Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 Hi JoAnn, will have to stop hiding my posts in the drafts folder, i tend to forget them. <G> >>>>>How I wish I could do the same...can't quite tolerate lemon quite yet or any citrus for that matter. Geez, wouldn't it be nice. Well i'm not much of a fan of citrus, but it is quite nice. I thought i would miss those mountains of white thick yummy cream (mayo) but i don't. I also use it on fish. >>>>>Usually Paul Newman's organic dressings are available in the stores where I shop. Have tried a few shops, including h/f shops, came up with zilch. >>>>>Sounds like we're about the same in that respect. Potato Salads with *tons* of mayo were a staple around here before I started reading up on it. I used to adore a little toast with my butter. <G> Veges had to be smothered in the stuff, but now, i don't have anything on veges, well apart from the kohl rabi, but i only use a little. They actually taste much better, especially if out of my own garden. >>>>>some even call it a *xenoestrogen*...whatever that means. Well, at this site, http://www.infertilityworkshop.com/articles/hormonalhealth/xenoestrogen.htm this is part of what i read. ********************** The Dawn of Xenomania... Now enter xenoestrogens. And to explain their entry, we need a bit of chemical history. During World War II, legions of organic chemists were put to work by their governments to solve wartime problems. The pesticide DDT, for example, was perfected and developed as a means to control body lice and, therefore, typhus. Herbicides 2,4-D and 2,4,5-F were developed as chemical defoliants for fighting jungle warfare.These new chemicals were synthetic, meaning they are derived from petroleum and manufactured in a laboratory. Whole new classes of chemicals not found in nature were thus created. Organochlorines, of which DDT and PCB's are two, are made by attaching chlorine atoms to carbon chains, for example. While chlorine and carbon are common elements of the natural world, they are almost never found bonded together.At the end of the war, the US government helped the petrochemical industry to find private markets for their products. DDT was used for mosquito and agricultural pest control. Chemical defoliants were used in national forests to control shrubs. Lawn, garden and household insecticides were developed. Detergents replaced soaps. Plastics replaced celluloid. ....And 50 Years Later Because they derive from oil, most of these synthetic products are, like steroid hormones, fat-soluble. This means that, rather than leaving the body (as they would if they were water-soluble), these synthetic products accumulate in areas of the body where fat content is high - for example, breasts. Moreover, any of them, like steroid hormones, consist of interlocking hexagonal rings of carbon atoms. Given that these new chemicals shared these properties with steroid hormones, one might reasonably wonder why their potential to wreak havoc with our reproductive systems was not considered sooner.There are doubtless many reasons. Sexism would be one starting point. The prevailing ideology of the Cold War would be another. Rachel Carson was one of the first scientists to raise questions about DDT. Her 1962 book, Silent Spring, was accused by industry chemists of threatening the Free World's food supply.But yet another answer resides in the nature of estrogenicity itself: it is a far sneakier conceptthan even many scientists concerned with the issue had imagined. First, the estrogen receptor is turning out to be far less specific than anyone imagined. Carbon compounds quite different-looking from estradiol are able to attach to it. Soto points out that scientists cannot predict whether a chemical can attach to estrogen receptors purely from the shape of the molecule. Estrogen receptors are like locks that accept many different keys. DDT for example, has only two hexagonal rings and yet is able to bind directly to the receptor. Second, xenoestrogens have many modes of operation. Not all of them latch on to estrogen receptors. Some simply stimulate the manufacture of more estrogen receptor molecules. More receptors mean an amplified response to the estradiol naturally floating through a woman's body, which may place her at a higher risk for breast cancer.Still other xenoestrogens act in the liver to accelerate the metabolism of estradiol toward the 16-metabolite and away from the 2 pathway. More 16-beta-estriol means more bio-available estrogen and more damage to DNA. The weed killer atrazine seems to have this effect. >>>>>Anyways since I was in the throes of menopause I decided to abstain. My health has been on the rebound ever since, so whatever they put in there must have been a contributing factor. LOL Yeah....plus all the rubbish