'if you could choose only one' is a very LIMITING question for action

[Guest guest]

Great post, Barbara Ann!

 

And as to which set to START with? I'm not sure what he means by Covert

Hypnosis? Is that the Lost And Forgotten Teachings Of Hypnosis To Get What You

Want From Yourself And From Others? Or is it Covert Influence?

 

Different skills covered in each of those, and different skills covered in Speed

Reading The Opposition.

 

Speed Reading the Opposition goes over the Driver Meta Programs and how to

elicit and use them.

 

Lost and Forgotten Teachings of Hypnosis To Get What You Want From Yourself And

From Others goes over locations for things, writings on people's walls (inside

their mind), the Chinese Elements and the meta programs that go with them, along

with how to spot them from conversational methods and from posture / movement.

 

I've posted several times on them, and also on the Covert Influence videos.

 

A search in the archive will give lots of details about each of those AWESOME

courses.

 

I've got to get back to work -- I have a bunch of CD's and DVD's to get

duplicated and shipped out.

 

Let me just say before I go that I REALLY appreciate Doc's recent 2 day seminar

and his 2 hour class that he did at the Huna Convention.

 

Thank you, Doc, for the pointers on how to keep skills sharp after a seminar,

the ways to " sharpen your knife " without others interfering with their beliefs

about what's possible, the real awesome things you shared with me at Denny's and

at Dairy Queen, the induction in front of the classroom where the things you had

me go through will keep me busy for some time now doing what I need to get done.

 

I know that at first I was hesitant about going to the Convention, because I

have lots of orders to fill, and I wasn't going to be able to take my computer

with me, and I had just gotten back from a FOUR day seminar with Doc.

 

I'm sure glad I went anyway!

 

I can hardly believe the way Doc used COVERT TIMELINES -- using some of the most

brilliant language patterns (it was funny watching others " trying " to copy the

high level skills Doc did so easily!) -- to install resources and do covert

change work.

 

I can't wait to get the DVD's so I can transcribe that part and re-write it with

content that's important for me to learn.

 

How can anyone suggest to just pick " one " of Doc's courses? Hell, I have almost

all of the ones that he's released to the public. I wouldn't give up or trade

ANY of them!

 

Pick something that's important for you to learn, start there, and add to your

skills as you grow!

 

I'll get back later with more of the awesome things Doc covered at the

Convention. His skills are light years beyond other trainers. So as you learn

the actual drills he taught, it might also be a darn good idea to go back and

notice HOW he does what he does.

 

There's so much more to the learnings Doc shares than just the " break up into

groups of three and do X... "

 

Like the guy who USED TO BE afraid of being in front of groups of people, and

Doc covertly FIXED it in front of the class in just a few seconds...

 

I wonder how else you can u se that?!?!?! I can't wait to get my grubby little

paws on those videos so I can transcribe that section word for word, gesture for

gesture, thought form for thought form!!!

 

Anyways, I have to get back to work! Lots of CD's to ship out since I've been

out of town.

 

I've only covered a drop in the bucket of what we learned from Doc...

 

Maybe I'll have time to share more later.

 

Thanks DOC!!!!

 

Sincerely,

Jim

 

 

 

 

>barbara101ann <barbara101ann

>Jul 25, 2006 6:09 PM

>

> 'if you could choose only one' is a

very LIMITING question for action

>

> , " Jim "

><jim_rapson wrote:

>>

>> I have a goal(among many) which is to persuade others using enhanced

>> verbal and nonverbal skills.

>>

>>

>> if one could ONLY choose from ONE from the following: Doc's Covert

>> Hypnosis and Doc's How to Speedread the Opposition, which one will

>> more enable a person to better recognize people's metaprograms and

>> their accompanying physiology and utilizing that info, take thier

>> persuasion up some levels

>

>Hi Jim, When you start with an inaccurate premise, anything else that follows

is also inaccurate, except for twice a day when even a stopped clock is

accidentally accurate.

>

>Why not change your question to, " where to start? "

>

>You might then find many more effective possibilities.

>

>Both are great and different. Both take much study. Both aare really

>worth much more than Doc chooses to charge.

>

>Barbara Ann

>

>> opinions appreciated

>>

>> Jim

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

" barbara101ann " <barbara101ann wrote:

>

> , " Jim "

> <jim_rapson@> wrote:

> >

> > I have a goal(among many) which is to persuade others using

enhanced

> > verbal and nonverbal skills.

