Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Hi, Bina: Bedwetting is a part of TCM, will need to do some research to tell you exactly. As I recall, this has more to do with the relationship between the parents and less to do with how deeply the child sleeps. Generally, if the parents fight and argue, then the child pees the bed. Will have a look and let you know. Kind regards, Jack --- bina <xploringbeauty wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I am wondering if anyone has some experience with > or good resouces for information pediatric > bedwetting. The patient is a five year old girl. > She sleeps so soundly that she can't wake herself up > to go to the bathroom. The parents have tried > everything and TCM is a bit there last resort. Any > help is appreciated. > > Bina > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Bina: In TCM bedwetting is called niao chuang or Enuresis, according to Wiseman and Ye, attributable to bad eating habits, or fatigue, or can be due to vacuity cold of the lower origin, with insecurity of kidney qi, or to spleen-lung qi vacuity, affecting regulation of waterways. Wiseman and Ye recommend Stream-Reducing Pill and Mantis Egg-Case Powder. Acupoints include CV-4, CV-3 and Bl-28, KI-3, needle with supplementation and add moxa (for vacuity cold of the lower origin). There are more details, but that may get you started. Hope that helps, Jack --- bina <xploringbeauty wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I am wondering if anyone has some experience with > or good resouces for information pediatric > bedwetting. The patient is a five year old girl. > She sleeps so soundly that she can't wake herself up > to go to the bathroom. The parents have tried > everything and TCM is a bit there last resort. Any > help is appreciated. > > Bina > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Hi Everyone, I am wondering if anyone has some experience with or good resouces for information pediatric bedwetting. The patient is a five year old girl. She sleeps so soundly that she can't wake herself up to go to the bathroom. The parents have tried everything and TCM is a bit there last resort. Any help is appreciated. Bina Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Don't feed the child carrots for supper or a nightime snack. They move Qi downward, and they are diuretic. Henry C. Lu gives an example of carrots for supper triggering an episode of bedwetting in a 3-year- old. (Chinese Natural Cures, p. 383.) Carrots are OK for lunch or an afternoon snack, but they should be cooked. Raw food can be hard on the Spleen (even in adults), and a child's Spleen is not fully developed until around the age of 6. BTW, Lu classifies cooked carrots as a Spleen tonic food. If they are cooked they strengthen the Spleen. The Spleen isn't the only Organ that isn't fully developed in young children. The Kidneys won't be fully developed until puberty. (Keeping Your Child Healthy with , Bob Flaws, p. 120.) Sometimes bedwetting in children is not a matter of an imbalance but of the Kidneys not being fully matured. But sometimes there are imbalances. Flaws lists 3 common ones: Kidney (Yang) Deficieny, Spleen and/or Lung Qi Deficiency, and Damp Heat. (p. 120.) He gives some guidelines for recognizing if any of the 3 are present: " For instance, the signs and symptoms of kidney deficiency bed-wetting include nighttime enuresis 1-2 or more times each night, frequent, clear urination, a pale facial complexion, a tendency to low back or kneww soreness or weakness, possible chilled limbs and a fear of cold, and a pale tongue with a thin, white coating. Symptoms of spleen and lung qi deficiency include episodic bed-wetting after or secondary to some other disease, freqauent but scanty urination, a pale complexion, fatigue, lassitude of the spirit (meaning a dispirited face or affect_, easy sweating on slight or even no exertion, loose stools, and a pale tongue with a thin, white coating. While the symptoms of damp heat pattern bed-wetting are small amounts of dark-colored, strong-smelling urine, irritability, talking in one's sleep, grinding of teeth while asleep, and red lips and tongue. " (p. 120.) Flaws gives some practical advice for each of the 3 patterns: " In both the kidney deficiency and the spllen/ lung deficieny patterns, it is important for the child to be fed a cooked, clear, bland diet. " (Remnember, raw food can be hard even on an adult's Spleen.) " In the case of kidney vacuity, they should especiallyt stay away from chilled drinks and frozen foods. " ( " Vacuity " is another word for deficiency. Cold can injure and weaken Yang. Plus, both the Kidneys and the Spleen are weakened by Cold.) " In the spleen lung deficiency type, the child should be kept away from sugars and sweets. " (Too much sugar can weaken the Spleen.) " While in the damp heat type, the child should be kept from greeasy, fatty, fried, and hot, spicy foods. Children with the damp heat pattern are also typically angry over something, and