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creative_energies , " tony_lafayette "

<tony_lafayette> wrote:

Hi,

I have been following this thread with some amusement. Perhaps the

best way to clarify our thoughts on this is to return to the

text?

Lest we use Donna's name in vain, let me quote directly from Donna's

book:

 

On being a healer (as opposed to a trainer or whatever):

 

" You need only knock on the door to arouse the two-million-year-old

healer within you " Page 24

 

On spirituality, soul-work, sentient beings and humility:

 

" I think of the soul as the spark of Spirit that infuses the body

with life and the brain with consciousness...to work with a person's

energy is to touch a soul as well as a body. Ironically, the deeper

you enter into the life of your personal soul, the more fully you

identify with your roots in the life of a universal, unifying

intelligent spirit... " Page 20

 

On the dangers of energy workers " abusing the light " :

 

" I know a man whose sixth chakra's more subtle abilities are

amazingly strong. He supports himself by renting it out - using his

psychic powers to serve and impress others - but his second, third,

abd fourth chakras are not welll developed. Still, he has

gathered a considerable following, and because he could trade on the

gifts of his sixth chakra, he simply did not grow in his ability

to love or respect others. He remains in control, has no sense of

allowing a balance of power with others, and lives in a world of

heirarchies where he is always on top. Because his throat and root

chakra are also strong, he has no difficulty in speaking his truth

or wielding his power, and he is ruthless. While we live in a world

that makes gurus out of people with strong psychic powers, we

do them a disservice if we do not insist that they open their hearts

and tame their egos as well. And we do a disservice to ourselves if

we make them authorities over our own deeper sources of knowledge "

Page 160

 

Finally, on spirituality and the sanctity of healing:

 

" I, in fact, love being tuned into that realm. From it I feel in

touch with deeper truths and perceptions. I see beauty and

perfection...To simply imagine the mystical zone is a knock on its

door. To actively pursue it is a turn of the key. If you frequent

this world- pursuing and entering it through meditation, ritual,

sacred plants, healing work, or spontaneous grace - you know that

my attempts to capture it with words are inadequate. If you do not,

knock at its door from time to time...and be receptive to the

advent of mystery....

Blessed be " Page 353

 

I think Donna says it better than I ever could,

 

best wishes,

 

 

 

 

 

 

creative_energies , " vibrationalhealer2000 "

<vibrationalhealer2000> wrote:

> Greetings Clara, John and Colleagues,

>

> I feel called to intervene here. May my words be received with the

open spirit in which they are sent...

>

>

> John:

> > By this, I mean that, supposing he is using secrets of Covert

> > Hypnosis to get lusty young females to covert with him wildly...

> >

> > ...suppose he does know how-to-smile and send positive energy

from

> > his Heart Chakra to an attractive female, as he unzipps her

Central

> > Meridian and then weaves figure 8's between the two of them...

> >

> > ...building up a specific type of rapport so that she likes

him...

> >

> > ...if the Law of Attraction is valid (I think that it is), then

who

> > specifically is harmed?

> >

> > Aren't both getting what they want? Because it just won't work

> > unless it is valid...

> >

> Tom:

>

> And the holocaust - from Clara's original post... Would you say

that was the law of attraction? The Jews getting what they wanted?

> How about rape, child abuse and murder? Is that the law of

attraction. Can the law of attraction itself be abused to deny

> responsibility? And what would that mean if someone had energetic

skills they were abusing? Let's say they caused someone to

> crash their car by scrambling their energies. Could they justify

it by saying " it was the law of attraction?

>

> I think we could distinguish between the law of attraction and the

power of intention - because they are two different forms of

> energy.

>

> Medical doctors have used their knowledge to deliberately kill

patients. Others have sexually abused patients. When a person has

> lost his sense of personal boundaries and has no high intention

other than gratifying his own needs, there is great danger. This is

> with conventional medicine - how much more so with the medicine of

the spirit?

>

> And if I were judge - the plea " it was the law of attraction -

they wanted it! " ... well.

>

> John:

>

> > And...

> >

> > ...I do have one more question.

> >

> > What does this mean, " good of all as total equal sentient

beings " ?

> >

> > What do you mean by " equal " ?

> >

> > What do you mean by " sentient " ?

> >

> > What do you mean by " being " ?

> >

>

>

> Tom:

>

> I don't know what Clara meant but a " being " is a life - in its

core state. " Sentient " means it has feelings for other

beings. " Equal "

> means that in the deepest sense we are all one substance. For all

the learnings and acquirements in the world, for all the knowledge

> esoteric and exoteric, I am no greater or less in a real sense

than a female Chinese house cleaner.

>

> Perhaps humility can be found in this perception? Healing humility?

>

> John:

>

> > ...like with Remote Viewing...once someone can do it from a

point of

> > their Higher Ideals, they then seem to no longer need to peek

into

> > naked women's bedrooms, but start to use those skills for other

> > purposes...

> >

> > ...just like an adolescent will peek into the girls shower room

when

> > he's 11, but hopefully he will be peeking elsewhere when he's 60.

