basis than we realize. These fish

oils are higher quality D, as those in dairy are artificially

derived. These can also be obtained from green leafy vegetables.

(organic of course)

 

 

" Osteoporosis is NOT a problem that should be associated with lack of

calcium intake.

 

Osteoporosis results from calcium loss.

 

The massive amounts of protein in milk result in a 50 percent loss of

calcium in the urine. In other words, by doubling your protein intake

there will be a loss of 1-1.5 percent in skeletal mass per year in

postmenopausal women.

 

The calcium contained in leafy green vegetables is more easily

absorbed than the calcium in milk, and plant proteins do not result

in

calcium loss the same way as do animal proteins. If a postmenopausal

woman loses 1-1.5 percent bone mass per year, what will be the effect

after 20 years?

When osteoporosis occurs levels of calcium (being excreted from the

bones)in the blood are high. "

 

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In Gettingwell, gemno@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/15/02 3:27:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> joguest@m... writes:

>

> << The best absorbed calcium source is in the form of

> calcium bound to citrate, gluconate,

 

> <<sunlight (which stimulates the body's manufacture of Vitamin

D).>>

> Probably get most of my sunshine in the car.

 

> I currently take 1 daily supplement of Boron (3mg). I prefer

to take

 

> the calcium. Since I try to take 1200 to 1500 mg of calcium, I am

 

 

> Best of Health,

> Jean

[Guest guest]

---Yes Jean, it is confusing and allopathic medicine's portrayal of

the role of calcium as the sole saviour confuses the issue even

further! If we could get a few good honest answers from our

practitioners, it would help quite a bit in my estimation.

From the way this article puts it, and this is a controversial

subject....the excess calcium that we take in just contributes to

osteoblast die-off and this also can be due to the lack of estrogen

in postmenopausal women.

 

" Osteoblasts are essential for rebuilding the bone matrix.

" But 50 to 70% of the composing osteoblasts

die in the composition of new matrix.

(4) The more their activity is stimulated,

the more of them die. "

The absorption of calcium requires the activity

of specialized cells: osteoblasts.

These osteoblasts also compose

pre-calcified bone-matrix,

upon which the calcium can precipitate.

 

 

" And since only these osteoblasts

can compose bone-matrix, too little new bone-matrix

can be composed.

But without the matrix,

the calcium cannot precipitate,

and new bone cannot be composed,

while old bone is constantly being decomposed anyway,

to be replaced by new bone. "

 

 

(It is said that anything over *500 mgs* of calcium a day can be

excessive.) (The amounts your body can tolerate could depend on your

own physical makeup, but this is the stated norm)

 

" Since the number of times a cell can reproduce is fixed,

the reproduction capacity will be exhausted sooner if much calcium is

absorbed on a regular basis. "

And if reproduction capacity is exhausted, there will be a lack of

new osteoblasts.

And since only these osteoblasts

can compose bone-matrix, too little new bone-matrix

can be composed. But without the matrix,

the calcium cannot precipitate,

and new bone cannot be composed,

while old bone is constantly being decomposed anyway,

to be replaced by new bone. "

 

So, how exactly is bone-metabolism influenced by estrogen?

 

(We as menopausal women have too little estrogen. Natural estrogen is

protective in the way described below:)

 

Estrogen inhibits both the uptake of calcium into the bones

(1) and deportation of calcium from the bones.

(See Calcium Hormones) (So there will not be an excess of calcium

that eventually causes the osteoblast die-off.)

 

 

 

 

But how exactly can processing more calcium cause osteoporosis?

 

The absorption of calcium requires the activity

of specialized cells: osteoblasts.

These osteoblasts also compose

pre-calcified bone-matrix,

upon which the calcium can precipitate.

 

Deportation of calcium from the bones

requires the activity of osteoclasts.

 

If more calcium is absorbed into the bones,

like due to a lack of estrogen

(2), the production and activity of both

osteoblasts and osteoclasts is increased

(3) (as in hyperparathyroidism).

If much calcium is absorbed,

much calcium is deported.

 

 

But 50 to 70% of the composing osteoblasts

die in the composition of new matrix.

(4) The more their activity is stimulated,

the more of them die (5).

And sincen estrogen inhibits uptake of calcium,

estrogen prevents the death of osteoblasts (6).

