in my world angels set-us-up for tough learning experiences...

[Guest guest]

, " William Leigh "

<william4x5 wrote:

 

> Been seeing more of an evolution toward an ethereal sense of >reality than a

Superman paradigm of reality.

 

Hi William.

 

I've no clue what you 'believe' you've seen.

 

Especially since what we 'see' is based upon what we 'think we will see', and

NEVER upon what is really there.

 

> My immediate feelings of telekinesis, levitation and or other super >human

powers seems like trying way to hard to control ones reality.

 

Your feelings?

 

Don't you know that feelings are normally anchors of previously learned

emotions, and in most people have VIRTUALLY NO REALITY outside of the other

emoting?

 

> It seems much easier to evolve into a being of light.

 

According to whom?

 

According to Edgar Cayce we all need to evolve THROUGH EVERY THING as did JC on

his path of returning to the source.

 

There is NO easy way...but there are ways that take persistence and

perserverence. You also need a lot of feedback.

 

In fact it happened time and time again until he got it.

 

Sort of like learning how to ride a bicycle.

 

The skinned knees and elbows are just part of learning the skill you wish to

know.

 

Practice, my son, practice.

 

Then feedback to see if you are getting to where you want to go.

 

>OK that sounded korney. But the idea is that it is much easier to >walk

through walls than blow them apart.

 

It seems to me that you are mixing up the realities between the objective world

and the subjective worlds.

 

In the dream state we can walk through walls.

 

In the physical body, it would hurt us. Try it and verify for self if you wish.

 

> I have a friend that spent many hours working with the copper >looking glass

that Ingo talked about.

 

It's the COPPER WALL and it was developed and taught by certain Adepts and

written up by Sinnet on how-to-do it and make in around the turn of the century

in the Mahatma Papers.

 

And to USE IT properly does take time, persistence, and following proper

procedures.

 

Dr. Elmer Green built one in Menninger Institude and they did much

experimentation with it. I've all the materials ancient and new.

 

And I do have a COPPER WALL (that I built) and I use it five times a

week...sometimes several times a day when I do my one-on-ones with special

clients.

 

>He stated that after a session he had the experience of taking a >shower where

the water just went through him. Neat!

 

Yes, the COPPER WALL is for training certain senses in a manner that the sensory

apparatus is disconnected from other (many of them) energy intrusions.

 

You still NEED TO LEARN AND USE the trance states of theta. You still need to

know what you want as far as IDEALS. You still need to know know to open up your

awareness in such a way that what comes in is guided by YOUR INTENTIONS.

 

It is NOT a simple, easy way as you presuppose.

 

Sorry.

 

> Obviously this experience is difficult to validate, but it seems to >hold some

continuity with the little that I have read about Ingo >Swann and his experience

with Lucidity. That sense of life >dissolving into a much more ethereal

experience of the flows of >energy.

 

What does this mean?

 

You seem to have missed MOST of what Ingo Swann experienced and wrote VERY

CLEARLY ABOUT.

 

> Further more, I feel that in both cases there was a feeling of >having an

experience a little more than they were ready for.

 

If you don't get more than you are ready for, then you do NOT get enough.

 

When anyone remains in their 'comfort zone' they are dying and not evolving.

 

Learning experiences are NEVER in the comfort zone.

 

Learning is NEVER easy.

 

It's like walking 5 miles to town. Not easy but simple to do. Face town. Start

walking and keep walking until you get there.

 

Sorry.

 

> My feeling is that there seemed to be a lack of compassion.

 

Why are you relying on 'feeling's' for any type of external antenna for

calibration?

 

It's the LEAST EFFECTIVE of all the senses, and in fact is NOT a sense by a

RESULT of other senses past, present and future.

 

What do you mean by compassion?

 

The short version of 'compassion' is really NOT effective.

 

The long version of 'compassion' can be much MORE effective.

 

ie. Hot stove. Child walks up to hot stove and starts to touch it. You tell the

child, " it's hot " , then you touch it and act startled and snap your hand back as

you grin and say, " it's hot " . The child sees and notices. So it touchs the hot

stove, and snatchs his hand back. So the child learns calibration and NOT fear.

 

A good idea, right?

 

>Not the little compassion of caring for a lost kitty, but the >completely open

heart compassion that you would expect from an angel >enjoying the human drama

of life.

 

Well in my world angels set-us-up for tough learning experiences so we do EVOLVE

and learn our comfort zones behind.

