Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 Alobar wrote: > If talking about baking in Aluminum foil, you might want to think > about changing procedure to avoid Aluminum in cooking. If not Aluminum > foil, then what is it? Does the aluminum foil get into the food? I dunno...maybe wrapping the fish in a few layers of kale would do the trick. Mindy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 <<> I understoof that plastic wrap should not tough food either? > Marianne>> I would bet thats true. I just figured its probably better than aluminum but I guess the best bet is to eat as much fresh as possible. But what does one do with left-overs that need to go in the fridge? I do use Ziplock bags too. Or those desposable plastic containers. I think it might be ideal to use those old refrigerator dished that came with glass lids but to collect them is so expensive and I haven't seen where they can be bought as new or reproductions except on Martha Stewart's site and of course you have to be a billionaire like she is to afford them. One would need many to have them be useful. Arizona > > Arizona Hughes Please stop by and visit my Website listed below http://members.aol.com/artistdesigner/Arizona_Hughes/Page_1x.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 In a message dated 17/1/02 21:47:06 GMT Standard Time, ArtistDesigner writes: Change slowly and get what you can afford when you can afford it - this way you are at least making some headway with the problem. I always try to ensure that the food is in a deep container so that the plastic wrap does not actually touch it. Marianne > But what does one do with left-overs that need to go in the fridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 In a message dated 1/17/02 1:47:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, ArtistDesigner writes: > I understoof that plastic wrap should not tough food either? I think plastic is dangerous used in the microwave because that makes it emit artificial estrogens. I don't know if it's dangerous in the refrigerator. Starris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 In a message dated 17/1/02 22:11:00 GMT Standard Time, Starrisg writes: Unfortunately I cannot remember where or what I read on this subject but it was that plastic should not touch the food - it creates some sort of reaction. I think I will err on the side of caution and continue to make sure that they do not come into contact. I think using microwaves is the biggest danger on it's own! Marianne > I think plastic is dangerous used in the microwave because that makes it > emit > artificial estrogens. I don't know if it's dangerous in the refrigerator. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 In a message dated 1/17/02 4:47:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, ArtistDesigner writes: > Or those desposable plastic containers. I think it might > be ideal to use those old refrigerator dished that came with glass lids but > > to collect them is so expensive and I haven't seen where they can be bought > > as new or reproductions except on Martha Stewart's site and of course you > have to be a billionaire like she is to afford them. Hello Arizona I have purchased glass storage containers with plastic lids (that don't touch the food) through our Frontier Co-op... They were only about $1.30 or so... Unfortunately, they run pretty small, but it's a start and usually I don't have huge quantities of left-overs anyway...:-) Gabriela FL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 In a message dated 1/17/02 3:11:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, joguest writes: > I think plastic is dangerous used in the microwave because that > makes it emit > > artificial estrogens. Xenoestrogen is the word I was trying to think of when I said artificial estrogen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 Well I believe microwaves are just plain not healthy no matter what you stick in them. And I hear that the molecules of the plastic go into the food if you heat your food up in any sort of plastic dish in a microwave...so thats enough for me to not use it. It was explained to me like this. A microwave heats up the food by its molecules rubbing up next to each other causing heat....since the natural vibration of the food was changed and we consume it, it does not hold the same properties it did in its natural state then it screws up our vibrational state as well. Studies were done by a bunch of doctors from Stanford University years ago on animals and the harmful effects of the microwave. I was told by one of those doctors if I had seen what it did to the animals, I would never even allow a microwave in my home. I believe him. He was a Chiropractor and good friends with Hanna Kroeger and he studied with many doctors who did (underground) research at Stanford University. The majority of the other doctors were medical doctors who risked their careers to expose many truths. Arizona > I think plastic is dangerous used in the microwave because that makes it > emit > artificial estrogens. I don't know if it's dangerous in the refrigerator. > > Starris > Arizona Hughes Please stop by and visit my Website listed below http://members.aol.com/artistdesigner/Arizona_Hughes/Page_1x.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 The heat has to release petrochemicals from anything plastic I was just thinking about my ice cube trays..