Flu Shot Totally Worthless at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly

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Influenza vaccine has an enormous impact on the death rates of the elderly!

 

Jane

 

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Flu Shot "Totally Worthless" at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly

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Flu Shot "Totally Worthless" at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly

by David Gutierrez, staff writer

 

(NaturalNews) Influenza vaccination has no significant effect on death rates among the elderly, according to a study conducted by researchers from the University of Alberta, Canada.

 

Previous studies have concluded that getting a flu shot reduces an elderly person's risk of dying from any cause by 50 percent, a claim that other scientists have challenged as unlikely.

 

"Over the last two decades in the United Sates, even while [flu] vaccination rates among the elderly have increased from 15 to 65 percent, there has been no commensurate decrease in hospital admissions or all-cause mortality," researcher Dean T. Eurich said. "Further, only about 10 percent of winter-time deaths in the United States are attributable to influenza, thus to suggest that the vaccine can reduce 50 percent of deaths from all causes is implausible in our opinion."

 

Researchers compared rates of influenza, pneumonia and death among 700 people, 85 percent of them over the age of 64. Half the participants were given a flu shot, while half were not.

 

The researchers found that prior to adjusting for any confounding factors, 15 percent of those in the unvaccinated group died, compared with only 8 percent of those in the unvaccinated group - consistent with the previously reported 50 percent mortality reduction. However, once researchers adjusted for other predictors of mortality such as overall health and socioeconomic status, the difference between the two groups disappeared.

 

This suggests, the researchers said, that the previously observed decreases in mortality from flu vaccination merely come from the so-called "healthy-user effect" and have nothing to do with the vaccine itself.

 

"The healthy-user effect," said lead researcher Sumit Majumdar, "is seen in what doctors often refer to as their 'good' patients - patients who are well-informed about their health, who exercise regularly, do not smoke or have quit, drink only in moderation, watch what they eat, come in regularly for health maintenance visits and disease screenings, take their medications exactly as prescribed, and quite religiously get vaccinated each year so as to stay healthy."

 

It is thus the healthy habits that reduce the risk of death, the researchers suggested, and not the flu vaccine.

 

Sources for this story include: www.reuters.com.

 

 

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Influenza vaccine = depopulation

vaccine

 

At 08:57 PM 27/01/2009, you wrote:

 

has an enormous impact on the death rates of the elderly!

 

Jane

 

 

-

Viviane Lerner

 

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& HEALING

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*VACCINE TRUTH ;

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Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:05 PM

Flu Shot " Totally

Worthless " at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly

 

http://www.NaturalNews.com/z025432.html

Flu Shot " Totally

Worthless " at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly

 

by David Gutierrez, staff writer

 

(NaturalNews) Influenza vaccination has

no significant effect on death rates among the elderly, according to a

study conducted by researchers from the University of Alberta,

Canada.

 

Previous studies have concluded that

getting a flu shot reduces an elderly person's risk of dying from any

cause by 50 percent, a claim that other scientists have challenged as

unlikely.

 

" Over the last two decades in the

United Sates, even while [flu] vaccination rates among the elderly have

increased from 15 to 65 percent, there has been no commensurate decrease

in hospital admissions or all-cause mortality, " researcher Dean T.

Eurich said. " Further, only about 10 percent of winter-time deaths

in the United States are attributable to

 

influenza, thus to

suggest that the vaccine can reduce 50 percent of deaths from all causes

is implausible in our opinion. "

 

Researchers compared rates of influenza,

pneumonia and death among 700 people, 85 percent of them over the age of

64. Half the participants were given a

 

flu shot, while

half were not.

 

The researchers found that prior to

adjusting for any confounding factors, 15 percent of those in the

unvaccinated group died, compared with only 8 percent of those in the

unvaccinated group - consistent with the previously reported 50 percent

mortality reduction. However, once researchers adjusted for other

predictors of mortality such as overall

 

health and

socioeconomic status, the difference between the two groups

disappeared.

 

This suggests, the researchers said, that

the previously observed decreases in mortality from flu

 

vaccination merely

come from the so-called " healthy-user effect " and have nothing

to do with the vaccine itself.

