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Hi, Bina:

 

Bedwetting is a part of TCM, will need to do some

research to tell you exactly.

 

As I recall, this has more to do with the relationship

between the parents and less to do with how deeply the

child sleeps. Generally, if the parents fight and

argue, then the child pees the bed.

 

Will have a look and let you know.

 

Kind regards, Jack

 

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> I am wondering if anyone has some experience with

> or good resouces for information pediatric

> bedwetting. The patient is a five year old girl.

> She sleeps so soundly that she can't wake herself up

> to go to the bathroom. The parents have tried

> everything and TCM is a bit there last resort. Any

> help is appreciated.

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Bina:

 

In TCM bedwetting is called niao chuang or Enuresis,

according to Wiseman and Ye, attributable to bad

eating habits, or fatigue, or can be due to vacuity

cold of the lower origin, with insecurity of kidney

qi, or to spleen-lung qi vacuity, affecting regulation

of waterways.

 

Wiseman and Ye recommend Stream-Reducing Pill and

Mantis Egg-Case Powder.

 

Acupoints include CV-4, CV-3 and Bl-28, KI-3, needle

with supplementation and add moxa (for vacuity cold of

the lower origin).

 

There are more details, but that may get you started.

 

Hope that helps, Jack

 

--- bina <xploringbeauty wrote:

 

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I am wondering if anyone has some experience with

> or good resouces for information pediatric

> bedwetting. The patient is a five year old girl.

> She sleeps so soundly that she can't wake herself up

> to go to the bathroom. The parents have tried

> everything and TCM is a bit there last resort. Any

> help is appreciated.

>

> Bina

>

>

>

> Get your email and more, right on the new .com

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>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

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Hi Everyone,

 

I am wondering if anyone has some experience with or good resouces for

information pediatric bedwetting. The patient is a five year old girl. She

sleeps so soundly that she can't wake herself up to go to the bathroom. The

parents have tried everything and TCM is a bit there last resort. Any help is

appreciated.

 

Bina

 

 

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Don't feed the child carrots for supper or a nightime snack. They move

Qi downward, and they are diuretic. Henry C. Lu gives an example of

carrots for supper triggering an episode of bedwetting in a 3-year-

old. (Chinese Natural Cures, p. 383.)

 

Carrots are OK for lunch or an afternoon snack, but they should be

cooked. Raw food can be hard on the Spleen (even in adults), and a

child's Spleen is not fully developed until around the age of 6. BTW,

Lu classifies cooked carrots as a Spleen tonic food. If they are

cooked they strengthen the Spleen.

 

The Spleen isn't the only Organ that isn't fully developed in young

children. The Kidneys won't be fully developed until puberty.

(Keeping Your Child Healthy with , Bob Flaws, p.

120.) Sometimes bedwetting in children is not a matter of an

imbalance but of the Kidneys not being fully matured.

 

But sometimes there are imbalances. Flaws lists 3 common ones: Kidney

(Yang) Deficieny, Spleen and/or Lung Qi Deficiency, and Damp Heat. (p.

120.) He gives some guidelines for recognizing if any of the 3 are

present:

 

" For instance, the signs and symptoms of kidney deficiency bed-wetting

include nighttime enuresis 1-2 or more times each night, frequent,

clear urination, a pale facial complexion, a tendency to low back or

kneww soreness or weakness, possible chilled limbs and a fear of cold,

and a pale tongue with a thin, white coating. Symptoms of spleen and

lung qi deficiency include episodic bed-wetting after or secondary to

some other disease, freqauent but scanty urination, a pale complexion,

fatigue, lassitude of the spirit (meaning a dispirited face or

affect_, easy sweating on slight or even no exertion, loose stools,

and a pale tongue with a thin, white coating. While the symptoms of

damp heat pattern bed-wetting are small amounts of dark-colored,

strong-smelling urine, irritability, talking in one's sleep, grinding

of teeth while asleep, and red lips and tongue. " (p. 120.)

 

Flaws gives some practical advice for each of the 3 patterns: " In both

the kidney deficiency and the spllen/ lung deficieny patterns, it is

important for the child to be fed a cooked, clear, bland diet. "

(Remnember, raw food can be hard even on an adult's Spleen.) " In the

case of kidney vacuity, they should especiallyt stay away from chilled

drinks and frozen foods. " ( " Vacuity " is another word for deficiency.

Cold can injure and weaken Yang. Plus, both the Kidneys and the Spleen

are weakened by Cold.) " In the spleen lung deficiency type, the child

should be kept away from sugars and sweets. " (Too much sugar can

weaken the Spleen.) " While in the damp heat type, the child should be

kept from greeasy, fatty, fried, and hot, spicy foods. Children with

the damp heat pattern are also typically angry over something, and

this should be taken into account in their treatment. " (p. 121.)

