Guest guest Posted March 5, 2001 Report Share Posted March 5, 2001 > >>>>>I do not believe all this is appropriate in a " medical training " what >you are describing has to be divided into other professions such as medical >anthropology etc. Training clinicians is a totally different goal then >training medical anthropologists >Alon > > Kelly: I think it is important to remember that we are talking about " Chinese " medicine. In order to study the concepts and theoretical framework effectively we MUST look at the culture and its assumptions and how they differ from our own. To me this involves a study of the language, etymology of characters, medical anthropology, a study in the martial arts, philosophy. Chinese medicine is not an isolated phenomenon that can be uprooted from its cultural context. In China I think they have the language and cultural icons and mythology to draw on as points of reference. They do not learn LI4 they learn " Hegu " . I do however think it is possible just to memorize the technique and apply it fairly effectively but one will have no deep understanding of what they are doing. My agenda is that I believe the medicine is deep and can foster deep healing but this means the practitioner must have committed themselves to self cultivation on a very deep level and integrate the wisdom of Chinese medicine, its history and philosophy into the fabric of their lives....Kelly _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2001 Report Share Posted March 5, 2001 Very nicely put, Kelly. Ken > Kelly: I think it is important to remember that we are talking about > " Chinese " medicine. In order to study the concepts and theoretical > framework effectively we MUST look at the culture and its assumptions and > how they differ from our own. To me this involves a study of the language, > etymology of characters, medical anthropology, a study in the martial arts, > philosophy. Chinese medicine is not an isolated phenomenon that can be > uprooted from its cultural context. In China I think they have the language > and cultural icons and mythology to draw on as points of reference. They do > not learn LI4 they learn " Hegu " . > I do however think it is possible just to memorize the technique and > apply it fairly effectively but one will have no deep understanding of what > they are doing. My agenda is that I believe the medicine is deep and can > foster deep healing but this means the practitioner must have committed > themselves to self cultivation on a very deep level and integrate the wisdom > of Chinese medicine, its history and philosophy into the fabric of their > lives....Kelly > _______________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2001 Report Share Posted March 5, 2001 and can foster deep healing but this means the practitioner must have committed themselves to self cultivation on a very deep level and integrate the wisdom of Chinese medicine, its history and philosophy into the fabric of their lives.... >>>And looking at outcomes cuts through what is belief and dogma and what's not. Again I am not at all convinced that the best outcomes I have seen throughout the 18 yr. I have studied TCM were by Chinese speakers Alon - Kelly Welch Monday, March 05, 2001 6:29 AM Re: Digest Number 510 > >>>>>I do not believe all this is appropriate in a "medical training" what >you are describing has to be divided into other professions such as medical >anthropology etc. Training clinicians is a totally different goal then >training medical anthropologists>Alon>>Kelly: I think it is important to remember that we are talking about "Chinese" medicine. In order to study the concepts and theoretical framework effectively we MUST look at the culture and its assumptions and how they differ from our own. To me this involves a study of the language, etymology of characters, medical anthropology, a study in the martial arts, philosophy. Chinese medicine is not an isolated phenomenon that can be uprooted from its cultural context. In China I think they have the language and cultural icons and mythology to draw on as points of reference. They do not learn LI4 they learn "Hegu". I do however think it is possible just to memorize the technique and apply it fairly effectively but one will have no deep understanding of what they are doing. My agenda is that I believe the medicine is deep and can foster deep healing but this means the practitioner must have committed themselves to self cultivation on a very deep level and integrate the wisdom of Chinese medicine, its history and philosophy into the fabric of their lives....Kelly_______________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.comThe Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2002 Report Share Posted June 30, 2002 Kelley, Sometimes things happen for a reason! Although I am sorry you lost your job, I am so excited for you! Good luck with the Grand Opening this week and let us all know how it went!!! -- Gina Oasis Lip