The Problem with FOOD

[Guest guest]

Morning Lorenzo,

 

> >> said that I had heard that taking flax seed before a meal would also

>help to make her feel full, but I am unsure of the details. ...............

> >>Can someone help understand this better?

>YES IMHO If one ate a piece of wheat bread at the same time it should

>have the same effect!

 

The problem with conventional food is that it does not last long. When I

eat conventional food, I always get hungry about 3 hours later, if not sooner.

 

Often it is only two hours later. This and other things has led me to

believe that about 90 % of what people eat is totally worthless.

 

Plus.... the only times I have felt bad in the last two years has been

after eating a conventional meal.

 

Once years ago, when traveling, I ate a large steak, baked potato, salad,

ect for supper. I went back to the motel and read a magazine for about two

hours.

 

Suddenly, I was starving. I went out again and got a burger and malt.

 

Of course this was before I wised up and started carrying decent munching

food around with me, like sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, trail mix,

protein wafers,

ect. Now.... I can easily bypass all the " greasy spoon " places that feed

people junk.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello,

Isn't there also the problem of food not even being good for you becouse of the

added stuff to it, how does one average person eat healthy if the food that are

in grocerie stores have so much added junk to them. There has got to be a way

to get around this, I wish I knew cause i'm getting fed up with the fact that in

order to stay away from food with junk in them, I have to stop eating all

together. Does anyone have an approach to this that I may learn from???

Thanks.

Kevin Gagnon

Wayne Fugitt <wayne wrote: Morning Lorenzo,

 

> >> said that I had heard that taking flax seed before a meal would also

>help to make her feel full, but I am unsure of the details. ...............

> >>Can someone help understand this better?

>YES IMHO If one ate a piece of wheat bread at the same time it should

>have the same effect!

 

The problem with conventional food is that it does not last long. When I

eat conventional food, I always get hungry about 3 hours later, if not sooner.

 

Often it is only two hours later. This and other things has led me to

believe that about 90 % of what people eat is totally worthless.

 

Plus.... the only times I have felt bad in the last two years has been

after eating a conventional meal.

 

Once years ago, when traveling, I ate a large steak, baked potato, salad,

ect for supper. I went back to the motel and read a magazine for about two

hours.

 

Suddenly, I was starving. I went out again and got a burger and malt.

 

Of course this was before I wised up and started carrying decent munching

food around with me, like sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, trail mix,

protein wafers,

ect. Now.... I can easily bypass all the " greasy spoon " places that feed

people junk.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

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" Wayne Fugitt " <wayne

 

Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:41 AM

The Problem with FOOD

 

 

> The problem with conventional food is that it does not last long. When I

> eat conventional food, I always get hungry about 3 hours later, if not sooner.

 

Hi Wayne,

 

This is a classic case of eating too much high GI carbs as the high level of

insulin thus produced would have turned

most of the carbs into fat and stored it, leaving the liver's glycogen stores

not as full as they should have been.

 

Then, between meals, as the liver's glycogen stores run empty, the liver tells

the brain " EAT " and you do.

 

========================

Good health & long life,

Greg Watson,

http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au

[Guest guest]

-

" Kevin Gagnon " <powerofbelieving

 

Tuesday, February 12, 2002 2:00 AM

Re: The Problem with FOOD

 

 

> Isn't there also the problem of food not even being good for you becouse of

the added stuff to it, how does one

average person eat healthy if the food that are in grocerie stores have so much

added junk to them. There has got to be

a way to get around this, I wish I knew cause i'm getting fed up with the fact

that in order to stay away from food with

junk in them, I have to stop eating all together. Does anyone have an approach

to this that I may learn from???

Thanks.

 

Hi Kevin,

 

Why give your money to companies who make food for you? Raw fruit, vegetables,

chicken & fish are all very natural and

available in every food store. Enrol in a cooking class and get the gastric

juices flowing as you prepare your feast

fit for a king.

 

========================

Good health & long life,

Greg Watson,

http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au

[Guest guest]

Wayne Fugitt wrote:

 

> The problem with conventional food is that it does not last long. When I

eat

> conventional food, I always get hungry about 3 hours later, if not sooner.

>

> Often it is only two hours later. This and other things has led me to

believe

> that about 90 % of what people eat is totally worthless.

>

> Plus.... the only times I have felt bad in the last two years has been after

> eating a conventional meal.

>

> Once years ago, when traveling, I ate a large steak, baked potato, salad, ect

> for supper. I went back to the motel and read a magazine for about two hours.

>

> Suddenly, I was starving. I went out again and got a burger and malt.

>

> Of course this was before I wised up and started carrying decent munching food

> around with me, like sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, trail mix, protein

wafers,

> ect. Now.... I can easily bypass all the " greasy spoon " places that feed

> people junk.

