Guest guest Posted September 24, 2002 Report Share Posted September 24, 2002 I have purchase two different brands at the Tack shop for horses. I put 1/4 taspoon in a hlf glass of water and some vitamin C powder. They both dissolve easily and I do not notice a bitter taste, unless I put more in. I take this six or eaight times a day. Lorenzo - Monday, September 23, 2002 12:47 PM Digest Number 516 > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > and well being. > > list or archives: Gettingwell > > ........ Gettingwell- > post............. Gettingwell > digest form...... Gettingwell-digest > individual emails Gettingwell-normal > no email......... Gettingwell-nomail > moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner > ...... Gettingwell- > > > > > ------ > > There are 3 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: MSM > waddle986 > 2. Re: MSM > naturalradical > 3. Re: MSM > waddle986 > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:44:43 EDT > waddle986 > Re: MSM > > > Lorenzo > > Does it readily dissolve in water? > > > In a message dated 09/21/2002 9:50:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > starrisg writes: > > > > > I get MSM from the Horse Doctor. About $20 a pound. I take about a > > > teaspoon a day of the powder. it seems to help me. I also take about > > two > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2003 Report Share Posted March 24, 2003 The Fall 2001 edition of the " Acupuncture Alliance Forum " reported results of a survey they sent out to over 10,000 licensed acupuncturists. The results: professionals practicing less than 5 years make on average (gross income): $25,979 professionals practicing more than 5 years make on average (gross income): $78,346 There are 3 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Typical income for acupuncturist? " DEBRA ARKO NOVOTNY " 2. Re: Typical income for acupuncturist? " DEBRA ARKO NOVOTNY " 3. Re: Typical income for acupuncturist? " DEBRA ARKO NOVOTNY " ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:22:38 -0700 " DEBRA ARKO NOVOTNY " Re: Typical income for acupuncturist? Tyehao is right - this is the main charactistic I see in successful acupuncturists. - " Tyehao Lu " To: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:08 PM Re: acupuncture Typical income for acupuncturist? > Hello, > I myself is not yet an acupuncturist and I am planning > on going to school to do so. With the income part I > think that it depends on how willing you are to work. > My father is an acupuncturist and we have had a clinic > here in Salt Lake City for over 20 years. He was > actually the first one here in Salt Lake City, Utah > licensed. I know that he makes 6 figure income gross, > but the overhead is high. I think if you know how to > work and manage well with finances you can do pretty > well. My parents have worked hard for 20 years, but > now my father will see maybe 10-20 patients per day or > so. It goes up and down. The key is also if you love > serving and helping others you will be able to provide > a living. I am planning on helping my father after I > get back from Acupuncture School and continue, I will > still have to work hard. There is a strong client > base here. Overall, I think that it is how willing > you are to work, and that maybe the case on any > business you start up on your own. > > See-You! > Tyehao > --- DEBRA ARKO NOVOTNY wrote: > > Welcome to the world of healing! (my spell-check, > > etc are not working so > > excuse any grammar problems etc.) > > > > In answer to your question most acpu. make about > > 15k- 25k net. There is a > > small group - less than 20% I believe that make a > > 6-figure income net. NOT > > gross. > > > > You didn't ask but I hope no one will shoot the > > massager if I give you food > > for thought and encouragement. I wish someone would > > have taken the time to > > write me this kind of letter many years ago when I > > started another business > > in another field. I learned the hard way but the > > wonderful insights allowed > > me to gain a very fun, healing and profitable > > practice. > > > > There may be those who disagree but in going to > > conferences all over the > > country this is what fellow TCM people tell me they > > make and I keep record > > as I teach a financial success course for > > holistic/Energetic healers as well > > as others courses. I can not talk to you about that > > as this is NOT the > > purpose of this chat room but I know my info to be > > accurate. Some TCM > > people tell me they make 40-60k but when we get down > > to it they really > > aren't. They make that gross or have low over-head > > and take home of 50%. > > > > Practice structure, overhead, etc all play a part so > > your question can not > > be answered. A better question may be " what is the > > average take home (net) > > of acupuncturists? And then other questions like do > > you practice in a > > private office, in-home, office building or a group > > practice. What