The value of self-hypnosis versus TM

[Guest guest]

, Marcel Ellensohn

<shamanu888 wrote:

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> docspeed2001 wrote:

> > Even so, there were many school systems that did adopt some of the > >Silva

methods for enhanced learning.

 

> Sounds interesting. I have read some books about alpha learning

 

Hunnn?

 

Reading a book with NEVER give you hypnosis skills. But doing the hypnosis

drills (scripts) in the books WILL give you conscious hypnosis skills.

 

Here's how.

 

Get a tape recorder.

 

Read the conditioning cycles in the book into the tape recorder in a slow

relaxed manner.

 

The sit in a chair, with feet flat and hands of thighs, close your eyes and do

the progressive relaxation...

 

....do the mental relaxation...

 

....do the 'segment intending'...

 

....do the 'bring back'...

 

....and keep doing it until you have TEN HOURS under your belt.

 

Since each conditioning is about twenty minutes, that means a minimum of thirty

times to get the minimum effective level of hypnosis.

 

John La Tourrette, PhD

 

> Marcel

>

[Guest guest]

> After I finished my training my awareness did get better and I started

noticing changes in Ken Smith that I disliked.

>

> He was no longer MOTIVATED to do anything, with the exception of drinking,

smoking dope and having a live-in sex slave.

>

> He quit karate.

>

> He was one term from graduating from SOU with a BA in business. He dropped out

of college.

>

> He quit his job.

>

> He found the cheapest rent possible, bought the cheapest car possible, and

just vegetated.

>

> That was in 1970.

>

> When I moved back to Southern OR in 1987, there was Ken Smith sitting at the

counter at the Talent Truck Stop, STILL doing nothing.

>

> Still no job.

>

> He had lost his sex slave years back.

>

> He no longer drank unless someone else bought.

>

> Any way I immediately (in 1970) stopped doing TM because I did not want to

turn into a dolphin. My values, beliefs and criteria were vastly different than

the couch potatoe he'd turned into.

>

> I do think that for Water elements and Earth Elements, that TM would be like

honey to a bear.

>

> It just did not (and still does NOT) fit my paradigms.

 

Hi Doc,

 

Thanks.

 

I wonder if it was the TM or if it was Ken himself that was responsible for how

he turned out. TM is a tool.

I chose how I wanted to use it. I wanted to be a better student.

What was Ken's intention for using it? Doesn't seem that he was living at

cause.

 

>

> >I said if that's the case then why was the City School System >endorsing

them?

>

> Because they looked at the research papers and NOT the person doing it. And,

just maybe, the school system did agree with erasing those pesky emotions and

values that Wood Elements have.

>

 

> Silva Mind control is " mind control " which is not looked upon with

appreciation by many people.

>

> That type of 'frame' has a stigma attached to it.

>

 

Yes, I remember reading that Silva offered to give it to the schools for free

and there were no takers. Unfortunate, since I think what he did was brilliant

and effective.

 

> Even so, there were many school systems that did adopt some of the Silva

methods for enhanced learning.

 

Did they give him credit?

 

>

> Notice that it was NOT until the 80's that the changed the name to " The Silva

Method of Dynamic Meditation " .

>

> And in the 70's meditation was in with the peaceniks.

>

> Then there is always the growth cycle of a business to take into account.

>

> Thanks Lori,

 

Thanks Doc.

 

Lori

 

>

> John La Tourrette, PhD

> Co-Developer " The SilvaUltraMind ESP Remote Viewing/Remote Influence course

for Nightengale Conant.

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Lori

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, " darthon4 "

<darthon4 wrote:

 

> > Even so, there were many school systems that did adopt some of the Silva

methods for enhanced learning.

>

> Did they give him credit?

 

Yes,

 

There were few studies done in the schools AND always under someone else.

 

Jose Silva did NOT have educational credentials. He was 100% self-taught.

 

He did receive an " Honorary Doctor of Humanitites Award " in 1969 from Carr P.

Collins of the Sangreal Foundation for his tailblazing contributions in the

science of the mind and human potential.

 

On the other hand he did attract some good people that did have credentials that

school systems would approve of.

 

People like (but not limited to) Dr. J. Wilfred Hahn, Dr. N. E. West, art

professor Dord Fitz, Dr. Richard McKenzie, Dr. George DeSau, Dr. Robert Barns,

blab, blab, blab...

 

Dr. George DeSau did take the Silva method into the school system and had many

great results in self-assurance, free of guilt, tranquility, relaxation,

stability of ego strength, ego strength, social orientation, trust, cooperation,

enthusiasm, warmhearted, outgoing, blab, blab, blab.

 

There were also some mind opening studies on performance enhancement through

visualization where some students improved 160%!

 

Many such positive studies out there is one takes the time to research them.

 

And in many cases people STOLE his method, renamed it, and then attempted to rob

him of his studies, research and methods of Mind Control.

 

Like one of his employees, an assistant trainer from England, Alexander

Everette, who was written about ONLY because the author thought Alexander had

more prestigue than did Jose (a Mexican of no educational degrees) who was

totally self-taught and self-educated.

 

Which is a fantastic comment about self-teaching versus the school systems.

 

So Dr. O. Carl Simonton the Cancer specialist, learned the Silva Method and its

methods of brain coherence under the name of Mind Dynamics.

 

Why? Because Jose had not yet won his lawsuit and created a 'cease and desist'

to Everette ever teaching his method or using his name or materials again.

 

Of course a crook will continue on won't they. Mind Dynamics later led to two

other companies, est and Lifespring.

 

After investigations for fraudulent representations and practicing medicine

without a license, plus the death of co-owner William Penn Patrick and the

resignation of President Robert White, the company ceased operating in December

1973.

 

As my daddy used to say, " So many thieves and never enough bullets " .

 

Of course I'd never say that.

 

John La Tourrette, PhD

PS. I do recommend very highly the teachings of Jose Silva.

 

> > Notice that it was NOT until the 80's that the changed the name to " The

Silva Method of Dynamic Meditation " .

> >

> > And in the 70's meditation was in with the peaceniks.

> >

> > Then there is always the growth cycle of a business to take into account.

> >

> > Thanks Lori,

>

> Thanks Doc.

>

> Lori