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Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 If it is any help I had this installed- it is very useful. However if you are using classical characters make sure you have this in both pin yin(PRC) and classical characters (Taiwan). I use this along with a program Powerword 2003 (which has probably been updated since) which I use as a dictionary and for checking text and translations into and from either language. Powerword however is only in pinyin so when working on old texts one is likely to have to use a classical chinese dictionaryalongsideit. Helene te: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:26:01 -0000 " rfaultson " <bob Typing in Chinese Phil, >Undoubtedly, we need a comprehensive database of Chinese Medical >Terminology. That database should have at least three copyable fields: >Hanzi characters, Pinyin (accented or unaccented) term and English >term. A very large compilation is available as a download that can be burned to CD from Nigel's site at Chang Gung Medical College: http://memo.cgu.edu.tw/wiseman/WebPublished.htm It is not necessary to copy characters from a database to use them. The XP edition of the M$ OS contains the Chinese language fonts and " Input Method Editors " and can be installed at initial OS load or via the " Regional Settings " dialogs in the control pannel. It is much easier and faster to simply type the characters into a " word " file using IME's than to copy-and-paste from a database. At any rate, you would need to have the appropriate font installed. Older versions of M$ OS can follow these instructions. Viewing and editing Chinese text in MS Word 2000 (and up) on older operating systems requires downloading a package of fonts and input editors from Microsoft. There maybe newer editions of these install files than those mentioned following, however, the procedure should be the same. Global IME is a Microsoft program that makes it possible to view and edit Chinese characters on an English- language system. Once installed, the program is accessed through a menu in the taskbar whenever any of the supported programs- Word 2000, Internet Explorer 4.1 (or higher, or Outlook) - is active. Using it is as simple as selecting from that menu the language you wish to use. You can type English and Chinese characters in the same document. Requirements- Processor: 386 required, 486 recommended Operating System: Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows NT 4.0 Memory Requirements: 8MB RAM Disk Space Required to Run Global IME 5.0: * 8.2 MB for Chinese (Traditional) * 4.5 MB for Chinese (Simplified) Disk Space Required for Installation: * 10-12 MB for Chinese (Traditional) * 6.5-12 MB for Chinese (Simplified) Installation- To install Global IME with Traditional Chinese: Double click the file named MSIME5TC.exe; the file will install automatically. Restart the computer when prompted. To install Global IME with Simplified Chinese: Double click the file named MSIME5SC.exe; the file will install automatically. Restart the computer when prompted. Usage- To use Global IME, enter one of the supported applications and select from the menu the language you desire. If you plan to share a file you have written using Chinese characters, the person viewing the file need not have Global IME installed to view the file, only to edit it. Also, the file must be saved in .doc format and be opened in one of the supporting programs for it to be viewed properly (i.e. not .txt or rich-text, etc.) The fonts provided with these IME's are a very decent UNICODE implementation. While all of the medical characters found in major Chinese-langauge Chinese medical dictionaries will not be avaiable, most will be available, this should be a problem only with less-used characters. Our experience is that typesetting from files based on the M$ implementation can occassionally produce unexpected results such as " ghost " lines in characters and some malformation of emboldened characters in headings. This is unlikely to be a problem with laser printed files. It is likely that an electronic implementation of the " Practical Dictionary of " will be available on Pleco and Wenlin this year. Nonetheless, people will want to properly set their OS for Chinese. Bob >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > Digest Number 1256 >19 Jan 2006 20:56:11 -0000 > >There are 4 messages in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. RE: Re: California standards > " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1 > 2. Re: Woman, 36: Migraine, depression, 5' 4 " , 286 lb. > " melhsia " <melhsia > 3. Re: Antagonism between exogenous hormones and a good response to >AP? > " " <alonmarcus > 4. Typing in Chinese > " rfaultson " <bob > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 > Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:30:31 +0000 > " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1 >RE: Re: California standards > >Robert, >I hope my responses make sense. > > >i was rather thinking about CA-trained acupuncturists in markets outside >of > >California. > >I know what you mean but think that there are simply