that bug-ga-boo called divine order.

January 16, 2010

Doc please do continue. I find this extremely thought provoking.

Danny

, " docspeed2001 "

<docspeed2001 wrote:

>

> > > ><sue.gridley@> wrote:

>

> > > >Well, in these cases, I always ask that all proceed in Divine order and

let a higher wisdom take care of things.

> --- <sue.gridley@> wrote:

>

> > > To me that is giving up self-responsibility to someone or something else

OUTSIDE of you. It is (to me) a way of giving up and 'hoping' (which is the same

as 'wishing') that something else can assist.

>

> > > To me, we are a part of higher wisdom and divine order, and we have the

capabilities to create for good (and for bad) INSIDE of ourselves because we are

a part of divine spirit and we can use that spirit consciously.

>

> > Jack: If we are part of the higher wisdom and divine order, how is > it

giving up responsibility to call on it?

>

> Hi Sue,

>

> Cool question and you deserve my answer.

>

> It depends on what is meant by " call on it " .

>

> And in your original post you did NOT use those words with those

presuppositions, but used others words.

>

> Your presuppositions in the first post was to " let go and let god " , which

means we do nothing and god does all. It also means, " I'm too tired to deal with

it, so let others deal with it...or let god deal with it " . Which is assigning

responsibility and giving up responsibility.

>

> Now is Haiti our responsibility?

>

> Kaelin says " yes " ...you said " no " ...I said " how we manifest is important to

know " ...(Notice MY post was NOT about Haiti but about methods of distance

healing?)...Jimmy said " depends on the specific circumstances " (His post was

about methods of distance healing also)...

>

> This gets down to logical levels and emotional levels. It gets down to, " do we

associate into the pain of others when THEY go through THEIR learning

experiences " ?

>

> All people that have pain and suffering when others have pain and suffering

have not yet learned how to dissociate when appropiate. Which mean they suffer

all of their lives.

>

> That's why TCM has those 5 Seasons. That's why the biodata program has those

52 meta-programs. That's why Jung came up with his profiling system. There are

differences in logical levels and in emotional levels.

>

> It also depends on what you mean by " higher wisdom " .

>

> Here's a few common definitions.

>

> To some hw is a man with a white beard that will hug you and keep you safe.

And when you point him in the right direction will hug others and keep them

safe.

>

> Which is not verifiable and is not provable. It is also in total reverse

direction from the concept of free will.

>

> To others HW is an Intelligent Field of Energy that everything, us included,

are composed of, and WE have been given the FREEDOM OF WILL so we can use that

energy from the subjective universe to build what we choose with INTENTION what

we want in the objective universe.

>

> To others hw is the conscious activation of the subconscious mind, with all of

it's memories of this life and past lives...which is a field of intelligence

also located in the subjective universe which means we are all interconnected

through that subconscious mind.

>

> Then we get into that bug-ga-boo called " divine order " .

>

> Pretty darn hard to define that concept in a method that is repeatable and

usuable by mere humans. Of course many religious fellows have used that concept

for the ugly stuff they do to other humans (names like Hitler and Torquemada

come to mind)...

>

> >I don't believe it can be separated.

>

> Well we can talk BS systems (beliefs are just thoughts, nothing more nothing

less, and they change minute by minute) all day...and I'm not attempting to

convince anyone.

>

> > The higher wisdom is downloaded to us.

>

> NO! That is non-verifiable religious " faith " , when in fact the leaders in

manifestation have a much more precise and verifiable street practical version

of " faith " .

>

> Their definition of faith is " having confidence, trust and an unwavering

belief you can do something " .

>

> We ACCESS the 4th dimension of IDEAS with the energies of a burning desire.

>

> We ACCESS the 5th dimension of IDEALS (think Plato) with the energies of a

burning desire.

>

> Those who " get shit done " do NOT operate on the New Age extreme of believing

that all you have to do is think positively, send out the right vibes, and the

universe is going to drop whatever you think about into your lap.

>

> Positively emotionalized thoughts can help realize your aim or goals.

>

> But " just emoting " CANNOT put actual dollars in you bank or park a Hummer in

your driveway any more than it can make a cup and saucer suddenly materialize on

the table in front of you.

>

> What the human mind CAN do is send and attract thoughts, ideas and plans---not

dollar bills, Hummers, etc.

>

> When you visualize what you are really doing is confirming to yourself the

belief that achieving what you desire is a possibility, and that you are a

person who is capable of making it happen. The vivid images that you create of

your desire are burned into your subconscious (with proper hypnosis or energy

work it's much more effective than affirmations), where they connect and

interact with other bits of information so that you mind automatically starts

coming up with more and better ideas of how you can earn the money to put in

your bank so you can buy the Hummer.

>

> Thinking positively (turning on the Radiant Circuits) doesn't create concrete

objects; it creats attitudes and ideas, and those attitudes and ideas can be

psychically hyperlinked to specific places, people and things.

>

> One is a much higher level than the other.

>

> This would be a 10,000 page book if I continued...