 

 

 

Since the number of times a cell can reproduce is fixed,

the reproduction capacity will be exhausted sooner if much calcium is

absorbed on a regular basis.

And if reproduction capacity is exhausted, there will be a lack of

new

osteoblasts.

And since only these osteoblasts

can compose bone-matrix, too little new bone-matrix

can be composed. But without the matrix,

the calcium cannot precipitate,

and new bone cannot be composed,

while old bone is constantly being decomposed anyway,

to be replaced by new bone.

 

 

Since there is a lack of pre-calcified bone matrix

upon which to build, replacement cannot occur,

and porous holes will begin to appear.

 

And this is exactly what happens in osteoporosis:

in osteoporotic bone the osteoblasts cannot reproduce adequately

anymore, and thus less osteoblasts are available

 

(8) and/or the **activity of osteoblasts is at least impaired**,

(9) like `exaggeratedly aged' bones.

(10) In osteoporotic bones there is less matrix available

that can yet be calcified than in healthy bones.

(11) In osteoporosis dead cells cannot be replaced and micro-

fractures

cannot be repaired. (12)

 

 

And in post-menopausal women,

estrogen level is permanently decreased. (I differ here...These

levels can be restored through intake of natural phytoestrogens on a

daily basis. I have experienced this myself.)

 

 

 

If we knew exactly how estrogen protects

against premature aging of the bones,

we would also know how the opposite

process enhances osteoporosis.

 

So, how exactly is bone-metabolism influenced by estrogen?

 

*Estrogen inhibits both the uptake of calcium into the bones

(1) and deportation of calcium from the bones*. (preventing excessive

amounts of calcium from entering the bones. This is the source of the

problem in menopause and perimenopausal women who are deficient in

natural estrogen.)

 

I disagree with the final assertion that the process cannot be

reversed. I think it can if the excess calcium is eliminated in time

to save the remaining osteoblasts!!

 

If I had osteoporosis, I would not touch any dairy products and eat

very little meat on a daily basis, (even if they are organic) as the

phosphoric acids in dairy products and meats, (even poultry) will

exacerbate the problem even more. Phosphoric acids *cause* BONE

LOSS!!!

And...to top it all off...the artifical Bovine Growth Hormones wreak

havoc on our estrogen levels and tend to destroy our natural estrogen

levels that are protective to our bones!

 

If you're interested I have an article to that effect.

I hope that this clears up some of the grey shady areas.

So you can see, *less* is better absorbed than more!!

I take as much magnesium,potassium and vitamin D as I do calcium or

more with good results. My bones are good as any!

 

JoAnn Guest

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gemno@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/15/02 3:27:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> joguest@m... writes:

 

Since I try to take 1200 to 1500 mg of calcium, I am concerned

 

>

> Then, any brand of calcium citrate would be bad for you. It really

is

> confusing,

>

> Best of Health,

> Jean

[Guest guest]

JoAnn - does this work for all supplements or only calcium?

 

Marianne

 

In a message dated 14/04/02 17:30:53 GMT Daylight Time,

joguest writes:

 

 

> There is confusing array of calcium supplements on the market. If you

> want to know how well the one you are taking is absorbed, do the

> following test. Place your supplement in a glass of warm vinegar for

> thirty minutes, stirring every few minutes. The warm vinegar roughly

> represents the conditions found in your gut. If the supplement does

> not

> dissolve after half an hour, try another type.

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I will have a little experimentation evening later this week and report back

on the results - will be interesting to see.

 

Thanks

Marianne

 

In a message dated 29/04/02 18:26:30 GMT Daylight Time,

joguest writes:

 

 

> Good question Marianne-- I just assumed that this particular test

> might be used for any supplement as the vinegar is very similar to

> the hydrochloric acids in digestive fluids. I think I would try the

> others if I were you and see how well they dissolve also. Could give

> you some idea of how well your body is absorbing them anyway.

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

--- Good question Marianne-- I just assumed that this particular test

might be used for any supplement as the vinegar is very similar to

the hydrochloric acids in digestive fluids. I think I would try the

others if I were you and see how well they dissolve also. Could give

you some idea of how well your body is absorbing them anyway.

 

JoAnn Guest

joguest

Friendsforhealthnaturally

http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html

 

marianne2406@a... wrote:

> JoAnn - does this work for all supplements or only calcium?