that goes into other foods. I am beginning to think that it's not safe to eat anything today, unless you grew (veges) or reared (meat) it yourself. Regards, Dorothy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2002 Report Share Posted January 19, 2002 --- Dorothy, I can see that whoever wrote the article did an enormous amount of research on the way environmental factors affect our hormones. Thanks so much for the article and link. If you have a Super K nearby, I forgot to mention that they also carry Organic Paul Newmans dressings and sauces. Have you looked in the Natural Foods Aisle of your stores? At times you are able to find them just mixed in with the other dressings. You never can tell where they'll be. If not, sometimes it helps to contact the store manager. I emailed Krogers from their website and asked for more organic options in their natural foods aisle. The manager of my store very courteously called me with the information that they were expanding their selection of organic items to include more dairy products. I find that my inquiries at various storess have been more than welcomed. The manager even said that he had several health issues and was surprised that the organic foods were so much in demand, asking me about them. That was my chance to share my success with him. One more suggestion. I have used vinegar and oil dressing at various restaurants and it has worked quite well for me. In the better restaurants E.V. olive oil is usually used. My DIL even asked the waiter the source of the oil. He was more than happy to oblige. :-) I do hope that you find a substitute for your mayo. There is a website that carries the Spectrum Mayo. I hesitate to give the link as the shipping charges are so outrageously high. True Foods shopping offers it on shopping. Do a search for organics on and it should come up. Good Luck, JoAnn JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html " Dorothy " <dotcats@x> wrote: > Hi JoAnn, > will have to stop hiding my posts in the drafts folder, i tend to forget > >>>>>How I wish I could do the same...can't quite tolerate lemon quite yet > or any citrus for that matter. Geez, wouldn't it be nice. > Well i'm not much of a fan of citrus, but it is quite nice. > I thought i would miss those mountains of white thick yummy cream (mayo) but > i don't. > >>>>>Usually Paul Newman's organic dressings are available in the > Have tried a few shops, including h/f shops, came up with zilch. > >>>>>some even call it a *xenoestrogen*...whatever that means. > Well, at this site, > > http://www.infertilityworkshop.com/articles/hormonalhealth/xenoestroge n.htm > > this is part of what i read. > > ********************** > > The Dawn of Xenomania... > > Now enter xenoestrogens. And to explain their entry, we need a bit > > ...And 50 Years Later > > Because they derive from oil, most of these synthetic products are, like > steroid hormones, fat-soluble. This means that, rather than leaving the body > (as they would if they were water-soluble), these synthetic products > accumulate in areas of the body where fat content is high - for example, > breasts. Moreover, any of them, like steroid hormones, consist of > molecule. Estrogen receptors are like locks that accept many different keys. > > Second, xenoestrogens have many modes of operation. Not all of them > the estradiol naturally floating through a woman's body, which may place her > at a higher risk for breast cancer.Still other xenoestrogens act in the > liver to accelerate the metabolism of estradiol > >>>>>Anyways since I was in the throes of menopause I decided to abstain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 >>>>>If you have a Super K nearby, I forgot to mention that they also carry Organic Paul Newmans dressings and sauces. Hi JoAnn, i don't think i will find them here in NZ. <G>>>>>> >>>>>Have you looked in the Natural Foods Aisle of your stores? Yes, no luck. But, the guy who boards here, said someone was talking about the mayo where he works, 2 days ago, have asked him to find out more, he keeps forgetting. >>>>>I emailed Krogers from their website and asked for more organic options in their natural foods aisle. The manager of my store very courteously called me with the information that they were expanding their selection of organic items to include more dairy products. That doesn't work here i'm afraid. If they haven't got it, tough. >>>>>I find that my inquiries at various stores have been more than welcomed. Over here they are only interested in big turnovers. What amazes me the most, are the h/f shops. I didn't realize just how little we have here till i joined some cat groups and then this group. So, if you want something that is not in this country, you have to get it yourself from another. >>>>>The manager