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Alobar wrote:

 

> If talking about baking in Aluminum foil, you might want to think

> about changing procedure to avoid Aluminum in cooking. If not Aluminum

> foil, then what is it?

 

Does the aluminum foil get into the food?

 

I dunno...maybe wrapping the fish in a few layers of kale would do the trick.

 

Mindy

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<<> I understoof that plastic wrap should not tough food either?

> Marianne>>

 

I would bet thats true. I just figured its probably better than

aluminum but I guess the best bet is to eat as much fresh as possible. But

what does one do with left-overs that need to go in the fridge? I do use

Ziplock bags too. Or those desposable plastic containers. I think it might

be ideal to use those old refrigerator dished that came with glass lids but

to collect them is so expensive and I haven't seen where they can be bought

as new or reproductions except on Martha Stewart's site and of course you

have to be a billionaire like she is to afford them. One would need many to

have them be useful.

Arizona

>

>

 

 

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In a message dated 17/1/02 21:47:06 GMT Standard Time, ArtistDesigner

writes:

 

Change slowly and get what you can afford when you can afford it - this way

you are at least making some headway with the problem. I always try to

ensure that the food is in a deep container so that the plastic wrap does not

actually touch it.

Marianne

 

> But what does one do with left-overs that need to go in the fridge?

 

 

 

 

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ArtistDesigner writes:

 

> I understoof that plastic wrap should not tough food either?

 

I think plastic is dangerous used in the microwave because that makes it emit

artificial estrogens. I don't know if it's dangerous in the refrigerator.

 

Starris

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In a message dated 17/1/02 22:11:00 GMT Standard Time, Starrisg

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Unfortunately I cannot remember where or what I read on this subject but it

was that plastic should not touch the food - it creates some sort of

reaction. I think I will err on the side of caution and continue to make

sure that they do not come into contact. I think using microwaves is the

biggest danger on it's own!

Marianne

> I think plastic is dangerous used in the microwave because that makes it

> emit

> artificial estrogens. I don't know if it's dangerous in the refrigerator.

>

>

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 1/17/02 4:47:02 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ArtistDesigner writes:

 

 

> Or those desposable plastic containers. I think it might

> be ideal to use those old refrigerator dished that came with glass lids but

>

> to collect them is so expensive and I haven't seen where they can be bought

>

> as new or reproductions except on Martha Stewart's site and of course you

> have to be a billionaire like she is to afford them.

 

Hello Arizona

 

I have purchased glass storage containers with plastic lids (that don't touch

the food) through our Frontier Co-op... They were only about $1.30 or so...

Unfortunately, they run pretty small, but it's a start and usually I don't

have huge quantities of left-overs anyway...:-)

 

Gabriela

FL

 

 

 

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joguest writes:

 

> I think plastic is dangerous used in the microwave because that

> makes it emit

> > artificial estrogens.

 

Xenoestrogen is the word I was trying to think of when I said artificial

estrogen.

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Well I believe microwaves are just plain not healthy no matter what

you stick in them. And I hear that the molecules of the plastic go into the

food if you heat your food up in any sort of plastic dish in a microwave...so

thats enough for me to not use it.

It was explained to me like this. A microwave heats up the food by

its molecules rubbing up next to each other causing heat....since the natural

vibration of the food was changed and we consume it, it does not hold the

same properties it did in its natural state then it screws up our vibrational

state as well.

Studies were done by a bunch of doctors from Stanford University years

ago on animals and the harmful effects of the microwave. I was told by one

of those doctors if I had seen what it did to the animals, I would never even

allow a microwave in my home. I believe him. He was a Chiropractor and good

friends with Hanna Kroeger and he studied with many doctors who did

(underground) research at Stanford University. The majority of the other

doctors were medical doctors who risked their careers to expose many truths.

Arizona

 

> I think plastic is dangerous used in the microwave because that makes it

> emit

> artificial estrogens. I don't know if it's dangerous in the refrigerator.

>

> Starris

>

 

 

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The heat has to release petrochemicals from anything plastic I was just

thinking about my ice cube trays..(I wonder aobut the plastoic bottles our

supplements are in some are glass but not all)

 

I fill them the trays with good water and they are plastic .I remember when

my mom had aluminum ice cube tray s with a little gadget that released the

ice cubes Nothing is healthful ..

..

In a message dated 1/17/02 8:24:51 PM, ArtistDesigner writes:

 

<< the molecules of the plastic go into the

food if you heat your food up in any sort of plastic dish in a microwave...so

thats enough for me to not use it.

It was explained to me li >>

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What about t.v's and radiation?

