Guest guest Posted April 11, 2002 Report Share Posted April 11, 2002 This sounds so awful and I hope that your friend is soon feeling better. I do not think that anyone could/should be recommending treatment for a serious problem without first seeing the patient. Perhaps in the first instance she should be seeking medical attention and then, after the crisis, relying on more natural care. It is wonderful to be able to trust in the power of nature, but sometimes humans have to intervene, and after that intervention then she can use natural ways to bring her back to complete health My thoughts are with her and her carers Regards Ann - Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 My prayers are with your friend! I hope she is on the road to a full recovery in no time ... Do we have any Reiki Healing Energy Senders on the list? *Smile* Chris (list mom) http://www.alittleolfactory.com Manuela Federella wrote: > Hi all, > > a friend who lives in Barcelona Spain needs help for a friend > urgently, please answer directly to him if you can help: > ulysseduemila > > Please also join us in sending energy and positive thinking > her way. > > THANKS in advance! > Namaste > Manuela > > > > > > *** > > > > I'm taking care of a close soulmate, who has the bartholin gland > > infected. > > > > The infection started Thursday 28th of March. It started being > > unbearably painful a week ago (Thrusday 4th of April). She started the > > antibiotics on Friday (Friday 5th of April, Orbenin, Sunday 7th of > > April Augmentine instead of the previous one). Since Sunday she is > > taking painkillers: Espidifen). > > > > Unfortunately the first 2 nights she drunk alcohol (a friend of us > > told us that alcohol neutralizes the effects of the antibiotics: is > > that true? The information inside the pacakge doesn't mention that). > > > > The gland is swollen to the size of a kiwi (when is supposed to be the > > size of a pea). She is in extreme pain. The antibiotics seem not doing > > any good. The pain has been increasing each day a little more. The > > pain is like fire, like a rod within her. > > > > She is unable to walk. > > > > She is now spending several hour a day in the bathtub (water body > > temprature), the only place where she finds a little relief and > > comfort. > > > > She has no fever and the rest of the body is doing fine. > > > > She is vegan: no animal products or byproducts in her life. > > > > The antibiotics have been suggested by a ginecologyst. We are in touch > > with a couple of them, but they propose only two alternatives: more > > antibiotics or invading her body. > > > > We refuse to believe that this are the only options, thrusting in the > > omnipotent and omnipresent power of nature. > > > > I am looking for a natural way to stop the pain and bring her back to > > complete health. Any information is helpful: hearbs, massages, > > acu-pression, yoga, ayurveda, ... > > > > FYI, we leave 20m distance from Barcelona, Sant Cugat. > > > > Thank you in advance > > > > Ciao > > > > Gianluca > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 Chris, I am a Reiki Master. Consider it done personelly and also on a Reiki Healing Mandala. Sandi > My prayers are with your friend! I hope she is on the road to a full > recovery in no time ... > > Do we have any Reiki Healing Energy Senders on the list? > > *Smile* > Chris (list mom) > > http://www.alittleolfactory.com > > Manuela Federella wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > a friend who lives in Barcelona Spain needs help for a friend > > urgently, please answer directly to him if you can help: > > ulysseduemila > > > > Please also join us in sending energy and positive thinking > > her way. > > > > THANKS in advance! > > Namaste > > Manuela > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > I'm taking care of a close soulmate, who has the bartholin gland > > > infected. > > > > > > The infection started Thursday 28th of March. It started being > > > unbearably painful a week ago (Thrusday 4th of April). She started the > > > antibiotics on Friday (Friday 5th of April, Orbenin, Sunday 7th of > > > April Augmentine instead of the previous one). Since Sunday she is > > > taking painkillers: Espidifen). > > > > > > Unfortunately the first 2 nights she drunk alcohol (a friend of us > > > told us that alcohol neutralizes the effects of the antibiotics: is > > > that true? The information inside the pacakge doesn't mention that). > > > > > > The gland is swollen to the size of a kiwi (when is supposed to be the > > > size of a pea). She is in extreme pain. The antibiotics seem not doing > > > any good. The pain has been increasing each day a little more. The > > > pain is like fire, like a rod within her. > > > > > > She is unable to walk. > > > > > > She is now spending