>

> ...so I'll stop here unless requested to continue.

>

> John La Tourrette, PhD

>

January 16, 2010

> Ooh! I'm interested in that as well.

> Excellent post, Doc!

> ~Kelmie

On Jan 15, 2010, at 1:17 PM, Jyoti Rawlinson wrote:

> Thanks for laying out this explanation. I'm interested where the

> type of manifestation experienced by Machaella Wright (Perelandra)

> fits into this - actual physical objects?

> Jyoti

Hi Kelmie & Jyoti,

I see NO conflicts between where she is coming from and what I've already

stated.

I do see a " different frame " of reference so her filters of data for certain

purposes are much different than mine.

Criteria is always important on an individual basis.

Which is what makes life so much fun and full of enjoyment.

John La Tourrette, PhD

creative_energies , " docspeed2001 " <docspeed2001

wrote:

>

> > > ><sue.gridley@> wrote:

>

> > > >Well, in these cases, I always ask that all proceed in Divine order and

let a higher wisdom take care of things.

> --- <sue.gridley@> wrote:

>

> > > To me that is giving up self-responsibility to someone or something else

OUTSIDE of you. It is (to me) a way of giving up and 'hoping' (which is the same

as 'wishing') that something else can assist.

>

> > > To me, we are a part of higher wisdom and divine order, and we have the

capabilities to create for good (and for bad) INSIDE of ourselves because we are

a part of divine spirit and we can use that spirit consciously.

>

> > Jack: If we are part of the higher wisdom and divine order, how is > it

giving up responsibility to call on it?

> Hi Sue,

> Cool question and you deserve my answer.

> It depends on what is meant by " call on it " .

> And in your original post you did NOT use those words with those

presuppositions, but used others words.

> Your presuppositions in the first post was to " let go and let god " , which

means we do nothing and god does all. It also means, " I'm too tired to deal with

it, so let others deal with it...or let god deal with it " . Which is assigning

responsibility and giving up responsibility.

> Now is Haiti our responsibility?

> Kaelin says " yes " ...you said " no " ...I said " how we manifest is important to

know " ...(Notice MY post was NOT about Haiti but about methods of distance

healing?)...Jimmy said " depends on the specific circumstances " (His post was

about methods of distance healing also)...

> This gets down to logical levels and emotional levels. It gets down to, " do we

associate into the pain of others when THEY go through THEIR learning

experiences " ?

> All people that have pain and suffering when others have pain and suffering

have not yet learned how to dissociate when appropiate. Which mean they suffer

all of their lives.

> That's why TCM has those 5 Seasons. That's why the biodata program has those

52 meta-programs. That's why Jung came up with his profiling system. There are

differences in logical levels and in emotional levels.

> It also depends on what you mean by " higher wisdom " .

> Here's a few common definitions.

> To some hw is a man with a white beard that will hug you and keep you safe.

And when you point him in the right direction will hug others and keep them

safe.

> Which is not verifiable and is not provable. It is also in total reverse

direction from the concept of free will.

> To others HW is an Intelligent Field of Energy that everything, us included,

are composed of, and WE have been given the FREEDOM OF WILL so we can use that

energy from the subjective universe to build what we choose with INTENTION what

we want in the objective universe.

> To others hw is the conscious activation of the subconscious mind, with all of

it's memories of this life and past lives...which is a field of intelligence

also located in the subjective universe which means we are all interconnected

through that subconscious mind.

> Then we get into that bug-ga-boo called " divine order " .

> Pretty darn hard to define that concept in a method that is repeatable and

usuable by mere humans. Of course many religious fellows have used that concept

for the ugly stuff they do to other humans (names like Hitler and Torquemada

come to mind)...

> >I don't believe it can be separated.

> Well we can talk BS systems (beliefs are just thoughts, nothing more nothing

less, and they change minute by minute) all day...and I'm not attempting to

convince anyone.

> > The higher wisdom is downloaded to us.

> NO! That is non-verifiable religious " faith " , when in fact the leaders in

manifestation have a much more precise and verifiable street practical version

of " faith " .

> Their definition of faith is " having confidence, trust and an unwavering

belief you can do something " .

> We ACCESS the 4th dimension of IDEAS with the energies of a burning desire.

> We ACCESS the 5th dimension of IDEALS (think Plato) with the energies of a

burning desire.

> Those who " get shit done " do NOT operate on the New Age extreme of believing

that all you have to do is think positively, send out the right vibes, and the

universe is going to drop whatever you think about into your lap.

> Positively emotionalized thoughts can help realize your aim or goals.

> But " just emoting " CANNOT put actual dollars in you bank or park a Hummer in

your driveway any more than it can make a cup and saucer suddenly materialize on

the table in front of you.

> What the human mind CAN do is send and attract thoughts, ideas and plans---not

dollar bills, Hummers, etc.

> When you visualize what you are really doing is confirming to yourself the

belief that achieving what you desire is a possibility, and that you are a

person who is capable of making it happen. The vivid images that you create of

your desire are burned into your subconscious (with proper hypnosis or energy

work it's much more effective than affirmations), where they connect and

interact with other bits of information so that you mind automatically starts

coming up with more and better ideas of how you can earn the money to put in

your bank so you can buy the Hummer.