this should be taken into account in their treatment. " (p. 121.) Flaws gives some additional practical advice for Kidney (Yang) Deficiency and Spleen/ Lung Qi Deficiency. Put the child to bed before s/he becomes overly tired. Overexertion and becoming too tired before resting can weaken the Kidneys, Spleen, and Lungs. (pp. 121-122.) This applies to adults as well as to children, but it can be particularly bad in children because their Spleens and Kidneys aren't fully mature. When the Kidneys, Spleen, and/or Lungs become further weakened, episodes of bedwetting are more likely than if the child is not exhausted before going to bed. Acupuncture is not Flaws's first choice for treating bedwetting in children though it can be effective. He does recommend daily massage (that the parents can do) in the case of Kidney (Yang) Deficiency bedwetting. He lists some formulas that can be modified for children. Chinese Traditional Medicine , bina <xploringbeauty wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I am wondering if anyone has some experience with or good resouces for information pediatric bedwetting. The patient is a five year old girl. She sleeps so soundly that she can't wake herself up to go to the bathroom. The parents have tried everything and TCM is a bit there last resort. Any help is appreciated. > > Bina > > > > Get your email and more, right on the new .com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Giovanni Maciocia has a section on Enureses and Incontinence in The Practice of . In addition he lists Kidney Yin Deficiency as a possible Root of enuresis. He doesn't list Damp Heat, but he does list Liver Fire Infusing Downwards. There is an overlap of symptoms between those Flaws lists for Damp Heat badwetting and those Maciocia lists for Liver Fire Infusing Downwards. (He does mention Damp Heat in one of the case histories he gives. (p. 532.)) More than one pattern can be present. At the beginning of the chapter on enuresis and incontinence, Maciocia lists possible etiologies. The two for children are as follows: 1. Weak Constitution. " Weak constitution is a cuase of nocturnal enuresis in children. Constitutionally-deficient Kidneys are unable to control fluds and fal to provide Qi to the Bladder: this results in nocturnal enuresis " (p. 525.) 2. Shock. " Prenatal or perinatal shock in children can be a cause of nocturnal enuresis. Thjis can be observed in a bluish colour on the child's chin. " (p. 525.) Incontinence often is due to Bladder Qi Deficiency. The Kidneys supply Qi to the Bladder. BUT, the Kidneys are dependent on Kidney Yin and Kidney Yang in order to create Kidney Qi. This is why Kidney Deficiency so often underlies cases of incontinence and enuresis. Fear can weaken the Kidneys. " Fear depletes Kidney-Qi, and it makes Qi descend. " (Giovanni Maciocia, The Foundations of , p. 132.) However, Maciocia has observed that fear acts differently in adults than in children. In children fear (or " a feeling of insecurity in the child due to some family situation " (p. 132.)) will deplete Kidney Qi and cause Qi to descend. In adults it's more likely to trigger Kidney-Yin Deficiency and " rising of Empty-Heat within the Heart " . (p. 132.) It goes without saying that scary movies or stories right before bed are no-nos for children prone to bedwetting. So are any activities by the parents or siblings that can create or add to feelings of insecurity. It should also go without saying that punishing or even scolding the child for bedwetting definitely is counterproductive as this can increase fear and feelings of insecurity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I know this has nothing to do with acupuncture but youmight find a good chiropractor in your area and then you could refer back and forth. You can find Chiros in your are that are specially trained in treating children and should be able to help you. The website is www.icpa4kids.com . I recently treated a girl who was 12 and wet the bed everynight since she was 5. We did sacrum and lumbar adjustment 3x a week for 4 weeks. The first week of treatment she only wet the bed the days she was not adjusted. By the second week she only we the bed on Sunday (2days since last treatment. By week 3 she was no longer wetting the bed. After the 4th week she went to one time a week for 2 weeks and then once a month. She currently is getting treated 1 time every 2 months but in my experience she will probably only need periodic care for general health. Good luck Chandra acupuncture , bina <xploringbeauty wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I am wondering if anyone has some experience with or good resouces for information pediatric bedwetting. The patient is a five year old girl. She sleeps so soundly that she can't wake herself up to go to the bathroom. The parents have tried everything and TCM is a bit there last resort. Any help is appreciated. > > Bina > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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