>

> Wayne

 

I don't understand. Are you saying that conventional food doesn't last long and

so

they compel you to eat more because you get hungry soon, but that seeds, trail

mix, and such, fill you up so that you stay full longer?

 

Or are you saying that conventional food meals don't last long so you have to go

out again for another meal, but seeds, trail mix, etc. are better because

instead

of having to go out, you can carry them in your pocket and munch on whenever you

get hungry, wherever you are, and not have to go out?

 

Morton

[Guest guest]

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" Morton Bodanis " <mortonmb

 

Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:36 AM

Re: The Problem with FOOD

 

 

> I don't understand. Are you saying that conventional food doesn't last long

and so

> they compel you to eat more because you get hungry soon, but that seeds,

trail

> mix, and such, fill you up so that you stay full longer?

>

> Or are you saying that conventional food meals don't last long so you have to

go

> out again for another meal, but seeds, trail mix, etc. are better because

instead

> of having to go out, you can carry them in your pocket and munch on whenever

you

> get hungry, wherever you are, and not have to go out?

 

Hi Morton,

 

Most hunger is driven by lowering liver glycogen stores. Eating too many high

GI carbs will force the body to convert

most of the carbs into fat as the rate of glucose entry into the blood is much

higher than the ability of the body to

store it and thus glucose needed to fill the liver's glycogen stores will get

shunted off into fat storage, low liver

glycogen stores and in between meal hunger.

========================

Good health & long life,

Greg Watson,

http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au

[Guest guest]

Evening Greg,

 

>This is a classic case of eating too much high GI carbs as the high level

>of insulin thus produced would have turned most of the carbs into fat and

>stored it, leaving the liver's glycogen stores not as full as they should

>have been.

 

That has been puzzling me for years. I thought it was because I

digested all that food so quickly. <grin>

 

Seriously, I do often have a very empty feeling after eating some

foods. Never after munching out on trail mix.

 

One of the biggest treats and best meals I have had in years was trailmix

and fresh coconut. This was the best coconut I have ever come across. For

supper, all I ate was trailmix and coconut. I had never had that

combination together. It really goes great together, just those two items.

 

 

>Then, between meals, as the liver's glycogen stores run empty, the liver

>tells the brain " EAT " and you do.

 

Yes, there are lots of data messages being transferred around in the

body. Often I am amazed that no data packets collide.

 

Have you read much about this idea of " the brain in the

gut " ? Supposedly there are many times more messages sent from the gut to

the brain, than from the brain to the gut. It memory serves correctly,

it is 30 times the number.

 

I think the body can get highly confused when one eats a thanksgiving

dinner. When you look at the gosh awful combination that some eat, it is

no wonder they have indigestion. For the last several years, I always eat

less than anyone at thanksgiving dinner. Usually about 2 or 3 hours later,

I may find my way to the kitchen again.

 

The smaller meals seems to serve me much better as I get older.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

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" Wayne Fugitt " <wayne

 

Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:40 AM

Re: The Problem with FOOD

 

 

> The smaller meals seems to serve me much better as I get older.

 

Hi Wayne,

 

Look at filling up your liver's glycogen stores as like filling your car's

petrol tank with a can and funnel. Pour the

petrol into the funnel faster than the funnel can empty it and petrol will

spill onto the ground. Likewise continue to

pour it in the funnel (even very slowly) then the tank is full and it will again

spill over and onto the ground. Eating

low GI carbs allows the rate of entry of the glucose into the blood to be equal

to or less than the storage / disposal

rate and thus your liver gets filled with glycogen and little of your meals

carbs will turn into fat.

 

Even if you eat enough carbs to fill your liver's glycogen stores, you may get

only a little in there and experience

hunger mid meals if the GI of the meal carbs is too high This rate of entry of

glucose into the liver is what the GI

and GL are all about.

 

Eating small meals, more often also helps as it limits the max carbs in one meal

and allows most of them to be stored as

glycogen and not fat even if the GI is not ideal.

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Good health & long life,

Greg Watson,

http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au

[Guest guest]

Evening Morton,

 

I read Greg's message. From a technical standpoint, I feel he is 100%

correct.

 

>I don't understand. Are you saying that conventional food doesn't last

>long and so

>they compel you to eat more because you get hungry soon, but that seeds,

>trail

>mix, and such, fill you up so that you stay full longer?

 

From a non-technical, first hand experience, this is how it worked for me.

 

I became so fed up and disgusted with conventional food, I started working

on something that I liked, was loaded with nutrients, and required no

preparation.

 

For years I had eaten all these ingredients individually. So, I just

combined them together in a ratio that seems right.

I lost 30 pounds eating trailmix and water. Of course I ate a little

conventional food, about 1 meal every two days.