several hour a day in the bathtub (water body > > > temprature), the only place where she finds a little relief and > > > comfort. > > > > > > She has no fever and the rest of the body is doing fine. > > > > > > She is vegan: no animal products or byproducts in her life. > > > > > > The antibiotics have been suggested by a ginecologyst. We are in touch > > > with a couple of them, but they propose only two alternatives: more > > > antibiotics or invading her body. > > > > > > We refuse to believe that this are the only options, thrusting in the > > > omnipotent and omnipresent power of nature. > > > > > > I am looking for a natural way to stop the pain and bring her back to > > > complete health. Any information is helpful: hearbs, massages, > > > acu-pression, yoga, ayurveda, ... > > > > > > FYI, we leave 20m distance from Barcelona, Sant Cugat. > > > > > > Thank you in advance > > > > > > Ciao > > > > > > Gianluca > > > > > > > How To Make Rose Petal Jam - Step By Step Instructions > http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html > > To Un send a blank e-mail to: - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2002 Report Share Posted April 12, 2002 My prayers are with your friend. Andrea - " Sandi Lundberg " <injoy Friday, April 12, 2002 8:28 AM Re: urgent help needed > Chris, > I am a Reiki Master. Consider it done personelly and > also on a Reiki Healing Mandala. > Sandi > > > My prayers are with your friend! I hope she is on the road to a full > > recovery in no time ... > > > > Do we have any Reiki Healing Energy Senders on the list? > > > > *Smile* > > Chris (list mom) > > > > http://www.alittleolfactory.com > > > > Manuela Federella wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > a friend who lives in Barcelona Spain needs help for a friend > > > urgently, please answer directly to him if you can help: > > > ulysseduemila > > > > > > Please also join us in sending energy and positive thinking > > > her way. > > > > > > THANKS in advance! > > > Namaste > > > Manuela > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > I'm taking care of a close soulmate, who has the bartholin gland > > > > infected. > > > > > > > > The infection started Thursday 28th of March. It started being > > > > unbearably painful a week ago (Thrusday 4th of April). She started the > > > > antibiotics on Friday (Friday 5th of April, Orbenin, Sunday 7th of > > > > April Augmentine instead of the previous one). Since Sunday she is > > > > taking painkillers: Espidifen). > > > > > > > > Unfortunately the first 2 nights she drunk alcohol (a friend of us > > > > told us that alcohol neutralizes the effects of the antibiotics: is > > > > that true? The information inside the pacakge doesn't mention that). > > > > > > > > The gland is swollen to the size of a kiwi (when is supposed to be the > > > > size of a pea). She is in extreme pain. The antibiotics seem not doing > > > > any good. The pain has been increasing each day a little more. The > > > > pain is like fire, like a rod within her. > > > > > > > > She is unable to walk. > > > > > > > > She is now spending several hour a day in the bathtub (water body > > > > temprature), the only place where she finds a little relief and > > > > comfort. > > > > > > > > She has no fever and the rest of the body is doing fine. > > > > > > > > She is vegan: no animal products or byproducts in her life. > > > > > > > > The antibiotics have been suggested by a ginecologyst. We are in touch > > > > with a couple of them, but they propose only two alternatives: more > > > > antibiotics or invading her body. > > > > > > > > We refuse to believe that this are the only options, thrusting in the > > > > omnipotent and omnipresent power of nature. > > > > > > > > I am looking for a natural way to stop the pain and bring her back to > > > > complete health. Any information is helpful: hearbs, massages, > > > > acu-pression, yoga, ayurveda, ... > > > > > > > > FYI, we leave 20m distance from Barcelona, Sant Cugat. > > > > > > > > Thank you in advance > > > > > > > > Ciao > > > > > > > > Gianluca > > > > > > > > > > > > > How To Make Rose Petal Jam - Step By Step Instructions > > http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html > > > > To Un send a blank e-mail to: > - > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2002 Report Share Posted November 20, 2002 I delivered a breech baby with no ceasar. The doctor should know how to handle such a delivery. The tric apparently is not touching the baby before his head is out as touching him causes him to want to breath and then suffocates as he is still in. Good luck. Corinne. - " Lisa Belcher " <lisabelcher <herbal remedies > Monday, November 18, 2002 11:36 AM [herbal remedies] urgent help needed > Hi guys, > > I just heard a friend of mine is scheduled