**To Richard** 6 levels for perverse energy

[Guest guest]

On one hand it might depend on where one's focus resides. For me - it is

resolution regardless how the perversity entered the being. To get it out and

allow the body to rebalance on it's own.

 

If we are talking perspectives....one can make a case for yang ming as well

as shao yang as the entry point. And if one focuses on entry then it becomes

important regarding treatment.

 

Let me say that I have observed closely..... two masters of OM during the

past 15 years.......and worked closely with both as they were friends. One is

still alive and like a step father to me even though he is only 8 years older.

He

is in fact, my mentor. To the point.....what i observed in these

masters...was that how they perceived was not as simple as which channel did

perverse

energy enter. With all due respect ......that is a linear way of analysis. These

masters and I have followed....perceive all differentiation systems

simultaneously. Or better said.....what is perceived by as many recepts as one

receives

stimuli for, in order to differentiate. The differentiation does not happen on

an analytical level. That happens only later if one cares to rationalize.

 

If you haven;t read the analysis of 'Yi Fa' commented on by Volker Scheid and

Dan Bensky (about 1-2 years ago) which was originally written about 600 years

ago - you should. Yi Fa translates to 'signification method'. It does not

mean 'intuition' and it does not mean 'psychic' yet it feels like them.

 

Regards,

Richard

 

> Richard,

> this leads to the other implication in my question: although we agree

> perverse energy can enter at any level and progress according to their

idiosyncrasy

> (and as u rightly say according to the geographic areas, season, symptom),

> one of the schools considers that yang ming should be considered as the

> pivotal layer between yang and ying, while the other considers it is shao

yang.

> And this has important implications, beyond the Shan han lun vision, on our

> understanding of how to conceive a treatment...

> regards

>

>

> acudoc11 wrote:

> Rather than following any particular school or potentially getting stuck in

> a

> limited thought pattern.......one is better off, especially in modern day

> society as mentioned about subclinical condition(s), to incorporate as many

> perspectives as possible. It wasn't so much that different schools were

> adopted

> because certain schools believed or thought differently....more of the

> differences happened because of different geographic areas and different

> signs/symptoms/patterns that presented and often in different seasons. Herbs

> as mentioned are

> basic, and might be great for some, but those deicisons should be left on an

>

> individual basis.

>

> As to the initial attack-in....that's exactly what was alluded to. Not

> always

> the same entry, not always the same progression....but more importantly,

> certainly not limited to only TWO ways. That's a result of poor

> teaching..... by

> not correctly and/or completely passing on appropriate information.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

richard

 

I'm only studying TCM but I think I understand what you are talking about,

this classically western " linear thinking " . I've observed a number of TCM

practitioners and I must say that Chinese and Western practitioners with an

extensive clinical experience find themselves very difficult to speak in

terms of levels, diagrams and the like when you ask them about it. One needs

some theoretical idea to understand the mechanisms of disease, but it seems

to be a " skill " either intuitive or psiquic that comes with experience to

recognise the pattern of disease without all the rationalisation. By the

way, could you please provide the details of the analysis of yi fa you

mentioned? it sounds like a very interesting piece to read.

 

Monica

 

 

>acudoc11

>acupuncture

>acupuncture

>Re: **To Richard** Re: acupuncture 6 levels for perverse energy

>Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:13:14 EDT

>

>On one hand it might depend on where one's focus resides. For me - it is

>resolution regardless how the perversity entered the being. To get it out

>and

>allow the body to rebalance on it's own.

>

>If we are talking perspectives....one can make a case for yang ming as well

>as shao yang as the entry point. And if one focuses on entry then it

>becomes

>important regarding treatment.

>

>Let me say that I have observed closely..... two masters of OM during the

>past 15 years.......and worked closely with both as they were friends. One

>is

>still alive and like a step father to me even though he is only 8 years

>older. He

>is in fact, my mentor. To the point.....what i observed in these

>masters...was that how they perceived was not as simple as which channel

>did perverse

>energy enter. With all due respect ......that is a linear way of analysis.

>These

>masters and I have followed....perceive all differentiation systems

>simultaneously. Or better said.....what is perceived by as many recepts as

>one receives

>stimuli for, in order to differentiate. The differentiation does not happen

>on

>an analytical level. That happens only later if one cares to rationalize.

>

>If you haven;t read the analysis of 'Yi Fa' commented on by Volker Scheid

>and

>Dan Bensky (about 1-2 years ago) which was originally written about 600

>years

>ago - you should. Yi Fa translates to 'signification method'. It does not

>mean 'intuition' and it does not mean 'psychic' yet it feels like them.

>

>Regards,

>Richard

>

> > Richard,

> > this leads to the other implication in my question: although we agree

> > perverse energy can enter at any level and progress according to their

>idiosyncrasy

> > (and as u rightly say according to the geographic areas, season,

>symptom),

> > one of the schools considers that yang ming should be considered as the

> > pivotal layer between yang and ying, while the other considers it is

>shao yang.

> > And this has important implications, beyond the Shan han lun vision, on

>our

> > understanding of how to conceive a treatment...

> > regards

> >

> >

> > acudoc11 wrote:

> > Rather than following any particular school or potentially getting stuck

>in

> > a

> > limited thought pattern.......one is better off, especially in modern

>day

> > society as mentioned about subclinical condition(s), to incorporate as

>many

> > perspectives as possible. It wasn't so much that different schools were

> > adopted

> > because certain schools believed or thought differently....more of the

> > differences happened because of different geographic areas and different

> > signs/symptoms/patterns that presented and often in different seasons.

>Herbs

> > as mentioned are

> > basic, and might be great for some, but those deicisons should be left

>on an

> >

> > individual basis.

> >

> > As to the initial attack-in....that's exactly what was alluded to. Not

> > always

> > the same entry, not always the same progression....but more importantly,

> > certainly not limited to only TWO ways. That's a result of poor

> > teaching..... by

> > not correctly and/or completely passing on appropriate information.

>

>

>

>