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As a youngster, my heroes were wonder woman and Amelia Erheart -- As a

young adult, I had

a great admiration for Helen Keller for her achievements in the face of

great difficulties. (I chose her

as the topic of a speech for class so really got into and inspired by

her life. Yet nowadays there are many who like her who have overcome

infirmities or life challenges and become an inspiration to others, or

used their experience to initiate reform that others could avoid what

they suffered, so she stands as one among many.)

 

I'm way older now and I don't know that I actually have any heroes

though I do have admiration for many people for singular feats or given

achievements of heroism. I do hold some people in high esteem, people

like Bruce Lipton or Drunvalo Malchezideck; the are heroes of a sort in

that they have brought forth information that I consider to be

liberating to the human spirit and/or which empowers people. They are

wayfarers for others.

 

If that is my criteria, then Docspeed and Donna Eden would have to be

included also. And so would Opra and Dr. Phil be included. Each in his

or her own way are bringing enlightenment and empowerment to humanity.

 

The original post asked for elements -- but not every subsequent post

(most did not if I remember correctly) give the element of the chosen

hero, and for that matter I cannot

identify the element of the names I have given.

 

According to the element test , I am (that dreadful) water followed

closely by wood, then fire,

and earth and metal. Does it stand then that I would admire people who

are high on water

or wood qualities. Or would I admire most what I lack most, that of

metal. In astrological terms

I know the people I least enjoy are for the most part strongly

saturnianish Capricorn ---that too staid and

materialistic/reductionist.... punitive, duty-bound, hairshirt and

" good ole boy " controling sort of energy. Although thats one of the

astrological earth signs, I have no idea what chinese element typifies

those qualities.

 

What is it specifically that creates within me admiration for another

person. I have never asked myself that question before so I am

thinking and writing on the fly. High intelligence and open mindedness

coupled with non-judgementalness/discernment and wisdom, willingness

to speak their truth and let the chips fall (dis-passionately/ not with

vindictiveness or mean-spiritedness) the ability to persevere and

overcome obstacles, being able to own their own stuff honestly

with neither justification or honary-ness, nor in guilt/shame, or fake

humility. A

a high spiritedness, a sense of humor, a sense of adventure and

curiousity; compassion and lovingness, and a gentlness of spirit (that

something I feel, don't know that I can define it).

 

The two people who inspired absolute awe in me: One is a channeled

presence (does that

sound flakey? Well, I don't particularly like --don't dislike

either--the channel but when I walked into the room for the first time

when the channeled presence was there, I FELT the stilling presence of

something beyond anything I had ever experienced. The other person

was a lecturer I saw one day decades ago: When I first walked past him

I said to myself, " this is a gentle man " and for the first time ever, I

separated the two words of gentleman ---- which had until that point

only meant a man who exhibited a certain amount of social skill and

cultural refinement. But I can't call them heroes.

 

I used to put people on a pedestal but that got really old after the

dissappointment of seeing these " heroes " or idolized humans all fall

down. I finally realized we are all just human, all fallible, all with

flaws and faults or achilles heels no matter what our or how much our

heroism or other admirable characteristics or traits.

 

 

Not everyone I admire in one respect or another, or might call heroic

has all the qualities I have mentioned -- ( that I know of) -- those I

have named are not people I know personally, though I have met some of

them. That does not mean much as being at their lecture or in their

workshop hardly qualifies as knowing them ---- all I can say is that I

had an experience of their personality and got a sense of what they

were like. With others I am only judging from their public personality

and the stories about themselves they have told--as with Opra and Dr.

Phil whom I have only seen on TV.

 

In Sue's list I am drawn to Leonardo da Vinci as I think he was a fine

artist and a genius extroadinaire; a true rennaisance man -- and as far

as I can see, it appears he followed his

soul purpose and /or self actualized as per Maslow. I wonder though,

if I met him would

I come away saying he was brilliant but a real jerk. Would I then see

him with the same awe as I do now. Or would I be memorized with him.

And even though I would love to be as

brilliant and talented both artistically and scientificially as he was,

I don't see him as a hero.

 

Others I am taken with are Schauberger and Tesla yet both were

failures of a sort, victems of the government/others who stole and/or

suppressed or perverted their work, and

destroyed their lives. And again, what do I really know of the men

themselves, I only know of their work and philosophies.

 

Docspeed you said:

But, since many on this list also are earth elements, I'm sure they

LOVE them.

 

I am curious: Whats the element ratio of those on this list --- give

or take, mostly what.

 

Braden said we are drawn to and want to be with those who have

qualities within ourselves we have not recognized, or qualities we have

not developed. All those I have awe or admiration for do have

qualities I would like to either have or have more highly developed

within my self.....and I think these qualities span all the elements.

 

What is the criteria one must meet to qualify as a hero?