is your > > total overhead, do you employee anyone, take > > insurance, etc. Only when I > > attended a finance class of many fields of business > > did I personally figure > > what I truly made. > > > > All-in-all one could say the field of acupuncture > > personal income is $0 to > > anything. As I have know of top people not working > > in the field due to other > > problems yet they may see only 2-4 people per yr. to > > keep their lic. May do > > not work at TCM FT only PT and others hold down > > other jobs. Only some work > > at this FT. > > > > I lecture all over the country and teach to many > > different types of holistic > > groups. My figures are based on that and what I > > have read. My goal in > > writing you is to inspire you to know you can be a > > great healer and make > > great money if you do what you love and love what > > you do. It is one of the > > universal principles that I teach when I lecture to > > any group. > > > > By the way your degree level means nothing. People > > go to healers not those > > who hold the best degree. Your education has just > > begun as the patient > > teaches us the most. You will do great just keep > > learning (taking > > worthwhile courses) and place your heart in healing > > and your mind in > > business. > > > > If you don't have a strong business background get > > one now and be careful of > > programs teaching you how to make a 100K or million. > > Or are just for one > > specialty. All programs have something of value make > > sure you go to the > > right one for you and your level of > > thinking/education. > > > > Ask how much money you will need to have to follow > > their ideas? How many > > people in your area are doing the same marketing - > > maybe you don't want to > > use over-used ideas. ASK for a list how many past > > students are making a > > million or what they suggest you will make if you > > follow their information > > and if they can't provide it why not? Is the $$ in > > gross or net? Its easy > > to make a 100k gross but only bring home 15-25k. > > With all the marketing > > expense of some workshops you have nothing left for > > you. > > > > The program should teach you about how to save what > > you make. Stay out of > > debt. How to market to those you know or have as > > patients etc. If it has > > you placing ads or spending money - many of these > > ideas are so over used > > they don't work or have never worked. Less than 1% > > get a fair return for > > acupu. ads in newspapers for instance. Yet one > > happy patient is worth 5 new > > patients according to stats. So make happy > > patients! How? Sorry I teach > > for part of my living and this is a chat room not a > > class room and I want to > > continue doing both in their own venues. > > > > Who ever you are I believe in you and you will be a > > great healer who also > > will have financial success. Some great reading to > > get you started is Power > > vs. Force. You'll understand by the end of the book > > why. It has nothing to > > do with money and everything to do with who you are > > or choose to become. . . > > . . And The Richest Man in Babylon a book that if > > you start following its > > laws of finance you will make what you should make > > in income and learn many > > things about yourself doing it. > > > > May you love what you do and have plenty in spirit > > and wealth, > > > > DN > > > > And remember it's not about your degree. For now > > don > > > > > > > Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2003 Report Share Posted March 26, 2003 I believe the Acupuncture Alliance Survey is not an accurate measure to base acupuncturist income. Why? Assuming that this was a national survey, acupuncture treatment costs vary, sometimes significantly, from region to region and city to city. For example, a treatment cost in Alaska would vary significantly for a treatment cost in California. Therefore, using a income measure from this survey is misleading. An additional question i have that does not accompany concerning the survey is -- are these figures from acupuncturist in private practice, independent contractors or both? David --- Dude Man <acududeman wrote: > > The Fall 2001 edition of the " Acupuncture Alliance > Forum " reported results of a survey they sent out to > over 10,000 licensed acupuncturists. The results: > professionals practicing less than 5 years make on > average (gross income): $25,979 > professionals practicing more than 5 years make on > average (gross income): $78,346 > > > There are 3 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Typical income for acupuncturist? > " DEBRA ARKO NOVOTNY " > 2. Re: Typical income for acupuncturist? > " DEBRA ARKO NOVOTNY " > 3. Re: Typical income for acupuncturist? > " DEBRA ARKO NOVOTNY " > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:22:38 -0700 > " DEBRA ARKO NOVOTNY " > Re: Typical income for acupuncturist? > > Tyehao is right - this is the main charactistic I > see in successful > acupuncturists. > > > - > " Tyehao Lu " > To: > Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:08 PM > Re: acupuncture Typical income for > acupuncturist? > > > > Hello, > > I myself is not yet an acupuncturist and I am > planning > > on going to school to do so. With the income part > I > > think that it depends on how willing you are to > work. > > My father is an acupuncturist and we have had a > clinic > > here in Salt Lake City for over 20 years. He was > > actually the first one here in Salt Lake City, > Utah > > licensed. I know that he makes 6 figure income > gross, > > but the overhead is high. I think if you know how > to > > work and manage well with finances you can do > pretty > > well. My parents have worked hard for 20 years, > but > > now my father will see maybe 10-20 patients per > day or > > so. It goes up and down. The key is also if you > love > > serving and helping others you will be able to > provide > > a living. I am planning on helping my father after > I > > get back from Acupuncture School and continue, I > will > > still have to work hard. There is a strong client > > base here. Overall, I think that it is how willing > > you are to work, and that maybe the case on any > > business you start up on your own. > > > > See-You! > > Tyehao > > --- DEBRA ARKO NOVOTNY wrote: > > > Welcome to the world of healing! (my > spell-check, > > > etc are not working so > > > excuse any grammar problems etc.) > > > > > > In answer to your question most acpu. make about > > > 15k- 25k net. There is a > > > small group - less than 20% I believe that make > a > > > 6-figure income net. NOT > > > gross. > > > > > > You didn't ask but I hope no one will shoot the > > > massager if I give you food > > > for thought and encouragement. I wish someone > would > > > have taken the time to > > > write me this kind of letter many years ago when > I > > > started another business > > > in another field. I learned the hard way but the > > > wonderful insights allowed > > > me to gain a very fun, healing and profitable > > > practice. > > > > > > There may be those who disagree but in going to > > > conferences all over the > > > country this is what fellow TCM people tell me > they > > > make and I keep record > > > as I teach a financial success course for > > > holistic/Energetic healers as well > > > as others courses. I can not talk to you about > that > > > as this is NOT the > > > purpose of this chat room but I know my info to > be > > > accurate. Some TCM > > > people tell me they make 40-60k but when we get > down > > > to it they really > > > aren't. They make that gross or have low > over-head > > > and take home of 50%. > > > > > > Practice structure, overhead, etc all play a > part so > > > your question can not > > > be answered. A better question may be " what is > the > > > average take home (net) > > > of acupuncturists? And then other questions like > do > > > you practice in a > > > private office, in-home, office building or a > group > > > practice. What is your > > > total overhead, do you employee anyone, take > > > insurance, etc. Only when I > > > attended a finance class of many fields of > business > > > did I personally figure > > > what I truly made. > > > > > > All-in-all one could say the field of > acupuncture > > > personal income is $0 to > > > anything. As I have know of top people not > working > > > in the field due to other > > > problems yet they may see only 2-4 people per > yr. to > > > keep their lic. May do > > > not work at TCM FT only PT and others hold down > > > other jobs. Only some work > > > at this FT. > > > > > > I lecture all over the country and teach to many > > > different types of holistic > > > groups. My figures are based on that and what I > > > have read. My goal in > > > writing you is to inspire you to know you can be > a > > > great healer and make > > > great money if you do what you love and love > what > > > you do. It is one of the > > > universal principles that I teach when I lecture > to > > > any group. > > > > > > By the way your degree level means nothing. > People > > > go to healers not those > > > who hold the best degree. Your education has > just > > > begun as the patient > > > teaches us the most. You will do great just keep > > > learning (taking > > > worthwhile courses) and place your heart in > healing > > > and your mind in > > > business. > > > > > > If you don't have a strong business background > get > > > one now and be careful of > > > programs teaching you how to make a 100K or > million. > > > Or are just for one > > > specialty. All programs have something of value > make > > > sure you go to the > > > right one for you and your level of > > > thinking/education. > > > > > > Ask how much money you will need to have to > follow > > > their ideas? How many > > > people in your area are doing the same marketing > - > === message truncated === Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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