Guest guest Posted February 5, 2002 Report Share Posted February 5, 2002 Monday, February 04, 2002 8:33 PM Addendum Release form for Hep B for infants > Monday, February 04, 2002 7:44 PM > > > > Dear Members and Friends - > > Please save the following for your files. This could be important > > for protecting your rights in the very near future. The following is why > > I peppered the Hep B vaccine for newborns release with comments.... > > > > Ingri > > > > > > Antibody Theory http://www.whale.to/vaccines/antibody.html > > > > Quotes Disease theory > > Antibodies used as measure of immunity: > > > > " He said the normal trials on a new vaccine were not possible in Britain > > because of the relatively small numbers of people who contracted the > > disease. Instead scientists had tested whether the vaccine produced > > sufficient antibodies. " --Media report on meningitis C vaccine > > > > Antibodies not a measure of immunity: > > " Human trials generally correlate " antibody " responses with protection - > > that is if the body produces antibodies (proteins) which bind to vaccine > > components, then it must be working and safe. Yet Dr March says antibody > > response is generally a poor measure of protection and no indicator at all > > of safety. " Particularly for viral diseases, the 'cellular' immune > response > > is all important, and antibody levels and protection are totally > > unconnected. " --Private Eye 24/1/2002 > > > > " The fallacy of this (antibody theory) was exposed nearly 50 years ago, > > which is hardly recent. A report published by the Medical Research Council > > entitled 'A study of diphtheria in two areas of Gt. Britain, Special > report > > series 272, HMSO 1950 demonstrated that many of the diphtheria patients > had > > high levels of circulating antibodies, whereas many of the contacts who > > remained perfectly well had low antibody. " --Magda Taylor, Informed Parent > > " Just because you give somebody a vaccine, and perhaps get an antibody > > reaction, doesnt mean a thing. The only true antibodies, of course, are > > those you get naturally. What were doing [when we inject vaccines] is > > interfering with a very delicate mechanism that does its own thing. If > > nutrition is correct, it does it in the right way. Now if you insult a > > person in this way and try to trigger off something that nature looks > > after, youre asking for all sorts of trouble, and we dont believe it > > works. " Glen Dettman Ph.D, interviewed by Jay Patrick, and quoted in " The > > Great American Deception, " Lets Live, December 1976, p. 57. > > " Many measles vaccine efficacy studies relate to their ability to > stimulate > > an antibody response, (sero-conversion or sero-response). An antibody > > response does not necessarily equate to immunity......... the level of > > antibody needed for effective immunity is different in each > > individual.....immunity can be demonstrated in individuals with a low or > no > > detectable levels of antibody. Similarly in other individuals with > > higher levels of antibody there may be no immunity. We therefore need to > > stay clear on the issue: How do we know if the vaccine is effective for a > > particular individual when we do not know what level of antibody > production > > equals immunity? " --Trevor Gunn BSc > > > > A jab in the dark > > " The antibody business: Millions of screening tests are distributed, each > > blood sample needs to be tested (4 millions in Germany alone) ... The > > therapy business: Antiviral medication, 3 or 4 or 5 fold combinations, > AIDS > > can´t be topped in this department. ....... With intoxication hypotheses > on > > the other hand you cannot make any money at all. The simple message is: > > Avoid the poison and you won´t get sick. Such hypotheses are > > counterproductive insofar as the toxins (drugs, alcohol, pills, phosmet) > > bring high revenues. The conflict of interests is not resolvable: What > > virologist who does directly profit millions from their patent rights of > > the HIV or HCV tests (Montagnier, Simon Wain-Hobsen, Robin Weiss, Robert > > Gallo) can risk to take even one look in the other direction. " --By Claus > > Köhnlein > > > > " When they say immunogenicity what they actually mean is antibody levels. > > Antibody levels are not the same as IMMUNITY. The recent MUMPS vaccine > > fisaco in Switzerland has re-emphasised this point. Three mumps > > vaccinesRubini, Jeryl-Lynn and Urabe (the one we withdrew because it > > caused encepahlitis) all produced excellent antibody levels but those > > vaccinated with the Rubini strain had the same attack rate as those not > > vaccinated at all (12), there were some who said that it actually caused > > outbreaks. " --Dr Jayne Donegan > > > > " Whenever we read vaccine papers the MD researchers always assume that if > > there are high antibody levels after vaccination, then there is immunity > > (immunogencity). But are antibody levels and immunity the same? No! > > Antibody levels are not the same as IMMUNITY. The recent MUMPS vaccine > > fiasco in