too many other factors >that can influence this as well. They could include hours of practice >mgmt/marketing, business acumen, financial resources, employment ops, etc. >I would not see any rellevance in such a study with so many other possible >variables out there. In some states, like mine, we have outside >competition >that like to mascarade as " LAc " , these DC have 100 hr only with no >supervised clinical internship. The Acu community here also lacks >insurance >parity (this is the land of the HMO) and so this aspect is financially >hurting many of us here as well. We are under utilized, under paid, etc. >LAc's from CA might have the same outcomes as someone who is a local >graduate and this might be totally unrelated to their CA education. Few >schools actually put enough hours into understanding ethics/law, pratice >mgmt or marketing, which is really what the study would be about. > > > >if the training is as vastly superior as you indicate, wouldn't one see > >also a disparity in > >income between CA-trained and non-CA-trained practitioners? > >Not necessarily due to the reasons above. There is much more to this >practice picture then simply your OM education. I see these as two >completely separate issues. For example, many of us may know of a >financially successful practitioner who they do not consider to be very >good >and yet they are successful. Their focus is on making money, not on higher >level service, rare is the practice that provides both. Usually, we have >big, caring hearts more then big bank accounts. > > > >since treatment outcomes are difficult to measure, economic status of the > >graduates > >would be an obvious indicator of the superiority of the educational > >standards. > >I would again disagree with you on this assumption as listed above. > > >i'm surprised the CA-approved schools haven't undertaken this, it would >certainly be an >incentive for people to choose their programs if the data came out on their >side. > >I am not. I would much rather see a study on how many graduates are still >in practice after 5 years and at what level of activity. CA also seems to >be having issues with graduates coming out and then not finding > " employment " >yet not really interested in running their own business. I am glad to see >that more hospital affiliations are being created and that a hospital >recruiter is now accepting cv for hospital employment of LAc (CA). > >So, in the end, we have a long way to go with much disparity. I think that >if you practice in CA your pathway might be shortened due to all the work >previously done and the ops created from it. We have much to be thankful >for in CA and the rest of us have much more to think about as far as >practice ops. > >Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > >PS, I plan to return after my chiro graduation and become one of only a few >dually licensed professionals offering both models of healthcare to their >patients. > > > > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 2 > Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:08:01 -0800 (PST) > " melhsia " <melhsia >Re: Woman, 36: Migraine, depression, 5' 4 " , 286 lb. > >Thanks for your knowledge. It does look like a metal injuring wood >pattern. > now only we can see if it works when she comes back. > > regards, > vivianne > >holmes <dkaikobad wrote: > melhsia wrote: > > >Her chief complaint is migraine, and she had it in 1987, which is a wood >energy deficient year. So I would use with the liver/GB and PC channel >points >as well. > > > >migraine is best treated by addressing what is causing it, else there >will be false starts and relapses > >such a long drawn out situation cannot be because of a Wood problem >because an element cannot injure itelf to this drastic extent > >commonest culprit in this kind of history could be Metal, it can injure >by agression, and can hold a lcinical pattern rigidly > >if it does turn out to be a Metal injuring Wood pattern, you may find >the classical Deficiency in one and an Excess in the other > >jumping the gun somewhat, if it is so, a single bi phasal intervention >on horary points will provide a dramatic shift > >best > >dr holmes > > > > > > > > > > > >Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, >http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > and adjust >accordingly. > >Messages are the property of the author. 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Guest guest Posted January 20, 2006 Report Share Posted January 20, 2006 Mike et al; If you studied any health science profession, you would probably find about 50% have left the profession within 5 years. Univ. of Mn. Mortuary Science program did a study a number of years ago and found this to be a fairly constant rate of attrition. High stress, long hours, low wages, disrupted family life, etc. all contribute. Upon graduation, physicians are able to secure loans in order to launch their practice; try doing that with your L.Ac. Even if you *did* manage to obtain a loan, you'd be unlikely to generate enough business to pay the rent *and* the loan payments, much alone support your family. Most practitioners I know " don't give up