In a message dated 1/17/02 7:37:16 PM, joguest writes:

 

<< --- Marianne,

I agree with you. Dr. Lorraine Day...the doctor who recovered

from breast cancer states the same. She claims that microwaved foods

should not be used on her videos. She advocates avoiding any contact

with microwaving due to high radiation which enters the food during

the cooking process.

>>

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>>>>>I first cover it with plastic wrap,

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Arizona,

i think you will find that plastic wrap is just as harmful as the a/foil.

 

 

 

 

 

>>>>>I do not cook with it.

 

 

 

 

 

Yuk.........i did, for over 30 yrs.

 

I also used Mum roll on deodorant, (22% aluminium) as the *experts* here

said it was the spray deodorant's that were bad for us.

I have been using b/soda since someone in the group suggested it, and it

works.

 

 

 

 

 

Try a covered glass casserole dish.

 

 

 

 

 

You don't really get the same end results with a casserole dish though.

I only used a/foil for wild venison and pork. Done with a/foil the

flavour/texture was out of this world, in a casserole dish, it was just

another stew.

Will ring or email the greenies here later on and see if we have an

alternative, though if you haven't over there, we sure wont have one here.

 

Regards Dorothy.

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Ah heck.... I just put leftovers in a dinner bowl and put a saucer or a

lunchplate on top of it.

 

BonnieB

 

In a message dated 1/17/2002 4:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ArtistDesigner writes:

 

<<

I would bet thats true. I just figured its probably better than

aluminum but I guess the best bet is to eat as much fresh as possible. But

what does one do with left-overs that need to go in the fridge? I do use

Ziplock bags too. Or those desposable plastic containers. I think it might

be ideal to use those old refrigerator dished that came with glass lids but

to collect them is so expensive and I haven't seen where they can be bought

as new or reproductions except on Martha Stewart's site and of course you

have to be a billionaire like she is to afford them. One would need many to

have them be useful.

Arizona

> >>

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" Mindy Behymer " <mindy

 

Friday, January 18, 2002 2:59 AM

aluminum foil (was: allergies)

 

 

> Does the aluminum foil get into the food?

>

> I dunno...maybe wrapping the fish in a few layers of kale would do the trick.

 

Hi Mindy,

 

The kale sound just right.

 

Thanks,

========================

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USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/

PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe

Patch file for above http://www.walford.com/download/dwidp67u.exe

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--- My understanding is that it's ok unless heated. Paper towels

should be used in the microwave. There is an issue pertaining to the

bleach in some paper towels also. There are organic ones available

The plastics such as tupperware should not be used to store hot hot

foods or even warm for that matter...also the veggies that are cooked

in plastics are suspect. Your health can be undermined using a

styrofoam cup for coffee and lemon for instance.,. The lemon makes it

toxic, also the tea/coffee. So next time take your own mug along. I

do! It helps to avoid carcinogens in heated plastics!

Few are aware of this, and it is a huge contributing factor in many

illnesses including cancerous growths and many female illnesses.

JoAnn

 

Starrisg@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/17/02 1:47:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> ArtistDesigner@a... writes:

>

> > I understoof that plastic wrap should not tough food either?

>

> I think plastic is dangerous used in the microwave because that

makes it emit

> artificial estrogens. I don't know if it's dangerous in the

refrigerator.

>

> Starris

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I don't worry about plastic wrap, because I don't leave it in contact with

the food, I put in the refrigerator, for very long; and I never use it in

contact with foods high in fat.

-

<marianne2406

 

Thursday, January 17, 2002 2:16 PM

Re: aluminum foil (was: allergies)

 

 

> In a message dated 17/1/02 22:11:00 GMT Standard Time, Starrisg

> writes:

>

> Unfortunately I cannot remember where or what I read on this subject but

it

> was that plastic should not touch the food - it creates some sort of

> reaction. I think I will err on the side of caution and continue to make

> sure that they do not come into contact. I think using microwaves is the

> biggest danger on it's own!

> Marianne

> > I think plastic is dangerous used in the microwave because that makes it

> > emit

> > artificial estrogens. I don't know if it's dangerous in the

refrigerator.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Hi everyone

 

If you have just read all the mails like I have in a row - you would begin

to wonder if breathing was even safe - ( hey, we know it's not)... but we

still breathe anyway. Aluminium, plastic - they are all evil obviously, but

we have to live :)

 

Every thing in moderation. Plastics give of zenoestrogens, aluminium is not

good for obvious reasons as explained by Alobar, but every now and again I

don't think its going to kill us off directly....these bodies of ours are

going to die one day... and while I know that quality is very important, I

try to remain focused on the fact that I can only do so much without it

becoming an obsession. I have to have aluminium in the house as, being a

hairdresser, I need it to do foils with ! :)

 

I am enjoying the fact I have ditched the chemicals for cleaning, as I found

they affected my breathing when I inhaled them... those Enjo cloths are

great and I recommend them for those who want to be chemical free.