> >

> >

> > if one could ONLY choose from ONE from the following: Doc's Covert

> > Hypnosis and Doc's How to Speedread the Opposition, which one will

> > more enable a person to better recognize people's metaprograms and

> > their accompanying physiology and utilizing that info, take thier

> > persuasion up some levels

>

> Hi Jim, When you start with an inaccurate premise, anything else

that follows is also inaccurate, except for twice a day when even a

stopped clock is accidentally accurate.

>

> Why not change your question to, " where to start? "

>

> You might then find many more effective possibilities.

>

> Both are great and different. Both take much study. Both aare really

> worth much more than Doc chooses to charge.

>

> Barbara Ann

>

> > opinions appreciated

> >

> > Jim

> >

>

 

 

Barbara,

 

Respectfully, this is just like asking people who took Richard

Bandlers Master Practitioner and Persuasion Engineering to make a

recommendation as to which course would be the better one given their

specific outcome(or as I suspect as Doc would say, " what is their

segment intending). particularly when they have limited funds

 

In my case, I have no doubt that both of Doc's products are great but

I don't have the $$$ for both and since I don't know the content on

both I have to rely on others recommendations

 

I also suspect you are confusing " accuracy " with limitation.in this

case I'm limited by funds....FOR NOW

 

changing the question to " where to start? " is just semantics becuase

it still presupposes a choice will to be made. and " effective

possibilities " are in practice often impacted by " reality " contraints

i.e limited funds in this case

 

Jim

[Guest guest]

, " Jim "

<jim_rapson wrote:

>

> ,

> " barbara101ann " <barbara101ann@> wrote:

> >

> > , " Jim "

> > <jim_rapson@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I have a goal(among many) which is to persuade others using

> enhanced

> > > verbal and nonverbal skills.

> > >

> > >

> > > if one could ONLY choose from ONE from the following: Doc's

Covert

> > > Hypnosis and Doc's How to Speedread the Opposition, which one

will

> > > more enable a person to better recognize people's metaprograms

and

> > > their accompanying physiology and utilizing that info, take

thier

> > > persuasion up some levels

> >

> > Hi Jim, When you start with an inaccurate premise, anything else

> that follows is also inaccurate, except for twice a day when even

a

> stopped clock is accidentally accurate.

> >

> > Why not change your question to, " where to start? "

> >

> > You might then find many more effective possibilities.

> >

> > Both are great and different. Both take much study. Both aare

really

> > worth much more than Doc chooses to charge.

> >

> > Barbara Ann

> >

> > > opinions appreciated

> > >

> > > Jim

> > >

> >

>

>

> Barbara,

>

> Respectfully, this is just like asking people who took Richard

> Bandlers Master Practitioner and Persuasion Engineering to make a

> recommendation as to which course would be the better one given

their

> specific outcome(or as I suspect as Doc would say, " what is their

> segment intending). particularly when they have limited funds

>

> In my case, I have no doubt that both of Doc's products are great

but

> I don't have the $$$ for both and since I don't know the content

on both I have to rely on others recommendations

>

> I also suspect you are confusing " accuracy " with limitation.in

>this case I'm limited by funds....FOR NOW

 

Not so. In your mind there is one solution, either X or Y. In my

mind there are many solutions. When you presupposed a 'which is

best' construct it limits all the other possible constructs.

 

> changing the question to " where to start? " is just semantics

becuase

> it still presupposes a choice will to be made.

 

You are sorting by 'sameness', which does not mean that 'sameness'

is accurate. It just means that 'sameness' is 'sameness'.

 

When you sort your decisions and your choices by some other meta

program, you will get more solutions.

 

Some people sort their decisions in 'sequences'. They need to know

what to do first, what to do second, what to do their, etc.

 

That means they get the first sequence that is necessary to their

skill acquisition first. Then then get the next product that is

necessary to their skill acquisition, second. etc.

 

> and " effective possibilities " are in practice often impacted

>by " reality " contraints i.e limited funds in this case

 

In the past whenever I find someone that talks about 'reality', they

are normally all negative thinkers, the ones that look at the gas

guage as half empty, rather than half full. They look at what they

can't do, and then decide to do nothing. Or if they decide to do

anything it is after much fear, hesitation and examining all the

reasons why it won't work for them. So, anyone that started with

them can run the same race 100 times faster.