 

I think we have some different paradigms.

 

You want an angel to do it for you and to protect you.

 

It's NOT that way no matter how we wish it to be.

 

On planet Earth we are given lessons of LEARNING.

 

Just like the woman who have cancer, and it was NOT cured by someone else...

 

....but she went to someone who know what to do and that lady was TAUGHT TO DO

WHAT WAS NECESSARY to clear that negative energy.

 

Then she did the drills and in three weeks at her next MD visit no cancer

existed.

 

John La Tourrette, PhD

[Guest guest]

Doc,Very interesting comments on feelings...so how does one separate intuition from feelings "based on old learning" .. if u will...Thanks.Susan

[Guest guest]

>

> Your feelings?

>

> Don't you know that feelings are normally anchors of previously learned

emotions, and in most people have VIRTUALLY NO REALITY outside of the other

emoting?

 

Yes.

 

How would you describe intuition? How would you describe the images and

feelings that one gets when remote viewing? Intuition? Got me. Feelings

almost work. I am more kinetically biased than auditory or visual. The signals

got to hit something to be registered.

 

>

> > It seems much easier to evolve into a being of light.

>

> According to whom?

>

 

Me. Making a hypothesis.

 

> According to Edgar Cayce we all need to evolve THROUGH EVERY THING as did JC

on his path of returning to the source.

>

 

Cool.

 

JC, can't beat his genetics.

 

EC, the recycling program seems to work for him.

 

>

> Then feedback to see if you are getting to where you want to go.

 

That is why I am here. Many years of practice. Looking for Feedback.

 

 

> It seems to me that you are mixing up the realities between the objective

world and the subjective worlds.

 

Yes, This is the point of the post. Is it possible? Really can't see (insert

you favorite means of perception here) why not. Heard of X rays taken of the

great wall of china where they discovered bodies in perfect walking position.

Guess those guys really didn't believe it was possible;-)

 

>

> In the dream state we can walk through walls.

>

> In the physical body, it would hurt us. Try it and verify for self if you

wish.

 

Got enough bruises for the day, but I will get back to you when the results

change.

 

>

> It is NOT a simple, easy way as you presuppose.

>

> Sorry.

 

 

Didn't presuppose it was.

 

 

>

> > Obviously this experience is difficult to validate, but it seems to >hold

some continuity with the little that I have read about Ingo >Swann and his

experience with Lucidity. That sense of life >dissolving into a much more

ethereal experience of the flows of >energy.

>

> What does this mean?

 

Don't have the article in front of me, but if I remember correctly the Article

was about his first experiences with the WALL and the difficulty he had of

integrating these experiences into his life. I am working my way through his

" Eight Martini site " . Good stuff.

 

 

> If you don't get more than you are ready for, then you do NOT get enough.

 

Good enough!

 

>

> When anyone remains in their 'comfort zone' they are dying and not evolving.

>

> Learning experiences are NEVER in the comfort zone.

>

> Learning is NEVER easy.

>

> It's like walking 5 miles to town. Not easy but simple to do. Face town. Start

walking and keep walking until you get there.

>

> Sorry.

 

No worries. Now I feel like I am getting somewhere.

 

>

> > My feeling is that there seemed to be a lack of compassion.

>

> Why are you relying on 'feeling's' for any type of external antenna for

calibration?

>

 

Feelings, intuition, Conversation with God? What concept works for you? How do

you calibrate? Painful pots only give limited feedback.

 

>

> What do you mean by compassion?

>

> The short version of 'compassion' is really NOT effective.

>

> The long version of 'compassion' can be much MORE effective.

 

That is what I was trying to explain with the Angel.

 

 

>

> Well in my world angels set-us-up for tough learning experiences so we do

EVOLVE and learn our comfort zones behind.

>

> I think we have some different paradigms.

 

Yes, Thanks again for trying to cover the distance.

 

> You want an angel to do it for you and to protect you.

 

Where did you get that?

 

Just because I used an angel to try to describe a concept does not mean I want

an angel to do it for me and protect me.

 

>

> It's NOT that way no matter how we wish it to be.

>

> On planet Earth we are given lessons of LEARNING.

>

 

I agree, but the post was more about developing the idea of where you wanted to

end up.

 

Where do you want to end up?

 

Turning into a ball of light and walking through walls is a perfectly good

alternative to sharing your dust with the worms and recycling again.

 

 

Wm