Dampness -- What is it, how to cure it?

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Get the book tongue diagnosis in chinese medicine by giovanni maciocia. Sounds

to me like you have a half interior half exterior condition with yang

deficiency. The dampness can be yin deficieny which will cause your tongue to

swell (I think this is a protective reaction of the body) or as I mentioned yang

deficiency. Look for a three treasures herbal formula since individual herbs

don't seem to work for you and of course do the vitamin thing, I recommend the

walgreen's super aytinal for active people or one a day. If I think of anything

else I will let you know. Since your tongue is pale you will have to watch out

for eating too many cold foods and liquids, try the three treasures formula

herbal sentinal yang as well

 

apchat2000 <apchat wrote:

 

I've seen several acupuncturists/herbalists over the last 2 years

for dampness, and have no answer as to how to cure my problem. I

spent $2500 from 2004-2005 alone! My symptoms are not imagined.

Perhaps you can help.

 

I'm 37 and my entire body is numb, I have a thick white-yellow

coating on a pale tongue, and am exceptionally lethargic, despite

how much sleep I get. I have " brain fog " that never goes away,

making it difficult to think and remember things.

 

The brain fog used to get much worse after I ate dairy products. A

month of probiotics helped, but the brain fog never goes away. I've

had these problems for the last 2 years without a break.

 

Acupuncture and Asian herbs have not helped. I've taken licorice

and goldenseal, but nothing gets rid of the brain fog. I've been

tested for the candida antigen in my blood (normal level) and don't

have gas, belching or diarrhea. Everything is digested. Avoiding

dairy doesn't kill the brain fog.

 

The $2500 has told me that my thyroid is fine, there's no risk of

seizures (MRI, EEG), and an ear/nose/throat dr. said the thick

coating isn't abnormal. An internist insists I get an overnight

test for sleep apnea (for the lethargy), which I KNOW is not the

answer. The problem is trying to cure my problem w/o a lot of

worthless Western medical tests.

 

I'm guessing that " dampness " is candiasis or a version of it? How

do you treat it? I'd just as soon not go on a candida diet (no

starches or sugar for several months), but don't know what to do.

Any suggestions as to herbs to take (with doses), or how long before

results are seen? Many thanks for any suggestions!

 

 

Glenn Allen

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello Glenn...Dampness is one of the more difficult pathogens to treat, even

through acupuncture and herbal medicine. Your symptoms have persisted for two

years, which as you may know, can be considered chronic. It seems that you have

seen L.Acupuncturists over the years, but the duration of your treatment is not

clear. I believe it is crucial for you to have a more intricate diagnoses from

a Doctor of Oriental Medicine. Your signs indicate a diagnoses of dampness

(thick white coat, lethargy, increased sleep), but the treatment is complex and

often dynamic. In other words, if you choose to administer , it

will need to be a commitment. The herbal formulas, in my opinion, should be

liquid or raw herbs, designed specifically for your diagnoses. These formulas

should contain 8-15 different herbs designed to work synergistic ally. I do not

believe that the " Chinese tea pills " are very effective for remedy. I have

found that people benefit from using different

modalities in conjunction with , such as combining Western

nutrition, massage, supervised detoxification programs etc...

 

I would like to add that translating " Dampness " into is a

tricky call. It would not be appropriate to translate Dampness into Western

terminology, as these medicines are based on completely different paradigms.

With this said, I am willing to offer some parallels. I have seen patients

diagnosed with Dampness whom have had Western diagnoses such as Candida, high

lipid counts, leaky gut syndrome, over weight, fibromyalgia, epilepsy, mental

disorders etc... Since you also have numbness, low memory and pale tongue, your

diagnoses must portray a fuller picture. An example of a more intricate

diagnoses may be : Dampness in the middle jiao, liver qi stagnation, and heart

blood deficiency. This is only an example. What happened 2 years ago with the

onset of your symptoms? What organ system is weakened? If you do have Blood

Deficiency, is it secondary to the Dampness? This is where pulse diagnoses,

body type, and complete history of complaint are important.