 

> > There is confusing array of calcium supplements on the market. If

> > want to know how well the one you are taking is absorbed, do the

> > following test. Place your supplement in a glass of warm vinegar

> > thirty minutes, stirring every few minutes. The warm vinegar

roughly

> > represents the conditions found in your gut. If the supplement

> > dissolve after half an hour, try another type.

[Guest guest]

It is my understanding that stomach acid is much more acidic than

vinegar. It is also my understanding that food in the stomach is mixed &

churned to get good mixing of the enzymes & acid with the food. So I

suspect the little test suggested would be of little value.

 

Alobar

 

 

-

<marianne2406

 

Monday, April 29, 2002 1:53 PM

Re: Re: Fwd: [FWD: Supplements for

Osteoporosis-Calcium]

 

 

> I will have a little experimentation evening later this week and report

back

> on the results - will be interesting to see.

>

> Thanks

> Marianne

>

> In a message dated 29/04/02 18:26:30 GMT Daylight Time,

> joguest writes:

>

>

> > Good question Marianne-- I just assumed that this particular test

> > might be used for any supplement as the vinegar is very similar to

> > the hydrochloric acids in digestive fluids. I think I would try the

> > others if I were you and see how well they dissolve also. Could give

> > you some idea of how well your body is absorbing them anyway.

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/20/02 12:07:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

joguest writes:

 

<< f I had osteoporosis, I would not touch any dairy products and eat

very little meat on a daily basis, (even if they are organic) as the

phosphoric acids in dairy products and meats, (even poultry) will

exacerbate the problem even more. Phosphoric acids *cause* BONE

LOSS!!!

And...to top it all off...the artifical Bovine Growth Hormones wreak

havoc on our estrogen levels and tend to destroy our natural estrogen

levels that are protective to our bones!

If you're interested I have an article to that effect. >>

 

Hi JoAnn,

Thanks for this great info. I only buy organic dairy which shouldn't have

BGH and as you say any dairy may not be good for me. Is there a book I

can.read that would be helpful? I borrowed some books from the library

....One " The Osteoporosis Solution " which has info about Ipriflavone seems

interesting.

I fell last week and broke 2 bones in my knuckles. I can see I have to

try and do more for my condition.

I am reading " The Green Pharmacy " by James A. Duke. It is a fabulous

book and worth owning.

 

Cheers.

Jean

[Guest guest]

---Jean,

It is my understanding that the calcium to phosphorus ratio is

VERY important, especially for those of us who are getting up in age

a bit. :-)

High protein diets are the norm in this country as we all know. Seems

that this would be common knowledge as osteoporosis is becoming

common in older women and recently, also men!

As Dr. Lee states, our estrogen levels fall over time and that

along with the artificial hormones (BGH) found in dairy and meats

contribute to our problems in a very real way!!

There are many factors involved in Osteoporosis.

It is sad to hear of your accident. :-) We will pray for a full

recovery for you. So glad to hear you are finding more of those good

organic fruits and veggies.

I do believe that Organic foods have more vital nutrients, and

studies have proven that magnesium and potassium along with vitamin D

and Boron are just as essential as calcium in the formation of new

bone. Keep eating those sardines, they will do you a world of good.

We need that vitamin D! I've been reading so much about milk on the

net. Even the vitamin D contained in traditional dairy can be toxic

at times due to the synthetics they use in the processing.

It is good to hear you are finding some good books on the

subject. James A. Dukes is so good, isn't he? So much knowledge

squeezed in the pages of his little book! Every page is packed with

info. I have read and re-read most of his works and every time I find

something new. LOL

Dr. Dukes is one of the experts who have saved and turned my life

around!! I wish he had a website. We need his expertise, that's for

sure!

God Bless,

JoAnn

 

JoAnn Guest

jogest

Friendsforhealthnaturally

http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html

 

In Gettingwell, gemno@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/20/02 12:07:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> joguest@m... writes:

>

> << f I had osteoporosis, I would not touch any dairy products and

eat

> very little meat on a daily basis, (even if they are organic) as

the

> phosphoric acids in dairy products and meats, (even poultry) will

> exacerbate the problem even more. Phosphoric acids *cause* BONE

> LOSS!!!

> And...to top it all off...the artifical Bovine Growth Hormones

wreak

> havoc on our estrogen levels and tend to destroy our natural

estrogen

> levels that are protective to our bones!