 

Flaws gives some additional practical advice for Kidney (Yang)

Deficiency and Spleen/ Lung Qi Deficiency. Put the child to bed before

s/he becomes overly tired. Overexertion and becoming too tired before

resting can weaken the Kidneys, Spleen, and Lungs. (pp. 121-122.) This

applies to adults as well as to children, but it can be particularly

bad in children because their Spleens and Kidneys aren't fully mature.

When the Kidneys, Spleen, and/or Lungs become further weakened,

episodes of bedwetting are more likely than if the child is not

exhausted before going to bed.

 

Acupuncture is not Flaws's first choice for treating bedwetting in

children though it can be effective. He does recommend daily massage

(that the parents can do) in the case of Kidney (Yang) Deficiency

bedwetting.

 

He lists some formulas that can be modified for children.

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , bina <xploringbeauty wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I am wondering if anyone has some experience with or good resouces

for information pediatric bedwetting. The patient is a five year old

girl. She sleeps so soundly that she can't wake herself up to go to

the bathroom. The parents have tried everything and TCM is a bit

there last resort. Any help is appreciated.

>

> Bina

>

>

>

> Get your email and more, right on the new .com

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Giovanni Maciocia has a section on Enureses and Incontinence in The

Practice of . In addition he lists Kidney Yin

Deficiency as a possible Root of enuresis. He doesn't list Damp Heat,

but he does list Liver Fire Infusing Downwards. There is an overlap of

symptoms between those Flaws lists for Damp Heat badwetting and those

Maciocia lists for Liver Fire Infusing Downwards. (He does mention

Damp Heat in one of the case histories he gives. (p. 532.))

 

More than one pattern can be present.

 

At the beginning of the chapter on enuresis and incontinence, Maciocia

lists possible etiologies. The two for children are as follows:

 

1. Weak Constitution. " Weak constitution is a cuase of nocturnal

enuresis in children. Constitutionally-deficient Kidneys are unable

to control fluds and fal to provide Qi to the Bladder: this results in

nocturnal enuresis " (p. 525.)

 

2. Shock. " Prenatal or perinatal shock in children can be a cause of

nocturnal enuresis. Thjis can be observed in a bluish colour on the

child's chin. " (p. 525.)

 

Incontinence often is due to Bladder Qi Deficiency. The Kidneys supply

Qi to the Bladder. BUT, the Kidneys are dependent on Kidney Yin and

Kidney Yang in order to create Kidney Qi. This is why Kidney

Deficiency so often underlies cases of incontinence and enuresis.

 

Fear can weaken the Kidneys. " Fear depletes Kidney-Qi, and it makes Qi

descend. " (Giovanni Maciocia, The Foundations of , p.

132.) However, Maciocia has observed that fear acts differently in

adults than in children. In children fear (or " a feeling of

insecurity in the child due to some family situation " (p. 132.)) will

deplete Kidney Qi and cause Qi to descend. In adults it's more likely

to trigger Kidney-Yin Deficiency and " rising of Empty-Heat within the

Heart " . (p. 132.)

 

It goes without saying that scary movies or stories right before bed

are no-nos for children prone to bedwetting. So are any activities by

the parents or siblings that can create or add to feelings of

insecurity. It should also go without saying that punishing or even

scolding the child for bedwetting definitely is counterproductive as

this can increase fear and feelings of insecurity.

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  • 5 months later...

I know this has nothing to do with acupuncture but youmight find a

good chiropractor in your area and then you could refer back and

forth. You can find Chiros in your are that are specially trained

in treating children and should be able to help you. The website is

www.icpa4kids.com . I recently treated a girl who was 12 and wet

the bed everynight since she was 5. We did sacrum and lumbar

adjustment 3x a week for 4 weeks. The first week of treatment she

only wet the bed the days she was not adjusted. By the second week

she only we the bed on Sunday (2days since last treatment. By week

3 she was no longer wetting the bed. After the 4th week she went to

one time a week for 2 weeks and then once a month. She currently is

getting treated 1 time every 2 months but in my experience she will

probably only need periodic care for general health.

 

Good luck

Chandra

acupuncture , bina <xploringbeauty wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I am wondering if anyone has some experience with or good

resouces for information pediatric bedwetting. The patient is a

five year old girl. She sleeps so soundly that she can't wake

herself up to go to the bathroom. The parents have tried everything

and TCM is a bit there last resort. Any help is appreciated.

>

> Bina

>

>

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