Fwd: Thought Fields that Help People Grow...

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creative_energies , " kahunamaker "

<kahunamaker> wrote:

> For some time, I have questioned my motivation as a healer - am I

>in this for private reasons to do with power and escapism - or

> am I in it for the good of all as total equal sentient beings on

>this planet? I will question this for as long as I live because at

>any time it is possible to become ensnared with private temptation.

>This continually leads me in into a spiritual dimension and to a

> consideration of ethical ground-rules.

 

I feel for your concern.

 

And, I'm NOT a healer, and I've heard Donna state at least 50 or so

times that she does not think of herself as a healer...

 

....she thinks of herself as a " trainer " , which I also think of

myself...

 

....but, I do have a question, " is it okay to help someone and

accidentally help YOURSELF at the same time? "

 

For example, Donna talks about how using energy for someone else,

also helps the energy of the one doing the energy technology...

 

If you are doing Grid work, you are becoming a conduit of energy for

the person with a broken Grid, so you become jumper cables and help

them heal that break. That energy flow also does great

stuff " accidentally " for your own energies...

 

If you are doing the 15 minute Brazilian Toe Technique, not only

does that technique really cause a positive flow in the other

person, but it causes a positive flow in you...

 

When holding the Electrical Points behind the head, not only does it

cause major healing in the person being held, but it causes major

positive energy shifts in the person doing the holding...

 

Even in something as simple as tracing the Meridians, when you trace

theirs, YOU also get an energy charge...

 

In Energy Psychology, when you tap for someone else, if you first

access a perturbance (negative thought form in your own energy

field), then focus totally on helping the other person reduce his

trauma from a 10 on the SUDS, down to a zero, YOUR own perturbance,

even though you are NOT focusing on it, is also reduced way down,

just by doing the drill on her...

 

If you are doing Remote Healing for someone else, and you happen to

have the same concerns, YOU ALSO get the same healing as the person

you are remotely working on...

 

....and these accidental positive consequences seem to happen all

over the board...

 

> I recently had a student - he was with me for several years. No

>matter how the group worked with him it was clear that he was so

> internally broken that he was not responsible enough to use

>powerful esoteric knowledge - that was kept secret for millenia

>just for that reason.

 

Maybe so, though historically that version of " secrecy " does not

hold water in most cases I know about and I'm a very studied person

with much experience...

 

....so, give a specific verifiable example if you may? Please. Just

so I can learn?

 

....history seems to have many other versions than that.

 

First, ie, in the Secret Teachings of the Hawaiian Kahuna...

 

Many/most of the teachings were kept secret for reasons of jealousy

and of self-preservation, and of fear from those that opposed them...

 

....In Hawaii, after 1820 until the religious freedom act of 1978, if

you were caught doing a chant, or practicing any aspect of Esoteric

Hawaiian Teachings, you were thrown in jail!

 

....and, before that, those secret teachings were only allowed to the

Ali'i class, the class of royalty. It was a very strong caste

system, reinforced with the death penalty. A control device. A power

device.

 

(Here I'm refering to the esoteric teachings, and NOT to the canoe

building, or the planting of yams, nor to lomi lomi.)

 

....than, much else was kept secret because it was NOT secret, but

did require a SPECIFIC MASTERY level before it could work for a

person.

 

Their teachings took 15-20 years, then you had to pass a test.

 

Let me switch the topic to Physics and give an isomorphic example,

if I may.

 

For example, higher level Physics is NOT secret, but Stephen Hawkins

would not waste a breath of air with me talking about Physics.

 

I'm too far down the Physics scale to converse with him about his

FIELD OF MASTERY!

 

So, to me, he is keeping secrets. To him, I'm not smart enough to

bother with.

 

But, in this case, and in the case of many complex fields like

ENERGY MEDICINE, Like NLP, Like Energy Psychology, blab, blab,

blab,...

 

....there are no secrets...

 

....just lots and lots of study, practice, and experience...

 

Then, of course another reason things are being erased is because of

fear...and all the different stages of being fear driven...

 

....especially if you have power, if you have an army that will do

anything you tell them to...

 

Going back in history to Heliopolis (one of the learning places of

John the Baptist and Jesus), and to Alexandria (the biggest library

of the ancient world)...

 

....both of those famous places of learning had their vast libraries

of 50,000 plus books, clay tablets, and ancient teachings destroyed

by people ATTEMPTING TO DUMB DOWN the rest of the world...

 

....people that wanted to hold back the knowledge that would help

people think better, reach a spiritual path better, become self-

reliant...

 

....my gosh, it does sound like Bush and his latest war??? Just

kidding, right, Michael Moore?

 

....which does concern me...as does your following paragraph...

 

> He was so determined to make money and create a following, so keen

>to find in the techniques ways to " control " others, that we were

> privately shuddering. What would happen if someone with these

>attitudes really succeeds in taking power over other people's lives?

 

Well, what would happen?

 

In my mind, " a little knowledge is a dangerous thing " ...