 

To the victor go the spoils of war -- including the right (power) to

tell HIS STORY and silence

all other stories. I have often wondered how history is presented in

other countries in their text books, if or how much it varied from what

I was taught in this country. And what truth

I would find, contrary to the histories being told, were I to read the

akashic record. With the net, many bits of information have come out

that you are just not going to find in traditional academia --

information that has changed my opinion of several of our " historical

greats " . So what were these people mentioned Sue and other posters

(including me) REALLY like.

 

Doc, you said:

" What is important to ME are a self-idenity, values and criteria..... "

 

Self identity indicates (to me) that one has a strong sense of self and

is driven by internal

values rather than what society/ " authorities " proclaim as

characteristics or traits of value.

 

You mention values and criteria but do not identify them. From reading

your posts, I'd surmise

some of your values are clarity, transparency/realness, courage,

open-mindness and willingness to think and learn, willingness and

ability to get stuff done --

quickly, efficiently, effectively and do so because it is in your own

best interest to do so. To help those who are willing to help

themselves and let others (time wasters or sympathy seekers) pass by

the wayside. You also have (as I perceive it) a rugged individualism

(same as self identy??) and determination to excel and be the very best

at whatever you undertake. That I admire.

 

You said, refering to heros mentioned, " What is important to ME are a

self-idenity, values and criteria that none of them have, or if they do

have some of them, they also have

many that irritate and frustrate me. But, since many on this list also

are earth elements, I'm sure they LOVE them. "

 

I went to the element site (

http://lotusinstitute.com/5ElementsQuiz.html ) to see

what earth elements are like and would possibly value:

nuturing...cooperative...diplomatic...indecisive...conforming...sympathe

tic were a few of the traits/qualities given. Churchill may have

been diplomatic but his witty sarcasm could be biting (non-nuturing)

and for seven long years

as he played the role of cassandra, he did not conform to the common

belief that Hitler was no threat (until finaly it was obvious that he

was and others gave Churchill his due). Yet according to what I have

read, in the end he was a sell-out to the system, so he

did eventually conform). Mother Theresa was certainly not indecisive

nor a mealy mouth yet

her strong suit was compassion and sympathy and nuturing. Many of

Sue's heroes have a

a story of self sacrifice to a cause and/or gave nuturing or service

to others as a way of life.

 

I personally admire people who will follow their passion, even more so

if its against the odds or

the system, and this is true even if it is not a passion that I could

entertain/embrace, much less give my life to. That passion may be a

cause, a burning desire to bring about revolution or reform or be

famous or rich. I can understand that; there are things my life

revolves around that define who I am; take those from me and I

suspect I'd ready to exit this life for ...they are my passions, my

loves. Without passion, life is not living;

its existance.

 

So apparantly, passion is something I really admire and it would be

high on my list of what

heros are made of -- at least the kind of passion that drives one

toward self

knowledge, unfoldment, and achievement and enables one " to follow their

heart " . And I've

yet to see any milktoast kind of being portrayed as a hero. (Clark

Kent/Superman not withstanding).

 

Somehow I cannot see the women of forced genital mutilation or rape as

heroes except to the degree that they are survivors and fight back and

seek to overcome or overthrow their oppressors. Yet even as I say

that, Sue makes a point; there is heroism in those those who just keep

on keeping on, doing what it takes to protect and feed their kids. And

quite frankly the qualities I admire and seek to cultivate more

(compassion, forgiveness, discernment, non-judgementness) go out the

window when I think of the ignorant barbaric people who advocate and

actively engage in unprovoked hurtful behavior born of their of callous

indifference to the pain they inflict on others. Jesus may have said

do those good things but thats not enough;

I need models in my here and now doing it to keep me inspired to

cultivate those qualities to the point they exemply who I am rather

than just now and again achievements.

 

In fact, the whole world (overall) is a bit too barbaric for my

liking. The best of Heros to me are

those that free us from that barbarism, whether its the tortures of

war, or the idiocy and greed of the modern medical mafia, the

absurdity/ insanity of our world eletists, or the comman man's hatreds

of those that dare to be different or question the status quo, or

those whose work ameloriates the pain and limitation within our

personal or collective selves. (Is that idealistic metal speaking

??)

 

I do agree with Sue that there are many unsung heroes. There are at

least moments of heroism in most all of us; to face one's fear and

do what it takes against the odds and dangers (real or imagined, ) and

thus live up to our own highest ideals or push our security/safety

envelope is heroic even if unrecognized by others.

 

So my answer to Doc's question: Whats important about our personal

heroes, or those we choose to emulate, whether they

are those " bigger than life people " whose names most all recognize, or

just the common man/woman next door is that they reflect to us what we

personally hold dear -- our values, our beliefs, the essence or longing

of our soul high/self impetus (or in some cases, low self as well).

In clarifying/specifying what makes another a hero to us, we learn

about ourselves--what makes us tick the way we do. If we don't just

hold them as some distant hero; if we do model and emulate them, we can

incorporate or grow that quality within ourselves.

 

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