Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 Hi All! I was wondering if anybody had any knowledge on weight training. I am considering starting a weight training program but need some info. I bought the book, Body For Life, by Bill Phillips. I'm not impressed with the nutrition he recommends for body building. He recommends 6 low-fat meals a day, each consisting of a fist-full portion of carbs (the potato being his favorite). I have heard this same recommendation from many other body builders. Does anybody have experience and/or knowledge with weight training WITHOUT the high carbs? I do not eat grains or high-starch veggies and don't want to start. BUT, I want to maximize my weight trainig effort. Any suggestions? Some background: I take the usual suspects as far as nutritional supplements goes. I teach yoga, I'm in excellent health with no body problems and run at least 2 miles a day. TIA, Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 If you read the introduction to BFL you will see that he is targeting people who haven't been able to figure things out for themselves. This means telling them to eat a potato because it's common enough and easy enough to prepare that people will be able to do it. I lost 70lbs and gained a LOT of muscle over the last 6 months. What have I eaten for the last 4 months? Each meal: 4-8oz beef or chicken, 8-16oz fruit 5-6 meals a day. What I'm doing now is trying to convert my fruit intake to vegetable intake. This means 4-16oz meat, then 4-16oz vegetables 5-6 meals a day. At least have the meals will be followed with eating a whole lime or lemon or sometimes a grapefruit (in the morning). What I suggest you do is to take from body builders about the quantity of meat they eat and then eat whatever else you are already eating because you seem to already have your carbohydrates figured out. Also I think ALL protein powders, diet pills, creatine, glutamine, and other supplements are unhealthy and can not compare even slightly to getting nutrients from wholefoods. I lost weight/gained muscle AFTER I: - cut out all supplements except things like vitamins/minerals - cut out all junkfood/grains/dairy/starches - ate 40%protein/30%carbs/30%fat (carbs from fruit/veggies fat from flax, meat) - IMPORTANT: split my workout into 7 days, each day an hour on a different muscle group - VERY IMPORTANT: stopped using machines except for things that could not be replicated with free weights (certain leg machines) and switched to free weights for everything. I have a very strong opinion that free weights are much safer than machines due to abnormal motions/isolations of muscles Feel free to email me, Michael Gettingwell, Pamela Southall <southallp> wrote: > > Hi All! > I was wondering if anybody had any knowledge on weight training. I am considering starting a weight training program but need some info. I bought the book, Body For Life, by Bill Phillips. I'm not impressed with the nutrition he recommends for body building. He recommends 6 low-fat meals a day, each consisting of a fist-full portion of carbs (the potato being his favorite). I have heard this same recommendation from many other body builders. Does anybody have experience and/or knowledge with weight training WITHOUT the high carbs? I do not eat grains or high-starch veggies and don't want to start. BUT, I want to maximize my weight trainig effort. Any suggestions? Some background: I take the usual suspects as far as nutritional supplements goes. I teach yoga, I'm in excellent health with no body problems and run at least 2 miles a day. > TIA, > Pam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 Michael, Pam, some random thoughts, I gained a lot (of information and motivation) from the BFL program and I am not a " beginner " . I've competed in triathlons and marathons for a number of years and have been weight training and running competitively since high school. But.... I learned to eat more protein, eat more often, eat less at one time, cut bagels out of my diet..... I also learned that an intense 20 minute cardio session could be a good workout. Following the program and measuring results gave me a good boost between marathons. Rather than have people focus on weighing and measuring food, the author describes an easy method of eyeballing the amount of food to eat. A potato comes in a convenient size. I wouldn't say that beef, chicken and fruit is a balanced diet. We need to eat a variety of foods. I do agree with you that supplements are not necessary and free weights are far superior to machines. Having said that, I take glutamine. I also eat a lot of cottage cheese, which is high in glutamine. With the amount of training I'm doing now, I need all the recovery help I can get. I suppose I am coming at this from the point of view of a marathoner (currently training for Boston this year, so not able to do BFL right now!) but 6 fist sized portions of carbs is NOT high carb. Your body runs on carbs. I'm not talking about bagels, but oatmeal, brown rice, kashi, lentils. Also, I took the original post to be from someone just starting weight training. I don't think one hour a day on one bodypart is a good way for a beginner to go. (course if you come back and say that was what you did, well there are exceptions to every rule!) When you start weight training, it isn't just the muscles that need to adapt, it is your joints, ligaments and central nervous system. You NEED the rest between training sessions. Training arms for one hour would, I believe, discourage a beginner. A site you may want to review is called " why BFL works " . http://www.hussman.org/fitness/ The author set out to review whether the program was another diet fad and ended up a believer. (At one time he was asked to pitch some of the EAS products so some of the " recommendations " about specific products could be ignored. In other writings he speaks of generic products.) The building blocks of the BFL program (HIIT cardio, the rep schemes) aren't new. they have been part of the bodybuilding world for years. Bill Phillips just packaged them up in a way the man on the street could follow. In case you haven't guessed, I highly recommend the program. Lori At 05:26 AM 01/22/2002 +0000, you wrote: >If you read the introduction to BFL you will see that he is targeting >people who haven't been able to figure things out for themselves. >This means telling them to eat a potato because it's common enough >and easy enough to prepare that people will be able to do it. > >I lost 70lbs and gained a LOT of muscle over the last 6 months. > >What have I eaten for the last 4 months? > >Each meal: 4-8oz beef or chicken, 8-16oz fruit > >5-6 meals a day. What I'm doing now is trying to convert my fruit >intake to vegetable intake. This means 4-16oz meat, then 4-16oz >vegetables 5-6 meals a day. At least have the meals will be followed >with eating a whole lime or lemon or sometimes a grapefruit (in the >morning). > >What I suggest you do is to take from body builders about the >quantity of meat they eat and then eat whatever else you are already >eating because you seem to already have your carbohydrates figured >out. > >Also I think ALL protein powders, diet pills, creatine, glutamine, >and other supplements are unhealthy and can not compare even slightly >to getting nutrients from wholefoods. I lost weight/gained muscle >AFTER I: > >- cut out all supplements except things like vitamins/minerals >- cut out all junkfood/grains/dairy/starches >- ate 40%protein/30%carbs/30%fat (carbs from fruit/veggies fat from >flax, meat) >- IMPORTANT: split my workout into 7 days, each day an hour on a >different muscle group >- VERY IMPORTANT: stopped using machines except for things that could >not be replicated with free weights (certain leg machines) and >switched to free weights for everything. I have a very strong opinion >that free weights are much safer than machines due to abnormal >motions/isolations of muscles > >Feel free to email me, >Michael > >Gettingwell, Pamela Southall <southallp> wrote: > > > > Hi All! > > I was wondering if anybody had any knowledge on weight training. I >am considering starting a weight training program but need some >info. I bought the book, Body For Life, by Bill Phillips. I'm not >impressed with the nutrition he recommends for body building. He >recommends 6 low-fat meals a day, each consisting of a fist-full >portion of carbs (the potato being his favorite). I have heard this >same recommendation from many other body builders. Does anybody have >experience and/or knowledge with weight training WITHOUT the high >carbs? I do not eat grains or high-starch veggies and don't want to >start. BUT, I want to maximize my weight trainig effort. Any >suggestions? Some background: I take the usual suspects as far as >nutritional supplements goes. I teach yoga, I'm in excellent >health with no body problems and run at least 2 miles a day. > > TIA, > > Pam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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