 

 

Often when I come in from a days work or a days hiking, my wife would have

a conventional meal cooked. I would not eat anything. This really

irritates any cook, but that is a problem of another kind. Sometimes two

or three hours later I would either eat a salad or eggs, onions, and bell

peppers. Often I can go 12 to 15 hours with nothing but a few ounces of

trailmix and water. So.... why eat when you are not hungry? I have only

been working on this method for about two years. I fear at times I am not

eating enough, but my body weight has not changed 1 pound in the last 8 to

10 months. Before that was the period of time when I lost the

weight, without even trying. I have never worried about my weight. Even

though it was a few pounds too much.

 

 

>Or are you saying that conventional food meals don't last long so you have

>to go

>out again for another meal,

 

Yes, it has happened many times. It may have been the result of things

I did not understand, as Greg described.

 

>but seeds, trail mix, etc. are better because instead

>of having to go out, you can carry them in your pocket and munch on

>whenever you

>get hungry, wherever you are, and not have to go out?

 

Yes, that is what I am saying. When working alone, I never stop for

lunch. I only take a lunch break to socialize, if there is anyone to

socialize with. By keeping trailmix with me, protein wafers, and plenty

of good water, why bother going to some bogus restaurant or store to buy

inferior food?

 

You have to try the trailmix to believe it. Of course you have to go

to some trouble to get good raw ingredients that have not been roasted,

salted, or cooked is some bad oils and fats.

 

Think about it..... raw almonds, brazil nuts, raw sunflower seeds, raw

pumpkin seeds, raw peanuts, and maybe a few raisins gives you a good

balance of fats and protein, minerals, and amino acids. Often only 1 to 2

oz will be all you will eat at one time. My original recipe is

at.... www.fugitt.com/trailmix.htm

 

Generally six to 8 ounces is the most I will eat in one day. When I am on

an all day hiking trip, I will have one or two hard boiled eggs, or maybe a

can of sardines.

 

We can condition our minds and bodies to the fact that most of the foods we

think to be essential are not in fact required for us to be happy and well

nourished. Of course I am not saying I don't eat fruit from time to time

and raw vegetables.

 

As an old friend and scholar once said..... " the cooks have killed more

people than all the wars of the world put together " . When he told me

this in the 60's .... I had some doubt. Now, 40 years later, I believe it.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Greg wrote:

<<Most hunger is driven by lowering liver glycogen stores. Eating too many

high GI carbs will force the body to convert most of the carbs into fat as

the rate of glucose entry into the blood is much higher than the ability of

the body to store it and thus glucose needed to fill the liver's glycogen

stores will get shunted off into fat storage, low liver glycogen stores and

in between meal hunger.>>

 

Greg,

 

I've never read the physiological mechanism you describe above.

 

Eating too many calories or too many high glycemic carbohydrates cause blood

sugar levels to increase. This causes insulin levels to increase, to bond

with the blood glucose before entering the cells of the body.

 

In general, the glucose-insulin bond enters the cells in this order (a bit

of an oversimplification):

1 muscles

2 liver (as glycogen)

3 fat

 

Cellular insulin resistance can delay this smooth transition. When muscle

cells become insulin resistant, the blood sugar-insulin bond may not be able

to enter the muscle cells efficiently. This may 'starve' the muscles cells

of glucose, all-the-while, blood sugar levels remain high. This can cause

post-meal fatigue.

 

The glucose-insulin bond will attempt to recharge the liver as glycogen.

Insulin resistance can hamper this too, but I'm not aware of it creating low

glycogen stores.

 

Because of insulin resistance, the liver does convert elevated

glucose-insulin to fat, for storage in the fat cells.

 

Eventually, even fat cells can become insulin resistant where the

glucose-insulin is largely " shut out " of the muscles, liver, and fat.

Glucose is stranded at elevated levels in the bloodstream, a condition known

as type 2 (or adult onset) diabetes.

 

Hunger is often associated with reactive hypoglycemia. When high levels of

insulin overcome cellular insulin resistance, it may carry too much blood

glucose into the cells (muscles, liver, fat), leaving too little in the

bloodstream, available for the brain. This causes fatigue, difficulty

concentrating, and hunger too.

 

My guess is that Wayne suffers from some level of insulin resistance and/or

reactive hypoglycemia. The high levels of insulin or low blood sugar may

trigger hunger, especially for sweets.

 

Snacking on trail mix avoids the high blood glucose and corresponding

hyperinsulinemia. Trail mix is rich in the 'good' fats which help to slow

the entrance of calories into the bloodstream (thus preventing blood sugar

and insulin peaks)

 

People with insulin resistance are normally expected to be overweight to

some degree, especially in the abdomen. However, a few thin people also

suffer hyperinsulinemia and/or reactive hypoglycemia following a calorie or

carbohydrate-rich meal.

 

Rob

[Guest guest]

>Then, between meals, as the liver's glycogen stores run empty, the liver

>tells the brain " EAT " and you do.

 

Liver glycogen stores should last many hours.