 

" The healthy-user effect, " said

lead researcher Sumit Majumdar, " is seen in what doctors often refer

to as their 'good' patients - patients who are well-informed about their

health, who exercise regularly, do not smoke or have quit, drink only in

moderation, watch what they eat, come in regularly for health maintenance

visits and disease screenings, take their medications exactly as

prescribed, and quite religiously get vaccinated each year so as to stay

healthy. "

 

It is thus the healthy habits that reduce

the risk of death, the researchers suggested, and not the flu

vaccine.

 

Sources for this story include:

 

www.reuters.com

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, Hanneke <blosshan wrote:

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> Influenza vaccine = depopulation vaccine

>

>

> At 08:57 PM 27/01/2009, you wrote:

> >has an enormous impact on the death rates of the elderly!

=====================================================

I volunteer in a nursing home, Elerly woman 89 years of age, has flu

shot With in 3 hours she was very ill, ran a high fever, had

hallucinations and in 4 days is dead. Of course it cannot be the

flu shot that did this, Why all knowledgeable people know there is

nothing that shows up for at least 2 weeks. Oh my gosh. any how I

have a choice in the matter and I will not have a flu shot. Edith

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We had an outbreak of the flu in a nursing home, big head lines of

course, flu flu... 4 passed away, others hanging in, but it felt

almost like they had a media gag on it after one day. My guess is

that someone questioned whether the people in that home had been

vaccinated. Nothing more was heard about it.

 

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> > Influenza vaccine = depopulation vaccine

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> > At 08:57 PM 27/01/2009, you wrote:

> > >has an enormous impact on the death rates of the elderly!

>=====================================================

>I volunteer in a nursing home, Elerly woman 89 years of age, has flu

>shot With in 3 hours she was very ill, ran a high fever, had

>hallucinations and in 4 days is dead. Of course it cannot be the

>flu shot that did this, Why all knowledgeable people know there is

>nothing that shows up for at least 2 weeks. Oh my gosh. any how I

>have a choice in the matter and I will not have a flu shot. Edith

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Who says this and what kind of impact are you suggesting? I'm not being critical here, but I respect your input and need it to be more specific. I have formed an opinion on this and am still trying to assess its acuracy.--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote:

Jane MacRoss <highfield1Re: Flu Shot "Totally Worthless" at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:27 AM

 

 

 

Influenza vaccine has an enormous impact on the death rates of the elderly!

 

Jane

 

-

Viviane Lerner

HEALTH & HEALING

Cc: *VACCINATIONS ; *VACCINE TRUTH ; ALTERNET

Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:05 PM

[Health_and_ Healing] Flu Shot "Totally Worthless" at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly

http://www.NaturalN ews.com/z025432. html

Flu Shot "Totally Worthless" at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly

by David Gutierrez, staff writer

 

(NaturalNews) Influenza vaccination has no significant effect on death rates among the elderly, according to a study conducted by researchers from the University of Alberta, Canada.

 

Previous studies have concluded that getting a flu shot reduces an elderly person's risk of dying from any cause by 50 percent, a claim that other scientists have challenged as unlikely.

 

"Over the last two decades in the United Sates, even while [flu] vaccination rates among the elderly have increased from 15 to 65 percent, there has been no commensurate decrease in hospital admissions or all-cause mortality," researcher Dean T. Eurich said. "Further, only about 10 percent of winter-time deaths in the United States are attributable to influenza, thus to suggest that the vaccine can reduce 50 percent of deaths from all causes is implausible in our opinion."

 

Researchers compared rates of influenza, pneumonia and death among 700 people, 85 percent of them over the age of 64. Half the participants were given a flu shot, while half were not.

 

The researchers found that prior to adjusting for any confounding factors, 15 percent of those in the unvaccinated group died, compared with only 8 percent of those in the unvaccinated group - consistent with the previously reported 50 percent mortality reduction. However, once researchers adjusted for other predictors of mortality such as overall health and socioeconomic status, the difference between the two groups disappeared.

 

This suggests, the researchers said, that the previously observed decreases in mortality from flu vaccination merely come from the so-called "healthy-user effect" and have nothing to do with the vaccine itself.