 

Have fun with your life.

hugs and kisses, Barbara Ann

ps. get Doc's " Secrets of Speed REading the Opposition " first. And,

I won't tell you 'why it is important' you do it that way.

 

> Jim

>

[Guest guest]

,

" barbara101ann " <barbara101ann wrote:

>

> , " Jim "

> <jim_rapson@> wrote:

> >

> > ,

> > " barbara101ann " <barbara101ann@> wrote:

> > >

> > > , " Jim "

> > > <jim_rapson@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I have a goal(among many) which is to persuade others using

> > enhanced

> > > > verbal and nonverbal skills.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > if one could ONLY choose from ONE from the following: Doc's

> Covert

> > > > Hypnosis and Doc's How to Speedread the Opposition, which one

> will

> > > > more enable a person to better recognize people's

metaprograms

> and

> > > > their accompanying physiology and utilizing that info, take

> thier

> > > > persuasion up some levels

> > >

> > > Hi Jim, When you start with an inaccurate premise, anything

else

> > that follows is also inaccurate, except for twice a day when even

> a

> > stopped clock is accidentally accurate.

> > >

> > > Why not change your question to, " where to start? "

> > >

> > > You might then find many more effective possibilities.

> > >

> > > Both are great and different. Both take much study. Both aare

> really

> > > worth much more than Doc chooses to charge.

> > >

> > > Barbara Ann

> > >

> > > > opinions appreciated

> > > >

> > > > Jim

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > Barbara,

> >

> > Respectfully, this is just like asking people who took Richard

> > Bandlers Master Practitioner and Persuasion Engineering to make a

> > recommendation as to which course would be the better one given

> their

> > specific outcome(or as I suspect as Doc would say, " what is their

> > segment intending). particularly when they have limited funds

> >

> > In my case, I have no doubt that both of Doc's products are great

> but

> > I don't have the $$$ for both and since I don't know the content

> on both I have to rely on others recommendations

> >

> > I also suspect you are confusing " accuracy " with limitation.in

> >this case I'm limited by funds....FOR NOW

>

> Not so. In your mind there is one solution, either X or Y. In my

> mind there are many solutions. When you presupposed a 'which is

> best' construct it limits all the other possible constructs.

>

 

> > changing the question to " where to start? " is just semantics

> becuase

> > it still presupposes a choice will to be made.

>

> You are sorting by 'sameness', which does not mean that 'sameness'

> is accurate. It just means that 'sameness' is 'sameness'.

>

 

> When you sort your decisions and your choices by some other meta

> program, you will get more solutions.

>

 

> Some people sort their decisions in 'sequences'. They need to know

> what to do first, what to do second, what to do their, etc.

>

> That means they get the first sequence that is necessary to their

> skill acquisition first. Then then get the next product that is

> necessary to their skill acquisition, second. etc.

>

 

 

a car and a plane will both get me to destination X. and they both

have their advantage and disadvantages. but in this example I know

enough about both(transport by car and plane) to make an informed

decision. in the case of Doc's products I don't so I have to rely on

recommendations. all metaprograms aside, you can claim my

desicionmaking is " limited " by constructs all you want, but in

practice all you're offering is a less than helpfull critique of my

decisionmaking,and without due respect for it.while you may be well

intentioned you are in effect just mismatching me(deliberately or

otherwise).

 

 

> > and " effective possibilities " are in practice often impacted

> >by " reality " contraints i.e limited funds in this case

>

> In the past whenever I find someone that talks about 'reality',

they

> are normally all negative thinkers, the ones that look at the gas

> guage as half empty, rather than half full. They look at what they

> can't do, and then decide to do nothing. Or if they decide to do

> anything it is after much fear, hesitation and examining all the

> reasons why it won't work for them. So, anyone that started with

> them can run the same race 100 times faster.

 

I guess someone will have to tell you I was referring to reality

constraints in this context not " reality " as a whole. and gee I'd

hate to think I was just like " all " negative thinkers. and then there

are those " thinkers " who'd rather mismatch someone than.....

 

Jim

>

> Have fun with your life.

> hugs and kisses, Barbara Ann

> ps. get Doc's " Secrets of Speed REading the Opposition " first.

And,

> I won't tell you 'why it is important' you do it that way.

>

> > Jim

> >

>