(I wonder aobut the plastoic bottles our supplements are in some are glass but not all) I fill them the trays with good water and they are plastic .I remember when my mom had aluminum ice cube tray s with a little gadget that released the ice cubes Nothing is healthful .. .. In a message dated 1/17/02 8:24:51 PM, ArtistDesigner writes: << the molecules of the plastic go into the food if you heat your food up in any sort of plastic dish in a microwave...so thats enough for me to not use it. It was explained to me li >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 What about t.v's and radiation? In a message dated 1/17/02 7:37:16 PM, joguest writes: << --- Marianne, I agree with you. Dr. Lorraine Day...the doctor who recovered from breast cancer states the same. She claims that microwaved foods should not be used on her videos. She advocates avoiding any contact with microwaving due to high radiation which enters the food during the cooking process. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 >>>>>I first cover it with plastic wrap, Hi Arizona, i think you will find that plastic wrap is just as harmful as the a/foil. >>>>>I do not cook with it. Yuk.........i did, for over 30 yrs. I also used Mum roll on deodorant, (22% aluminium) as the *experts* here said it was the spray deodorant's that were bad for us. I have been using b/soda since someone in the group suggested it, and it works. Try a covered glass casserole dish. You don't really get the same end results with a casserole dish though. I only used a/foil for wild venison and pork. Done with a/foil the flavour/texture was out of this world, in a casserole dish, it was just another stew. Will ring or email the greenies here later on and see if we have an alternative, though if you haven't over there, we sure wont have one here. Regards Dorothy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 Ah heck.... I just put leftovers in a dinner bowl and put a saucer or a lunchplate on top of it. BonnieB In a message dated 1/17/2002 4:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, ArtistDesigner writes: << I would bet thats true. I just figured its probably better than aluminum but I guess the best bet is to eat as much fresh as possible. But what does one do with left-overs that need to go in the fridge? I do use Ziplock bags too. Or those desposable plastic containers. I think it might be ideal to use those old refrigerator dished that came with glass lids but to collect them is so expensive and I haven't seen where they can be bought as new or reproductions except on Martha Stewart's site and of course you have to be a billionaire like she is to afford them. One would need many to have them be useful. Arizona > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 - " Mindy Behymer " <mindy Friday, January 18, 2002 2:59 AM aluminum foil (was: allergies) > Does the aluminum foil get into the food? > > I dunno...maybe wrapping the fish in a few layers of kale would do the trick. Hi Mindy, The kale sound just right. Thanks, ======================== Good Health & Long Life, Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au gowatson USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe Patch file for above http://www.walford.com/download/dwidp67u.exe KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 --- My understanding is that it's ok unless heated. Paper towels should be used in the microwave. There is an issue pertaining to the bleach in some paper towels also. There are organic ones available The plastics such as tupperware should not be used to store hot hot foods or even warm for that matter...also the veggies that are cooked in plastics are suspect. Your health can be undermined using a styrofoam cup for coffee and lemon for instance.,. The lemon makes it toxic, also the tea/coffee. So next time take your own mug along. I do! It helps to avoid carcinogens in heated plastics! Few are aware of this, and it is a huge contributing factor in many illnesses including cancerous growths and many female illnesses. JoAnn Starrisg@a... wrote: > In a message dated 1/17/02 1:47:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, > ArtistDesigner@a... writes: > > > I understoof that plastic wrap should not tough food either? > > I think plastic is dangerous used in the microwave because that makes it emit > artificial estrogens. I don't know if it's dangerous in the refrigerator. > > Starris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 I don't worry about plastic wrap, because I don't leave it in contact with the food, I put in the refrigerator, for very long; and I never use it in contact with foods high in fat. - <marianne2406 Thursday, January 17, 2002 2:16 PM Re: aluminum foil (was: allergies) > In a message dated 17/1/02 22:11:00 GMT Standard Time, Starrisg > writes: > > Unfortunately I cannot remember where or what I read on this subject but it > was that plastic should not touch the food - it creates some sort of > reaction. I think I will err on the side of caution and continue to make > sure that they do not come into contact. I think using microwaves is the > biggest danger on it's own! > Marianne > > I think plastic is dangerous used in the microwave because that makes it > > emit > > artificial estrogens. I don't know if it's dangerous in the refrigerator. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 Hi everyone If you have just read all the mails like I have in a row - you would begin to wonder if breathing was even safe - ( hey, we know it's not)... but we still breathe anyway. Aluminium, plastic - they are all evil obviously, but we have to live Every thing in moderation. Plastics give of zenoestrogens, aluminium is not good for obvious reasons as explained by Alobar, but every now and again I don't think its going to kill us off directly....these bodies of ours are going to die one day... and while I know that quality is very important, I try to remain focused on the fact that I can only do so much without it becoming an obsession. I have to have aluminium in the house as, being a hairdresser, I need it to do foils with ! I am enjoying the fact I have ditched the chemicals for cleaning, as I found they affected my breathing when I inhaled them... those Enjo cloths are great and I recommend them for those who want to be chemical free. Mimi - colloidal silver is great to gargle with and keep your mouth infection free. I too have that problem, but the silver keeps it under control - from getting sore etc. My MIL swears by the stuff - it keeps her root canal infections at bay and stops her from having half her teeth pulled out because of it.... root canals - now there's another evil My son of 6yrs fell off the trampoline last night onto his arm. We had to take him to hospital as we thought he may have fractured it. They took x-rays ( another evil and were amazed, given what he did, that it wasn't broken. They said he must have strong bones - I thought - hooray... I am doing something right! So - it's a beautiful day here and I am going to go out in it - without sun block, to face the harmful UV rays - which is the lesser evil one may ask - the world is full of them, which is why we have to lighten up and be happy before we croak it! I wish you all a happy day Tracy - " Greg Watson " <gowatson Friday, 18 January 2002 11:35 Re: aluminum foil (was: allergies) > - > " Mindy Behymer " <mindy > > Friday, January 18, 2002 2:59 AM > aluminum foil (was: allergies) > > > > Does the aluminum foil get into the food? > > > > I dunno...maybe wrapping the fish in a few layers of kale would do the trick. > > Hi Mindy, > > The kale sound just right. > > Thanks, > ======================== > Good Health & Long Life, > Greg Watson, http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au gowatson > USDA database (food breakdown) http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/ > PubMed (research papers) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi > DWIDP (nutrient analysis) http://www.walford.com/dwdemo/dw2b63demo.exe > Patch file for above http://www.walford.com/download/dwidp67u.exe > KIM (omega analysis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/eicosanoids/KIM_Install.exe > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 --- I frequently use corningware. It is a good substitute for the other ones. I still use plastic for some freezer foods. I have started buying glass jars and dishes to store the leftovers. Glass jars are best. Just fill up and cover.... wash your pasta sauce jars, etc.... JoAnn marianne2406@a... wrote: > In a message dated 17/1/02 21:47:06 GMT Standard Time, ArtistDesigner@a... > writes: > > Change slowly and get what you can afford when you can afford it - this way > you are at least making some headway with the problem. I always try to > ensure that the food is in a deep container so that the plastic wrap does not > actually touch it. > Marianne > > > But what does one do with left-overs that need to go in the fridge? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 --- Marianne, I agree with you. Dr. Lorraine Day...the doctor who recovered from breast cancer states the same. She claims that microwaved foods should not be used on her videos. She advocates avoiding any contact with microwaving due to high radiation which enters the food during the cooking process. http://www.drday.com marianne2406@a... wrote: > In a message dated 17/1/02 22:11:00 GMT Standard Time, Starrisg@a... > writes: > > Unfortunately I cannot remember where or what I read on this subject but it > was that plastic should not touch the food - it creates some sort of > reaction. I think I will err on the side of caution and continue to make > sure that they do not come into contact. I think using microwaves is the > biggest danger on it's own! > Marianne > > I think plastic is dangerous used in the microwave because that makes it > > emit > > artificial estrogens. I don't know if it's dangerous in the refrigerator. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2002 Report Share Posted January 17, 2002 I use my microwave infrequently for heating sometimes - I wonder if this affects food the same as if one was cooking it? What about heating water? Anyone know? I have stopped heating my DW to make Colloidal Silver with, and make it with room temp. water instead. Takes longer, but wanted to be on the safer side. Tracy. - " mrsjoguest " <joguest Friday, 18 January 2002 12:33 Re: aluminum foil (was: allergies) > --- Marianne, > I agree with you. Dr. Lorraine Day...the doctor who recovered > from breast cancer states the same. She claims that microwaved foods > should not be used on her videos. She advocates avoiding any contact > with microwaving due to high radiation which enters the food during > the cooking process. > > http://www.drday.com > > marianne2406@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 17/1/02 22:11:00 GMT Standard Time, > Starrisg@a... > > writes: > > > > Unfortunately I cannot remember where or what I read on this > subject but it > > was that plastic should not touch the food - it creates some sort > of > > reaction. I think I will err on the side of caution and continue > to make > > sure that they do not come into contact. I think using microwaves > is the > > biggest danger on it's own! > > Marianne > > > I think plastic is dangerous used in the microwave because that > makes it > > > emit > > > artificial estrogens. I don't know if it's dangerous in the > refrigerator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 At 12:49 PM 1/18/2002 +1300, you wrote: >I use my microwave infrequently for heating sometimes - I wonder if this >affects food the same as if one was cooking it? What about heating water? >Anyone know? I have stopped heating my DW to make Colloidal Silver with, >and make it with room temp. water instead. Takes longer, but wanted to be >on the safer side. > >Tracy. How do you make colloidal silver? Any suggestions on where to obtain it. I have heard much about its benefits, but little about how it works and what is a good brand/form. Much thanks! Mimi _______ Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2002 Report Share Posted January 18, 2002 Mimi Where do you live? There is bound to be someone around near you that makes it, or health shops stock it for a price! It is so cheap to make, and while it is not a cure all as some make out - it is a very beneficial item to have in your medicine cupboard. Tell me where you live and I will see if anyone on the Silver list can help you out - If you would like that. Tracy - " Mimi " <supersugarjunkie Friday, 18 January 2002 13:32 Re: Re: aluminum foil (was: allergies) > At 12:49 PM 1/18/2002 +1300, you wrote: > >I use my microwave infrequently for heating sometimes - I wonder if this > >affects food the same as if one was cooking it? What about heating water? > >Anyone know? I have stopped heating my DW to make Colloidal Silver with, > >and make it with room temp. water instead. Takes longer, but wanted to be > >on the safer side. > > > >Tracy. > > How do you make colloidal silver? > Any suggestions on where to obtain it. > I have heard much about its benefits, but little about how it works and > what is a good brand/form. > > Much thanks! > > Mimi > > > _______ > > Get your free @ address at > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > Subscription and list archives are at: > Gettingwell > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2002 Report Share Posted January 20, 2002 --- Donna, And computers! LOL I regard them as a necessary evil. <grin> Seems weird that microwaves caught on so fast in spite of all Ralph Nader's warnings. I still visit his site...quite informative. Well technology brings many risks. Everything in moderation I always say. *S* JoAnn JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html dfnewman@a... wrote: > What about t.v's and radiation? > In a message dated 1/17/02 7:37:16 PM, joguest@m... writes: > > << --- Marianne, > I agree with you. Dr. Lorraine Day...the doctor who recovered > from breast cancer states the same. She claims that microwaved foods > should not be used on her videos. She advocates avoiding any contact > with microwaving due to high radiation which enters the food during > the cooking process. > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2002 Report Share Posted January 20, 2002 --- Thank God we have an ice-maker so I don't have to worry about that yet. Hmmm...think I'll invent a glass ice-cube tray. Just a thought. LOL JoAnn dfnewman@a... wrote: > The heat has to release petrochemicals from anything plastic I was just > thinking about my ice cube trays..(I wonder aobut the plastoic bottles our > supplements are in some are glass but not all) > > I fill them the trays with good water and they are plastic .I remember when > my mom had aluminum ice cube tray s with a little gadget that released the > ice cubes Nothing is healthful .. > . > In a message dated 1/17/02 8:24:51 PM, ArtistDesigner@a... writes: > > << the molecules of the plastic go into the > food if you heat your food up in any sort of plastic dish in a microwave...so > thats enough for me to not use it. > It was explained to me li >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2002 Report Share Posted January 20, 2002 In a message dated 20/1/02 03:01:51 GMT Standard Time, joguest writes: I have some of those ice cubes that are fluid in plastic - have not used them but they are they, as they are in plastic and would only be used on cold drinks - can I use them safely do you think. Marianne > Thank God we have an ice-maker so I don't have to worry about > that yet. Hmmm...think I'll invent a glass ice-cube tray. Just a > thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2002 Report Share Posted January 22, 2002 --- Marianne, Those plastic ice cubes are filled with something other than water but as far as I know they are safe. If I were you I would look into it before you use them very often. To be honest I really don't know that much about them. Sorry... I just don't drink tap water and use few ice cubes so not much help coming from here. I use a good spring water, keep it in the fridge and have problems with my digestion. I've heard that very cold or very hot drinks will aggravate digestive problems. :-( JoAnn JoAnn Guest joguest Friendsforhealthnaturally http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html marianne2406@a... wrote: > In a message dated 20/1/02 03:01:51 GMT Standard Time, joguest@m... > writes: > > I have some of those ice cubes that are fluid in plastic - have not used them > but they are they, as they are in plastic and would only be used on cold > drinks - can I use them safely do you think. > Marianne > > Thank God we have an ice-maker so I don't have to worry about > > that yet. Hmmm...think I'll invent a glass ice-cube tray. Just a > > thought. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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