 

Lower insulin levels, in between meals, crosses the blood brain barrier to

interact with the hypothalamus to

prevent the synthesis of neuropeptide Y, probably the most potent stimulator

of appetite (hunger).

 

Rob

[Guest guest]

-

" Rob Bartlett " <rob.bartlett

 

Tuesday, February 12, 2002 2:18 PM

Re: The Problem with FOOD

 

 

> Greg wrote:

> <<Most hunger is driven by lowering liver glycogen stores. Eating too many

> high GI carbs will force the body to convert most of the carbs into fat as

> the rate of glucose entry into the blood is much higher than the ability of

> the body to store it and thus glucose needed to fill the liver's glycogen

> stores will get shunted off into fat storage, low liver glycogen stores and

> in between meal hunger.>>

>

> Greg,

>

> I've never read the physiological mechanism you describe above.

 

It is what happens.

 

> Eating too many calories or too many high glycemic carbohydrates cause blood

> sugar levels to increase. This causes insulin levels to increase, to bond

> with the blood glucose before entering the cells of the body.

 

Insulin actually bonds with the cell surface insulin receptor and open the cells

door to transport glucose inside.

There is no insulin / glucose binding.

 

> In general, the glucose-insulin bond enters the cells in this order (a bit

> of an oversimplification):

> 1 muscles

> 2 liver (as glycogen)

> 3 fat

 

Yes muscles are rapid glucose transporters, then the liver, then finally

converted into Myristric (c14:0) and packed

into a VLDL transporter for transit to the fat storage cells.

 

However all these transoprt systems have a limit on the rate of glucose

transportnad it is when the glucose input from

the intestines exceeds the rate of glucose removal that glucose rises and so to

does insulin to activate more cell

surface insulin receptors.

 

Here is a good moving example of the role if insulin triggering cell surface

receptors and opening the cells glucose

transporter system:

Physiologic Effects of Insulin

http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/pancreas/insulin_phys.\

html

 

Click on the " Add Glucose " button. The red moving oval is Insulin and the

smaller blue dots glucose.

 

> Cellular insulin resistance can delay this smooth transition. When muscle

> cells become insulin resistant, the blood sugar-insulin bond may not be able

> to enter the muscle cells efficiently. This may 'starve' the muscles cells

> of glucose, all-the-while, blood sugar levels remain high. This can cause

> post-meal fatigue.

 

Insulin is not required for glucose to enter muscle cells. Exercising muscle

cells absorb glucose directly from the

blood. A liver low of glycogen is what caused blood glucose levels to dip and

fatigue to occur.

 

> The glucose-insulin bond will attempt to recharge the liver as glycogen.

> Insulin resistance can hamper this too, but I'm not aware of it creating low

> glycogen stores.

 

There is no glucose-insulin bond. With respect, where did you get this?

 

> Because of insulin resistance, the liver does convert elevated

> glucose-insulin to fat, for storage in the fat cells.

 

Elevated glucose and insulin are triggers for glucose to fat conversion and a

person with normal insulin resistance

levels can make this happen by overloading the glucose disposal system.

Advanced insullin resistance just make it

happen sooner and at lower carb levels.

 

> Eventually, even fat cells can become insulin resistant where the

> glucose-insulin is largely " shut out " of the muscles, liver, and fat.

 

If anything elevated insulin resistance increases fat storage as the high

insulin generates high levels of hormone

sensitive lipase which rapidly breaks down VLDL, IDLD and LDL fat carriers and

stores the fat inside. High insulin also

makes it harder and harder for the liver to get at it's glycogen stores as the

high insullin is telling the liver that

blood glucose level are high and thus it does not attemp to control dropping

blood glucose levels and the person becomes

highly hypoglycemic.

 

> Glucose is stranded at elevated levels in the bloodstream, a condition known

> as type 2 (or adult onset) diabetes.

>

> Hunger is often associated with reactive hypoglycemia. When high levels of

> insulin overcome cellular insulin resistance, it may carry too much blood

> glucose into the cells (muscles, liver, fat), leaving too little in the

> bloodstream, available for the brain. This causes fatigue, difficulty

> concentrating, and hunger too.

 

Hi Rob,

 

What actually happens is that the pancreas is putting out way too much insulin

for the level of glucose and the liver is

working to store what it think is excessive glucose, when it is really too low

and thus the liver can't react to falling

blood glucose and the result is very poor blood glucose control. The difference

here is that the liver does not sense

blood glucose levels and instead reacts to the pancrea's insulin and glucagon

hormoal outputs and gets out of sync with

what is actually happening to the level of glucose.