>

> Tom:

>

> I am not sure what this is - remote viewing. But given the above

description it does sound like an unethical enfringement of a

> person's boundaries.

>

> John, you write at great length and with much confusion, and with

small sense of energetic boundaries. I wonder, if you could

> condense your point to one sentence, what you would choose to say?

>

> Respectfully,

>

> Tom

--- End forwarded message ---

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creative_energies , " maximillianhall "

<maximillianhall@h...> wrote:

>

> I think Donna says it better than I ever could,

>

> best wishes,

>

>

 

 

 

Sound nice but from what I've gathered Donnas book was actualy

written by David Feinstein, and with that in mind I see Donnas book

as the thoughts and Ideas of an Earth/Fire filtered through a

Metal.

I feel that there is something lost in translation. Not that I'm

putting down the book cause it is excellent, its just that every

time

I ask my girlfreind to relay a message for me to someone my heavy

wood personality gets muted by my girl freinds earth/fire viewpoint.

 

Just a thought.

 

 

Max Edwards

The MaddMan from

the backwoods of Oregon,

expanding his mind and

thinking at the speed of gravity!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

>

> creative_energies , " vibrationalhealer2000 "

<vibrationalhealer2000> wrote:

> > Greetings Clara, John and Colleagues,

> >

> > I feel called to intervene here. May my words be received with

the open spirit in which they are sent...

> >

> >

> > John:

> > > By this, I mean that, supposing he is using secrets of Covert

> > > Hypnosis to get lusty young females to covert with him

wildly...

> > >

> > > ...suppose he does know how-to-smile and send positive energy

from

> > > his Heart Chakra to an attractive female, as he unzipps her

Central

> > > Meridian and then weaves figure 8's between the two of them...

> > >

> > > ...building up a specific type of rapport so that she likes

him...

> > >

> > > ...if the Law of Attraction is valid (I think that it is),

then

who

> > > specifically is harmed?

> > >

> > > Aren't both getting what they want? Because it just won't work

> > > unless it is valid...

> > >

> > Tom:

> >

> > And the holocaust - from Clara's original post... Would you say

that was the law of attraction? The Jews getting what they wanted?

> > How about rape, child abuse and murder? Is that the law of

attraction. Can the law of attraction itself be abused to deny

> > responsibility? And what would that mean if someone had

energetic

skills they were abusing? Let's say they caused someone to

> > crash their car by scrambling their energies. Could they justify

it by saying " it was the law of attraction?

> >

> > I think we could distinguish between the law of attraction and

the power of intention - because they are two different forms of

> > energy.

> >

> > Medical doctors have used their knowledge to deliberately kill

patients. Others have sexually abused patients. When a person has

> > lost his sense of personal boundaries and has no high intention

other than gratifying his own needs, there is great danger. This is

> > with conventional medicine - how much more so with the medicine

of the spirit?

> >

> > And if I were judge - the plea " it was the law of attraction -

they wanted it! " ... well.

> >

> > John:

> >

> > > And...

> > >

> > > ...I do have one more question.

> > >

> > > What does this mean, " good of all as total equal sentient

beings " ?

> > >

> > > What do you mean by " equal " ?

> > >

> > > What do you mean by " sentient " ?

> > >

> > > What do you mean by " being " ?

> > >

> >

> >

> > Tom:

> >

> > I don't know what Clara meant but a " being " is a life - in its

core state. " Sentient " means it has feelings for other

beings. " Equal "

> > means that in the deepest sense we are all one substance. For

all the learnings and acquirements in the world, for all the

knowledge

> > esoteric and exoteric, I am no greater or less in a real sense

than a female Chinese house cleaner.

> >

> > Perhaps humility can be found in this perception? Healing

humility?

> >

> > John:

> >

> > > ...like with Remote Viewing...once someone can do it from a

point of

> > > their Higher Ideals, they then seem to no longer need to peek

into

> > > naked women's bedrooms, but start to use those skills for

other

> > > purposes...

> > >

> > > ...just like an adolescent will peek into the girls shower

room

when

> > > he's 11, but hopefully he will be peeking elsewhere when he's

60.

> >

> > Tom:

> >

> > I am not sure what this is - remote viewing. But given the above

description it does sound like an unethical enfringement of a

> > person's boundaries.

> >

> > John, you write at great length and with much confusion, and

with

small sense of energetic boundaries. I wonder, if you could

> > condense your point to one sentence, what you would choose to

say?

> >

> > Respectfully,

> >

> > Tom

--- End forwarded message ---

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creative_energies , " tony_lafayette "

<tony_lafayette> wrote:

Dear Max,

 

I muse over your post and wonder what your point is and motivation.

Are you saying that because David helped Donna write the

book, then the book is invalid as a reference? By implication does

that make David's input invalid? By further implication, that the

source text for this discussion group is unreliable and we should

depend on the dubious authorities of heresay instead? And have you

ever heard Donna contradict anything written in her book?

