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In a message dated 9/7/05 4:01:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sandygodheart writes:

 

 

I suggest you adopt a mindset of blessing something at least 3 times a

day, a be sure they are different things.

 

 

 

Sandy:

 

I will admit that I am your biggest critic, and was going to respond to your posts in MindMastery Essentials and Manifestation Mastery groups with negative and probably sarcastic remarks. Something to the notion that if you think that you help others with your put downs and sarcasm, and that the three people that you think who agree with you, really do not need your input to learn anything; they already know what it is that you are trying to "teach," etc., etc. etc. But after reading this very thoughtful and very helpful post, I decided not to bother to write on the other lists.

 

It is quite apparent that you are brilliant, and unfortunately your brilliance does not really inspire a lot of folks who could actually be helped by you, but rather, they apparently feel insulted and angry. I doubt that they will take any action or take anything that you say in a way that would probably be helpful to them and to those whose lives that they might touch, in turn.

 

So I just want to say that the current post was something that I know that folks can incorporate into their lives (me)......and I thank you for that, and sure hope that your delivery methods can be more of this nature, rather than the way that you have been generally communicating on here. I think your humour and knowledge is lost on most of us, who could learn something from you. Those that do "get" you, can marvel at your command of your skills, but hardly need it, since they seem to operate on your skill level and higher. They probably are the few who can appreciate your skills, while the rest of us, who are still not on par with you, just find your way of communicating abrasive and irritating.

 

I know (yes I am mind reading), that your intent is probably to teach and inspire and move folks to action, and I would ask, do you really think that is what is happening, for the most part?

 

Well, anyway, thanks for the pleasant (and helpful) post. THAT inspires someone like me to action.

 

Paulina

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In a message dated 9/7/05 8:28:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gdradke writes:

 

 

Have you ever noticed that sometimes the people you truly do care about the most refuse to accept your help? In fact, they just are not ready for it. Not now, any how. And even though we may know it subconsciously, we just must "get it off our chest" and do our dandiest to help them out. Of course it may not help them at all, be we sure feel better... don't we?

 

 

I certainly have been guilty of wanting very much to help someone, who didn't ask for my help, and through trial and error and feedback (not to mention getting my feelings hurt), have backed off, or changed my tactic in some way. After all what is one definition of insanity? Doing the same thing, expecting a different results, no?

 

 

So do you believe you can learn skills beyond your current level? If so, how would you? Now, we all started at "not knowing we don't know..." didn't we? Or were some of us born able to speak and act from day one? We all are capable of learning. Even someone like myself.

 

Oh I am quite aware that I don't know a heck of a lot, and so try to learn from folks who are more knowledgeable than I am, whether through these posts, seminars, CD's, books tapes, and of course personal interactions.

 

 

Did you learn something about yourself in writing your "tempered" response, only to this list? Do you think you could convey the information that you did learn in Doc's earlier post to others like yourself, who see the world in a different light? So if only ONE person gets it, but they can share and teach in a different way... would that be USEFUL to know?

 

 

My initial response to Sandy's post (as to most of her posts), was to become angry at the way that I perceived her attacking others, and then reading some of the offended peoples' response, echoing my own sentiment. She has the right and the privilege to say what and how she wants (within Doc's parameters). I guess I have some insane quality in me that hates to see people's feelings get hurt, by what appears as someone's ego trip. By reading the post that I found very helpful by Sandy, I came to understand that her motive may not be one of ego gratification, but one of possible compassion for other's pain. I tempered my post when I realized that, and was guilty of throwing the baby out with the bath water, so to speak....meaning that I discarded her message because I found her methods of delivering it, offensive.

 

 

So as you KNOW that you feel truly INSPIRED, how will you speak your mind more often... and act to show others some gold nuggets of knowledge that may be hidden in the rugged old rocks...

 

 

I will speak my mind, as I always do....honestly and with words that represent my thinking and feeling, and if I am asked, I will share what I have learned along the way. Unfortunately, "gold nuggets" which are wrapped in hurtful language, sarcasm, and offensive tone will, in all likelihood, continue to be kicked to the curb.

 

Paulina

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Paulina, Sandy,

 

Have you ever noticed that sometimes the people you truly do care about the most refuse to accept your help? In fact, they just are not ready for it. Not now, any how. And even though we may know it subconsciously, we just must "get it off our chest" and do our dandiest to help them out. Of course it may not help them at all, be we sure feel better... don't we?

 

So do you believe you can learn skills beyond your current level? If so, how would you? Now, we all started at "not knowing we don't know..." didn't we? Or were some of us born able to speak and act from day one? We all are capable of learning. Even someone like myself.

 

Did you learn something about yourself in writing your "tempered" response, only to this list? Do you think you could convey the information that you did learn in Doc's earlier post to others like yourself, who see the world in a different light? So if only ONE person gets it, but they can share and teach in a different way... would that be USEFUL to know?