 

Mimi - colloidal silver is great to gargle with and keep your mouth

infection free. I too have that problem, but the silver keeps it under

control - from getting sore etc. My MIL swears by the stuff - it keeps her

root canal infections at bay and stops her from having half her teeth pulled

out because of it.... root canals - now there's another evil :)

 

My son of 6yrs fell off the trampoline last night onto his arm. We had to

take him to hospital as we thought he may have fractured it. They took

x-rays ( another evil :) and were amazed, given what he did, that it wasn't

broken. They said he must have strong bones - I thought - hooray... I am

doing something right!

 

So - it's a beautiful day here and I am going to go out in it - without sun

block, to face the harmful UV rays - which is the lesser evil one may ask -

the world is full of them, which is why we have to lighten up and be happy

before we croak it! :)

 

I wish you all a happy day

 

Tracy

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" Greg Watson " <gowatson

 

Friday, 18 January 2002 11:35

Re: aluminum foil (was: allergies)

 

 

> -

> " Mindy Behymer " <mindy

>

> Friday, January 18, 2002 2:59 AM

> aluminum foil (was: allergies)

>

>

> > Does the aluminum foil get into the food?

> >

> > I dunno...maybe wrapping the fish in a few layers of kale would do the

trick.

>

> Hi Mindy,

>

> The kale sound just right.

>

> Thanks,

> ========================

> Good Health & Long Life,

> Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au gowatson

> USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/

> PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

> DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe

> Patch file for above http://www.walford.com/download/dwidp67u.exe

> KIM (omega analysis)

http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe

>

>

>

> Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health

> and well being.

>

> To learn more about the Gettingwell group,

> Subscription and list archives are at:

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--- I frequently use corningware. It is a good substitute for the

other ones. I still use plastic for some freezer foods.

I have started buying glass jars and dishes to store the leftovers.

Glass jars are best. Just fill up and cover.... wash your pasta sauce

jars, etc....

JoAnn

 

marianne2406@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 17/1/02 21:47:06 GMT Standard Time,

ArtistDesigner@a...

> writes:

>

> Change slowly and get what you can afford when you can afford it -

this way

> you are at least making some headway with the problem. I always

try to

> ensure that the food is in a deep container so that the plastic

wrap does not

> actually touch it.

> Marianne

>

> > But what does one do with left-overs that need to go in the

fridge?

>

>

>

>

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--- Marianne,

I agree with you. Dr. Lorraine Day...the doctor who recovered

from breast cancer states the same. She claims that microwaved foods

should not be used on her videos. She advocates avoiding any contact

with microwaving due to high radiation which enters the food during

the cooking process.

 

http://www.drday.com

 

marianne2406@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 17/1/02 22:11:00 GMT Standard Time,

Starrisg@a...

> writes:

>

> Unfortunately I cannot remember where or what I read on this

subject but it

> was that plastic should not touch the food - it creates some sort

of

> reaction. I think I will err on the side of caution and continue

to make

> sure that they do not come into contact. I think using microwaves

is the

> biggest danger on it's own!

> Marianne

> > I think plastic is dangerous used in the microwave because that

makes it

> > emit

> > artificial estrogens. I don't know if it's dangerous in the

refrigerator.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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I use my microwave infrequently for heating sometimes - I wonder if this

affects food the same as if one was cooking it? What about heating water?

Anyone know? I have stopped heating my DW to make Colloidal Silver with,

and make it with room temp. water instead. Takes longer, but wanted to be

on the safer side.

 

Tracy.

 

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" mrsjoguest " <joguest

 

Friday, 18 January 2002 12:33

Re: aluminum foil (was: allergies)

 

 

> --- Marianne,

> I agree with you. Dr. Lorraine Day...the doctor who recovered

> from breast cancer states the same. She claims that microwaved foods

> should not be used on her videos. She advocates avoiding any contact

> with microwaving due to high radiation which enters the food during

> the cooking process.

>

> http://www.drday.com

>

> marianne2406@a... wrote:

> > In a message dated 17/1/02 22:11:00 GMT Standard Time,

> Starrisg@a...

> > writes:

> >

> > Unfortunately I cannot remember where or what I read on this

> subject but it

> > was that plastic should not touch the food - it creates some sort

> of

> > reaction. I think I will err on the side of caution and continue

> to make

> > sure that they do not come into contact. I think using microwaves

> is the

> > biggest danger on it's own!

> > Marianne

> > > I think plastic is dangerous used in the microwave because that

> makes it

> > > emit

> > > artificial estrogens. I don't know if it's dangerous in the

> refrigerator.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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At 12:49 PM 1/18/2002 +1300, you wrote:

>I use my microwave infrequently for heating sometimes - I wonder if this

>affects food the same as if one was cooking it? What about heating water?

