RE: Well the Body knows is cope-out for people that don't know.

April 5, 2005

Hello Everyone. I just sent the message below to Dr. Tourrette and he has requested that I post it directly to the board. So, here goes!!!

I just joined the group a couple of days ago and am trying to get a feel for the board and what is posted. I have a question for you around "the body knows best" issue. I am a Bowen therapist. Not sure if you have heard of Bowen but what I do is apply a series of very gentle moves in specific places on the body that trigger, among other things, a relaxation response in the muscles, tendons, fascia etc. Every few moves I take a 2 or more minute pause while the body / brain absorbs the move and reacts to it. I am never sure how to language a lot of what I do to people. Every person reacts differently to Bowen, I have no way of telling ahead of time what will happen to them in the days following a session. Bowen continues to change the body for 5 days or so. Changes can be muscle relaxation, changes in symptoms of illnesses, detox, emotional releases etc. etc.

What do you suggest as a way of avoiding telling them that their body will react according to how it needs to? Having said that, the best results are had by the people that actively listen to their bodies, take note of the changes in how they feel etc. Seems to me that ownership of their issues is of huge importance in the process. My role really is that of a catalyst. Thanks.

I trained in NLP but several years ago and I really want to spend some time going through all my notes, handouts etc. again to get back up to speed. I do use NLP in several ways. I try to help people form positive outcomes through how I use language with them and, of course, I use NLP rapport techniques. In one case I actually used "parts" work to help them sort through a healing conflict they were having around emotional issues, overzealous parts running the show. I also use reframing techniques to help them see things differently.

There is another thing I would like your advice on if you would be kind enough to share. I treat animals as well as humans. I am finding that quite often I am tuning in to emotions, this happens with people as well but to a lesser degree. Do you recommend studying that I can do or reading to help me augment this ability? Reading Energy Medicine I read that Donna picks up the energy of the person she is working with and that it is part of the session. I believe I have that right. So this is something that, to me, is an essential part of bringing myself fully to the experience. I would like to fine tune this ability.

From the few hours I have spent browsing past and current posts I have already picked up some wonderful ideas. Thank you. I think I am going to very much enjoy my membership here.

Elizabeth Sleight

www.TouchChanges.com

docspeed2001 [docspeed2001] April 4, 2005 7:52 PM Subject: "Well the Body knows" is cope-out for people that don't know. , "Joe" <japostol2000> wrote:> a member of this group, I tend to questions the responses that >people give me. Especially when they respond something along the >lines of, well the body knows best and it can only process so much >emotions, issues, tapping outs etc...Joe, that is an AWESOME POINT you just made. Let me go over that, if I may.I look at the person stating that "the body knows best"...Then I make my decision if they are a fool, or not. Normally they are fools with little skill or training.When Donna states that, it's AFTER she's given very specific procedures for doing the drill. Then, sometimes, a small amount of the time, she will give a tiny variation for that one person.We still need the steps...and she gives the steps.After we get the steps into our neurology, THEN we can notice other things that are NOT covered in the steps.Most of those people that say, "well the body knows best", are just using that stupid phrase as a cope out for their own lack of knowledge, and is a cover-up for their lack of knowledge.My point being, Donna uses that phrase only once in awhile, and very sparingly, for specific situations. And I also do that when doing therapy or energy interventions.I need to find the spot to put the Master Key, so the least fix, will do the most good.For example, I had this lady in today that has PTSD over a bad marriage. So I sat and joked with her, telling stories, calibrating her reactions, and I noticed that what she "thought" was her problem was totally bullshit.She had built up fear, afraid, so much as a pretext to getting out of the relationship, that she totally believed it! (I let her continue to believe it, but I still looked for the REAL issue.)The REAL ISSUE was, he was humiliating her in front of her friends, her loved ones, her work people...and she just couldn't stand that humiliation!So, I tapped away the humilation, from a 7 down to a zero, and DAMN IT, everything else ALSO dropped to zero.Her fear dropped to zero.Then I gave her some new strategies to use in her behavior for any future events. Simple stuff.My point is, SHE DIDN'T KNOW!Her body DIDN'T KNOW!Onward.> I tell you technology is great. Where in the world would you be able > to go to a computer and interact / have communication with someone > you highly respect. And get a response...they actually thought of > what you said....Wow. Normally you would have to visit them to > actually interact or have access to them....hmmm...that's the next > step then...plan to meet Doc & Group.Glad to have you at one of my seminars Joe.Sincerely,

April 5, 2005

Message>What do you suggest as a way of avoiding telling them that their

body will react according to how it needs to? Having said that, the best

results are had by the people that actively listen to their bodies, take

note of the changes in how they feel etc. Seems to me that ownership of

their issues is of huge importance in the process. My role really is that of

a catalyst. Thanks.

-

Catalyt is an accurate description, IMO.

There is a Yin and Yang to everything.

" The body knows best " is a truth.

The body follows chi and chi follows Yi is also true.

Your active intention is setting the body on a path it naturally seeks by

removing restrictions and opening pathways thus permitting the body to do

it's thing.

Using the force of the belief state, instead of resisting it, perhaps if you

comment to your subject:

" Okay, we've opened the clogs enough to let the body do it's own thing.

Would you do me a favour and keep a diary of the changes that it makes in

the next five days? "

This puts them into a co-operative and participatory state with the process

turning potential resistance from an existing belief state into active

synergy.

Love it all.

rusty

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Elizabeth Sleight

Monday, April 04, 2005 5:51 PM

RE: " Well the Body knows " is

cope-out for people that don't know.

Hello Everyone. I just sent the message below to Dr. Tourrette and he has

requested that I post it directly to the board. So, here goes!!!