for a ceasarean tomorrow > afternoon because her baby is breech (she's 38 weeks pregnant) > > I remember hearing of a natural remedy which can help turn a baby > around, but I can't remember what that rememdy was. Could you please > advise? I need to know tonight, as of course if she's going to try > anything, it's going to have to be quick! > > Thanks guys. > > love, > Lisa > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Hi Marti, Thanks! Jean decided she did want the caesarean, and went ahead with it. She now has a bouncing baby boy, and everything went fine. I knew of that website, and offered Jean the phone number, but as I said, she'd decided already. love, Lisa - Marti Marshall herbal remedies Monday, November 18, 2002 8:35 PM Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed A couple things that have worked:Eat very spicy food. Gets the baby moving.Lay on a slanted board (I used my ironing board) with mom's head down by thefloor.This can be done by a MD or Midwife: they do a manual rotation (usuallywhile they have the ultrasound going). Be sure to eat spicy food before yougo <g>.Usually, but would want the midwife to verify depending on position of babyand placenta, laying on left side (as in when sleeping).Go to: http://www.gr8birth.com/ which is where my kids were birthed. Thereis a phone number and email listed on the site.Hope this helps.MartiSunland, CA-"Lisa Belcher" <lisabelcher<herbal remedies >Monday, November 18, 2002 11:36 AM[herbal remedies] urgent help needed> Hi guys,>> I just heard a friend of mine is scheduled for a ceasarean tomorrow> afternoon because her baby is breech (she's 38 weeks pregnant)>> I remember hearing of a natural remedy which can help turn a baby> around, but I can't remember what that rememdy was. Could you please> advise? I need to know tonight, as of course if she's going to try> anything, it's going to have to be quick!>> Thanks guys.>> love,> Lisa>>>> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any naturalremedy.> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician andto> prescribe for your own health.> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as longas> they behave themselves.> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and anyperson> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products fromlist members, you are agreeing to> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner andmembers free of any liability.>> Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Thanks Janet. Jean didn't want to take any options given, went ahead with the caesarean and now has a bouncy baby boy - no problems :-) love, Lisa - Dragonhealer herbal remedies Monday, November 18, 2002 9:52 PM Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed Lisa, Chiropractors have a technique called Webster's that is supposed to turn the baby within 24 hours. Janet - Lisa Belcher herbal remedies Monday, November 18, 2002 11:36 AM [herbal remedies] urgent help needed Hi guys,I just heard a friend of mine is scheduled for a ceasarean tomorrow afternoon because her baby is breech (she's 38 weeks pregnant)I remember hearing of a natural remedy which can help turn a baby around, but I can't remember what that rememdy was. Could you please advise? I need to know tonight, as of course if she's going to try anything, it's going to have to be quick!Thanks guys.love,LisaFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Hi Lauren, I tried to tell this to my friend, but she'd already made up her mind, and went ahead with the c-section. She now has a bouncing baby boy, and thankfully everything went well! Thanks :-) Lisa - Lauren Bastow herbal remedies Tuesday, November 19, 2002 4:34 PM RE: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed Try a chiropractor adjustment. Also call the midwives in your area to see if there is anything else that can be done. Just so you know, c-sections are not necessary for breech babies. I was a breech twin and my mom pushed us both out just fine. It's just that the doctors don't like them so they force c-sections on poor moms that don't know any better. Lisa Belcher [lisabelcher] Monday, November 18, 2002 11:36 AMherbal remedies Subject: [herbal remedies] urgent help neededHi guys,I just heard a friend of mine is scheduled for a ceasarean tomorrow afternoon because her baby is breech (she's 38 weeks pregnant)I remember hearing of a natural remedy which can help turn a baby around, but I can't remember what that rememdy was. Could you please advise? I need to know tonight, as of course if she's going to try anything, it's going to have to be quick!Thanks guys.love,LisaFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2002 Report Share Posted November 22, 2002 Oh well. Can only help those that want to be helped. Marti - Lisa Belcher herbal