Switzerland has re-emphasized this point. Three mumps > > vaccines-Rubini, Jeryl-Lynn and Urabe (the one withdrawn because it caused > > encephalitis) all produced excellent antibody levels but those vaccinated > > with the Rubini strain had the same attack rate as those not vaccinated at > > all, there were some who said that it actually caused outbreaks. Ref: > > Schegal M et al Comparative efficacy of three mumps vaccines during > disease > > outbreak in Switzerland: cohort study. BMJ, 1999; 319:352-3. " --Ted Koren > DC > > > > " In order to better grasp the issue of vaccine effectiveness, it would > > prove helpful for us to go back to the early theoretical foundation upon > > which current vaccination and disease theories originated. In simplest > > terms, the theory of artificial immunization postulates that by giving a > > person a mild form of a disease, via the use of specific foreign proteins, > > attenuated viruses, etc., the body will react by producing a lasting > > protective response e.g., antibodies, to protect the body if or when the > > real disease comes along. > > > > This primal theory of disease prevention originated by Paul > > Ehrlich--from the time of its inception--has been subject to increasing > > abandonment by scientists of no small stature. For example not long after > > the Ehrlich theory came into vogue, W.H. Manwaring, then Professor of > > Bacteriology and Experimental Pathology at Leland Stanford University > > observed: > > > > I believe that there is hardly an element of truth in a single one of the > > basic hypothesis embodied in this theory. My conviction that there was > > something radically wrong with it arose from a consideration of the almost > > universal failure of therapeutic methods based on it . . . Twelve years of > > study with immuno-physical tests have yielded a mass of experimental > > evidence contrary to, and irreconcilable with the Ehrlich theory, and have > > convinced me that his conception of the origin, nature, and physiological > > role of the specific 'antibodies' is erroneous.33 > > > > To afford us with a continuing historical perspective of events > > since Manwaring's time, we can next turn to the classic work on > > auto-immunity and disease by Sir MacFarlane Burnett, which indicates that > > since the middle of this century the place of antibodies at the centre > > stage of immunity to disease has undergone " a striking demotion. " For > > example, it had become well known that children with > > agammaglobulinaemia--who consequently have no capacity to produce > > antibody--after contracting measles, (or other zymotic diseases) > > nonetheless recover with long-lasting immunity. In his view it was clear > > " that a variety of other immunological mechanisms are functioning > > effectively without benefit of actively produced antibody. " 34 > > > > The kind of research which led to this a broader perspective on the > > body's immunological mechanisms included a mid-century British > > investigation on the relationship of the incidence of diphtheria to the > > presence of antibodies. The study concluded that there was no observable > > correlation between the antibody count and the incidence of the disease. " > > " The researchers found people who were highly resistant with extremely low > > antibody count, and people who developed the disease who had high antibody > > counts.35 (According to Don de Savingy of IDRC, the significance of the > > role of multiple immunological factors and mechanisms has gained wide > > recognition in scientific thinking. [For example, it is now generally held > > that vaccines operate by stimulating non-humeral mechanisms, with antibody > > serving only as an indicator that a vaccine was given, or that a person > was > > exposed to a particular infectious agent.]) > > In the early 70's we find an article in the Australian Journal of > > Medical Technology by medical virologist B. Allen (of the Australian > > Laboratory of Microbiology and Pathology, Brisbane) which reported that > > although a group of recruits were immunized for Rubella, and uniformly > > demonstrated antibodies, 80 percent of the recruits contracted the disease > > when later exposed to it. Similar results were demonstrated in a > > consecutive study conducted at an institution for the mentally disabled. > > Allen--in commenting on herb research at a University of Melbourne > > seminar--stated that " one must wonder whether the . . . decision to rely > on > > herd immunity might not have to be rethought.36 > > > > As we proceed to the early 80s, we find that upon investigating > > unexpected and unexplainable outbreaks of acute infection among > " immunized " > > persons, mainstream scientists have begun to seriously question whether > > their understanding of what constitutes reliable immunity is in fact > valid. > > For example, a team of scientist writing in the New England Journal of > > Medicine provide evidence for the position that immunityto disease is a > > broader bio-ecological question then the factors of artificial > immunization > > or serology. They summarily concluded: " It is important to stress that > > immunity (or its absence) cannot be determined reliable on the basis of > > history of the disease, history of immunization, or even history of prior > > serologic determination.37 > > > > Despite these significant shifts in scientific thinking, there has > > unfortunately been little actual progress made in terms of undertaking > > systematically broad research on the multiple factors which undergird > human > > immunity to disease, and in turn building a system of prevention that is > > squarely based upon such findings. It seems ironic that as late as 1988 > > James must still raise the following basic questions. " Why doesn't medical > > research focus on what factors in our environment and in our lives weaken > > the immunesystem? Is this too simple? too ordinary? too undramatic? Or > does > > it threaten too many vested interests . . > > ? " 38 " ---Dr Obomsawin MD > > > > " FROM REPEATED medical investigations, it would seem that antibodies are > > about as useful as a black eye in protecting the victim from further > > attacks. The word " antibody " covers a number of even less intelligible > > words, quaint relics of Erlichs side-chain theory, which the greatest of > > experts, McDonagh, tells us is " essentially unintelligible " . Now that the > > old history, mythology and statistics of vaccination have been exploded by > > experience, the business has to depend more upon verbal dust thrown in the > > face of the lay public. The mere layman, assailed by antibodies, > receptors, > > haptophores, etc., is only too pleased to give up the fight and leave > > everything to the experts. This is just what they want, especially when he > > is so pleased that he also leaves them lots and lots of real money. > > The whole subject of immunity and antibodies is, however, so extremely > > complex and difficult, especially to the real experts, that it is a relief > > to be told that the gaps in their knowledge of such things are still > enormous. > > We can obtain some idea of the complexity of the subject from The > > Integrity of the Human Body, by Sir Macfarlane Burnet. He calls attention > > to the factthe mysterythat some children can never develop any antibodies > > at all, but can nevertheless go through a typical attack of, say, measles, > > make a normal recovery and show the normal continuing resistance to > > reinfection. Furthermore, we have heard for years past of attempts made to > > relate the amount of antibody in patients to their degree of immunity to > > infection. The, results have often been so farcically chaotic, so entirely > > unlike what was expected, that the scandal has had to be hushed upor put > > into a report, which is much the same thing (vide M.R.C. Report, No. 272, > > May 1950, A Study of Diphtheria in Two Areas of Great Britain, now out of > > print). The worse scandal, however, is that the radio is still telling the > > schools that the purpose of vaccinating is to produce antibodies. The > > purpose of vaccinating is to make money! " ---Lionel Dole > > > > Crone, NE; Reder, AT; Severe tetanus in immunized patients with high > > anti-tetanus titers; Neurology 1992; 42:761-764; > > Article abstract: Severe (grade III) tetanus occurred in three immunized > > patients who had high serum levels of anti-tetanus antibody. The disease > > was fatal in one patient. One patient had been hyperimmunized to produce > > commercial tetanus immune globulin. Two patients had received > immunizations > > one year before presentation. Anti-tetanus antibody titers on admission > > were 25 IU/ml to 0.15 IU/ml by hemagglutination and ELISA assays; greater > > than 0.01 IU/ml is considered protective. Even though one patient had > > seemingly adequate anti-tetanus titers by in vitro measurement 0.20 IU in > > vivo mouse protection bioassays showed a titer less than 0.01 IU/ml, > > implying that there may have been a hole in her immune repertoire to > > tetanus neurotoxin but not to toxoid. This is the first report of grade > III > > tetanus with protective levels of antibody in the United States. The > > diagnosis of tetanus, nevertheless, should not be discarded solely on the > > basis of seemingly protective anti-tetanus titers. > > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=1565228 & form=6 & db=m & > > Dopt=b > > > > ----------------------- > > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > > vaccineinfo > > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail > > PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US > > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > > ***************************************************************** > > Ingri Cassel, President > > Vaccination Liberation - Idaho Chapter > > P.O. Box 1444 > > Coeur d'Alene, ID 83816 > > (208)255-2307/ 765-8421 > > vaclib > > > > www.vaclib.org > > " The Right to Know, The Freedom to Abstain " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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