> Thinking positively (turning on the Radiant Circuits) doesn't create concrete

objects; it creats attitudes and ideas, and those attitudes and ideas can be

psychically hyperlinked to specific places, people and things.

> One is a much higher level than the other.

> This would be a 10,000 page book if I continued...

> ...so I'll stop here unless requested to continue.

> John La Tourrette, PhD

January 16, 2010

You're good

-

docspeed2001

Friday, January 15, 2010 4:04 PM

that bug-ga-boo called "divine order".

> > ><sue.gridley@> wrote:> > >Well, in these cases, I always ask that all proceed in Divine order and let a higher wisdom take care of things.--- <sue.gridley wrote:> > To me that is giving up self-responsibility to someone or something else OUTSIDE of you. It is (to me) a way of giving up and 'hoping' (which is the same as 'wishing') that something else can assist.> > To me, we are a part of higher wisdom and divine order, and we have the capabilities to create for good (and for bad) INSIDE of ourselves because we are a part of divine spirit and we can use that spirit consciously.> Jack: If we are part of the higher wisdom and divine order, how is > it giving up responsibility to call on it? Hi Sue,Cool question and you deserve my answer.It depends on what is meant by "call on it".And in your original post you did NOT use those words with those presuppositions, but used others words.Your presuppositions in the first post was to "let go and let god", which means we do nothing and god does all. It also means, "I'm too tired to deal with it, so let others deal with it...or let god deal with it". Which is assigning responsibility and giving up responsibility.Now is Haiti our responsibility? Kaelin says "yes"...you said "no"...I said "how we manifest is important to know"...(Notice MY post was NOT about Haiti but about methods of distance healing?)...Jimmy said "depends on the specific circumstances" (His post was about methods of distance healing also)...This gets down to logical levels and emotional levels. It gets down to, "do we associate into the pain of others when THEY go through THEIR learning experiences"?All people that have pain and suffering when others have pain and suffering have not yet learned how to dissociate when appropiate. Which mean they suffer all of their lives.That's why TCM has those 5 Seasons. That's why the biodata program has those 52 meta-programs. That's why Jung came up with his profiling system. There are differences in logical levels and in emotional levels.It also depends on what you mean by "higher wisdom". Here's a few common definitions.To some hw is a man with a white beard that will hug you and keep you safe. And when you point him in the right direction will hug others and keep them safe. Which is not verifiable and is not provable. It is also in total reverse direction from the concept of free will.To others HW is an Intelligent Field of Energy that everything, us included, are composed of, and WE have been given the FREEDOM OF WILL so we can use that energy from the subjective universe to build what we choose with INTENTION what we want in the objective universe.To others hw is the conscious activation of the subconscious mind, with all of it's memories of this life and past lives...which is a field of intelligence also located in the subjective universe which means we are all interconnected through that subconscious mind.Then we get into that bug-ga-boo called "divine order". Pretty darn hard to define that concept in a method that is repeatable and usuable by mere humans. Of course many religious fellows have used that concept for the ugly stuff they do to other humans (names like Hitler and Torquemada come to mind)...>I don't believe it can be separated.Well we can talk BS systems (beliefs are just thoughts, nothing more nothing less, and they change minute by minute) all day...and I'm not attempting to convince anyone. > The higher wisdom is downloaded to us.NO! That is non-verifiable religious "faith", when in fact the leaders in manifestation have a much more precise and verifiable street practical version of "faith". Their definition of faith is "having confidence, trust and an unwavering belief you can do something".We ACCESS the 4th dimension of IDEAS with the energies of a burning desire.We ACCESS the 5th dimension of IDEALS (think Plato) with the energies of a burning desire.Those who "get shit done" do NOT operate on the New Age extreme of believing that all you have to do is think positively, send out the right vibes, and the universe is going to drop whatever you think about into your lap.Positively emotionalized thoughts can help realize your aim or goals. But "just emoting" CANNOT put actual dollars in you bank or park a Hummer in your driveway any more than it can make a cup and saucer suddenly materialize on the table in front of you. What the human mind CAN do is send and attract thoughts, ideas and plans---not dollar bills, Hummers, etc.When you visualize what you are really doing is confirming to yourself the belief that achieving what you desire is a possibility, and that you are a person who is capable of making it happen. The vivid images that you create of your desire are burned into your subconscious (with proper hypnosis or energy work it's much more effective than affirmations), where they connect and interact with other bits of information so that you mind automatically starts coming up with more and better ideas of how you can earn the money to put in your bank so you can buy the Hummer.Thinking positively (turning on the Radiant Circuits) doesn't create concrete objects; it creats attitudes and ideas, and those attitudes and ideas can be psychically hyperlinked to specific places, people and things.One is a much higher level than the other.This would be a 10,000 page book if I continued......so I'll stop here unless requested to continue.John La Tourrette, PhD