Biases and favoritism on the energycollaborative?

[Guest guest]

Doc -

 

You actively work, provoke, incite, excite, think, challenge, engage,

get pissed at, totally enjoy, your groups.

 

Most don't.

 

I belong to about 10 lists. Business lists and high school list.

 

The only active lists are yours, and my high school list. But, most

of the posts on my high school list is from one teabagger idiot who

spams us all.

 

Scott belongs to a letterpress printing group that is really active.

All those people love what they do, are eager to teach and learn.

 

Helen

 

 

On Nov 4, 2009, at 3:50 PM, docspeed2001 wrote:

 

> Is anyone else here getting strange vibes from the

> energycollaborative?

>

> Like maybe some of them are clique orientated, and working out of

> their egos?

>

> Activity is very low.

>

> Members are small.

>

> And they isolated themselves in very tiny groups, groups that have

> only 3-21 members.

>

> 1.You need to be a member of Physicians for Energy Medicine to add

> comments! Only few comments and the last was on Oct 6, 2008. Dead

> for over a year.

>

> Here's a comment from Kelmie over there. " I'm confused... your

> initial post said you were opening the forum to input, but now you

> want everyone to sit back & observe without making comments? "

>

> I have not joined that particular one because it was clear up front

> what Bill's criteria is and Bill does a good job of posting here also.

>

> 2.Counselors, Psychologists, Social Workers. Last comment Sept 15,

> 2008. They have 4 members and only 1 post.

>

> I did attempt to join. I was told that since my PhD was in Sports

> Psychology, I did not qualify, even though I'm an NLP trainer, a

> hypnosis trainer, and energy psychology trainer, an energy medicine

> trainer, etc.

>

> 3. Radiant Circuits in Daily Life. This group is a place where

> everyone who has taken Kaelin Kelly's Radiant Circuits in Daily

> Life class can explore and discuss further the topics from the class.

>

> Members: 21, Latest Activity: Aug 14, 2009. They are also " dead in

> the water " .

>

> I also attempted to join that one. I am one of the original

> students of Donna that has learned those Radiant Circuits and has

> been teaching them to my clients, my students and at seminars in

> the States, in Puerto Vallarta, in Cancun and in the Bahamas for

> the past 11 years.

>

> I just wanted to learn more.I was refused.I was ignored.

>

> Strange.

>

> I did write her 3 different times to see how I could join.

>

> I offered to buy the DVD's of the class. I offered to just " lurk

> and learn " and to never post.

>

> No replies to my requests.

>

> Is this a " personal " thing?

>

> Or is this happening to everyone over there?

>

> John La Tourrette, PhD

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Doc,

 

I'm not familiar at all with this group.

 

The phrase that comes to my mind is " this is elitism wagging its tail " . This

sounds like an oxymoron, I know.

 

Well, the whole premise of this group feels like an oxymoron to me.

 

They're attempting to be elitist AND the premise is supposed to be furthering

the training and philosophy of the radiant circuit energy??

 

Huh?!? Or did I misunderstand something here...

 

You would think that the low participation would spell something out for

them....this would delete the radiant circuits and not feel very good, for sure.

 

My .02.

 

Melissa

 

, " docspeed2001 "

<docspeed2001 wrote:

>

> Is anyone else here getting strange vibes from the energycollaborative?

>

> Like maybe some of them are clique orientated, and working out of their egos?

>

> Activity is very low.

>

> Members are small.

>

> And they isolated themselves in very tiny groups, groups that have only 3-21

members.

>

> 1.You need to be a member of Physicians for Energy Medicine to add comments!

Only few comments and the last was on Oct 6, 2008. Dead for over a year.

>

> Here's a comment from Kelmie over there. " I'm confused... your initial post

said you were opening the forum to input, but now you want everyone to sit back

& observe without making comments? "

>

> I have not joined that particular one because it was clear up front what

Bill's criteria is and Bill does a good job of posting here also.

>

> 2.Counselors, Psychologists, Social Workers. Last comment Sept 15, 2008. They

have 4 members and only 1 post.

>

> I did attempt to join. I was told that since my PhD was in Sports Psychology,

I did not qualify, even though I'm an NLP trainer, a hypnosis trainer, and

energy psychology trainer, an energy medicine trainer, etc.

>

> 3. Radiant Circuits in Daily Life. This group is a place where everyone who

has taken Kaelin Kelly's Radiant Circuits in Daily Life class can explore and

discuss further the topics from the class.

>

> Members: 21, Latest Activity: Aug 14, 2009. They are also " dead in the water " .

>

> I also attempted to join that one. I am one of the original students of Donna

that has learned those Radiant Circuits and has been teaching them to my

clients, my students and at seminars in the States, in Puerto Vallarta, in

Cancun and in the Bahamas for the past 11 years.

>

> I just wanted to learn more.I was refused.I was ignored.

>

> Strange.

>

> I did write her 3 different times to see how I could join.