I just joined the group a couple of days ago and am trying to get a feel for

the board and what is posted. I have a question for you around " the body

knows best " issue. I am a Bowen therapist. Not sure if you have heard of

Bowen but what I do is apply a series of very gentle moves in specific

places on the body that trigger, among other things, a relaxation response

in the muscles, tendons, fascia etc. Every few moves I take a 2 or more

minute pause while the body / brain absorbs the move and reacts to it. I am

never sure how to language a lot of what I do to people. Every person reacts

differently to Bowen, I have no way of telling ahead of time what will

happen to them in the days following a session. Bowen continues to change

the body for 5 days or so. Changes can be muscle relaxation, changes in

symptoms of illnesses, detox, emotional releases etc. etc.

What do you suggest as a way of avoiding telling them that their body will

react according to how it needs to? Having said that, the best results are

had by the people that actively listen to their bodies, take note of the

changes in how they feel etc. Seems to me that ownership of their issues is

of huge importance in the process. My role really is that of a catalyst.

Thanks.

I trained in NLP but several years ago and I really want to spend some time

going through all my notes, handouts etc. again to get back up to speed. I

do use NLP in several ways. I try to help people form positive outcomes

through how I use language with them and, of course, I use NLP rapport

techniques. In one case I actually used " parts " work to help them sort

through a healing conflict they were having around emotional issues,

overzealous parts running the show. I also use reframing techniques to help

them see things differently.

There is another thing I would like your advice on if you would be kind

enough to share. I treat animals as well as humans. I am finding that quite

often I am tuning in to emotions, this happens with people as well but to a

lesser degree. Do you recommend studying that I can do or reading to help me

augment this ability? Reading Energy Medicine I read that Donna picks up the

energy of the person she is working with and that it is part of the session.

I believe I have that right. So this is something that, to me, is an

essential part of bringing myself fully to the experience. I would like to

fine tune this ability.

From the few hours I have spent browsing past and current posts I have

already picked up some wonderful ideas. Thank you. I think I am going to

very much enjoy my membership here.

Elizabeth Sleight

www.TouchChanges.com

docspeed2001 [docspeed2001]

April 4, 2005 7:52 PM

" Well the Body knows " is cope-out

for people that don't know.

, " Joe "

<japostol2000> wrote:

> a member of this group, I tend to questions the responses that

>people give me. Especially when they respond something along the

>lines of, well the body knows best and it can only process so much

>emotions, issues, tapping outs etc...

Joe, that is an AWESOME POINT you just made.

Let me go over that, if I may.

I look at the person stating that " the body knows best " ...

Then I make my decision if they are a fool, or not. Normally they

are fools with little skill or training.

When Donna states that, it's AFTER she's given very specific

procedures for doing the drill. Then, sometimes, a small amount of

the time, she will give a tiny variation for that one person.

We still need the steps...and she gives the steps.

After we get the steps into our neurology, THEN we can notice other

things that are NOT covered in the steps.

Most of those people that say, " well the body knows best " , are just

using that stupid phrase as a cope out for their own lack of

knowledge, and is a cover-up for their lack of knowledge.

My point being, Donna uses that phrase only once in awhile, and very

sparingly, for specific situations.

And I also do that when doing therapy or energy interventions.

I need to find the spot to put the Master Key, so the least fix,

will do the most good.

For example, I had this lady in today that has PTSD over a bad

marriage. So I sat and joked with her, telling stories, calibrating

her reactions, and I noticed that what she " thought " was her problem

was totally bullshit.

She had built up fear, afraid, so much as a pretext to getting out

of the relationship, that she totally believed it!

(I let her continue to believe it, but I still looked for the REAL

issue.)

The REAL ISSUE was, he was humiliating her in front of her friends,

her loved ones, her work people...and she just couldn't stand that

humiliation!

So, I tapped away the humilation, from a 7 down to a zero, and DAMN

IT, everything else ALSO dropped to zero.

Her fear dropped to zero.

Then I gave her some new strategies to use in her behavior for any

future events.

Simple stuff.

My point is, SHE DIDN'T KNOW!

Her body DIDN'T KNOW!

Onward.

> I tell you technology is great. Where in the world would you be

able

> to go to a computer and interact / have communication with someone

> you highly respect. And get a response...they actually thought of

> what you said....Wow. Normally you would have to visit them to

> actually interact or have access to them....hmmm...that's the next

> step then...plan to meet Doc & Group.

Glad to have you at one of my seminars Joe.

Sincerely,

April 5, 2005

Thanks, Rusty. I do quite often speak to people of me acting as a catalyst. A lot depends upon their belief systems and how gently I can nudge them!!!

I love the idea of a diary of changes. That reminds me, when I first started part of my intake interview included making notes of what sorts of pain they had, how frequently and on what scale. Interestingly, when some came back and claimed no changes I would review the notes and they would have actually forgotten pain from only a week or two ago. The more I can get people to become involved the better. Thank you for the great suggestions.

Elizabeth

Catalyt is an accurate description, IMO.There is a Yin and Yang to everything."The body knows best" is a truth.The body follows chi and chi follows Yi is also true.Your active intention is setting the body on a path it naturally seeks byremoving restrictions and opening pathways thus permitting the body to doit's thing.Using the force of the belief state, instead of resisting it, perhaps if youcomment to your subject:"Okay, we've opened the clogs enough to let the body do it's own thing.Would you do me a favour and keep a diary of the changes that it makes inthe next five days?"This puts them into a co-operative and participatory state with the processturning potential resistance from an existing belief state into activesynergy.Love it all.rusty