their day job " at a grocery store or whatever, which essentially " supports " their acupuncture habit :-) The vast majority of licensees who are making a decent full-time living at this are working for a TCM school. Hey, wait a minute..... :-) Best Regards, Rachel H. Peterman, M.S., J.D. >>i'm surprised the CA-approved schools haven't undertaken this, it would certainly be an incentive for people to choose their programs if the data came out on their side. I am not. I would much rather see a study on how many graduates are still in practice after 5 years and at what level of activity. Chinese Medicine wrote: There are 4 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. RE: Re: California standards " mike Bowser " 2. Re: Woman, 36: Migraine, depression, 5' 4 " , 286 lb. " melhsia " 3. Re: Antagonism between exogenous hormones and a good response to AP? " " 4. Typing in Chinese " rfaultson " ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:30:31 +0000 " mike Bowser " RE: Re: California standards Robert, I hope my responses make sense. >i was rather thinking about CA-trained acupuncturists in markets outside of >California. I know what you mean but think that there are simply too many other factors that can influence this as well. They could include hours of practice mgmt/marketing, business acumen, financial resources, employment ops, etc. I would not see any rellevance in such a study with so many other possible variables out there. In some states, like mine, we have outside competition that like to mascarade as " LAc " , these DC have 100 hr only with no supervised clinical internship. The Acu community here also lacks insurance parity (this is the land of the HMO) and so this aspect is financially hurting many of us here as well. We are under utilized, under paid, etc. LAc's from CA might have the same outcomes as someone who is a local graduate and this might be totally unrelated to their CA education. Few schools actually put enough hours into understanding ethics/law, pratice mgmt or marketing, which is really what the study would be about. > >if the training is as vastly superior as you indicate, wouldn't one see >also a disparity in >income between CA-trained and non-CA-trained practitioners? Not necessarily due to the reasons above. There is much more to this practice picture then simply your OM education. I see these as two completely separate issues. For example, many of us may know of a financially successful practitioner who they do not consider to be very good and yet they are successful. Their focus is on making money, not on higher level service, rare is the practice that provides both. Usually, we have big, caring hearts more then big bank accounts. > >since treatment outcomes are difficult to measure, economic status of the >graduates >would be an obvious indicator of the superiority of the educational >standards. I would again disagree with you on this assumption as listed above. i'm surprised the CA-approved schools haven't undertaken this, it would certainly be an incentive for people to choose their programs if the data came out on their side. I am not. I would much rather see a study on how many graduates are still in practice after 5 years and at what level of activity. CA also seems to be having issues with graduates coming out and then not finding " employment " yet not really interested in running their own business. I am glad to see that more hospital affiliations are being created and that a hospital recruiter is now accepting cv for hospital employment of LAc (CA). So, in the end, we have a long way to go with much disparity. I think that if you practice in CA your pathway might be shortened due to all the work previously done and the ops created from it. We have much to be thankful for in CA and the rest of us have much more to think about as far as practice ops. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac PS, I plan to return after my chiro graduation and become one of only a few dually licensed professionals offering both models of healthcare to their patients. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:08:01 -0800 (PST) " melhsia " Re: Woman, 36: Migraine, depression, 5' 4 " , 286 lb. Thanks for your knowledge. It does look like a metal injuring wood pattern. now only we can see if it works when she comes back. regards, vivianne holmes wrote: melhsia wrote: > Her chief complaint is migraine, and she had it in 1987, which is a wood energy deficient year. So I would use with the liver/GB and PC channel points as well. > migraine is best treated by addressing what is causing it, else there will be false starts and relapses such a long drawn out situation cannot be because of a Wood problem because an element cannot injure itelf to this drastic extent commonest culprit in this kind of history could be Metal, it can injure by agression, and can hold a lcinical pattern rigidly if it does turn out to be a Metal injuring Wood pattern, you may find the classical Deficiency in one and an Excess in the other jumping the gun somewhat, if it is so, a single bi phasal intervention on horary points will provide a dramatic shift best dr