>

> I offered to buy the DVD's of the class. I offered to just " lurk and learn "

and to never post.

>

> No replies to my requests.

>

> Is this a " personal " thing?

>

> Or is this happening to everyone over there?

>

> John La Tourrette, PhD

>

[Guest guest]

Well if you want to get in to " conspiracies, " if I wanted to influence something

from a " Meta Level " to just plain go away, I would make sure the top people

underneath the leader of something valid were prone to cliques and bickering so

that soon after the leader of the group (in this case, Donna) retires and / or

passes away, the whole thing would simply " disappear and be forgotten about. "

 

Fortunately, there is no such need for any type of conspiracy, because that is

the exact sort of crap that happens naturally anyway all the time.

 

(For instance, Alexander The Great's sons who managed to fuck up everything he

accomplished because they couldn't get along with each other.)

 

Then again, if you take what you know and make sure you have your OWN products

and trademarks in place that keep going for whatever reasons are important to

you, then the fuck with everyone else.

 

I also understand it's frustrating and annoying to be a LOYAL student and friend

to someone, and then their organization " shuts you out " like they have.

 

It's interesting though to notice people who are friends because of common

experiences and / or shared learnings where they have the same or similar path

for a short period of time, vs where you want to go over many lifetimes and

people who are loyal friends many, many times over.

 

Just one of the reasons I appreciate you.

 

Jim

 

 

 

 

 

>docspeed2001 <docspeed2001

>Nov 4, 2009 5:50 PM

>

> Biases and favoritism on the

energycollaborative?

>

>Is anyone else here getting strange vibes from the energycollaborative?

>

>Like maybe some of them are clique orientated, and working out of their egos?

>

>Activity is very low.

>

>Members are small.

>

>And they isolated themselves in very tiny groups, groups that have only 3-21

members.

>

>1.You need to be a member of Physicians for Energy Medicine to add comments!

Only few comments and the last was on Oct 6, 2008. Dead for over a year.

>

>Here's a comment from Kelmie over there. " I'm confused... your initial post said

you were opening the forum to input, but now you want everyone to sit back &

observe without making comments? "

>

>I have not joined that particular one because it was clear up front what Bill's

criteria is and Bill does a good job of posting here also.

>

>2.Counselors, Psychologists, Social Workers. Last comment Sept 15, 2008. They

have 4 members and only 1 post.

>

>I did attempt to join. I was told that since my PhD was in Sports Psychology, I

did not qualify, even though I'm an NLP trainer, a hypnosis trainer, and energy

psychology trainer, an energy medicine trainer, etc.

>

>3. Radiant Circuits in Daily Life. This group is a place where everyone who has

taken Kaelin Kelly's Radiant Circuits in Daily Life class can explore and

discuss further the topics from the class.

>

>Members: 21, Latest Activity: Aug 14, 2009. They are also " dead in the water " .

>

>I also attempted to join that one. I am one of the original students of Donna

that has learned those Radiant Circuits and has been teaching them to my

clients, my students and at seminars in the States, in Puerto Vallarta, in

Cancun and in the Bahamas for the past 11 years.

>

>I just wanted to learn more.I was refused.I was ignored.

>

>Strange.

>

>I did write her 3 different times to see how I could join.

>

>I offered to buy the DVD's of the class. I offered to just " lurk and learn " and

to never post.

>

>No replies to my requests.

>

>Is this a " personal " thing?

>

>Or is this happening to everyone over there?

>

>John La Tourrette, PhD

>

[Guest guest]

Jim --

 

You're on to something.

 

I wonder how important " mystique " is -- for a system to live on.

 

L. Ron Hubbard -- wonder if he would be happy with Scientology today.

 

Alistair Crowley -- still has a hard core following.

 

Edgar Casey -- his legacy is very robust.

 

Manly Hall -- it all fell apart after he died. Bickering and cliques.

 

A robust system is a hell of a thought form.

 

Helen

 

 

 

 

On Nov 4, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Jim Knippenberg wrote:

 

> Well if you want to get in to " conspiracies, " if I wanted to

> influence something from a " Meta Level " to just plain go away, I

> would make sure the top people underneath the leader of something

> valid were prone to cliques and bickering so that soon after the

> leader of the group (in this case, Donna) retires and / or passes

> away, the whole thing would simply " disappear and be forgotten about. "

>

> Fortunately, there is no such need for any type of conspiracy,

> because that is the exact sort of crap that happens naturally

> anyway all the time.

>

> (For instance, Alexander The Great's sons who managed to fuck up

> everything he accomplished because they couldn't get along with

> each other.)

>

> Then again, if you take what you know and make sure you have your

> OWN products and trademarks in place that keep going for whatever

> reasons are important to you, then the fuck with everyone else.

>

> I also understand it's frustrating and annoying to be a LOYAL

> student and friend to someone, and then their organization " shuts

> you out " like they have.