 

Sorry there are not easier answers. I wish you the best of luck in your journey

to health and I commend you on your willingness to know your body and look for

resolutions. You are your own health.

 

Lori Scott, L.Ac.Tex.

apchat2000 <apchat wrote:

 

I finally found the " fox nuts " I posted about earlier. They were

sold in the Asian grocer under their Latin name!

 

I've seen several acupuncturists/herbalists over the last 2 years

for dampness, and have no answer as to how to cure my problem. I

spent $2500 from 2004-2005 alone! My symptoms are not imagined.

Perhaps you can help.

 

I'm 37 and my entire body is numb, I have a thick white-yellow

coating on a pale tongue, and am exceptionally lethargic, despite

how much sleep I get. I have " brain fog " that never goes away,

making it difficult to think and remember things.

 

The brain fog used to get much worse after I ate dairy products. A

month of probiotics helped, but the brain fog never goes away. I've

had these problems for the last 2 years without a break.

 

Acupuncture and Asian herbs have not helped. I've taken licorice

and goldenseal, but nothing gets rid of the brain fog. I've been

tested for the candida antigen in my blood (normal level) and don't

have gas, belching or diarrhea. Everything is digested. Avoiding

dairy doesn't kill the brain fog.

 

The $2500 has told me that my thyroid is fine, there's no risk of

seizures (MRI, EEG), and an ear/nose/throat dr. said the thick

coating isn't abnormal. An internist insists I get an overnight

test for sleep apnea (for the lethargy), which I KNOW is not the

answer. The problem is trying to cure my problem w/o a lot of

worthless Western medical tests.

 

I'm guessing that " dampness " is candiasis or a version of it? How

do you treat it? I'd just as soon not go on a candida diet (no

starches or sugar for several months), but don't know what to do.

Any suggestions as to herbs to take (with doses), or how long before

results are seen? Many thanks for any suggestions!

 

 

Glenn Allen

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Glenn,

 

I'm sorry to hear you spent so much money on tests that told you next

to nothing.

 

The simple answer to your question is to go to a Traditional Chinese

Medicine (TCM) practioner and get a consultation.

 

Here is a link to an interesting article on treating obesity.

<http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2002/oct/10flaws.html> Many

of the " conditions " causing obesity can also cause dampness in persons

of any weight. This article also demonstrates how complex TCM is (and

why it is a good idea to seek the advice of an expert).

 

Caroline

[Guest guest]

Glenn:

 

look into edema. if you've got damp that signals water

problems, and the spleen regulates water function. you

do need to know what type of damp, and then whether it

is ascending or descending.

 

I wouldn't just take vitamins without careful

consideration, they may make your situation worse.

 

you may not wish to give up starches, but you may have

no choice. try living without them or wheat, as well

as dairy, and see if your health improves. you may

have allergies.

 

you may also wish to think about emotional issues that

might have triggered your problems. has anything major

occurred over the past few years that might have upset

you?

 

you've spent lots of money, but perhaps you need a

second opinion from another tcm practitioner. are

there other practitioners available where you live?

 

regards, jack

 

--- lamount harper <ljnyame wrote:

>

> Get the book tongue diagnosis in chinese medicine by

> giovanni maciocia. Sounds to me like you have a half

> interior half exterior condition with yang

> deficiency. The dampness can be yin deficieny which

> will cause your tongue to swell (I think this is a

> protective reaction of the body) or as I mentioned

> yang deficiency. Look for a three treasures herbal

> formula since individual herbs don't seem to work

> for you and of course do the vitamin thing, I

> recommend the walgreen's super aytinal for active

> people or one a day. If I think of anything else I

> will let you know. Since your tongue is pale you

> will have to watch out for eating too many cold

> foods and liquids, try the three treasures formula

> herbal sentinal yang as well

>

> apchat2000 <apchat wrote:

>

> I've seen several acupuncturists/herbalists over the

> last 2 years

> for dampness, and have no answer as to how to cure

> my problem. I

> spent $2500 from 2004-2005 alone! My symptoms are

> not imagined.

> Perhaps you can help.