>Anyone know? I have stopped heating my DW to make Colloidal Silver with,

>and make it with room temp. water instead. Takes longer, but wanted to be

>on the safer side.

>

>Tracy.

 

How do you make colloidal silver?

Any suggestions on where to obtain it.

I have heard much about its benefits, but little about how it works and

what is a good brand/form.

 

Much thanks!

 

Mimi

 

 

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Mimi

 

Where do you live? There is bound to be someone around near you that makes

it, or health shops stock it for a price! It is so cheap to make, and

while it is not a cure all as some make out - it is a very beneficial item

to have in your medicine cupboard. Tell me where you live and I will see if

anyone on the Silver list can help you out - If you would like that.

 

Tracy

 

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" Mimi " <supersugarjunkie

 

Friday, 18 January 2002 13:32

Re: Re: aluminum foil (was: allergies)

 

 

> At 12:49 PM 1/18/2002 +1300, you wrote:

> >I use my microwave infrequently for heating sometimes - I wonder if this

> >affects food the same as if one was cooking it? What about heating

water?

> >Anyone know? I have stopped heating my DW to make Colloidal Silver with,

> >and make it with room temp. water instead. Takes longer, but wanted to

be

> >on the safer side.

> >

> >Tracy.

>

> How do you make colloidal silver?

> Any suggestions on where to obtain it.

> I have heard much about its benefits, but little about how it works and

> what is a good brand/form.

>

> Much thanks!

>

> Mimi

>

>

> _______

>

> Get your free @ address at

>

>

>

>

> Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health

> and well being.

>

> To learn more about the Gettingwell group,

> Subscription and list archives are at:

> Gettingwell

>

>

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--- Donna,

And computers! LOL

I regard them as a necessary evil. <grin> Seems weird that

microwaves caught on so fast in spite of all Ralph Nader's warnings.

I still visit his site...quite informative.

Well technology brings many risks. Everything in moderation I always

say. *S*

JoAnn

 

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dfnewman@a... wrote:

> What about t.v's and radiation?

> In a message dated 1/17/02 7:37:16 PM, joguest@m... writes:

>

> << --- Marianne,

> I agree with you. Dr. Lorraine Day...the doctor who recovered

> from breast cancer states the same. She claims that microwaved

foods

> should not be used on her videos. She advocates avoiding any

contact

> with microwaving due to high radiation which enters the food during

> the cooking process.

> >>

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--- Thank God we have an ice-maker so I don't have to worry about

that yet. Hmmm...think I'll invent a glass ice-cube tray. Just a

thought. LOL

JoAnn

dfnewman@a... wrote:

> The heat has to release petrochemicals from anything plastic I was

just

> thinking about my ice cube trays..(I wonder aobut the plastoic

bottles our

> supplements are in some are glass but not all)

>

> I fill them the trays with good water and they are plastic .I

remember when

> my mom had aluminum ice cube tray s with a little gadget that

released the

> ice cubes Nothing is healthful ..

> .

> In a message dated 1/17/02 8:24:51 PM, ArtistDesigner@a... writes:

>

> << the molecules of the plastic go into the

> food if you heat your food up in any sort of plastic dish in a

microwave...so

> thats enough for me to not use it.

> It was explained to me li >>

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In a message dated 20/1/02 03:01:51 GMT Standard Time, joguest

writes:

 

I have some of those ice cubes that are fluid in plastic - have not used them

but they are they, as they are in plastic and would only be used on cold

drinks - can I use them safely do you think.

Marianne

> Thank God we have an ice-maker so I don't have to worry about

> that yet. Hmmm...think I'll invent a glass ice-cube tray. Just a

> thought.

 

 

 

 

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--- Marianne,

Those plastic ice cubes are filled with something other than

water but as far as I know they are safe. If I were you I would look

into it before you use them very often. To be honest I really don't

know that much about them. Sorry... I just don't drink tap water and

use few ice cubes so not much help coming from here.

I use a good spring water, keep it in the fridge and have problems

with my digestion. I've heard that very cold or very hot drinks will

aggravate digestive problems. :-(

JoAnn

 

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marianne2406@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 20/1/02 03:01:51 GMT Standard Time, joguest@m...

> writes:

>

> I have some of those ice cubes that are fluid in plastic - have not

used them

> but they are they, as they are in plastic and would only be used on

cold

> drinks - can I use them safely do you think.

> Marianne

> > Thank God we have an ice-maker so I don't have to worry about

> > that yet. Hmmm...think I'll invent a glass ice-cube tray. Just a

> > thought.

>

>

>

>

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