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Good health & long life,

Greg Watson,

http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au

[Guest guest]

<Hi Kevin,>

 

<Why give your money to companies who make food for you? Raw fruit, vegetables,

chicken & fish are all very natural and

available in every food store. Enrol in a cooking class and get the gastric

juices flowing as you prepare your feast

fit for a king.>

 

Hello Greg,

 

I understand that there is allot of natural foods in the store, but i'm fed up

with the way the food is produced today. There must be away around this, does

anyone know of what maybe I should look for where shoping so I know it is

produced without added procedures that are just depleting the product all

together by the time it gets on my table.

 

Kevin Gagnon

 

Greg Watson <gowatson wrote: -

" Kevin Gagnon " <powerofbelieving

 

Tuesday, February 12, 2002 2:00 AM

Re: The Problem with FOOD

 

 

> Isn't there also the problem of food not even being good for you becouse of

the added stuff to it, how does one

average person eat healthy if the food that are in grocerie stores have so much

added junk to them. There has got to be

a way to get around this, I wish I knew cause i'm getting fed up with the fact

that in order to stay away from food with

junk in them, I have to stop eating all together. Does anyone have an approach

to this that I may learn from???

Thanks.

 

Hi Kevin,

 

Why give your money to companies who make food for you? Raw fruit, vegetables,

chicken & fish are all very natural and

available in every food store. Enrol in a cooking class and get the gastric

juices flowing as you prepare your feast

fit for a king.

 

========================

Good health & long life,

Greg Watson,

http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

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" Kevin Gagnon " <powerofbelieving

 

Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:24 PM

Re: The Problem with FOOD

 

 

> I understand that there is allot of natural foods in the store, but i'm fed up

with the way the food is produced

today. There must be away around this, does anyone know of what maybe I should

look for where shoping so I know it is

produced without added procedures that are just depleting the product all

together by the time it gets on my table.

 

Hi Kevin,

 

Berries, veggies and fruits and the least processed foods. Start you day with a

fruit smoothie:

 

1/2 cup blueberries

1/2 cup strawberries

10 pitted prunes

1/2 banana

1 kiwi fruit

1/2 cup coconut milk

 

Not a lot of processing there and heaps of digestive enzymes as well as

anti-oxidants and other nutrients.

 

Then do a tuna or salmon salad (use at least 6 veggies) for lunch and follow up

with say steamed chicken beast and

lightly blanched fresh veggies for dinner. Mix up some VCNO and EVOO if you

want some oils on the salad and / or

veggies. Also it is easy to mix up some VCNO mayonnaise if you use it.

 

PS: A glass of red wine with lunch and dinner is also anti-oxidant packed.

========================

Good health & long life,

Greg Watson,

http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au

[Guest guest]

Hi! Newbie here....

What is this?

 

Thanks!

K

On Monday, February 11, 2002, at 09:42 PM, Greg Watson wrote:

 

> Mix up some VCNO and EVOO

[Guest guest]

-

" Kathy Dery " <gfx

 

Tuesday, February 12, 2002 4:38 PM

Re: The Problem with FOOD

 

 

> Hi! Newbie here....

> What is this?

>

> Thanks!

> K

> On Monday, February 11, 2002, at 09:42 PM, Greg Watson wrote:

>

> > Mix up some VCNO and EVOO

 

Hi Kathy,

 

My salad / veggie dressing:

 

1) 40 ml Virgin coconut oil (virgin is extra virgin in coconut oil)

2) 40 ml Extra virgin olive oil.

3) 20 ml balsamic vinegar (to taste)

4) 1 tablespoon ground flax.

 

Don't keep it in the fridge as it will go thick and give it a good shake before

pouring it out.

========================

Good health & long life,

Greg Watson,

http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au

[Guest guest]

I'm new here, (actually I've been lurking for a few weeks) but I wanted to

add something to this discussion. I have hypoglycemia, but not reactive

hypoglycemia. My insulin levels are normal. My problem is related to poor

adrenal function. The adrenal glands contribute to controlling the release

of glycogen from the liver, and when the adrenals aren't functioning

adequately, they fail to trigger the release of chemicals signaling the

liver to release stored glycogen. Regardless of how much glycogen is stored

in the liver, if the mechanism for triggering it's release is flawed, it

won't be available to help stabilize low blood sugar levels. Even having

healthy adrenal glands, if the HPA axis of the brain is not functioning

properly, it can contribute to inadequate adrenal function, and contribute

to symptoms of hypoglycemia. It is not all just insulin/glucose related. I

suspect that many people who have symptoms of hypoglycemia actually have

over-stressed adrenal glands. And part of the food cravings is because of an

increased need for seretonin to help counteract stress, not just low blood

sugar hunger.

 

Secondly, I wanted to add an additional comment about the use of trail mix

to control blood sugar levels. Trail mix contains nuts and/or seeds. Both

nuts and seeds slow down digestion because of natural chemicals in them that

resistant digestive chemicals. It's a natural mechanism to help the seed

prevent decomposition in the soil from attack by chemicals and bacteria

before the seed has a chance to sprout. So not only does the fat in the

trail mix help stabilize blood sugar levels, but because trail mix is

digested more slowly, it releases it's stored energy more slowly.