> If you're interested I have an article to that effect. >>

>

> Hi JoAnn,

> Thanks for this great info. I only buy organic dairy which

shouldn't have

> BGH and as you say any dairy may not be good for me. Is there a

book I

> can.read that would be helpful? I borrowed some books from the

library

> ...One " The Osteoporosis Solution " which has info about

Ipriflavone seems

> interesting.

> I fell last week and broke 2 bones in my knuckles. I can see

I have to

> try and do more for my condition.

> I am reading " The Green Pharmacy " by James A. Duke. It is a

fabulous

> book and worth owning.

>

> Cheers.

> Jean

[Guest guest]

JoAnn

Reach Dr. Dukes, and urge him to start a website. All he may need, is a

little encouragement.

 

-

" mrsjoguest " <joguest

 

Tuesday, May 14, 2002 9:14 AM

Re: Fwd: [FWD: Supplements for Osteoporosis-Calcium]

 

 

> ---Jean,

> It is my understanding that the calcium to phosphorus ratio is

> VERY important, especially for those of us who are getting up in age

> a bit. :-)

> High protein diets are the norm in this country as we all know. Seems

> that this would be common knowledge as osteoporosis is becoming

> common in older women and recently, also men!

> As Dr. Lee states, our estrogen levels fall over time and that

> along with the artificial hormones (BGH) found in dairy and meats

> contribute to our problems in a very real way!!

> There are many factors involved in Osteoporosis.

> It is sad to hear of your accident. :-) We will pray for a full

> recovery for you. So glad to hear you are finding more of those good

> organic fruits and veggies.

> I do believe that Organic foods have more vital nutrients, and

> studies have proven that magnesium and potassium along with vitamin D

> and Boron are just as essential as calcium in the formation of new

> bone. Keep eating those sardines, they will do you a world of good.

> We need that vitamin D! I've been reading so much about milk on the

> net. Even the vitamin D contained in traditional dairy can be toxic

> at times due to the synthetics they use in the processing.

> It is good to hear you are finding some good books on the

> subject. James A. Dukes is so good, isn't he? So much knowledge

> squeezed in the pages of his little book! Every page is packed with

> info. I have read and re-read most of his works and every time I find

> something new. LOL

> Dr. Dukes is one of the experts who have saved and turned my life

> around!! I wish he had a website. We need his expertise, that's for

> sure!

> God Bless,

> JoAnn

>

> JoAnn Guest

> jogest

> Friendsforhealthnaturally

> http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html

>

> In Gettingwell, gemno@a... wrote:

> > In a message dated 4/20/02 12:07:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> > joguest@m... writes:

> >

> > << f I had osteoporosis, I would not touch any dairy products and

> eat

> > very little meat on a daily basis, (even if they are organic) as

> the

> > phosphoric acids in dairy products and meats, (even poultry) will

> > exacerbate the problem even more. Phosphoric acids *cause* BONE

> > LOSS!!!

> > And...to top it all off...the artifical Bovine Growth Hormones

> wreak

> > havoc on our estrogen levels and tend to destroy our natural

> estrogen

> > levels that are protective to our bones!

> > If you're interested I have an article to that effect. >>

> >

> > Hi JoAnn,

> > Thanks for this great info. I only buy organic dairy which

> shouldn't have

> > BGH and as you say any dairy may not be good for me. Is there a

> book I

> > can.read that would be helpful? I borrowed some books from the

> library

> > ...One " The Osteoporosis Solution " which has info about

> Ipriflavone seems

> > interesting.

> > I fell last week and broke 2 bones in my knuckles. I can see

> I have to

> > try and do more for my condition.

> > I am reading " The Green Pharmacy " by James A. Duke. It is a

> fabulous

> > book and worth owning.

> >

> > Cheers.

> > Jean

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

---John,

He could very well already have one. There was a message to that

effect on here several months previous. Perhaps it would be in the

archives somewhere...

Hmmm...perhaps I'll do a search this evening and see if I can come

up with anything.

I do know he ran an article on several sites...mothernature.com...was

one of them.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Might be worth a try. :-)

If his site is anything like his books, it's well worth reading!

 

JoAnn

 

In Gettingwell, " John Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> wrote:

> JoAnn

> Reach Dr. Dukes, and urge him to start a website. All he may need,

is a

> little encouragement.