remedies Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:01 PM Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed Hi Marti, Thanks! Jean decided she did want the caesarean, and went ahead with it. She now has a bouncing baby boy, and everything went fine. I knew of that website, and offered Jean the phone number, but as I said, she'd decided already. love, Lisa - Marti Marshall herbal remedies Monday, November 18, 2002 8:35 PM Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed A couple things that have worked:Eat very spicy food. Gets the baby moving.Lay on a slanted board (I used my ironing board) with mom's head down by thefloor.This can be done by a MD or Midwife: they do a manual rotation (usuallywhile they have the ultrasound going). Be sure to eat spicy food before yougo <g>.Usually, but would want the midwife to verify depending on position of babyand placenta, laying on left side (as in when sleeping).Go to: http://www.gr8birth.com/ which is where my kids were birthed. Thereis a phone number and email listed on the site.Hope this helps.MartiSunland, CA-"Lisa Belcher" <lisabelcher<herbal remedies >Monday, November 18, 2002 11:36 AM[herbal remedies] urgent help needed> Hi guys,>> I just heard a friend of mine is scheduled for a ceasarean tomorrow> afternoon because her baby is breech (she's 38 weeks pregnant)>> I remember hearing of a natural remedy which can help turn a baby> around, but I can't remember what that rememdy was. Could you please> advise? I need to know tonight, as of course if she's going to try> anything, it's going to have to be quick!>> Thanks guys.>> love,> Lisa>>>> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any naturalremedy.> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician andto> prescribe for your own health.> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as longas> they behave themselves.> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and anyperson> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products fromlist members, you are agreeing to> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner andmembers free of any liability.>> Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Thanks Corinne, My friend has had her Csection and has a big baby boy. Everything went fine, thankfully. Lisa - Corine Deakin herbal remedies Wednesday, November 20, 2002 5:57 AM Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed I delivered a breech baby with no ceasar. The doctor should know how tohandle such a delivery.The tric apparently is not touching the baby before his head is out astouching him causes him to want to breath and then suffocates as he is stillin.Good luck.Corinne.-"Lisa Belcher" <lisabelcher<herbal remedies >Monday, November 18, 2002 11:36 AM[herbal remedies] urgent help needed> Hi guys,>> I just heard a friend of mine is scheduled for a ceasarean tomorrow> afternoon because her baby is breech (she's 38 weeks pregnant)>> I remember hearing of a natural remedy which can help turn a baby> around, but I can't remember what that rememdy was. Could you please> advise? I need to know tonight, as of course if she's going to try> anything, it's going to have to be quick!>> Thanks guys.>> love,> Lisa>>>> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any naturalremedy.> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician andto> prescribe for your own health.> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as longas> they behave themselves.> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and anyperson> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products fromlist members, you are agreeing to> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner andmembers free of any liability.>> Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 My mother did twins that were both breech & no c-sec. If the trick is to not touch the baby, then I would suggest a waterbirth. Most (if not all) ob-gyn's would rather not bother with the extra effort a non-surgical breech & if the operation is scheduled for tommorrow, then I suspect that everybody's mind is made up. At least wait until 40 weeks though, all due dates are + & - 2 weeks. -Shelby Corine Deakin [c.deakin]Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:58 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help neededI delivered a breech baby with no ceasar. The doctor should know how tohandle such a delivery.The tric apparently is not touching the baby before his head is out astouching him causes him to want to breath and then suffocates as he is stillin.Good luck.Corinne.