 

Having said that, eating trail mix all the time can slow down the

transition of the non-seed/nut components of trail mix through the digestive

tract, increasing the growth of non-beneficial organisms. Eating foods that

increase the speed which food passes through the intestines (such as high

fiber, water retaining raw foods) can reduce the absorption of toxins

produced in the intestines. So I don't think that trail mix should be a

primary food in a diet eaten every day. It can create problems in the long

term. Secondly, trail mix is made up of dried foods which lack enzymes. It

uses up more enzymes than it contributes, which can also lead to problems if

it is displacing foods that are enzyme rich from the diet.

 

And one final problem with many trail mixes - Many nuts are loaded with

mycotoxins. (Peanuts are probably the worst, but other nuts also have major

problems with mycotoxins.) Eating lots of nuts all the time can put extra

strain on the liver.

 

Linda Jones

lindaj

[Guest guest]

Thanks Rob and Greg,

 

for clearing up my confusion a bit.

 

>My guess is that Wayne suffers from some level of insulin resistance and/or

>reactive hypoglycemia. The high levels of insulin or low blood sugar may

>trigger hunger, especially for sweets.

 

I have suspected this at times myself. I have not been able to

collect any evidence of this, other than the

strange symptoms I experience at times after eating full meals of

conventional food.

 

So many of my friends and associates have diabetes, I have studied

glucose and insulin .... and tried to modify my eating habits in the same

manner I think a diabetic should eat. Unfortunately, I can't find a guinea

pig diabetic to try my eating habits and ideas.

 

I do check my glucose from time to time and even had a blood insulin

test done about six weeks ago.

The normal range shown on my reports was from 3 to 22. My reading was a 5.

 

Often my glucose readings are in the low to mid 80's, ranging from 81,

83, and 85. The highest readings are 90 and

110. http://www.fugitt.com/blood/wf_1227.jpg This test was not a

fasting test as per the standards. Reason being, I had to go by the lab

and work this into my work schedule for the day. So,

the blood was drawn at 12:30 PM and I had a small amount of food 3.5 hours

before.

 

My glucose reading from a true 12 hour fast was 96 on January 2, 2002

All of my blood reports for the last two years can be seen at

www.fugitt.com/blood.htm

 

Some of this information and the knowledge gained from this list.....

adds to my understanding of this complex subject.

 

Still, I think I have some minor problem, when I am not eating trailmix

regularly every day.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

<<...The difference here is that the liver does not sense blood glucose

levels and instead reacts to the pancrea's insulin and glucagon hormonal

outputs and gets out of sync with what is actually happening to the level of

glucose.>>

 

Greg,

 

One of the roles of glucagon is to signal the liver to convert stored

glycogen to blood glucose. The liver doesn't sense this one its own. It

needs a hormonal trigger - glucagon.

 

It some people, glucagon may be inhibited from signaling the liver to

convert glycogen to blood glucose. Glucagon can be inhibited by high

insulin (hyperinsulinemia/insulin resistance) or by organic, physical

defects such as damage to the pancreatic alpha cells.

 

When glucagon is inhibited, the adrenals release adrenaline and cortisol to

signal the liver to convert glycogen to blood glucose, thus raising low or

rapidly falling blood sugar levels. When " screaming " adrenaline and

cortisol are called to " save the day " , they bring with it the symptoms of

hypoglycemia: nervousness, irritation, fatigue, difficulty concentrating...

 

Rob

[Guest guest]

Would inhibition of glucagon by damage to pancreatic alpha cells also be

connected with insufficient insulin levels? I'm not sure what alpha cells

are. I'm assuming that they're not the insulin producing cells in the

pancreas. It's just that seldom is one isolated group of cells damaged.

Usually when one group of cells is damaged, there seems to be a rebound

effect on surrounding cells in some way. So what would damage the alpha

cells in isolation from the other cells?

 

Linda Jones

lindaj

 

-

" Rob Bartlett " <rob.bartlett

 

Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:50 AM

Re: The Problem with FOOD

 

 

> <<...The difference here is that the liver does not sense blood glucose

> levels and instead reacts to the pancrea's insulin and glucagon hormonal

> outputs and gets out of sync with what is actually happening to the level

of

> glucose.>>

>

> Greg,

>

> One of the roles of glucagon is to signal the liver to convert stored

> glycogen to blood glucose. The liver doesn't sense this one its own. It

> needs a hormonal trigger - glucagon.

>

> It some people, glucagon may be inhibited from signaling the liver to

> convert glycogen to blood glucose. Glucagon can be inhibited by high

> insulin (hyperinsulinemia/insulin resistance) or by organic, physical

> defects such as damage to the pancreatic alpha cells.