>

> -

> " mrsjoguest " <joguest@m...>

> <Gettingwell>

> Tuesday, May 14, 2002 9:14 AM

> Re: Fwd: [FWD: Supplements for Osteoporosis-

Calcium]

>

>

> > ---Jean,

> > It is my understanding that the calcium to phosphorus ratio is

> > VERY important, especially for those of us who are getting up in

age

> > a bit. :-)

> > High protein diets are the norm in this country as we all know.

Seems

> > that this would be common knowledge as osteoporosis is becoming

> > common in older women and recently, also men!

> > As Dr. Lee states, our estrogen levels fall over time and that

> > along with the artificial hormones (BGH) found in dairy and meats

> > contribute to our problems in a very real way!!

> > There are many factors involved in Osteoporosis.

> > It is sad to hear of your accident. :-) We will pray for a full

> > recovery for you. So glad to hear you are finding more of those

good

> > organic fruits and veggies.

> > I do believe that Organic foods have more vital nutrients, and

> > studies have proven that magnesium and potassium along with

vitamin D

> > and Boron are just as essential as calcium in the formation of new

> > bone. Keep eating those sardines, they will do you a world of

good.

> > We need that vitamin D! I've been reading so much about milk on

the

> > net. Even the vitamin D contained in traditional dairy can be

toxic

> > at times due to the synthetics they use in the processing.

> > It is good to hear you are finding some good books on the

> > subject. James A. Dukes is so good, isn't he? So much knowledge

> > squeezed in the pages of his little book! Every page is packed

with

> > info. I have read and re-read most of his works and every time I

find

> > something new. LOL

> > Dr. Dukes is one of the experts who have saved and turned my

life

> > around!! I wish he had a website. We need his expertise, that's

for

> > sure!

> > God Bless,

> > JoAnn

> >

> > JoAnn Guest

> > jogest@m...

> > Friendsforhealthnaturally

> > http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html

> >

> > In Gettingwell, gemno@a... wrote:

> > > In a message dated 4/20/02 12:07:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> > > joguest@m... writes:

> > >

> > > << f I had osteoporosis, I would not touch any dairy products

and

> > eat

> > > very little meat on a daily basis, (even if they are organic)

as

> > the

> > > phosphoric acids in dairy products and meats, (even poultry)

will

> > > exacerbate the problem even more. Phosphoric acids *cause* BONE

> > > LOSS!!!

> > > And...to top it all off...the artifical Bovine Growth Hormones

> > wreak

> > > havoc on our estrogen levels and tend to destroy our natural

> > estrogen

> > > levels that are protective to our bones!

> > > If you're interested I have an article to that effect. >>

> > >

> > > Hi JoAnn,

> > > Thanks for this great info. I only buy organic dairy which

> > shouldn't have

> > > BGH and as you say any dairy may not be good for me. Is there a

> > book I

> > > can.read that would be helpful? I borrowed some books from the

> > library

> > > ...One " The Osteoporosis Solution " which has info about

> > Ipriflavone seems

> > > interesting.

> > > I fell last week and broke 2 bones in my knuckles. I can

see

> > I have to

> > > try and do more for my condition.

> > > I am reading " The Green Pharmacy " by James A. Duke. It

is a

> > fabulous

> > > book and worth owning.

> > >

> > > Cheers.

> > > Jean

> >

> >

> >

> > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building

health

> > and well being.

> >

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> >

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> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/14/02 12:19:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

joguest writes:

 

<< It is my understanding that the calcium to phosphorus ratio is

VERY important, especially for those of us who are getting up in age

a bit. :-).......There are many factors involved in Osteoporosis. >>

 

JoAnn...Is there a specific book that you read to get all this info about the

osteoblasts etc. Thanks .Jean

[Guest guest]

---Jean,

Unfortunately, no, although there is a website where it is

discussed in more detail.

 

http://www.4.waisays.com/

 

Cheers,

JoAnn Guest

angelprincessjo

Friendsforhealthnaturally

http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html

 

In Gettingwell, gemno@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 5/14/02 12:19:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> joguest@m... writes:

>

> << It is my understanding that the calcium to phosphorus ratio is

> VERY important, especially for those of us who are getting up in

age

> a bit. :-).......There are many factors involved in Osteoporosis.

>>

>

> JoAnn...Is there a specific book that you read to get all this info

about the

> osteoblasts etc. Thanks .Jean