Guest guest Posted January 27, 2002 Report Share Posted January 27, 2002 Isn't it in turkey? In a message dated 1/27/02 8:32:39 PM, alobar writes: << > I thought tryptophan was removed from the market a few years ago. Can you > still get it? > Henrietta >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2002 Report Share Posted January 27, 2002 I thought tryptophan was removed from the market a few years ago. Can you still get it? Henrietta >>Durk Pearson, author of Life Extension, A Practical Scientivic Approach, recommends a 2 gram dose taken right before bed to effectively overcome insomnia. Remember, we need tryptophan to manufacture our own niacinamide, and supplements of the B-complex nutrient spare tryptophan for other important tasks, like keeping you happy and relaxed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 It occurs to me, that if I obtained tryptophan, I'd be inclined to use it short term, with fairly long periods of intermission, between periods of use. I'm a bit concerned about the fact that tryptophan appears as one of the amino-acids present in the lowest, or near lowest, strengths in the proteins of foods. - <hcolwell Sunday, January 27, 2002 1:51 PM L-tryptophan > I thought tryptophan was removed from the market a few years ago. Can you > still get it? > Henrietta > > > >>Durk Pearson, author of Life Extension, A Practical Scientivic Approach, > recommends a 2 gram dose taken right before bed to effectively overcome > insomnia. Remember, we need tryptophan to manufacture our own niacinamide, > and supplements of the B-complex nutrient spare tryptophan for other > important tasks, like keeping you happy and relaxed. > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Evening Henrietta, At 02:51 PM 01/27/2002 -0700, you wrote: >I thought tryptophan was removed from the market a few years ago. Can you >still get it? You are correct. It was unjustifiably banned in 1989. -------- Bottom Line: In 1989, thousands of people taking tryptophan developed a rare and incurable blood disease, leading the FDA to ban all sales of the pills. 5-HTP, a close relative of tryptophan, is being taken as a substitute for it. Its potential dangers outweigh any possible benefits. ------- I am not sure I believe all of that on face value. If you want to read more, try this link. http://www.berkeleywellness.com/html/ds/ds5htpTryptophan.html I recently finished off one bottle of 5-HTP and have a new one. Just started on it. Several doctors whom I trust have suggested using it. ( non-conventional doctors ) Things like 5_HTP, Creatine, and many others keep us confused for sure. As always, let you conscience be your guide. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 - <hcolwell Sunday, January 27, 2002 3:51 PM L-tryptophan > I thought tryptophan was removed from the market a few years ago. Can you > still get it? > Henrietta Only if you claim it is for your pet. Many supplies show up in a web search. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Evening John, >It occurs to me, that if I obtained tryptophan, I'd be inclined to use it >short term, with fairly long periods of intermission, between periods of >use. That is exactly the way I used it. Often when we say " we use a supplement " , many will think we take it every day. I have more supplements that I take " off and on " than I take regularly. I like to use a bottle of any material within 2 to 6 months of purchase. The 6 months may be too long. > I'm a bit concerned about the fact that tryptophan appears as one of >the amino-acids present in the lowest, or near lowest, strengths in the >proteins of foods. We don't know how much of some items we need. I think a few mg regularly would be the best bet, if we could manage that. Talk about confusing.... this tryptophan issue........ ----------- Despite the fact that serotonin is manufactured in the brain from tryptophan, found in protein-rich foods, a meal rich in protein actually lowers the blood level of tryptophan. Even a modest amount of protein will counteract the calming effects of carbohydrates. Here's why. Protein-rich foods contain a variety of amino acids, including tryptophan and tyrosine, all competing with each other to get past the " Blood Brain Barrier " , the gateway to the brain. When you eat protein, you flood the system with these competing amino acids and they fight for entry. Tryptophan is a large amino acid; only a small amount actually makes it through. Consequently, the serotonin level does not increase very much. As a result, you may reach for a high carbohydrate dessert, feel more down, or not sleep well that night. Conversely, a carbohydrate meal will result in fewer competing amino acids. A meal rich in carbohydrates triggers the pancreas to release insulin. Insulin directs most amino acids in the blood stream to be absorbed into the cells of the body. Tryptophan, which remains in the blood stream, then has an easy entry into the brain. Serotonin levels increase resulting in a more relaxed, focused mood. --------- Maybe someone can tell us the best way to handle this. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Yes, it was taken off the market, Henrietta. However, you can get it at BIOS Biochemials Corp, Veterinary Division, (800)404-8185. There website is www.biochemicals.com Pam hcolwell wrote: I thought tryptophan was removed from the market a few years ago. Can you still get it? Henrietta >>Durk Pearson, author of Life Extension, A Practical Scientivic Approach, recommends a 2 gram dose taken right before bed to effectively overcome insomnia. Remember, we need tryptophan to manufacture our own niacinamide, and supplements of the B-complex nutrient spare tryptophan for other important tasks, like keeping you happy and relaxed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 This is a great website.. In a message dated 1/27/02 11:55:39 PM, southallp writes: << Yes, it was taken off the market, Henrietta. However, you can get it at BIOS Biochemials Corp, Veterinary Division, (800)404-8185. There website is www.biochemicals.com >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 What is she cost? and how do you take it... by mg or by gram? Thanks so much, Elaine - dfnewman Gettingwell Monday, January 28, 2002 4:44 AM Re: L-tryptophan This is a great website.. In a message dated 1/27/02 11:55:39 PM, southallp writes: << Yes, it was taken off the market, Henrietta. However, you can get it at BIOS Biochemials Corp, Veterinary Division, (800)404-8185. There website is www.biochemicals.com >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Yes, turkey, chicken, milk, I forget what else. There's a book I'm reading that talks about all of this, amino acid competition, what to take, etc. " The Diet Cure " anybody read it? Henrietta dfnewman [dfnewman] Isn't it in turkey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 I guess this is why everyone dozes off after a huge trukey dinner..... In a message dated 1/28/02 6:05:25 PM, gowatson writes: << The problem with Tryptophan in food is that it needs to cross the blood brain barrier to be effective and many other amino acids compete for the passage, so food based tryptophan has little effect. ========== >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 - <dfnewman Monday, January 28, 2002 11:30 AM Re: L-tryptophan > Isn't it in turkey? Hi, The problem with Tryptophan in food is that it needs to cross the blood brain barrier to be effective and many other amino acids compete for the passage, so food based tryptophan has little effect. ======================== Optimal Health & Longevity, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au Optimal_Health_and_Longevity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Evening Greg, >>The problem with Tryptophan in food is that it needs to cross the blood brain barrier >>to be effective and many other amino acids compete for the passage, so food based >>tryptophan has little effect. So... who was it that finally discovered this defect in the human body? Possibly these scientist had a Tryptophan deficiency like the rest of us. It has confused me since the day I learned how to spell it. Do you suggest we take any supplements? I have just started on my second bottle of 5-htp. I am thinking the brain needs very little of it and does the " barrier trick " as it sees fit at the time. Have you seen any analysis of brain tissue that would tell is it does in fact let the amino acid in from time to time. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 - " Wayne Fugitt " <wayne Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:58 AM Re: L-tryptophan > Do you suggest we take any supplements? I have just started on my second bottle > of 5-htp. Hi Wayne, 5-htp dose help but also causes non brain tissue to make serotonin, which is not a good idea so moderation is a good idea. > I am thinking the brain needs very little of it and does the " barrier > trick " as it sees fit at the time. This is why high GI carbs make you feel better as the carbs elevate insulin, which sweeps both glucose and amino acids into the cells, except tryptophan. This causes a increase in the ratio of tryptophan to other amino acids in the blood and allows more tryptophan to cross the blood brain barrier and elevate your mood. I personally feel using Folate, B12 & B6 to lower homocysteine and boost SamE and some St. Johns Wart to reduce Serotonin reuptake in your neurons is just as effective and much safer. ======================== Optimal Health & Longevity, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au Optimal_Health_and_Longevity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Elaine, 100 grams of the powdered L-tryptophan and 180 caps, 500 mg each, are both $69.95. One rule of thumb that is used by many practitioners is 500 mg for every 50 lb body weight. 500 mg is either one capsule or 1/3 level tsp. Pam Elaine <mem121 wrote: What is she cost? and how do you take it... by mg or by gram? Thanks so much, Elaine Auctions Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Wayne Fugitt [sMTP:wayne] Sunday, January 27, 2002 9:06 PM Gettingwell Re: L-tryptophan Evening John, >It occurs to me, that if I obtained tryptophan, I'd be inclined to use it >short term, with fairly long periods of intermission, between periods of >use. That is exactly the way I used it. Often when we say " we use a supplement " , many will think we take it every day. I have more supplements that I take " off and on " than I take regularly. I like to use a bottle of any material within 2 to 6 months of purchase. The 6 months may be too long. > I'm a bit concerned about the fact that tryptophan appears as one of >the amino-acids present in the lowest, or near lowest, strengths in the >proteins of foods. We don't know how much of some items we need. I think a few mg regularly would be the best bet, if we could manage that. Talk about confusing.... this tryptophan issue........ ----------- Despite the fact that serotonin is manufactured in the brain from tryptophan, found in protein-rich foods, a meal rich in protein actually lowers the blood level of tryptophan. Even a modest amount of protein will counteract the calming effects of carbohydrates. Here's why. Protein-rich foods contain a variety of amino acids, including tryptophan and tyrosine, all competing with each other to get past the " Blood Brain Barrier " , the gateway to the brain. When you eat protein, you flood the system with these competing amino acids and they fight for entry. Tryptophan is a large amino acid; only a small amount actually makes it through. Consequently, the serotonin level does not increase very much. As a result, you may reach for a high carbohydrate dessert, feel more down, or not sleep well that night. Conversely, a carbohydrate meal will result in fewer competing amino acids. A meal rich in carbohydrates triggers the pancreas to release insulin. Insulin directs most amino acids in the blood stream to be absorbed into the cells of the body. Tryptophan, which remains in the blood stream, then has an easy entry into the brain. Serotonin levels increase resulting in a more relaxed, focused mood. --------- Maybe someone can tell us the best way to handle this. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 I doubt that it's the tryptophan in turkey that causes people to doze off. Turkey is usually overeaten, along with other rich foods on holidays. The body's blood supply is concentrated in the digestive tract, to handle this mountain of food; causing sleepiness. - <dfnewman Monday, January 28, 2002 3:22 PM Re: L-tryptophan > I guess this is why everyone dozes off after a huge trukey dinner..... > In a message dated 1/28/02 6:05:25 PM, gowatson writes: > > << > > The problem with Tryptophan in food is that it needs to cross the blood brain > barrier to be effective and many other > amino acids compete for the passage, so food based tryptophan has little > effect. > ========== >> > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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