holmes Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 The statistic we were quoted while in school where I attended was: 82% of acupuncturists are not practicing acupuncture within 5 years of graduation. I can’t tell you what the source was other than I heard that exact information more than once. And when I look at the grads from my class of 1997, I would have to say it’s not too far off base. _____ Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of golden lotus publishing Friday, January 20, 2006 2:51 PM Chinese Medicine Re: Digest Number 1256 Mike et al; If you studied any health science profession, you would probably find about 50% have left the profession within 5 years. Univ. of Mn. Mortuary Science program did a study a number of years ago and found this to be a fairly constant rate of attrition. High stress, long hours, low wages, disrupted family life, etc. all contribute. Upon graduation, physicians are able to secure loans in order to launch their practice; try doing that with your L.Ac. Even if you *did* manage to obtain a loan, you'd be unlikely to generate enough business to pay the rent *and* the loan payments, much alone support your family. Most practitioners I know " don't give up their day job " at a grocery store or whatever, which essentially " supports " their acupuncture habit :-) The vast majority of licensees who are making a decent full-time living at this are working for a TCM school. Hey, wait a minute..... :-) Best Regards, Rachel H. Peterman, M.S., J.D. >>i'm surprised the CA-approved schools haven't undertaken this, it would certainly be an incentive for people to choose their programs if the data came out on their side. I am not. I would much rather see a study on how many graduates are still in practice after 5 years and at what level of activity. Chinese Medicine wrote: There are 4 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. RE: Re: California standards " mike Bowser " 2. Re: Woman, 36: Migraine, depression, 5' 4 " , 286 lb. " melhsia " 3. Re: Antagonism between exogenous hormones and a good response to AP? " " 4. Typing in Chinese " rfaultson " ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:30:31 +0000 " mike Bowser " RE: Re: California standards Robert, I hope my responses make sense. >i was rather thinking about CA-trained acupuncturists in markets outside of >California. I know what you mean but think that there are simply too many other factors that can influence this as well. They could include hours of practice mgmt/marketing, business acumen, financial resources, employment ops, etc. I would not see any rellevance in such a study with so many other possible variables out there. In some states, like mine, we have outside competition that like to mascarade as " LAc " , these DC have 100 hr only with no supervised clinical internship. The Acu community here also lacks insurance parity (this is the land of the HMO) and so this aspect is financially hurting many of us here as well. We are under utilized, under paid, etc. LAc's from CA might have the same outcomes as someone who is a local graduate and this might be totally unrelated to their CA education. Few schools actually put enough hours into understanding ethics/law, pratice mgmt or marketing, which is really what the study would be about. > >if the training is as vastly superior as you indicate, wouldn't one see >also a disparity in >income between CA-trained and non-CA-trained practitioners? Not necessarily due to the reasons above. There is much more to this practice picture then simply your OM education. I see these as two completely separate issues. For example, many of us may know of a financially successful practitioner who they do not consider to be very good and yet they are successful. Their focus is on making money, not on higher level service, rare is the practice that provides both. Usually, we have big, caring hearts more then big bank accounts. > >since treatment outcomes are difficult to measure, economic status of the >graduates >would be an obvious indicator of the superiority of the educational >standards. I would again disagree with you on this assumption as listed above. i'm surprised the CA-approved schools haven't undertaken this, it would certainly be an incentive for people to choose their programs if the data came out on their side. I am not. I would much rather see a study on how many graduates are still in practice after 5 years and at what level of activity. CA also seems to be having issues with graduates coming out and then not finding " employment " yet not really interested in running their own business. I am glad to see that more hospital affiliations are being created and that a hospital recruiter is now accepting cv for hospital employment of LAc (CA). So, in the end, we have a long way to go with much disparity. I think that if you practice in CA your pathway might be shortened due to all the work previously done and the ops created from it. We have much to be thankful for in CA and the rest of us have much more to think about as far as practice ops. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac PS, I plan to return after my chiro graduation and become one of only a few dually licensed professionals offering both models of healthcare to their patients. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:08:01 -0800 (PST) " melhsia " Re: Woman, 36: Migraine, depression, 5' 4 " , 286 lb. Thanks for your knowledge. It does look like a metal injuring wood pattern. now only we can see if it works when she comes back. regards, vivianne holmes wrote: melhsia wrote: > Her chief complaint is migraine, and she had it in 1987, which is a wood energy deficient year. So I would use with the liver/GB and PC channel points as well. > migraine is best treated by addressing what is causing it, else there will be false starts and relapses such a long drawn out situation cannot be because of a Wood problem because an element cannot injure itelf to this drastic extent commonest culprit in this kind of history could be Metal, it can injure by agression, and can hold a lcinical pattern rigidly if it does turn out to be a Metal injuring Wood pattern, you may find the classical Deficiency in one and an Excess in the other jumping the gun somewhat, if it is so, a single bi phasal intervention on horary points will provide a dramatic shift best dr holmes Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 golden lotus publishing wrote: <snip> > The vast majority of licensees who are making a decent full-time > living at this are working for a TCM school. Hey, wait a minute..... > :-) > Hi Rachel! Oh, you touch on the dirty little secret . . . Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Ha, Ha Pete, I would laugh if it didn't make me want to cry... If the USDE realized that " ugly little secret " was a reality, they would yank the federal student loan funds from TCM programs so fast it would make some greedy little heads spin (schools are only supposed to have access to federal financial aid programs if the degrees offered will generally lead to *employment* in a trade or profession. If the program is unlikely to result in a full-time job in a particular trade or profession sort of thing, federal financial aid money should not be available to such programs. I think the TCM programs play fast and loose with the numbers. For example, if a graduate is slaving away at the night shift at UPS or Burger King or some other unskilled labor in order to repay the " massive student loans " we've heard folks discuss previously, but he sees patients in the clinic as a " graduate student " or some such title, once a week or so, the school reports him as an individual with " full time employment " after graduation. That's deceptive. Also, a lot of married practitioners are being effectively supported by their spouses, parents, lovers, etc., or else they could never make a living at TCM, and would have to seek other, more gainful employment elsewhere. However, these folks proudly claim that they are " working full time " at TCM. Yeah, but they aren't *really* supporting themselves, or their families with said employment. But TCM isn't the only field to do this. When I was first practicing after I graduated L-school (the Moderator doesn't like the L-word used, it offends him, I think :-), my employer called me in to his office and said, " I hear all of these graduates complaining that there are no jobs, but look here, your graduating class is over 99% employed " . I patiently waited for this venerable sage to finish, then replied, " Jeff, you'll notice, they said " full time employment " . They *didn't* say " full time employment in the l- word profession, as an l-word " . His eyes grew large. I continued: " At least two of my classmates are employed full-time as waiters. Should they be glad that they spent tens of thousands of dollars on their l-word education? " My employer replied, " why those shifty b-word's " (the l-school, not the waiters). " That's deceptive " . They shouldn't be allowed to put that kind of misinformation in their cataolog or publications " . " They shouldn't be allowed to report to the ABA accrediting teams that way " . Yup, no one should. TCM schools least of all. But they are doing it. It misleads potential students, it misleads the public, it misleads accreditation teams. It misleads departments of the federal government. If a significant number of graduates can't obtain employment or maintain a full time independent practice, without a parent or spouse supporting them financially, the program doesn't DESERVE to have access to federal financial aid funds. Period. That's not my opinion, that's the opinion of our federal government. Oh yeah, I forgot, what the federal government thinks is totally irrelevant to the magical, mystical world of TCM... :-) Pete, thanks for making me smile.... Best Regards, Rachel H. Peterman, M.S., J.D. Chinese Medicine , petetheisen <petetheisen@v...> wrote: > > golden lotus publishing wrote: > <snip> > > The vast majority of licensees who are making a decent full-time > > living at this are working for a TCM school. Hey, wait a minute..... > > :-) > > > > Hi Rachel! > > Oh, you touch on the dirty little secret . . . > > Regards, > > Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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