Fwd: Energy Testing, The Most Valuable Tool of the Trade

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creative_energies , " Yael Haran " <harans@z...>

wrote:

Hi,

 

John, sometimes you assume too much. I have a strong connection with

my chakras - through years of evolving energy practises and

self work. Only through opening this connection in myself (and it is

an ongoing journey) do I have the capacity to connect to those

energies within others.

 

But I also have a powerful root chakra which demands reality

checking and grounding. It insists that the only authority that

counts

for anything is the authority of our here-and-now experience.

 

The issue of chakra spins and directions (or chakra color, or even

chakra purpose) is critical to maintaining grounded integrity in

the field of energy medicine. One authority insists that a healthy

chakra spins clockwise, another says either direction is healthy.

Others say to activate chakras effectively turn them anti-clockwise.

None seem to account for perspective and how that affects

direction of spin (eg. viewed from the back - where many work, a

chakra would spin the other way; viewed from within the energy

body, the chakra would spin the other way from a viewing in front of

the energy body...)

 

So these authorities state their stuff - and their students learn

it. Many of these will insist on the truth of their approach without

ever having seen a chakra spin in any direction at all. Personally,

except for the pineal experience I mentioned earlier, I have seen

intense fields of light and blobs of color - I have never seen

spinning with my eyes open.

 

If we look further into this - and the history of chakras, we could

get even more discrepancy. See http://www.kheper.net/topics/

chakras/chakras.htm for a fascinating history of chakra thinking.

 

I have read tantric material which states categorically that the

direction of spin depends on the sex of the person - with women the

root is receptive, with male expressive, and onwards up the system

according to what you would expect. That would be neat if we

weren't all part male and part female, so the question opens again.

 

My teacher Bart ten Berge sees chakra energies. When we meet next

month I am going to put him on the spot with this, although I

love him dearly. It is a question of conscience.

 

Religions and Cultures lay down frames and languages in which we can

interpret reality. Like a language they are useful as a frame

to access a place which is signified beyond. But they are not the

reality. Tibetan budhists actually believe that we create the chakra

system through our consciousness - it has no independent existence.

It was the Thesophists and the New Age that started laying down

independent laws for it. Incidently, the Thesophist chakra system is

quite different.

 

We need to be honest to ourselves and genuine. Our work needs to be

for real, or how could we put the whole of our life-force behind

it? We have to be brave enough to see our beliefs collapse and to do

constant reality checks.

 

My husband is a professor of mathematics. He is quite open-minded.

But regarding the chakra system he says simply: The King is

Naked.

 

I have experienced enough to not throw the baby out with the baby

water, but I want a real baby, not a plastic doll.

 

You had your words about fundamentalism. Fundamentalism at core is

the giving over of internal authority to an exterior entity.

Even students of the New Age are capable of this weakness.

 

Donna Eden has given the most comprehensive, honest and throrough

review of energy medicine I have come across. My only

criticism is a lack of balance (in the book) between honest,

critical, genuine, self development and the healing of others. You

don't

get one without the other.

 

Warmly

 

Yael

 

 

 

 

 

creative_energies , " kahunamaker "

<kahunamaker> wrote:

> > Again and again we are put back on our own pure intuition. Only

on

> >this can we build up this field. I do know when different

> > authorities state opposing views each one with powerful

certainty -

> >then someone has to be wrong - or do they?

>

> > Any input on this discrepancy welcome.

>

> It's not a discrepancy, but it is a lack of clarity of values of

> verification.

>

> This is funny to me. As far as all the ones you quote, the only

one

> that gives and TEACHES a method of simple verification that anyone

> can actually use fairly quickly and easily is Donna Eden.

>

> I mean, " besides intuition " , which with most people is " hopeful

> guessing " .

>

> Normal " hopeful guessing " is less than 25% accurate...

>

> ...and if a person is " switched " , their guessing accuracy drops to

> zero!

>

> With Donna's methods you don't have to be psychic nor intuitive to

> get correct answers. You don't have to see Chakras spin (you

> normally feel that anyway)...

>

> ...just learn to ask the correct question...

>

> ...just learn to energy test accurately...

>

> What you do have to do is practice a couple of things a bit...

>

> I suggest a couple of things...

>

> Suggestion #1, Ask yourself " what specifically is important about

> this question? " . I mean, besides " finding fault " , or proving

which

> one is wrong.

>

> Suggestion #2, Ask yourself, " How can I use this information to

help

> myself go to where I want to go, and help those that I'm here to

> help? "

>

> Suggestion #3, Be damn sure to go back to pg 44-59 of EM, reread

> that segment and really do learn how to energy test accurately.

>

> Suggestion #4, be sure and do some retraining in the following...

>

> ...the Chakras, as far as clearing and energizing...

>

> ...the Starfish pattern, as far a information from the past and

the

> present...

>

> ...the 5 Elements, especially the emotional makeups of each and

how

> that input does change chakra testing...

>

> ...study the endocrine system, and how the endocrine system inter-

> relates with the Chakras, and with the bodies many systems...

>

> ...I also suggest you go back and study the SUDS scale, and how it

> is used for verification of intensity...

>

> ...intensity regardless of whether it is concerning Chakras, or

> emotions, or whatever...

>

> Now we get to the neat part.

>

> When the above is done, and practiced much, then you do start

> getting a " feeling " , a " knowing " ...which you of course still

energy

> test for...

>

> ...and, after much more practice, you just have a knowing, and

> you " know " when others are talking out of their b..t.