 

So as you KNOW that you feel truly INSPIRED, how will you speak your mind more often... and act to show others some gold nuggets of knowledge that may be hidden in the rugged old rocks...

 

Just curious...

Greg R.

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Pandora51Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:23 AM Subject: Re: You are accidentally setting up attract...

In a message dated 9/7/05 4:01:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sandygodheart writes:

I suggest you adopt a mindset of blessing something at least 3 times a day, a be sure they are different things.Sandy: I will admit that I am your biggest critic, and was going to respond to your posts in MindMastery Essentials and Manifestation Mastery groups with negative and probably sarcastic remarks. Something to the notion that if you think that you help others with your put downs and sarcasm, and that the three people that you think who agree with you, really do not need your input to learn anything; they already know what it is that you are trying to "teach," etc., etc. etc. But after reading this very thoughtful and very helpful post, I decided not to bother to write on the other lists.It is quite apparent that you are brilliant, and unfortunately your brilliance does not really inspire a lot of folks who could actually be helped by you, but rather, they apparently feel insulted and angry. I doubt that they will take any action or take anything that you say in a way that would probably be helpful to them and to those whose lives that they might touch, in turn.So I just want to say that the current post was something that I know that folks can incorporate into their lives (me)......and I thank you for that, and sure hope that your delivery methods can be more of this nature, rather than the way that you have been generally communicating on here. I think your humour and knowledge is lost on most of us, who could learn something from you. Those that do "get" you, can marvel at your command of your skills, but hardly need it, since they seem to operate on your skill level and higher. They probably are the few who can appreciate your skills, while the rest of us, who are still not on par with you, just find your way of communicating abrasive and irritating.I know (yes I am mind reading), that your intent is probably to teach and inspire and move folks to action, and I would ask, do you really think that is what is happening, for the most part?Well, anyway, thanks for the pleasant (and helpful) post. THAT inspires someone like me to action.Paulina

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Pandora51@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/7/05 8:28:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

gdradke

 

> My initial response to Sandy's post (as to most of her posts), was

to become

> angry at the way that I perceived her attacking others, and then

reading some

> of the offended peoples' response, echoing my own sentiment. She

has the

> right and the privilege to say what and how she wants (within

Doc's parameters). I

> guess I have some insane quality in me that hates to see people's

feelings

> get hurt, by what appears as someone's ego trip. By reading the

post that I

> found very helpful by Sandy, I came to understand that her motive

may not be one

> of ego gratification, but one of possible compassion for other's

pain. I

> tempered my post when I realized that, and was guilty of throwing

the baby out

> with the bath water, so to speak....meaning that I discarded her

message because

> I found her methods of delivering it, offensive.

>

>  

> So as you KNOW that you feel truly INSPIRED, how will you speak

your mind

> more often... and act to show others some gold nuggets of

knowledge that may be

> hidden in the rugged old rocks...

>  

>

> I will speak my mind, as I always do....honestly and with words

that

> represent my thinking and feeling, and if I am asked, I will share

what I have learned

> along the way. Unfortunately, " gold nuggets " which are wrapped in

hurtful

> language, sarcasm, and offensive tone will, in all likelihood,

continue to be

> kicked to the curb.

>

> Paulina

 

Ive seen you say stuff like this a couple of times and label Sandy's

posts as 'offensive'. To this I must ask: Offensive to who? To you?

What makes it offensive? How do you know its offensive? As you may

well know the map is never the territory and what may be offensive

to you may be eye opening and a breath of fresh air to another. So

why the need to chastice anothers writing and speaking style?

 

The reason I ask is because I personally enjoy Sandy's posts and

always make sure to read everything she posts. She (along with Jimmy

and others) is one of the smartest people Ive heard speak and her

posts make it clear that she is one of Docs best students. I mean

jeez, her post where she wrote about doing things at Theta and how

it relates to manifestation(The post where she writes " A better way

to do this is... " may times throughout) is one of the best posts Ive

ever read. It gives you detailed, step by step instructions on how

to manifest properly. I mean who else offers you that kind of info

and guidance for free?

 

Does she post alot like Doc? YES. Does Doc also get grief from

people on other lists who DONT want to grow and prefer to be tied

down to their faulty beliefs and most of all cant take the heat?

YES. But is he a hell of a teacher that gets shit done? YES. So in

my opinion modeling the way Doc posts is a pretty good idea if what

you seek is to convince and persuade properly.

 

Regarding her posts I must ask: Do you know about break states?

Language patterns and overall nlp stuff? The reason I ask this is

because Sandy's posts (as well as Docs and others) are usually

written in many levels, and if you dont really know much about nlp

(as was my case a couple of yrs ago) then I can see why you might

take alot of what she says as being rude.

 

Anyways, I was just wondering as Ive seen you post a couple of times

about this and since well Ive talked to you thru other posts and

feel comfortable asking you...