 

"The healthy-user effect," said lead researcher Sumit Majumdar, "is seen in what doctors often refer to as their 'good' patients - patients who are well-informed about their health, who exercise regularly, do not smoke or have quit, drink only in moderation, watch what they eat, come in regularly for health maintenance visits and disease screenings, take their medications exactly as prescribed, and quite religiously get vaccinated each year so as to stay healthy."

 

It is thus the healthy habits that reduce the risk of death, the researchers suggested, and not the flu vaccine.

 

Sources for this story include: www.reuters. com.

 

 

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Sorry Tony - I mean it kills at least 40% of all older recipients - from my own observation I would say the ultimate danger period is 3 months after the shots - so I really do mean it increases the death rate enormously .......

 

Jane

 

 

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Tony De Angelis

Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:46 AM

Re: Flu Shot "Totally Worthless" at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly

 

 

 

 

Who says this and what kind of impact are you suggesting? I'm not being critical here, but I respect your input and need it to be more specific. I have formed an opinion on this and am still trying to assess its acuracy.--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote:

Jane MacRoss <highfield1Re: Flu Shot "Totally Worthless" at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:27 AM

 

 

 

Influenza vaccine has an enormous impact on the death rates of the elderly!

 

Jane

 

-

Viviane Lerner

HEALTH & HEALING

Cc: *VACCINATIONS ; *VACCINE TRUTH ; ALTERNET

Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:05 PM

[Health_and_ Healing] Flu Shot "Totally Worthless" at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly

http://www.NaturalN ews.com/z025432. html

Flu Shot "Totally Worthless" at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly

by David Gutierrez, staff writer

 

(NaturalNews) Influenza vaccination has no significant effect on death rates among the elderly, according to a study conducted by researchers from the University of Alberta, Canada.

 

Previous studies have concluded that getting a flu shot reduces an elderly person's risk of dying from any cause by 50 percent, a claim that other scientists have challenged as unlikely.

 

"Over the last two decades in the United Sates, even while [flu] vaccination rates among the elderly have increased from 15 to 65 percent, there has been no commensurate decrease in hospital admissions or all-cause mortality," researcher Dean T. Eurich said. "Further, only about 10 percent of winter-time deaths in the United States are attributable to influenza, thus to suggest that the vaccine can reduce 50 percent of deaths from all causes is implausible in our opinion."

 

Researchers compared rates of influenza, pneumonia and death among 700 people, 85 percent of them over the age of 64. Half the participants were given a flu shot, while half were not.

 

The researchers found that prior to adjusting for any confounding factors, 15 percent of those in the unvaccinated group died, compared with only 8 percent of those in the unvaccinated group - consistent with the previously reported 50 percent mortality reduction. However, once researchers adjusted for other predictors of mortality such as overall health and socioeconomic status, the difference between the two groups disappeared.

 

This suggests, the researchers said, that the previously observed decreases in mortality from flu vaccination merely come from the so-called "healthy-user effect" and have nothing to do with the vaccine itself.

 

"The healthy-user effect," said lead researcher Sumit Majumdar, "is seen in what doctors often refer to as their 'good' patients - patients who are well-informed about their health, who exercise regularly, do not smoke or have quit, drink only in moderation, watch what they eat, come in regularly for health maintenance visits and disease screenings, take their medications exactly as prescribed, and quite religiously get vaccinated each year so as to stay healthy."

 

It is thus the healthy habits that reduce the risk of death, the researchers suggested, and not the flu vaccine.

 

Sources for this story include: www.reuters. com.

 

 

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Tony, knowing Jane, I think you already know her answer. It does have an impact but not a positive one. Rather than reduce death rate, it increases it . . .KadeeTony De Angelis <tntstuart Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:46:16 PMRe:

Flu Shot "Totally Worthless" at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly

Who says this and what kind of impact are you suggesting? I'm not being critical here, but I respect your input and need it to be more specific. I have formed an opinion on this and am still trying to assess its acuracy.--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote:

Jane MacRoss <highfield1Re: Flu Shot "Totally Worthless" at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:27 AM

 

 

 

Influenza vaccine has an enormous impact on the death rates of the elderly!