-"Lisa Belcher" <lisabelcher<herbal remedies >Monday, November 18, 2002 11:36 AM[herbal remedies] urgent help needed> Hi guys,>> I just heard a friend of mine is scheduled for a ceasarean tomorrow> afternoon because her baby is breech (she's 38 weeks pregnant)>> I remember hearing of a natural remedy which can help turn a baby> around, but I can't remember what that rememdy was. Could you please> advise? I need to know tonight, as of course if she's going to try> anything, it's going to have to be quick!>> Thanks guys.>> love,> Lisa>>>> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any naturalremedy.> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician andto> prescribe for your own health.> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as longas> they behave themselves.> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and anyperson> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products fromlist members, you are agreeing to> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner andmembers free of any liability.>> Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 I've had some birth professionals tell me that doctors aren't currently trained in breech birth and other common scenarios... " This has often been the stickiest problem. Many doctors just aren't trained to deliver a breech baby vaginally, and know that it will be much safer for mother and baby for them to do a cesarean. Even though there was a trend to offer vaginal breech birth for about the past decade, most breech babies in the United States have been delivered by cesarean for at least the past 20 years. As fewer and fewer breech babies were born vaginally, fewer obstetrical residents gained experience with vaginal breech births. As these doctors went into practice, they were aware they were not proficient at managing complications that can arise during a breech vaginal delivery. Between the new recommendations from the American College, and the lack of experienced physicians, breech vaginal delivery will soon be relegated to books on the history of obstetrics. " http://www.drspock.com/article/0,1510,5275,00.html > > Corine Deakin [c.deakin] > Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:58 PM > herbal remedies > Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed > > > I delivered a breech baby with no ceasar. The doctor should know how to > handle such a delivery. > The tric apparently is not touching the baby before his head is out as > touching him causes him to want to breath and then suffocates as > he is still > in. > Good luck. > Corinne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2002 Report Share Posted November 25, 2002 Thanks Shelby. My friend has had her C-section and has a bouncing baby boy now. And yes, her mind was made up, so I didn't manage to help her handle it another way. Lisa - Shelby Blakely herbal remedies Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:51 PM RE: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed My mother did twins that were both breech & no c-sec. If the trick is to not touch the baby, then I would suggest a waterbirth. Most (if not all) ob-gyn's would rather not bother with the extra effort a non-surgical breech & if the operation is scheduled for tommorrow, then I suspect that everybody's mind is made up. At least wait until 40 weeks though, all due dates are + & - 2 weeks. -Shelby Corine Deakin [c.deakin]Tuesday, November 19, 2002 9:58 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help neededI delivered a breech baby with no ceasar. The doctor should know how tohandle such a delivery.The tric apparently is not touching the baby before his head is out astouching him causes him to want to breath and then suffocates as he is stillin.Good luck.Corinne.-"Lisa Belcher" <lisabelcher<herbal remedies >Monday, November 18, 2002 11:36 AM[herbal remedies] urgent help needed> Hi guys,>> I just heard a friend of mine is scheduled for a ceasarean tomorrow> afternoon because her baby is breech (she's 38 weeks pregnant)>> I remember hearing of a natural remedy which can help turn a baby> around, but I can't remember what that rememdy was. Could you please> advise? I need to know tonight, as of course if she's going to try> anything, it's going to have to be quick!>> Thanks guys.>> love,> Lisa>>>> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any naturalremedy.> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician andto> prescribe for your own health.> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as longas> they behave themselves.> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and anyperson> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products fromlist members, you are agreeing to> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner andmembers free of any liability.>> Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2002 Report Share Posted November 25, 2002 Here where I live they aren't keen on delivering natural. When I was in labour with a breech baby, the docs were hovering over me with a consent form for C-section, trying to persuade me to go ahead - not exactly the kind of help you want when you're in labour! I got very upset with it and continued to refuse. Unfortunately my baby got into difficulties, and they had to rush me in for an emergency c-section. I keep thinking though, and wondering, if these difficulties were caused, at least partially, by the constant pressure I was getting to not continue the natural birth process and getting very stressed out. Here I was on the table, trying to have a baby, with the Docs pushing the forms under my nose, trying to get me to sign! My niece is about to have a baby who's breech, and she's in The Netherlands. I was surprised to hear that the Docs suggested she try naturally first. Very different from the UK! Anyway, it's all water under the bridge now, as my friend has had her baby now. Lisa - Yuquibo herbal remedies Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:18 PM RE: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed I've had some birth professionals tell me that doctors aren't currentlytrained in breech birth and other common scenarios..."This has often been the stickiest problem. Many doctors just aren't trainedto deliver a breech baby vaginally, and know that it will be much safer formother and baby for them to do a cesarean. Even though there was a trend tooffer vaginal breech birth for about the past decade, most breech babies inthe United States have been delivered by cesarean for at least the past 20years. As fewer and fewer breech babies were born vaginally, fewerobstetrical residents gained experience with vaginal breech births. As thesedoctors went into practice, they were aware they were not proficient atmanaging complications that can arise during a breech vaginal delivery.Between the new recommendations from the American College, and the lack ofexperienced physicians, breech vaginal delivery will soon be relegated tobooks on the history of obstetrics."http://www.drspock.com/article/0,1510,5275,00.html> > Corine Deakin [c.deakin]> Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:58 PM> herbal remedies > Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed>>> I delivered a breech baby with no ceasar. The doctor should know how to> handle such a delivery.> The tric apparently is not touching the baby before his head is out as> touching him causes him to want to breath and then suffocates as> he is still> in.> Good luck.> Corinne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2002 Report Share Posted November 25, 2002 Remember Wendy Savage? She advocated natural childbirth and see how she got drag through a mountain of blades (metaphor of course) by the misogynist establishment! I wonder where she is now.. Anna - Lisa Belcher herbal remedies Monday, November 25, 2002 3:57 PM Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed Here where I live they aren't keen on delivering natural. When I was in labour with a breech baby, the docs were hovering over me with a consent form for C-section, trying to persuade me to go ahead - not exactly the kind of help you want when you're in labour! I got very upset with it and continued to refuse. Unfortunately my baby got into difficulties, and they had to rush me in for an emergency c-section. I keep thinking though, and wondering, if these difficulties were caused, at least partially, by the constant pressure I was getting to not continue the natural birth process and getting very stressed out. Here I was on the table, trying to have a baby, with the Docs pushing the forms under my nose, trying to get me to sign! My niece is about to have a baby who's breech, and she's in The Netherlands. I was surprised to hear that the Docs suggested she try naturally first. Very different from the UK! Anyway, it's all water under the bridge now, as my friend has had her baby now. Lisa - Yuquibo herbal remedies Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:18 PM RE: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed I've had some birth professionals tell me that doctors aren't currentlytrained in breech birth and other common scenarios..."This has often been the stickiest problem. Many doctors just aren't trainedto deliver a breech baby vaginally, and know that it will be much safer formother and baby for them to do a cesarean. Even though there was a trend tooffer vaginal breech birth for about the past decade, most breech babies inthe United States have been delivered by cesarean for at least the past 20years. As fewer and fewer breech babies were born vaginally, fewerobstetrical residents gained experience with vaginal breech births. As thesedoctors went into practice, they were aware they were not proficient atmanaging complications that can arise during a breech vaginal delivery.Between the new recommendations from the American College, and the lack ofexperienced physicians, breech vaginal delivery will soon be relegated tobooks on the history of obstetrics."http://www.drspock.com/article/0,1510,5275,00.html> > Corine Deakin [c.deakin]> Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:58 PM> herbal remedies > Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed>>> I delivered a breech baby with no ceasar. The doctor should know how to> handle such a delivery.