Causes for illness / No diagnosing / To All

[Guest guest]

Dear Ones,

I just want to thank all of you who responded on the above post and to Peggy

for getting it started.

 

Many interesting and thought provoking issues have been brought to " Light "

thru this post.

 

There is maybe one more thing I would like to add: It is possible for

dis-ease to " Be " part of the path for a person. That as we deal and live in

the now with dis-ease, it brings us to choices that would not have been

revealed to us without it.

 

I do believe, to worry and spend much of our time thinking about it

(dis-ease) is non-productive and draws it to us. What we fear and think

about is definitely part of the co-creation aspect of our human experience.

 

Use of tools such as Crystal Spirits is wonderful..... but I feel the

Allowing of the Crystal Spirits to surround, fill and guide us will reveal

whatever needs to be revealed. Our ability to listen to that still small

voice as we breathe in the Light and release all that no longer serves us as

we breathe out can calm, comfort and heal...

 

This post is just a little reflection, please read in the Spirit of

discernment.

 

I hold all of you.....in my heart...and...

In the Light,

Samanthaa

If God brings you to it, He will bring you through it!

SoulDiscoveryThruReiki

[Guest guest]

Dear Samanthaa

I agree with you totally

there is a purpose for every experience that we face in our journey, some

people in this journey are destined to be sickly with much dis-ease in their

lives some are ment for other paths.

 

We are here in my personal beliefs is that we are here on this planet or

realm to gain experience, and not just one experience many different

experiences.

I beleive every happens for a reason and we need to embrace the journey were

on and be thankfull for all the blessings, gifts, trials and all of our

experience.

 

hope this helps

have a happy and keep smiling

Angelina

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am truely sorry for offending Anyone. I did not realize that I had " diagnosed "

anyone for their illness. I was only trying to participate in the group, (which

I was SO eager to join) and share what I have learned from you all, and your

many websites, links, folders and information data. I do feel a person may be

able to help heal themselves, if they knew what " may " have caused their illness.

Do you disagree?

This was my First post to the group, and I fell VERY unwelcome here.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Heyas Crystal

I did not see an offence in my eyes, I did see one statement you need to be

careful of using very very careful. In our realm of homeopathic types of

healing which we do, By Law we are not allowed to diagnose or prescribe, we

are allowed to suggest and research symptoms. Dear out of concern please be

careful how you word things in writing and out loud, the FDA is a world of

their own and I know many Naturopaths and homeopaths and the like who by the

slip of the tongue had their entire offices confiscated, were arrested, and

had to fight to get their livelihood's back spending unbelievable amounts of

money to survive and no guarantees or replacements for damage. they truly

come in guns blazing. For some who can afford to fight and survive the

attack, it will be ok or somewhat so. Though for the little guy, it can and

usually does destroy them, and they can end up loosing everything.

this is important for everyone here to remember never Diagnose or

Prescribe,we can

Research Symptoms, and Make Suggestions, and make sure you are all covered

and safe from the powers that be who want to keep us from helping others, so

we will be able to help those who truly believe in our methods of healing.

 

hope this helps

Have a happy and keep smiling

Angelina

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Crystal Rose, I am very stimulated by this conversation and KNOW that

this is not intended to hurt you in any way. Thank you for starting

this conversation.

 

I'm curious to see what others think of the word " diagnosis " and why we

are so careful not to use this word. I don't believe we will be strung

up for trying to help people, as long as we are careful to say that

what we are doing is not to be considered a medical diagnosis. Is our

need to be careful with diagnosing illness partially due to the huge

amounts of lawsuits going on (or mostly)? Maybe it's the connotation of

the word, and maybe we need a different word to describe what it is we

are doing when we say to. We are trying the best we can with our

CURRENT abilities to help other people. Maybe it's because we don't

know how the information we give others will be used? Obviously if we

don't have medical training we can't legally use that word. I have

found that there are people I would like to help, and they don't want

me to, but their higher self is begging for help, so I send help from

afar.