 

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I'd say that's about right, by the time they succumb, the

correlation between flu vaccine and cause of death is not taken into

consideration.

Hanneke

At 01:04 PM 29/01/2009, you wrote:

 

Sorry Tony - I mean it kills at least 40% of all older recipients - from

my own observation I would say the ultimate danger period is 3 months

after the shots - so I really do mean it increases the death rate

enormously .......

 

Jane

 

 

-

Tony De Angelis

 

To:

 

Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:46 AM

Re: Flu Shot " Totally

Worthless " at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly

Who says this and what kind of impact are you suggesting?

I'm not being critical here, but I respect your input and need it to be

more specific. I have formed an opinion on this and am still trying

to assess its acuracy.

--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Jane MacRoss

<highfield1

> wrote:

 

Jane MacRoss

<highfield1

>

Re: Flu Shot " Totally

Worthless " at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly

 

Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:27 AM

Influenza vaccine has an enormous

impact on the death rates of the elderly!

 

 

Jane

 

 

-

 

 

Viviane Lerner

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Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:05 PM

[Health_and_ Healing] Flu Shot " Totally

Worthless " at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly

http://www.NaturalN

ews.com/z025432. html

Flu Shot " Totally

Worthless " at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly

 

by David Gutierrez, staff writer

 

(NaturalNews) Influenza vaccination has

no significant effect on death rates among the elderly, according to a

study conducted by researchers from the University of Alberta,

Canada.

 

Previous studies have concluded that

getting a flu shot reduces an elderly person's risk of dying from any

cause by 50 percent, a claim that other scientists have challenged as

unlikely.

 

" Over the last two decades in the

United Sates, even while [flu] vaccination rates among the elderly have

increased from 15 to 65 percent, there has been no commensurate decrease

in hospital admissions or all-cause mortality, " researcher Dean T.

Eurich said. " Further, only about 10 percent of winter-time deaths

in the United States are attributable to

 

influenza, thus to

suggest that the vaccine can reduce 50 percent of deaths from all causes

is implausible in our opinion. "

 

Researchers compared rates of influenza,

pneumonia and death among 700 people, 85 percent of them over the age of

64. Half the participants were given a

 

flu shot, while

half were not.

 

The researchers found that prior to

adjusting for any confounding factors, 15 percent of those in the

unvaccinated group died, compared with only 8 percent of those in the

unvaccinated group - consistent with the previously reported 50 percent

mortality reduction. However, once researchers adjusted for other

predictors of mortality such as overall

 

health and

socioeconomic status, the difference between the two groups

disappeared.

 

This suggests, the researchers said, that

the previously observed decreases in mortality from flu

 

vaccination merely

come from the so-called " healthy-user effect " and have nothing

to do with the vaccine itself.

 

" The healthy-user effect, " said

lead researcher Sumit Majumdar, " is seen in what doctors often refer

to as their 'good' patients - patients who are well-informed about their

health, who exercise regularly, do not smoke or have quit, drink only in

moderation, watch what they eat, come in regularly for health maintenance

visits and disease screenings, take their medications exactly as

prescribed, and quite religiously get vaccinated each year so as to stay

healthy. "

 

It is thus the healthy habits that reduce

the risk of death, the researchers suggested, and not the flu

vaccine.

 

Sources for this story include:

 

www.reuters.

com.

 

 

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Tony, knowing Jane, I think you already know her answer. It does have an impact but not a positive one. Rather than reduce death rate, it increases it . . .KadeeTony De Angelis <tntstuart Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:46:16 PMRe: Flu Shot "Totally Worthless" at Reducing Death Rate in ElderlyWho says this and what kind of impact are you suggesting? I'm not being critical here, but I respect your input and need it to be more specific. I have formed an opinion on this and am still trying to assess its acuracy.--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote:Jane MacRoss <highfield1Re: Flu Shot "Totally Worthless" at Reducing Death Rate in Elderly Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:27 AMInfluenza vaccine has an enormous impact on the death rates of the elderly! Jane «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»§ - PULSE ON 21st CENTURY ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE! §Subscribe send email to: - «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»