Balm---Where parched lips find the moisture they seek! http://www.bhcdecadence.com/bhcd/oasis.shtml > > > 29 Jun 2002 22:08:04 -0000 > > Digest Number 510 > > Message: 1 > Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:35:06 -0500 (CDT) > " Kelley M. Blair " <angelofbast > OT: Making It Work > > Hi all! > > Well, today I lost my job. I was part of 17000 laid off...gee, can you > guess where I worked? That's right...I was the office manager for WorldCom > in Madison. Anyway, I'm excited about the time off because I can dedicate > all of my time to my business now, and hopefully make a go of things. > > I'm curious how the successful people out there got exposure. I'm going > to have a helluva lotta time on my hands now, and I don't want to take > advantage of it and just sit on my butt-I want to be out there getting my > business off the ground, but am overwhelmed at where to start. Any ideas > or suggestions? > > TIA, > > Kelley > > ¸..·´¨¨)) -:¦:- > ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) > ((¸¸.·´ ...´ -:¦:- The Simple Things -:¦:- > -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* www.talk-freedom.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Hi Stephen, " Never really have " morning wood, " and I'm only 23. What's that mean? " I am not an official student of TCM, but did study informally in an acupuncture clinic for many months under a TCM master in my area. These six points I listed are his criteria for good health and are ones he passes on to his patients in a handout. I expect that if there is no regular morning erection then perhaps there may be weakness in the Kidney function. Notice how he also mentions being up and ready to go in the morning in another point, which he stated was definitely due to good Kidney function. The Kidney function as I understand it, from listening to this person and also from reading an article by Michael Tierra includes the reproductive system, the adrenals, thyroid and endocrine system, the central nervous system and the brain. Perhaps also there would be something involved with the flow of blood at night as well, which might indicate some involvement with the liver. As the liver exchanges its blood between 1-3 am (TCM hours) I would guess the proper flow and exchange of blood might have something to do with morning erection in the male as well. I have read that some Western TCM practitioners feel there may be some liver stagnation in almost all Westerners. Again this is just a thought on my part and perhaps some looking into this and questioning some others might lead to a more definitive answer than I am able to give. Sarah In a message dated 3/13/2003 4:35:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, acupuncture writes: > Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:33:51 -0500 > " Stephen Bachelor " <psychoceramic > Re: Re: Health not disease > > Never heard of that last point of diagnosis before, and it's the only one > I'm not passing on. Never really have " morning wood, " and I'm only 23. > What's that mean? > > - > bonmotSarah > Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:48:21 EST > acupuncture > acupuncture Re: Health not disease > > > In a message dated 3/10/2003 4:22:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > acupuncture writes: > > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:53:39 -0000 > > > " mish1232242 " <mish1232242 > > > health not disease > > > > > > > > > I have a simple question? How would you best define health? > > > > > > > > The six ways to know if you are healthy, according to my TCM > practitioner: > > > > The palms of your hands and the soles of your feet will be warm (the tops > of > > both will be cool) and your forehead will be cool. > > > > Normal appetite: hungry at meal times, food tastes good, and you consume > the > > proper amount of food to maintain the body properly (not too much or too > > little). > > > > You will have a normal b.m. once a day, preferably between 5-7am and it > will > > be a normal brown color and formed (not too hard or too loose, not hard > balls > > or long strings, a feeling that the bowels have been emptied). > > > > You will have between 5-7 urinations per day. Not dribbling, but good > > quantity and force. The color should be a light yellow. More or less > > urination per day is not good health, nor is a dark color or a clear > color. > > > > You will sleep through the night and not wake up a lot (you may have > > disturbed sleep once in a while, but if it is every night then you are > not in > > good health). Also you should feel rested on awaking and ready to face > the > > day with energy (which shows good Kidney function). > > > > If you are a male you will wake up with an erection. If female your > nipples > > will be firm on awaking. > > > > So that is the TCM lecture from my TCM practitioner for the day! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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