 

I have come to believe that there are no limits to the healing that can

be achieved and the main way to be healed is to figure out how to

release whatever beliefs or thoughts are standing in our way. These are

within our ability as long as we keep open minds to learn new methods.

Things that we have all been taught (including in metaphysical circles)

have served us in those times, but now is a different time and there

will be new things to learn and old beliefs to release.

 

Love, Lezlee

[Guest guest]

Dearest Crystal.

 

No One was offended by your words. I love that you are new to the

group and you reached out to another in love. I had to go back and

reread the posts to see why you felt that way. Duh, I should have

done that before my post.

 

I was responding on Peggy's caution and I think Angelina explained

it very well about coming up against the FDA. Being accused to

practicing medicine. Sites all over the web on alternative methods

of healing, have placed a disclaimer to protect themselves from this.

 

And yes, I too feel that the person/client is the true healer. We

act from a space of love, hoping to open another with various

healing modalities, to the power/Divine within them to heal

themselves.

 

Personally, my way around the FDA, is I offer healing (unadvertised

because I couldn't handle the rush) for all for the sense of joy it

brings me. Because I do not charge, I do not worry about the FDA.

No one seems to be very interested in what you are doing if you make

no money. LOL... When I teach I explain the taboo of saying

anything that could be misconstrued to " practicing Medicine " .

 

I believe we practice " Unconditional Love " .

 

Just my 2 cents Honey. Know that you are loved unconditionally and I

look forward to more posts from you.

In the Light,

Samanthaa43

 

http:/SoulDiscoveryThruReiki

 

, Crystal Rose

<crystal87654> wrote:

> I am truely sorry for offending Anyone. I> This was my First post

to the group, and I fell VERY unwelcome here.

[Guest guest]

Hmmmm.

I agree whole heartedly with what has been said.

As a nurse and a healer I have had to play these word games.

But, it is frustrating having to walk that line around a system I do not

even believe in anymore. Maybe its time to create a " word " base the serves

the needs of people who discuss things in the vibrational realm. This would

eliminate any potential confusion. But, I know that this is not about

confusion or protecting the masses of people. It is about control. Just my

humble 2 cents worth.

I realize this is not the forum to go into details. But it is something

that has to be in our minds if we use stones on anyone but ourselves, or

talk about stones to other people. Sad, but true.

Dana Weaver

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I wanted to add just a few words here, I am a Cherokee Spiritual Healer and

Herbalist, I Diagnose all the time, I charge no fee, you see you can hand out

advice to anyone as long as its free, also there is a nine month coarse that

you can take to make you aware of the rules etc., when deal with practices,

I have been practicing now for Twenty seven years, yes you must be care but

at the same time you must also know your rights and use them to your

advantage, you see we are our keeper, our beliefs are our shield and the bill

of

rights cover us there, we have the right to practice our religion and all that

goes with it, hope this helps Kakamaysama

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you So much for your email.

I have also learned alot from this discussion, but most of all ,,is that I did

NOT word it right, as one person brought to my attention. I should have worded

it as " MAYBE caused by;;, and so on...lol

But anyway,,ALL of the post have made sense, and I just over reacted.

Thanks again.

Hugs and Smiles

Crystal

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Crystal Rose & All-

 

> Crystal Rose, I am very stimulated by this conversation and KNOW that

> this is not intended to hurt you in any way. Thank you for starting

> this conversation.

 

I just wanted to echo the above that my replies weren't intended to

hurt you and, in a larger, sense really had less to do with what you

specifically offered, which I know was offered in a spirit of support,

and more about the matter in general. Perhaps I should have been more

careful to make that clear. I'm sorry about that.

 

In Love,

Fabeku

[Guest guest]

Dana & All-

 

>

Maybe its time to create a " word " base the serves

the needs of people who discuss things in the vibrational realm.

<snip>

But it is something that has to be in our minds if we use stones on

anyone but ourselves, or talk about stones to other people.

>

 

That's a very valid point. To keep things on topic I'll refer to my

own dances with the stone spirits.

 

I am always very careful to let people know that I am (obviously) not

a doctor and am not offering anything that can be considered a

substitute for proper medical care, physical, psychological or

otherwise.

