chevreul pendulum

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I am trying to help somebody get over the fear of being sick. She

had been to hypnotherapist and has 8 session but it did not work. I

was using EFT but we were struggiling to get it to work. The fear

started about 4 years ago. Anyway I knew the subconscious mind would

know the answer as to why the fear of being sick started.

 

I suggested she tried the chevreul pendulum method and see what she

could find out.

 

So far she has found out

 

The fear of being sick was caused by something her dad said to her

when she was 2 years old (why the fear only started when she was 19 I

don't know yet)

 

It had something to do with her mum being pregnant

 

There is also a connection with hospital (but it did not happen at

the hospital)

 

There is also a connection with sick people

 

When she tried to get the pendulum to spell out what her dad said to

her she got told no. She got told 1) it was too dangerous for her to

know and 2) she would not be able to handle it.

 

Anyway she done some more pendulum work tonight and finally got the

the pendulum to spell out what her dad said to her. It spelt out

 

" vasmtg a zqds xtxtu a mtecxhgck "

 

She asked if it was in code and it said no. She then asked if it was

the correct phrase of what her Dad told her and it said yes.

 

Now to me " vasmtg a zqds xtxtu a mtecxhgck " is oviously code?

 

Does anybody have any ideas as to what we can do next?

 

When we try EFT on the fear of bing sick it does not move. I have

mow fially got her to admit the she has a fear of dying. When she

told me 2 of the 8 parts of her fear of being sick was the fear of

chking and the fear of not being able to breatheI imdeiately though

this is a fear of dying. She said it wasn't but now says she does

have a fear of dying.

 

We are going to work on the fear of death in the next session but I

am a bit worried that the suds will not move again.

 

This is a related post

 

Sorry for this being so long but it will give you more of a background

 

Has anybody had any experiences where EFT just does not seem to work

sometimes?

 

No I know in EFT the rule is if it is not working then your not being

specific enough or you have not addressed the right root

issues/causes. However in my case I really don't think that is

happening.

 

I am helping a friend of a friend who has a fear of being sick. She

told me she was an EFT scptic but was desperate and willing to try

anything. I have been helping her via Skype PC Telephone. The fear

about being sick has got a lot worse in the last 6 months. I have

been working with her since about 10 days ago. I work with her about

every 3 days.

 

The fear of being sick (vomiting) controls her life, she won't eat

food she has not cooked herself in case it makes her sick, she

worries for 48 hours after coming into contact with people who are or

who have recently been sick as she has read it can take up to 48

hours for you to feel ill if you have caught something from somebody

who is ill, won't drink alcohol etc. She goes to extreme lengths to

avoid being sick.

 

No I surmised it would be best attacking the fear of being sick as

things like having a fear of eating food she has not cooked herself

would collapse along with the fear of being sick. If you have no

fear of being sick why would you worry about eating food you have not

cooked yourself? The only reason she worries about eating food she

has not cooked herself is in case it makes her sick.

 

As a first test for things we worked out what her fear of being sick

was all about and discovered things like.

 

Fear of gagging

Fear of what sick tastes like

Fear of not being able to breathe and be sick at the same time

Fear of chocking to death

Fear of what sick looks like

etc

 

When we tried tapping on those issues nothing would move. Apart from

one thing where the SUDS went from a 9 to an 8 the SUDS stayed the

same on everything. Even the one thing that did move from a 9 to an

8 would not move down any further.

 

I then changed tact and decided to see if there was any limiting

beliefs in the way (writings on the wall). Things such as I will

always have this fear of being sick, I don't deserve to end this fear

of being sick, its not safe to give this up, do you think EFT will

work for you etc. I also looked for any possible reasons why having

this fear of sick might be useful in anyway. I did not find

anything.

 

We then worked on 2 memories associated with the fear of being sick

(she said she only has 2). One from the age of 8 and one from 4

years ago. She could not manage the movie technique as she was not

very visual but that did not really matter. There was a lot of stuff

to work on concerning herself and others involved in the 2 memories.