>

> When glucagon is inhibited, the adrenals release adrenaline and cortisol

to

> signal the liver to convert glycogen to blood glucose, thus raising low or

> rapidly falling blood sugar levels. When " screaming " adrenaline and

> cortisol are called to " save the day " , they bring with it the symptoms of

> hypoglycemia: nervousness, irritation, fatigue, difficulty

concentrating...

>

> Rob

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

--- Visit the natural foods aisle of your local grocery.

 

Kevin Gagnon <powerofbelieving> wrote:

>

> Hello,

> Isn't there also the problem of food not even being good for you

becouse of the added stuff to it, how does one average person eat

healthy if the food that are in grocerie stores have so much added

junk to them. There has got to be a way to get around this, I wish I

knew cause i'm getting fed up with the fact that in order to stay

away from food with junk in them, I have to stop eating all

together. Does anyone have an approach to this that I may learn

from??? Thanks.

> Kevin Gagnon

> Wayne Fugitt <wayne@f...> wrote: Morning Lorenzo,

>

> > >> said that I had heard that taking flax seed before a meal

would also

> >help to make her feel full, but I am unsure of the

details. ...............

> > >>Can someone help understand this better?

> >YES IMHO If one ate a piece of wheat bread at the same time

it should

> >have the same effect!

>

> The problem with conventional food is that it does not last

long. When I

> eat conventional food, I always get hungry about 3 hours later, if

not sooner.

>

> Often it is only two hours later. This and other things has led

me to

> believe that about 90 % of what people eat is totally worthless.

>

> Plus.... the only times I have felt bad in the last two years has

been

> after eating a conventional meal.

>

> Once years ago, when traveling, I ate a large steak, baked potato,

salad,

> ect for supper. I went back to the motel and read a magazine for

about two

> hours.

>

> Suddenly, I was starving. I went out again and got a burger and

malt.

>

> Of course this was before I wised up and started carrying decent

munching

> food around with me, like sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, trail

mix,

> protein wafers,

> ect. Now.... I can easily bypass all the " greasy spoon " places

that feed

> people junk.

>

> Wayne

 

[Guest guest]

Pancreatic alpha cells (glucagon-producing) damage *may* also be correlated

with beta cell (insulin-producing) damage.

 

A past bout of pancreatitis, drug or alcohol abuse, or an auto-immune

condition can damage one or both of the beta or alpha pancreatic cells.

 

Rob

-------------------

> Would inhibition of glucagon by damage to pancreatic alpha cells also be

> connected with insufficient insulin levels?I'm not sure what alpha cells

> are. I'm assuming that they're not the insulin producing cells in the

> pancreas. It's just that seldom is one isolated group of cells damaged.

> Usually when one group of cells is damaged, there seems to be a rebound

> effect on surrounding cells in some way. So what would damage the alpha

> cells in isolation from the other cells?

[Guest guest]

Evening Linda,

 

You made a lot of interesting points about glucose, insulin, and how it is

controlled. It all seems to be based on

reliable chemistry and science, so I can't comment much on those facts.

 

>Secondly, I wanted to add an additional comment about the use of trail mix

>to control blood sugar levels.

 

I was not trying to use trailmix for that purpose. Rather I was trying

to find some food that was less evil than most all others that also

contains a very large variety of nutrients and amino acids.

 

>Trail mix contains nuts and/or seeds. Both nuts and seeds slow down

>digestion because of natural chemicals in them that resistant digestive

>chemicals.

 

So.... even if they are chewed very well, they still have that

resistance? If so, it is amazing that they certainly turn off a hunger

pain, supply energy, and keep me feeling very good for a period of

time. Even as little as two ounces has this effect.

 

>It's a natural mechanism to help the seed prevent decomposition in the

>soil from attack by chemicals and bacteria before the seed has a chance to

>sprout.

 

Being a grower of many years, I had never seen that expressed

before. The seed is a design of genius, is it not?

I have read that a plant virtually never makes a defective seed. If the

plant is water and/or nutrient stressed, instead of making 10 or 50 seeds,

it will only make one, two, or five perfect seeds. Don't we wish humans

had that same natural ability?

 

>So not only does the fat in the trail mix help stabilize blood sugar

>levels, but because trail mix is digested more slowly, it releases it's

>stored energy more slowly.

 

Very good. I like that characteristic.

 

>Having said that, eating trail mix all the time can slow down the

>transition of the non-seed/nut components of trail mix through the digestive

>tract, increasing the growth of non-beneficial organisms.

 

While this may be very true with some digestive systems, It does not

appear to be a problem with some very efficient systems.

 

>Eating foods that increase the speed which food passes through the

>intestines (such as high fiber, water retaining raw foods)

 

I thought the trailmix was relatively high fiber. I realize it is dry,

so I supply ample water.

 

 

>can reduce the absorption of toxins produced in the intestines. So I don't

>think that trail mix should be a primary food in a diet eaten every day.