even said that he had several health issues and was surprised that the organic foods were so much in demand. Near where i live is a big organic farm that grows veges. To start with, they had lots of orders, but, slowly they petered off, now, they only have a few to sell, the rest they use themselves. People here it seems would rather just go to the big s/markets and get everything in one hit. Regards, Dorothy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 Dorothy They do have them here in Christchurch, so you just might need to look harder and further perhaps... Tracy - " Dorothy " <dotcats " get " Wednesday, 23 January 2002 14:53 Re: Hydrogenation Procedures//JoAnn > >>>>>If you have a Super K nearby, I forgot to mention that they also carry > Organic Paul Newmans dressings and sauces. > > > > > Hi JoAnn, > i don't think i will find them here in NZ. <G>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>Have you looked in the Natural Foods Aisle of your stores? > > > > > Yes, no luck. > But, the guy who boards here, said someone was talking about the mayo where > he works, 2 days ago, have asked him to find out more, he keeps forgetting. > > > > > > >>>>>I emailed Krogers from their website and asked for more organic options > in their natural foods aisle. The manager of my store very courteously > called me with the information that they were expanding their > selection of organic items to include more dairy products. > > > > > That doesn't work here i'm afraid. > If they haven't got it, tough. > > > > > >>>>>I find that my inquiries at various stores have been more than > welcomed. > > > > > Over here they are only interested in big turnovers. > > What amazes me the most, are the h/f shops. > I didn't realize just how little we have here till i joined some cat groups > and then this group. So, if you want something that is not in this country, > you have to get it yourself from another. > > > > > >>>>>The manager even said that he had several health issues and was > surprised that the organic foods were so much in demand. > > > > > Near where i live is a big organic farm that grows veges. To start with, > they had lots of orders, but, slowly they petered off, now, they only have a > few to sell, the rest they use themselves. > People here it seems would rather just go to the big s/markets and get > everything in one hit. > > Regards, Dorothy. > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 --- Dorothy, And I thought our stores were uncooperative! So sorry that you're having such a hard time with it all. I have some recipes for a super fruity dressing, just whipped up in the blender. One uses quite a bit of pineapple juice. You paint a dark picture. The profit motive is high I have to admit. My grandson and I are experimenting with guacamole. We did a search and came up with zilch. Does anyone have a good recipe for guacamole? JoAnn JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html " Dorothy " <dotcats@x> wrote: > >>>>>If you have a Super K nearby, I forgot to mention that they also carry > Organic Paul Newmans dressings and sauces. > > > > > Hi JoAnn, > i don't think i will find them here in NZ. <G>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>Have you looked in the Natural Foods Aisle of your stores? > > > > > Yes, no luck. > But, the guy who boards here, said someone was talking about the mayo where > he works, 2 days ago, have asked him to find out more, he keeps forgetting. > > > > > > >>>>>I emailed Krogers from their website and asked for more organic options > in their natural foods aisle. The manager of my store very courteously > called me with the information that they were expanding their > selection of organic items to include more dairy products. > > > > > That doesn't work here i'm afraid. > If they haven't got it, tough. > > > > > >>>>>I find that my inquiries at various stores have been more than > welcomed. > > > > > Over here they are only interested in big turnovers. > > What amazes me the most, are the h/f shops. > I didn't realize just how little we have here till i joined some cat groups > and then this group. So, if you want something that is not in this country, > you have to get it yourself from another. > > > > > >>>>>The manager even said that he had several health issues and was > surprised that the organic foods were so much in demand. > > > > > Near where i live is a big organic farm that grows veges. To start with, > they had lots of orders, but, slowly they petered off, now, they only have a > few to sell, the rest they use themselves. > People here it seems would rather just go to the big s/markets and get > everything in one hit. > > Regards, Dorothy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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