Things such as anger, disappointment, fear etc The EFT was working on

something's and not on others. When I say it was working on

something's and something's would not budge even on the things it was

working on the SUDS would only go down a little say from a 6 to a 4

(I have done so many things now that I forget what would and would

not budge). I tried everything I could think of, usual EFT

statements, being more specific, choices method, argument tapping

etc.

 

I know sometimes EFT does not always work straight away for some

people and they may not feel the benefits until some time later. I

suggested to her maybe this is what was happening and she was just

having a delayed reaction to the benefits of EFT. We ended it there

and set up the next EFT session.

 

When we had the next EFT session I found out I was right, that she

did have a delayed reaction to some of the things we worked on but

again for something's the SUDS had not moved at all. She had now

lost the anger towards her dad for the incident when she was 8 years

old. She told me she was feeling sick the other night and rang her

dad up for chat. She told me before EFT she would never have done

that. I thought to myself " Great progress at last. Hopefully you

can now see how EFT can help you end your fear of being sick "

 

So we then done some more tapping. Again in this session we were

getting a lot of things the EFT was not working on. I again wondered

if I wasn't being specific enough or missing the core issues related

to what we where working on. I was sure something else was going

on. I again tried asking about any limiting beliefs. Again I found

nothing. We decided to leave it there and try again in a few days.

Just before we finished she said she had a question to ask me. She

said because things did not seem to be happening for her she wondered

if it might be energy toxins in the way. She told me she had been

reading the EFT website and read about energy toxins blocking the way

of EFT working. I said I don't think that was it but it was

certainly possible and it would be good to rule that out. I showed

her a way of self muscle testing for energy toxins and allergies.

She picked this up very quickly.

 

 

I got an e-mail from her 2 days later and she told me she found the

muscles testing very interesting. She said she knew she had an

allergy to dust and muscles tested herself for that. She got a

positive result for being allergic to dust. She then worked on her

allergy to dust. The EFT worked for the dust allergy and she told me

she no longer has a problem with dust in anyway. I thought to

myself " Great you now know EFT works. You have seen and felt it get

rid of you dust allergy " . I thought " Psychologically this should be

very helpful as you have now experienced EFT working " She was so

pleased with the way EFT got rid of her dust allergy she started self

muscle testing for other allergies and energy toxins. She was

pleased to report back to me that she got rid of about 7 allergies

and there was no energy toxins in her house stopping EFT from

working.

 

 

I then got another e-mail which said 2 things had suddenly come in

her thoughts. She felt that her fear of being sick was based more

around the fear of not being able to breathe whilst being sick. Also

it was not safe to give up the fear of not being able to breathe when

being sick as giving up the fear of not being able to breathe when

being sick would mean if she ever has to be sick then she would not

be able to breathe. So basically she is convinced that if she gives

up the fear of not being able to breathe when being sick then she

won't be able to breathe when being sick. I have to be honest and

say I was bit miffed about the not feeling safe as when I was

checking for limiting beliefs I had asked numerous times if it she

thought it was safe to end her fears.

 

I quickly realised the feeling its not safe to give up the fear was a

very core issue and a massive limiting belief. Also the thought that

the thought she had that if she gave up the fear of not being able to

breathe when being sick it would mean if she ever has to be sick then

she would not be able to breathe was also a very core issue and a

massive limiting belief.

 

We than had another session last night. I was fully prepared to

tackle the belief that it is not safe to give up this fear of being

sick and giving up the fear means she won't be able to breathe when

being sick.

 

At the start of the session I asked her on a conscious level if she

wanted to stop the fear of not being able to breathe when being sick

and if she thought it was safe. Her conscious thinking told me that

yes she wanted to stop the fear but she still thought it was unsafe

to do so. I asked her to muscle test herself and see what the

subconscious mind thought about it all. The subconscious mind agreed

with the conscious mind in that it was not safe to give up the fear

of not being able to breathe when being sick but it also gave a

positive result in not wanting to give up the fear of being sick.