 

Regarding wood/earth/fire and metal, we could consider the highly

evident possibility that we are all composed of all the elements

- although one might dominate. Otherwise it begins to look like a

comic-strip system of labelling - a little remniscent of tabloid

press astrology. We are perpetually in motion - and will never

become just " wood " or " metal " (God forbid!).

 

If you choose to dispense with Donna's powerful introduction to her

book on soul-work and spirituality, and her powerful

conclusion to her book on soul-work and spirituality (which she says

could be a subject for a whole new book), and with her

poignant warnings and advice in between, then really, the loss if

yours, and it is a profound loss.

 

It is hard for me to understand your need to invalidate Donna and

David. But I am still working on my ability to understand others,

and myself.

 

Respectfully,

 

 

 

 

 

> Sound nice but from what I've gathered Donnas book was actualy

> written by David Feinstein, and with that in mind I see Donnas

book

> as the thoughts and Ideas of an Earth/Fire filtered through a

Metal.

> I feel that there is something lost in translation. Not that I'm

> putting down the book cause it is excellent, its just that every

time

> I ask my girlfreind to relay a message for me to someone my heavy

> wood personality gets muted by my girl freinds earth/fire

viewpoint.

>

> Just a thought.

>

>

> Max Edwards

> The MaddMan from

> the backwoods of Oregon,

> expanding his mind and

> thinking at the speed of gravity!

>

>

>

> >

> > --- In

creative_energies , " vibrationalhealer2000 "

> <vibrationalhealer2000> wrote:

> > > Greetings Clara, John and Colleagues,

> > >

> > > I feel called to intervene here. May my words be received with

> the open spirit in which they are sent...

> > >

> > >

> > > John:

> > > > By this, I mean that, supposing he is using secrets of

Covert

> > > > Hypnosis to get lusty young females to covert with him

wildly...

> > > >

> > > > ...suppose he does know how-to-smile and send positive

energy

> from

> > > > his Heart Chakra to an attractive female, as he unzipps her

> Central

> > > > Meridian and then weaves figure 8's between the two of

them...

> > > >

> > > > ...building up a specific type of rapport so that she likes

> him...

> > > >

> > > > ...if the Law of Attraction is valid (I think that it is),

then

> who

> > > > specifically is harmed?

> > > >

> > > > Aren't both getting what they want? Because it just won't

work

> > > > unless it is valid...

> > > >

> > > Tom:

> > >

> > > And the holocaust - from Clara's original post... Would you

say

> that was the law of attraction? The Jews getting what they wanted?

> > > How about rape, child abuse and murder? Is that the law of

> attraction. Can the law of attraction itself be abused to deny

> > > responsibility? And what would that mean if someone had

energetic

> skills they were abusing? Let's say they caused someone to

> > > crash their car by scrambling their energies. Could they

justify

> it by saying " it was the law of attraction?

> > >

> > > I think we could distinguish between the law of attraction and

> the power of intention - because they are two different forms of

> > > energy.

> > >

> > > Medical doctors have used their knowledge to deliberately kill

> patients. Others have sexually abused patients. When a person has

> > > lost his sense of personal boundaries and has no high

intention

> other than gratifying his own needs, there is great danger. This

is

> > > with conventional medicine - how much more so with the

medicine

> of the spirit?

> > >

> > > And if I were judge - the plea " it was the law of attraction -

> they wanted it! " ... well.

> > >

> > > John:

> > >

> > > > And...

> > > >

> > > > ...I do have one more question.

> > > >

> > > > What does this mean, " good of all as total equal sentient

> beings " ?

> > > >

> > > > What do you mean by " equal " ?

> > > >

> > > > What do you mean by " sentient " ?

> > > >

> > > > What do you mean by " being " ?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Tom:

> > >

> > > I don't know what Clara meant but a " being " is a life - in its

> core state. " Sentient " means it has feelings for other

> beings. " Equal "

> > > means that in the deepest sense we are all one substance. For

> all the learnings and acquirements in the world, for all the

> knowledge

> > > esoteric and exoteric, I am no greater or less in a real sense

> than a female Chinese house cleaner.

> > >

> > > Perhaps humility can be found in this perception? Healing

> humility?

> > >

> > > John:

> > >

> > > > ...like with Remote Viewing...once someone can do it from a

> point of

> > > > their Higher Ideals, they then seem to no longer need to

peek

> into

> > > > naked women's bedrooms, but start to use those skills for

other

> > > > purposes...

> > > >

> > > > ...just like an adolescent will peek into the girls shower

room

> when

> > > > he's 11, but hopefully he will be peeking elsewhere when

he's

> 60.

> > >

> > > Tom:

> > >

> > > I am not sure what this is - remote viewing. But given the

above

> description it does sound like an unethical enfringement of a

> > > person's boundaries.

> > >

> > > John, you write at great length and with much confusion, and

with

> small sense of energetic boundaries. I wonder, if you could

> > > condense your point to one sentence, what you would choose to

say?

> > >

> > > Respectfully,

> > >

> > > Tom

--- End forwarded message ---