>

> There are follow up methods that also really help train

> that 'knowing'. The practice of the pendulum. The practice of

using

> the 'stick plate'. The practice of using magnets. blab, blab, blab.

>

> John M. La Tourrette

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creative_energies , " Yael Haran " <harans@z...>

wrote:

> > I suggest a couple of things...

> >

> > Suggestion #1, Ask yourself " what specifically is important

about

> > this question? " . I mean, besides " finding fault " , or proving

which

> > one is wrong.

> >

> > Suggestion #2, Ask yourself, " How can I use this information to

help

> > myself go to where I want to go, and help those that I'm here to

> > help? "

> >

 

> >

> > John M. La Tourrette

 

John- let me answer your questions, because I think it is important.

 

#1: My aim is not to " find fault " . It is to ground the information

that we get, to be genuine, to work with total integrity. I have an

enormous amount of respect for Donna, for Brennan, for Bruyere, for

Caroline Myss and for others. When they say quietly to trust

your own intuition, they mean trust your own intuition - not someone

elses. My aim is to prove everyone is right, because I do

believe they are all authentic even though they contradict one

another. I have come to an understanding in myself on the chakra

system which indeed allows me to see everyone is right.

It is a language - a powerful one - but a language none the less. It

describes the sublime. It gives us access to aspects of our

existence that are simply unreachable by the rational mind. But it

is a tool. There are many languages in the world which can be

used to express the word " truth " .

If we use counterclockwise to symbolise disease - that is what we

train our unconscious to give us. If we believe red indicates anger

- then we will see red for anger. There is no objectivity here, it

is all subjective. Which does not undermine the accuracy of the

results of any healer. Nor does it mean that the intuitions of such

healers are very beneficial and often remarkable.

 

#2. Well to help myself, it is essential to be genuine. Authenticity

depends on trusting your own experience and being prepared to

accept internal authority as the only authority - on this and all

other matters. I won't split myself into little pieces and declare

that

negative thoughts and honest question are unacceptable. What purpose

would that serve?

To help others, a deep understanding of the nature of the tools we

use is also important. The consideration of this simply question of

chakra direction leads to a much deeper understanding of the nature

of healing.

It leads to a deep knowing and respect for the power of others to

accept the responsibility of their own authority over their lives,

and the importance of this. It is actually a matter of humility as a

healer.

Throughout history we have seen religious and spiritual institutions

cascade into a situation where they claim that only their way

is the right way. To honor Donna, and the many beautiful things that

are happening in the New Age, I see it as a responsibility to

avoid this manner of thinking which is based on weakness not

strength, on human frailty and fear not self-empowerment.

 

Sooner or later all of us will have to accept that the only thing

that really endures is the quality of our own experience. It is a

process of graduation and through this the field of energy medicine

can evolve, as can we.

 

Warmly

Yael

 

http://www.geocities.com/veratherapy

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creative_energies , " kahunamaker "

<kahunamaker> wrote:

creative_energies , Stacie@T... wrote:

> Oh well. I'm just going to have to say it. I think Donna Eden is

>wonderful, but I seriously dislike energy testing.

 

First, let me THANK all the ones that have written me

privately, " thanking me " for my input and questions. My " Thanks in

Return " to all of you.

 

Second Stacie, let me start off with telling you something I really

appreciate about you.

 

I really appreciate your honesty in speaking your mind about " why do

don't use Energy Testing " , and I got to say it, " I used to totally

agree with you " , but not anymore.

 

I've been there, especially when I was incompetant in doing Energy

Testing.

 

After I reached the upper levels of Competancy III, then I felt much

better in doing it.

 

And, it did take a year or so.

 

>I have seen it work,

 

Good for you. Then when you think about using it yourself...

 

> but something in me distrusts it because I >think it is too

>dependent upon the intentions of the healer and the >healee. In

>other words, one can stack the testing.

 

So what? You are not abdicating control, you are learning more

control.

 

That's what the process is all about, is it not?

 

So, I'd look to yourself and check out EFT or TFT or BSFF...

 

Do the drill, you get the skill...

 

ie, " Even thought I distrust ET, I still totally Love and Appreciate

Myself " ...do that three times...then run the points, finishing up

with the gamute.

 

The drill I used with myself many years ago was, " Even though f..k

up ETing, I still Appreciate and Respect myself " ...which I did 3

times, then ran the points...

 

The results? My skills at ET got much better instantly.

 

You know that you don't have to use ET.

 

Don't even think about how much more accurate you could and would be

if you had a REAL verification process.

 

Is it easy learning it?

 

No.

 

Is it worth learning it?

 

Only if you want to get past " wishing " and past " confusion " .

 

Only if you want more and better tools of calibration for energy

work so you can increase your efficiency by at least 10 fold...

 

....because once you've actually stepped into the upper stage

of " Competancy Level III " , then you'll be grateful you've learned it.

 

....then you'll wonder what stopped you from actually spending the

few minutes a day for a period of time to give yourself that

valuable skill.

 

I still remember the first time I and a group of other trainees

energy tested under controlled conditions for an experiment that

David was doing...

 

....and I was working with a skinny lady (a very nice person) with

very thin arms...

 

....and my index finder was stronger than her arms, chest and weight

combined...

 

....and did we screw up (technical term) that test. We got 20

incorrect out of twenty trys...

 

....which is literally impossible...since there is ONLY two choices...

 

....so I asked Donna, and she said, " Gosh Jack, you are just

switched, so you actually got them all correct! " ...

 

....which was one Hell of a nice reframe on her part.

 

Hope this helps.

John M. La Tourrette

You DO the Drills, You Get The Skills!

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