 

So on a conscious level we had

 

I WANT to give up the fear of not being able to breathe when being

sick

It is NOT safe to give up my fear of being sick as that means if I am

ever sick then I won't be able to breathe

 

On a subconscious level we had

 

I DON'T want to give up the fear of not being able to breathe when

being sick

It is NOT safe to give up my fear of being sick

 

 

So we then done some more tapping. We done usual statements, being

more specific, choices method, argument tapping etc.

 

After the tapping we had good results. Both the subconscious and the

conscious mind now wanted to end the fear of not being able to

breathe when being sick. However although she now tested strong with

muscle testing on it is safe to end the fear of not being able to

breathe when being sick on a conscious level she still thinks

that " It is not safe to give up my fear of being sick as that means

if I am ever sick then I won't be able to breathe "

 

So we now had on a conscious level

 

I WANT to give up the fear of not being able to breathe when being

sick

It is not safe to give up my fear of being sick as that means if I am

ever sick then I won't be able to breathe

 

On a subconscious level we had

 

I WANT to give up the fear of not being able to breathe when being

sick

It IS safe to give up my fear of being sick

 

As we now had the subconscious mind feeling it was safe to do so and

also wanting to end the fear of not being able to breathe when being

sick I tried to tap for the fear of not being able to breathe when

being sick.

 

I asked for a SUDS rating on the fear of not being able to breathe

when being sick and she said 4. We tried tapping on it and it would

not move to below 4. I tried everything on it.

 

We then decided to call it a day again. Now I realise the reason the

fear of not being able to breathe when being sick would not move from

a SUDS of 4 is possibly because on a conscious level she still

believes " if I let got of my fear of not being able to breathe when

being sick then if I am ever sick in the future I won't be able to

breathe as I am being sick " .

 

Now after reading what I have typed so far you may be thinking that I

am not getting the statements correct or not getting the true core

issues but I don't believe that is true

 

The reason I think that is not true is that even simple things like

guilt fail to be moved by EFT. She mentioned during the last session

she felt guilty that her fear of not eating food she has not cooked

herself was stopping her taking her mum out for a meal on Mothers

day. I asked for a SUD level and she said 7. We done a round of

tapping and still a SUD of 7. We then done more rounds and tried

using choices method and argument tapping. Still the guilt was at a

7. Then I suddenly noticed something.

 

(I may be wrong on this and I apologise to her in advance) The thing

I suddenly noticed is that after each round of tapping when I asked

her what the SUDS rating was now she seemed to sound very proud in

her voice when she told me that it was still at a 7. It was a bit

like she was very smug with herself. We would do a round of tapping

on the guilt she felt for not taking her mum out for a meal on

Mothers day. Then I would ask her what it was now and without

thinking about it too long and in a nano second she would say still a

7. Now again she may have been having a delayed reaction to the EFT

working but there was certain smugness in her voice when she told me

it was still at a 7. It felt like she was challenging me and proud

that I was failing. I quickly realised she sounds this way when she

tells me the SUDS rating for all the things EFT has not worked on.

 

I know from her success with allergies such as dust that she knows

EFT does work. She told me herself she no longer has any problems

whatsoever with dust. So on a psychological level she knows EFT

works.

 

Another example when EFT has not worked is I asked where what she

felt in her body when she thinks about the fear of not being able to

breathe when being sick? She told me her breathing gets quicker and

her heart beats faster. Again EFT failed to help on both of these

issues.

 

I just don't understand my the SUDS on some issues will not budge. I

am 99.9% certain it is not the statements as I have tried

everything. I know there are no energy toxins are in the way. As I

have said it sometimes on things that should be easy for EFT to work

on that the SUDS will not move.

 

So back to my original question has anybody else come across people

who EFT doesn't seem to work for?

Maybe she doesn't want it to work?

Does anybody think I have been tackling all this wrong and I am

missing the core issues?

Does anybody have any suggestions as to what to try?

 

If anybody is willing read what we have tapped for so far and see if

they can spot what I am missing I would be most grateful. I have

most of it saved to Microsoft Word. It should give you a fair idea

as to how we have tackled things so far. We have spent a lot of

hours on this I feel I am getting nowhere.

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Hello, I am thinking that your client is suffering from cell memory from a past life experience. Is there a way to test for this theory? Karen

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