Secrets of Negative Hypnotic programming

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--- RON NODVIK <rnod wrote:

 

> Tom Suit <tomsuit wrote:

>Secondly, Mark teaches using energy as metaphor for avoiding

resistance

> >in subjects. So, yes, on this list we should be pointing out

underlying

> >hypnotic operators, even when discussing techniques that work with

> > " energy " . I agree with Dave on this 100%.

 

> I throw in behind Tom on this one, Dr. John. Some of us here,

>particularly in this group, believe that one of the persistent

>problems hypnosis has had in going mainstream and serving more to

>the public is how it's been confounded with metaphysics and energy

>work.

 

Well, I agree that the public is PURPOSIFULLY MISINFORMED by the

medical profession and the FDA about the valid and useful benefits

of hypnosis.

 

Milton was threatened with the loss of his medical license because

he was also a hypnotist. And when hypnosis was approved in 1952, it

really didn't improve the perception of hypnotic influence.

 

So what?

 

You are NOT teaching hypnosis, in most cases.

 

So, what are you doing?

 

Good question.

 

You are USING tools from hypnosis, and conditioning (again read

Salter and Bandler about anchoring technologies) to help them get

from where they are to where they want to go.

 

Of course they don't want hypnosis!

 

They want solutions, and quick and easy ways to get those solutions.

 

>Hypnosis works just fine all by itself without going out on a limb

without an Occam's

>razor. Once you do, you're getting into religious-land where

there's no popular

>consensus or agreement.

 

Sorry.

 

I don't know what a Occam's razor is.

 

And, you are stating something that I did NOT state, when YOU equate

other aspects like energy testing with fakery.

 

Please notice that I did give VALID and VERIFIABLE resources from

scientific and psychological AUTHORITIES in those fields that have

evidence that is irrefutable. And it is NOT my problem if people

choose to delete what they are afraid of learning, or that they

choose NOT to learn.

 

> When one adds spiritual assertions that are not universally

>recognized or commonly >agreed to,

 

I do NOT know what you mean when you state " spiritual assertions " .

So, please give me the hypnotic operators of those two words if you

would.

 

I do know that an assertion is a positive statement about something

WITHOUT verification.

 

That is NOT what I did. Again, I did quote authorities. Now, if you

don't want to study, that is not my problem, and I don't care;-)

 

Hypnosis is a mind tool. Mesmerism is a mind tool. Mesmerism is

hypnosis with energy. (read Thomas J. Hudson, or Ingo Swann).

 

You with your above assertions are going against what Mark taught

in " Thought Crimes in Taos " , which was about how to install your own

tailor made beliefs. That does NOT mean to ignore valid beliefs.

 

>Please explain in basic hypnotic those tenets are put forward at

>the expense of >excluding those who do not share those beliefs,

>resulting in a massive public disservice. >That's why Joe six-pack

>can't tell hypnosis from magic, because most hypnotists fail to

>make that distinction for themselves.

 

I disagree totally.

 

I think that it's all BAD MARKETING on the part of the hypnotist,

the NLP Trainer, and the Energy Psychologist.

 

The following is very important for those who want to make money

training people.

 

I think that Joe six-pack doesn't want hypnosis, or NLP, or energy

work, or energy psychology.

 

Joe six-pack just wants a solution to the problem he has. It is

ALMOST ALWAYS an " away-from " something behavior.

 

" I'm too fat " . I'm depressed. I'm ugly. I'm stupid. I'm sick. I'm

sad. I'm afraid to speak in front of others (shy), blab, blab, blab. "

 

>That's also contributes as to why many people only finally decide

>to see a hypnotist >after they couldn't find " Witchdoctor " in the

>phone book; and why hypnotists in >Redondo Beach have to register

>as " fortune tellers. "

 

Nope. NOT the case.

 

When I moved here to the back woods of Oregon back in 87, I

advertised in three different sections of the telephone book. The

hypnosis section. The Psychology section. And the Sports

Performance section. In one year NOT one call from the Psychology

section.

 

People did NOT want a Psychologist!

 

But from the Sports Performance section, I got 40 plus calls a month

(except for Christmas season and August)!

 

And from the hypnosis section, maybe 5 calls a month.

 

So, after that first year I dropped all those ads.

 

Now, what does that mean?

 

Again, this is REAL important to Tom's question about what to do

with his hypnosis training so he can make money.

 

So, what does the above information mean?

 

Here's another hypnotic metaphor. I received my first NLP Trainer's

certification from a great Hypnotist and NLP trainer, Bill Harris.

Notice that Bill is a millionaire many times over. And he does NOT

sell hypnosis. He does NOT sell NLP. So, do a google search and

notice what he sells.

 

When John LaValle asked me if I wanted to be certified under Richard

Bandler, I said " sure " , but I don't teach NLP. John just looked at

me, then said, " I know what you do. It's awesome! " And Richard and

John certified me as a Trainer of NLP though I still do NOT do any

NLP trainings.

 

Jose Silva was a hypnosis trainer. In fact, I've pictures of him, in

front of his office building in 1956. It was a hypnosis center. But

Jose Silva did NOT become famous and wealthy because he taught

hypnosis.

 

What did Jose do that made him those millions of $$$?

 

> That's why I believe Tom reiterated Mark's emphasis on pointing

>out the hypnotic >operators. That's the hypnosis part.

 

Well, I did call up Major Mark about this tonight because I got

tired of hearing " Mark said this or that " … and we are in TOTAL

AGREEMENT about what we think hypnotic operators are.

 

Mark has been, and still is MY FRIEND. We've been friends for 9

years.

 

> The rest is just religion until proven otherwise.A

 

I agree with you. And here's the part YOU ARE IGNORING.

 

It is proven. It is verified! And it is NOT a religion!

 

Looking at the research will only make what Major Mark is teaching

even better!

 

It is NOT in conflict.

 

>Benny Hinn with new-age or other metaphysical beliefs is still a

>Benny Hinn.

 

Your used of negative anchors with proven technologies, do NOT make

the proven technologies any less effective.

 

It is a common tactic of using a negative PR campaign against that

which you don't yet understand.

 

Referring to hypnotic technologies that you do NOT yet know about,

nor wish to know about, and comparing those other valid hypnotic

strategies to a fat stupid womanizer with a perpetual hard-on, is

not valid and is close to a tactic used by the FDA when it attacks

a profession like the field of hypnosis, the field of Chiropractics

or the field of NLP.

 

Ooops. I got to go. The carpenter is here about redoing our front

porch. Maybe more later. It's hunny do time.

 

 

 

> Ron