 

Further, if I talk about dis-ease, I speak of things purely from a

spiritual perspective. I am not and will not suggest that a certain

dis-ease is due to this or that, but rather that " spiritually

seeking " one may consider the following. In that way it is an

addition to, rather than a substitute for, the information the

allopathic medical community may offer.

 

As for the laying-on-of-stones and similar dances I always make it

very, very clear that these are dances that offer " adjunct spiritual

support only, " and that it is not intended to treat or diagnose

anything. It is hard to interpret spiritual support as practicing

medicine, especially when the intentions are clearly presented.

 

I do think the FDA is a real risk. I think we would do well to be

careful in our languaging and practice, so as not to even give the

appearance of attempting to practice medicine. I lay heavy on the

disclaimers for precisely that reason.

 

Interesting discussion on many levels...

 

In Love,

Fabeku

[Guest guest]

Dearest Kakamaysama,

 

I know this response is not timely and I apologize for that.

 

Diagnosing, treating and prescribing are ok as long as you do not charge for it

as you pointed out. In my 27 years of practice I have been wholly protected by

one factor...I DO THIS FOR FREE...works everytime!

 

Lovelight,

Sela

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TheKgscherQn4Evr

Wednesday, July 06, 2005 8:37 PM

Re: [CrystalHW] Re: Causes for illness / No diagnosing / To All

 

 

I wanted to add just a few words here, I am a Cherokee Spiritual Healer and

Herbalist, I Diagnose all the time, I charge no fee, you see you can hand out

advice to anyone as long as its free, also there is a nine month coarse that

you can take to make you aware of the rules etc., when deal with practices,

I have been practicing now for Twenty seven years, yes you must be care but

at the same time you must also know your rights and use them to your

advantage, you see we are our keeper, our beliefs are our shield and the

bill of

rights cover us there, we have the right to practice our religion and all

that

goes with it, hope this helps Kakamaysama

 

 

[Guest guest]

Friends-

 

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Diagnosing, treating and prescribing are ok as long as you do not

charge for it as you pointed out.

>

 

People may want to check this out with legal sorces as two friends of

mine that work for the government have said otherwise. I also know a

homeopathic doctor that got into serious legal trouble, though they

worked for free.

 

The issue is practicing medicine without a license, or appearing that

way to the government. The price one does or doesn't charge is a

secondary consideration, at best.

 

In Love,

Fabeku

[Guest guest]

It is different in certain states, there are those states that do not

require a licensee and those that that require a course and certain number of

hours to get a certificate to practice, where I live you only need either a

nine

month course or a two hundred hours of actual apprenticeship, As long as you

are not passing yourself off as a doctor, you can practice and give advise,

and help people, there is a difference in handing out herbal remedies without

a licensee, and giving advice on how to use herbs to help yourself healthy

and avoid disease, which is what a real herbalist does, they do not diagnose

a person and give them herbs to treat them,

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Someone said Diagnosing, treating and prescribing are ok as long as you

do not

 

>charge for it

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Fabakus' information fits with what I've always been told . I think it

may vary somewhat depending on your local laws But I strongly suspect

that the people who diagnose may simply be lucky that they have not

caught the attention of those who enforce the applicable laws or could

be covered by some particular situation under those laws. I know that

in San Mateo and San Francsico Counties when I lived there One had to be

quite careful whether or not on charged. Even when I was working

under the Supervision of a Buddhist Church ( as a lay leader) and later

as a nondenominational ordained Minister. We were advised not to

diagnose and 2 of my Friends who were Tarot readers as well as healing

practitioners were warned by the county that they could not say

anything that might be construed as diagnosis .

 

Peggy Jentoft

 

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>People may want to check this out with legal sorces as two friends of mine that

work for the government have said otherwise. I also know a homeopathic doctor

that got into serious legal trouble, though they worked for free.

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>The issue is practicing medicine without a license, or appearing that way to

the government. The price one does or doesn't charge is a secondary

consideration, at best.

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>In Love,

>Fabeku

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