> The tric apparently is not touching the baby before his head is out as> touching him causes him to want to breath and then suffocates as> he is still> in.> Good luck.> Corinne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2002 Report Share Posted November 26, 2002 Sorry Anna, never heard of her. I'm in the UK, not USA, so maybe that is why. Lisa - aldousanna herbal remedies Monday, November 25, 2002 10:39 PM Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed Remember Wendy Savage? She advocated natural childbirth and see how she got drag through a mountain of blades (metaphor of course) by the misogynist establishment! I wonder where she is now.. Anna - Lisa Belcher herbal remedies Monday, November 25, 2002 3:57 PM Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed Here where I live they aren't keen on delivering natural. When I was in labour with a breech baby, the docs were hovering over me with a consent form for C-section, trying to persuade me to go ahead - not exactly the kind of help you want when you're in labour! I got very upset with it and continued to refuse. Unfortunately my baby got into difficulties, and they had to rush me in for an emergency c-section. I keep thinking though, and wondering, if these difficulties were caused, at least partially, by the constant pressure I was getting to not continue the natural birth process and getting very stressed out. Here I was on the table, trying to have a baby, with the Docs pushing the forms under my nose, trying to get me to sign! My niece is about to have a baby who's breech, and she's in The Netherlands. I was surprised to hear that the Docs suggested she try naturally first. Very different from the UK! Anyway, it's all water under the bridge now, as my friend has had her baby now. Lisa - Yuquibo herbal remedies Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:18 PM RE: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed I've had some birth professionals tell me that doctors aren't currentlytrained in breech birth and other common scenarios..."This has often been the stickiest problem. Many doctors just aren't trainedto deliver a breech baby vaginally, and know that it will be much safer formother and baby for them to do a cesarean. Even though there was a trend tooffer vaginal breech birth for about the past decade, most breech babies inthe United States have been delivered by cesarean for at least the past 20years. As fewer and fewer breech babies were born vaginally, fewerobstetrical residents gained experience with vaginal breech births. As thesedoctors went into practice, they were aware they were not proficient atmanaging complications that can arise during a breech vaginal delivery.Between the new recommendations from the American College, and the lack ofexperienced physicians, breech vaginal delivery will soon be relegated tobooks on the history of obstetrics."http://www.drspock.com/article/0,1510,5275,00.html> > Corine Deakin [c.deakin]> Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:58 PM> herbal remedies > Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed>>> I delivered a breech baby with no ceasar. The doctor should know how to> handle such a delivery.> The tric apparently is not touching the baby before his head is out as> touching him causes him to want to breath and then suffocates as> he is still> in.> Good luck.> Corinne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2002 Report Share Posted November 30, 2002 - Lisa Belcher herbal remedies Tuesday, November 26, 2002 1:53 PM Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed Sorry Anna, never heard of her. I'm in the UK, not USA, so maybe that is why. Lisa Hello Lisa, Sorry for the late reply. Haven't been on the computer for a few days. Wendy Savage was an English gynaecologist working in London. I was working in a London law firm at the time so managed to follow the development. My heart bled for her the way her professional reputation was brutally attacked. They seemed hellbend to destroy her despite the support of her patients. As I understood it, after the inquiry she went to work up North somewhere and I wonder if anyone could ever get over what happened if they were treated the way she was. Yes, she was exonerated - She won the battle but not the war. A kindly soul sent me the following