If you head is up your kumdingee, then every thing is dark!

[Guest guest]

, Gina Haber

<kneadles@s...> wrote:

> Hi Rusty and Doc,

> Am I not correct that the purpose of " bringing up the sh & *%t " is

>to sort of " dial in to the problem one wishes to remove? Like if

>you go to the dry cleaners, you cannot tell the proprietor which

>shirt you want unless you tell him which shirt you want. Get it?

>You cannot tell your subconscious mind which problem you want

>removed unless you tell it which problem you want removed!!

> Gina

 

Yes, Gina,

 

You are 100% correct.

 

But, as rusty stated, " people have their own separate paths, and

have the choice to which path they take " ...

 

....which is fine by me.

 

My only reason for pointing out his post was because, on this group,

Energy Psychology is A VERY VALID self-help tool, and if at all

possible I'd like as many people possible to use it and to grow and

mature from that use.

 

So, MY POST was for THE GROUP MEMBERS more than it was for rusty,

whom I also respect and admire.

 

He does have much good stuff to offer.

 

It's just that I, and ALL OF ENERGY PSYCHOLOGY, do NOT agree with

him.

 

That's the point I was " nicely " making.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Lusty

 

I agree with this. i have also noticed that many people feel uncomfortable

doing certain drills as their energies come into balance. This doesn't

necessarily mean that the drill is wrong for them - it may mean that they

need to do more of it and/or work on whatever is causing the discomfort. In

this case it would depend on how well they know themselves as to whether

they identified the true cause of the discomfort or stopped doing the

drill.....

 

just a thought....> One of QiGong's pre suppositions is as follows.

>

> " No one is a supreme authority.

> People seek leaders, priests, gurus, and hermits thinking that someone has

> a

> precise formula

> for living correctly.

>

> No one does.

>

> No one can know you as well as you can

> know yourself.

>

> All that you can gain from a wise person is

> the assurance of some initial guidance.

>

> There is no single way to do things in life.

> There are valid paths.

>

> Diversity is good for tradition. "

>

>

> Tao.

> rusty

>>

[Guest guest]

>What we fill in the blank with is not an affirmation but a recognition of the energy glitch we are correcting.

--

Thanks doc. I see your point.

>It may be valuable to understand that if we DON'T have something to fill in the blank there really is no reason to be doing an energy intervention to correct a problem in the first place.

-

I think that the underlying presupposition [that glitch] is what I balked at.

There is that therapist's mind set pre supposing there is a "Problem" to be fixed.

I've noticed that the Energy Medicine and NLP community groups are heavy with therapists in the membership that use this approach but it's not the kind of 'change' that those who aren't seeking fixing but rather enhanchment of a positive state are seeking.

What about the use of EM and NLP for healthy people to increase their function rather than restoring it.

The third eye tapping to anchor in a "High experience" would better fit the bill than EFT for this, don'tcha think?

 

That's one thing I give you credit for in that many of your "drills" are so inclined, reaching out to healthy people as well as the dysfunctional.

 

 

Sung.

rusty

[Guest guest]

words from the grandmaster...

 

 

" A Frequently Asked Question & Answer about EFT

 

 

 

 

I'm used to affirmations being stated in the positive. Why does the

EFT Setup language focus on the negative?

 

I know this is confusing. Affirmations, in the classical sense, are

designed to take you in positive directions. Thus their wording is

always of an uplifting, " go for it, you can do anything " nature.

[For a unique discussion on affirmations see The Palace of

Possibilities series on this web site].

 

EFT, on the other hand, is NOT designed to take you in positive

directions. Instead, it's purpose is to eliminate the negative and

thus pave the way for the positive. That is a MUCH different goal.

One of the critical elements in EFT's effectiveness is that one

must " tune in " to the problem. Otherwise, the energy balancing

effect of the tapping for that problem will be of little use. It

would be of limited value, for example, to try to alleviate a war

memory with EFT while the client focuses on Disneyland, sex or the

inner workings of a computer. The energy disruptions wouldn't be

there and so the problem could not be addressed.

 

The EFT Setup language (called affirmations--poor choice)

necessarily focuses on what is wrong. This " Sets up " the problem

like it was a bowling pin so that the EFT bowling ball (the rest of

the process) can knock it over.

 

Interestingly, some practitioners have reported good results by

stating The Setup in the positive. They might have the spider

phobic say something like, " Even though I love spiders..... "

However, even though the language is positively stated, someone with

a true spider phobia is likely to have self talk that focuses on

those " nasty, crawly things. " In this case, the client is STILL

focusing on the problem, despite their language to the contrary.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Gary "