>It can create problems in the long term.

 

I would agree with you if one was eating a pound or two per day, and

nothing else. I use trailmix to replace one meal per day most of the time.

On rare occasions, this could be two meals. If so, I will have a number of

protein wafers and some fruit. If you add up the nutrients, I would be

way ahead of the average diet.

 

>Secondly, trail mix is made up of dried foods which lack enzymes. It

>uses up more enzymes than it contributes, which can also lead to problems if

>it is displacing foods that are enzyme rich from the diet.

 

Trail Mix is somewhat a general term. It means many different things to

different people. It is next to impossible to buy trailmix that is

nutritionally formulated. Most of the mix in stores has undesirable qualities.

 

Trail Mix is not necessarily made of dried seed. If the items are raw,

they are somewhat dried but still contain oils.

I have been mixing my own formula with carefully selected ingredient for

over two years.

 

Raw peanuts, sunflower seeds, and pumpkin seeds, along with almonds and

walnuts, plus raisins, is my basic mix.

At times I include dry roasted soy beans and brazil nuts. They all seem

easy to digest. Of course I have been eating these individually for years,

now.... I simply combine them.

 

I have never been that concerned with enzymes. Where do they come

from? Surely primitive man could not spell enzyme much better than I

can. Considering that each generation of man gets weaker and weaker, and

our body chemistry may be to the point whereas we all have to include

enzymes in order to function properly.

 

 

>And one final problem with many trail mixes - Many nuts are loaded with

>mycotoxins. (Peanuts are probably the worst, but other nuts also have major

>problems with mycotoxins.) Eating lots of nuts all the time can put extra

>strain on the liver.

 

Is the strain on the live the only problem from the mycotoxins? Seems I

have read recently that the scientist disagree about the harm of

mycotoxins. Some say we can detoxify them and they are harmless.

 

I know people that have lived to be 80 and over 90 years that eat raw

peanuts like I do, anytime I can find them.

 

I am concerned about " lots of nuts all the time " and the extra strain on

the liver.

How would I know? I just had a liver function test. The GGTP was 23. I

have my doubts if that is a complete and reliable test.

 

Wayne

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> I do check my glucose from time to time and even had a blood insulin

> test done about six weeks ago.

> The normal range shown on my reports was from 3 to 22. My reading was a

5.

 

Presumeably, this was a fasting insulin test. This tells us that you do not

have appreciable insulin resistance.

Don't rule out food sensitivities as a cause of your post-meal hunger.

 

> Often my glucose readings are in the low to mid 80's, ranging from 81,

> 83, and 85. The highest readings are 90 and

> 110. http://www.fugitt.com/blood/wf_1227.jpg

 

This web site does not list blood glucose information.

 

Fasting levels of 87 mg/dl are average. The fact that you're a bit under is

not significant, and possibly beneficial.

 

> This test was not a

> fasting test as per the standards. Reason being, I had to go by the lab

> and work this into my work schedule for the day. So,

> the blood was drawn at 12:30 PM and I had a small amount of food 3.5 hours

> before.

 

Your results are therefore irrelevant, except as a small window to possible

reactive hypoglycemia (which it doesn't appear that you have). Those with

reactive hypoglycemia often experience blood sugar levels below fasting

levels 2.5 to 4 hours after eating (especially after eating a high glycemic

carbohydrate meal).

 

> My glucose reading from a true 12 hour fast was 96 on January 2, 2002

> All of my blood reports for the last two years can be seen at

> www.fugitt.com/blood.htm

 

If your fasting level is 96 (slightly elevated, suggesting some insulin

resistance) AND your 3.5 hour blood sugar reading is in the 80s, then it

does imply some degree of reactive hypoglycemia since blood sugar levels

fall below fasting levels.

 

I couldn't find any blood glucose information from the second site you list.

 

You need to do a home GTT (glucose tolerance test). Here's how:

 

HOME GTT guidelines

 

1. Fast overnight

 

2. Take a fasting bs reading with a glucometer

 

3. Eat a high-carb breakfast - cereal like Corn Flakes or Rice Chex or

Raison Bran, pancakes and syrup, orange juice...avoid protein and fat.

 

4. Measure bs levels every half hour for 5 to 6 hours taking note of any

symptoms EXCEPT...

 

5. Measure more frequently (10 minutes or so) when approaching the highs

(about 30-45 minutes) and the lows (about 3 to 4 hours). We want to catch

the time that these occur and their respective bs level.

 

 

6. Post results to list using three columns:

TIME BS READING SYMPTOMS

 

 

Good luck,

Rob

[Guest guest]

Wayne Fugitt wrote:

 

> Evening Morton,

>

 

Your weigh hasn't changed, and I presume that you also feel well and are

healthy.

Thanks for the trouble to respond. I'll look into it.

Morton