>

> It's interesting though to notice people who are friends because of

> common experiences and / or shared learnings where they have the

> same or similar path for a short period of time, vs where you want

> to go over many lifetimes and people who are loyal friends many,

> many times over.

>

> Just one of the reasons I appreciate you.

>

> Jim

>

>

>

>

>

>> docspeed2001 <docspeed2001

>> Nov 4, 2009 5:50 PM

>>

>> Biases and favoritism

>> on the energycollaborative?

>>

>> Is anyone else here getting strange vibes from the

>> energycollaborative?

>>

>> Like maybe some of them are clique orientated, and working out of

>> their egos?

>>

>> Activity is very low.

>>

>> Members are small.

>>

>> And they isolated themselves in very tiny groups, groups that have

>> only 3-21 members.

>>

>> 1.You need to be a member of Physicians for Energy Medicine to add

>> comments! Only few comments and the last was on Oct 6, 2008. Dead

>> for over a year.

>>

>> Here's a comment from Kelmie over there. " I'm confused... your

>> initial post said you were opening the forum to input, but now you

>> want everyone to sit back & observe without making comments? "

>>

>> I have not joined that particular one because it was clear up

>> front what Bill's criteria is and Bill does a good job of posting

>> here also.

>>

>> 2.Counselors, Psychologists, Social Workers. Last comment Sept 15,

>> 2008. They have 4 members and only 1 post.

>>

>> I did attempt to join. I was told that since my PhD was in Sports

>> Psychology, I did not qualify, even though I'm an NLP trainer, a

>> hypnosis trainer, and energy psychology trainer, an energy

>> medicine trainer, etc.

>>

>> 3. Radiant Circuits in Daily Life. This group is a place where

>> everyone who has taken Kaelin Kelly's Radiant Circuits in Daily

>> Life class can explore and discuss further the topics from the class.

>>

>> Members: 21, Latest Activity: Aug 14, 2009. They are also " dead in

>> the water " .

>>

>> I also attempted to join that one. I am one of the original

>> students of Donna that has learned those Radiant Circuits and has

>> been teaching them to my clients, my students and at seminars in

>> the States, in Puerto Vallarta, in Cancun and in the Bahamas for

>> the past 11 years.

>>

>> I just wanted to learn more.I was refused.I was ignored.

>>

>> Strange.

>>

>> I did write her 3 different times to see how I could join.

>>

>> I offered to buy the DVD's of the class. I offered to just " lurk

>> and learn " and to never post.

>>

>> No replies to my requests.

>>

>> Is this a " personal " thing?

>>

>> Or is this happening to everyone over there?

>>

>> John La Tourrette, PhD

>>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

And another thing, Doc,

 

Who has the time for all of this petty sh**?

 

Not you, that's for dang sure.

 

How pitiful for them that they feel so threatened by you...that

they have to feel such glee about 'shutting you out'. It is

their loss, NOT yours.

 

Interesting, the weakness that small minded people reveal once they experience a

small measure of power, eh?

 

Melissa

 

 

 

, " docspeed2001 "

<docspeed2001 wrote:

>

> Is anyone else here getting strange vibes from the energycollaborative?

>

> Like maybe some of them are clique orientated, and working out of their egos?

>

> Activity is very low.

>

> Members are small.

>

> And they isolated themselves in very tiny groups, groups that have only 3-21

members.

>

> 1.You need to be a member of Physicians for Energy Medicine to add comments!

Only few comments and the last was on Oct 6, 2008. Dead for over a year.

>

> Here's a comment from Kelmie over there. " I'm confused... your initial post

said you were opening the forum to input, but now you want everyone to sit back

& observe without making comments? "

>

> I have not joined that particular one because it was clear up front what

Bill's criteria is and Bill does a good job of posting here also.

>

> 2.Counselors, Psychologists, Social Workers. Last comment Sept 15, 2008. They

have 4 members and only 1 post.

>

> I did attempt to join. I was told that since my PhD was in Sports Psychology,

I did not qualify, even though I'm an NLP trainer, a hypnosis trainer, and

energy psychology trainer, an energy medicine trainer, etc.

>

> 3. Radiant Circuits in Daily Life. This group is a place where everyone who

has taken Kaelin Kelly's Radiant Circuits in Daily Life class can explore and

discuss further the topics from the class.

>

> Members: 21, Latest Activity: Aug 14, 2009. They are also " dead in the water " .

>

> I also attempted to join that one. I am one of the original students of Donna

that has learned those Radiant Circuits and has been teaching them to my

clients, my students and at seminars in the States, in Puerto Vallarta, in

Cancun and in the Bahamas for the past 11 years.

>

> I just wanted to learn more.I was refused.I was ignored.

>

> Strange.

>

> I did write her 3 different times to see how I could join.

>

> I offered to buy the DVD's of the class. I offered to just " lurk and learn "

and to never post.

>

> No replies to my requests.

>

> Is this a " personal " thing?

>

> Or is this happening to everyone over there?

>

> John La Tourrette, PhD

>