 

By this, I mean that, supposing he is using secrets of Covert

Hypnosis to get lusty young females to covert with him wildly...

 

....suppose he does know how-to-smile and send positive energy from

his Heart Chakra to an attractive female, as he unzipps her Central

Meridian and then weaves figure 8's between the two of them...

 

....building up a specific type of rapport so that she likes him...

 

....if the Law of Attraction is valid (I think that it is), then who

specifically is harmed?

 

Aren't both getting what they want? Because it just won't work

unless it is valid...

 

....and, isn't it a natural normal UNCONSCIOUS process of growth in

everyone anyhow?

 

In fact, if they don't go through that natural normal UNCONSCIOUS

process successfully, aren't those the sick ones?

 

....Let's say that a person, like Donna, for instance, happens to

spend 25 years of her adult life learning a skill, and then decides

that she wants to leave that skill to as many people as possible on

this planet before she crosses over...

 

....ISN'T THAT ALSO THE " LAW OF ATTRACTION " ?

 

Those people, ME AND YOU, who want that training, are willing to

follow her all over the world to get it, aren't we?

 

Now, switching the circuits a bit, I do give seminars...and I do

private trainings(PLEASE, I'm not looking for any more clients)...

 

....and I also pick and choose those who I want to train.

 

I just DON'T LIKE certain people! And there are others that I really

like and appreciate, and love to train!

 

And, for me to teach those I don't like, train them, work with them,

is not good for me, nor would it be good for them...so I choose to

recommend them to other trainers...

 

....I tell them, " I suggest you go and see Dr. Fred Young. He

specializes in ADD " ...and I call Fred and tell him I'm sending over

a new client, which he really does appreciate because he's a very

smart Earth/Metal element...

 

Which is just more of the Law of Attraction, is it not?

 

Above, you called your student " internally broken " ...

 

....I've no clue what " internally broken " means, even though you

followed it with, " make money " ...

 

....and in my humble opinion, " making money " is a very nice

attribute, since if he makes money he doesn't need to be on

welfare...

 

....nor does he need to go to mommy or daddy for a handout, and

he/she does not need to sue for alimony...

 

....nor does he need to rob a Circle K for money, or pan-handle on

the street corners, wearing a sign saying, " God Bless You...I'v a

Vet...Give Me Money, Please " ...

 

....it's nice that he actually wants to support himself, is it not?

 

....then you state " he was with you for several years " ...

 

Why?

 

If you knew what he wanted, but felt you could not teach him, why

did you accept him outwardly into your group, BUT " covertly " you

refused to give him what he came to you for...

 

Please help me out...

 

....that double standard makes no sense to me.

 

In fact, 24 years ago, in NLP I was in the same situation where my

trainer (and his wife) gave other people " different training " but

held back certain teachings from me.

 

His wife was afraid I'd abuse them...

 

....I was smart enough to see it, and we had a little talk...then we

parted ways...

 

....and I went to the #1 person (Dr. Richard Bandler)in the world for

that training, bypassing the " small minded " in the process.

 

One thing I like about Donna is her SPIRIT...

 

....in fact, someday I want to grow up and know as much about energy

as she does...

 

Anyway. I'm Just curious about your conflict of standards, so I was

wondering if you could help me understand?

 

And...

 

....I do have one more question.

 

What does this mean, " good of all as total equal sentient beings " ?

 

What do you mean by " equal " ?

 

What do you mean by " sentient " ?

 

What do you mean by " being " ?

 

....and, are you taking into account reincarnation?

 

It does not appear to me that you are, but I could be mistaken...

 

....and, are you taking into account past mistakes and past learnings?

 

I do know that Donna does BOTH of the above.

 

In fact, Donna says, " Sometimes a physical or emotional condition

will NOT respond to an intervention...in such cases a deep pattern

from the person's past has become embedded. The pattern may even

trace to a previous lifetime, ancestral pattern, or a collective

energy from the past... "

 

It appears to me (maybe I should use the word, " feel " or, " intuition "

here so it does not seem that I'm diagnosing? Which I'm not) that

your gentleman might have what Donna calls a " morphic field " , " an

invisible force that shapes physical structures as well as thought

and behaviour(Donna Eden)... "

 

....and, I've found out with my own clients, that teaching them the

skills that they want, WILL EVOLVE them in a way that they don't

normally chunk up to...

 

....so, when they get the new skill, they also become new and better

people...

 

....like with Remote Viewing...once someone can do it from a point of

their Higher Ideals, they then seem to no longer need to peek into

naked women's bedrooms, but start to use those skills for other

purposes...

 

....just like an adolescent will peek into the girls shower room when

he's 11, but hopefully he will be peeking elsewhere when he's 60.

 

We are all on our own individual paths, and where ever we are at,

that spot is perfect for what we need to learn, is it not?

 

Just wondering???

 

Hopefully my questions about YOUR post will not offend anyone on

this list.

 

I'm just curious.

 

John M. La Tourrette

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