link and I cut and paste the entry here for your convenience: > http://www.xrefer.com/entry/360665 About The Macmillan Dictionary of Women's Biographyfrom Macmillan Publishers Savage, Wendy (1935) English obstetrician and gynaecologist. Educated at Croydon School for Girls, Girton College and London Hospital Medical College, Wendy Savage has had a long and distinguished career practising and lecturing on obstetrics and gynaecology, including several years in Nigeria and Kenya in the 1960s. A champion of women's rights to choices in childbirth and fertility, her natural approach to delivering babies meant that she was suspended from her job as consultant gynaecologist at the London Hospital in 1985. This was in spite of the fact that examples of her alleged misconduct were actually refuted by her 'patients'. Savage fought her suspension and was eventually reinstated 15 months later after a six week public enquiry which rejected claims of her incompetence. Savage had taken on the male-dominated medical establishment and won. She was vindicated and became an inspiration to women doctors. She has published numerous scientific papers as well as several books which include Hysterectomy ( (1982)) and A Savage Enquiry: Who Controls Childbirth? ( (1986)). She has four children of her own. The Macmillan Dictionary of Women's Biography, © Jennifer S. Uglow 1999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2002 Report Share Posted December 1, 2002 Hi Anna, I've only been in England since 1995, so that's probably why I've not heard of this. There is an institute here now promoting natural child birth, so maybe things are changing here. I do know that hospital births are common here, whereas in The Netherlands (where I am from) home births are common. So there is a definite difference. Lisa - aldousanna herbal remedies Saturday, November 30, 2002 8:10 PM Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed - Lisa Belcher herbal remedies Tuesday, November 26, 2002 1:53 PM Re: [herbal remedies] urgent help needed Sorry Anna, never heard of her. I'm in the UK, not USA, so maybe that is why. Lisa Hello Lisa, Sorry for the late reply. Haven't been on the computer for a few days. Wendy Savage was an English gynaecologist working in London. I was working in a London law firm at the time so managed to follow the development. My heart bled for her the way her professional reputation was brutally attacked. They seemed hellbend to destroy her despite the support of her patients. As I understood it, after the inquiry she went to work up North somewhere and I wonder if anyone could ever get over what happened if they were treated the way she was. Yes, she was exonerated - She won the battle but not the war. A kindly soul sent me the following link and I cut and paste the entry here for your convenience: > http://www.xrefer.com/entry/360665 About The Macmillan Dictionary of Women's Biographyfrom Macmillan Publishers Savage, Wendy (1935) English obstetrician and gynaecologist. Educated at Croydon School for Girls, Girton College and London Hospital Medical College, Wendy Savage has had a long and distinguished career practising and lecturing on obstetrics and gynaecology, including several years in Nigeria and Kenya in the 1960s. A champion of women's rights to choices in childbirth and fertility, her natural approach to delivering babies meant that she was suspended from her job as consultant gynaecologist at the London Hospital in 1985. This was in spite of the fact that examples of her alleged misconduct were actually refuted by her 'patients'. Savage fought her suspension and was eventually reinstated 15 months later after a six week public enquiry which rejected claims of her incompetence. Savage had taken on the male-dominated medical establishment and won. She was vindicated and became an inspiration to women doctors. She has published numerous scientific papers as well as several books which include Hysterectomy ( (1982)) and A Savage Enquiry: Who Controls Childbirth? ( (1986)). She has four children of her own. The Macmillan Dictionary of Women's Biography, © Jennifer S. Uglow 1999 Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 hello group... well after a long time i have had the oppurtunity to hold a reunion class for my crystal students tomorrow (sunday). i was really hoping if any of u could give me any suggestion as to what i can do to make it more intresting and also what exercises should i make them do and also what extra info should i give them so that they will be eager to come again... i dont have much time so any suggestion or a plan or a schedule that u prepare and give me will be of great use... plz help me on this one grp... ishan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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