>

> I'm 37 and my entire body is numb, I have a thick

> white-yellow

> coating on a pale tongue, and am exceptionally

> lethargic, despite

> how much sleep I get. I have " brain fog " that never

> goes away,

> making it difficult to think and remember things.

>

> The brain fog used to get much worse after I ate

> dairy products. A

> month of probiotics helped, but the brain fog never

> goes away. I've

> had these problems for the last 2 years without a

> break.

>

> Acupuncture and Asian herbs have not helped. I've

> taken licorice

> and goldenseal, but nothing gets rid of the brain

> fog. I've been

> tested for the candida antigen in my blood (normal

> level) and don't

> have gas, belching or diarrhea. Everything is

> digested. Avoiding

> dairy doesn't kill the brain fog.

>

> The $2500 has told me that my thyroid is fine,

> there's no risk of

> seizures (MRI, EEG), and an ear/nose/throat dr. said

> the thick

> coating isn't abnormal. An internist insists I get

> an overnight

> test for sleep apnea (for the lethargy), which I

> KNOW is not the

> answer. The problem is trying to cure my problem

> w/o a lot of

> worthless Western medical tests.

>

> I'm guessing that " dampness " is candiasis or a

> version of it? How

> do you treat it? I'd just as soon not go on a

> candida diet (no

> starches or sugar for several months), but don't

> know what to do.

> Any suggestions as to herbs to take (with doses), or

> how long before

> results are seen? Many thanks for any suggestions!

>

>

> Glenn Allen

>

>

>

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Caroline, for the sympathy and the link. Bob Flaws also

wrote " Arisal of the Clear, " which was interesting, but didnt' apply to

me (oddly!).

 

I've seen so many TCM's, and so far none have solved my problem. Of

the $2500, 60% was spent on acupuncturists and TCM's. Almost all were

dr's in China and were Asian (two things I made sure of), but in one

case, the guy was married to an Asian woman. Through all of this, I

don't really trust Western dr's, and begrudgingly trust TCM's as they

seem to think that my tongue coating says I am not well! haha! My

advice to members who are acupuncturists, if you can't solve someone's

problem, TELL THEM. Leading them on for weeks or jacking up the cost

of herbs ($25 for 2 wks' worth that costs $6 at the health store) will

breed resentment!

 

Thanks again for your post, Caroline.

 

Glenn

 

acupuncture , " c_bertorelli " <c_bertorelli>

wrote:

>

> Dear Glenn,

>

> I'm sorry to hear you spent so much money on tests that told you next

> to nothing.

>

> The simple answer to your question is to go to a Traditional Chinese

> Medicine (TCM) practioner and get a consultation.

>

[Guest guest]

acupuncture , Ms Lori Scott <loriandeli>

wrote:

> Hello Glenn...Dampness is one of the more difficult pathogens to

treat

 

Thanks for writing, Lori.

 

Yes, I've been told that dampness takes a while to cure, and I'd

stick to a diet or eat something revolting 3 times a day for a year

if it would eliminate this brain fog. I've seen several dr's of OM,

and have been disappointed when their treatments didn't pan out, even

after several weeks or months. It's like waiting for Christmas as a

kid, then being told Xmas isn't coming (as in " getting better " ).

Overall, the experience comes across that acupuncturists/Drs of OM

are out to make a buck. It might not be accurate, but that's how it

comes across. And I believe there's something to OM and that it

works, and I'll really believe it when it works for me!!

 

I've had a hard time finding reliable dr's of Oriental medicine. Is

there a database of some kind. Apparently, the " DOOM " degree means

nothing to the American medical community, but it is hard cking as to

who has it. The last woman I saw wasn't listed in any database and

got all her patients from word of mouth. She said the online

databases required a fee. There's no real Yellow Pages for a state

(NJ, for instance), only individual communities, which complicates

the searching.

 

I understand that it's hard translating the Chinese culture into

ours. Something is lost in the translation, and the Chinese see

things differently than we do.

 

I didnt' post this this time, but these symptoms came up 2 yrs ago

when I was taking Prozac/BuSpar. They'd been symptoms all along and

went away when I stopped the meds, but got worse and never went away

when I took and later stopped them this last time. So when Western

dr's hear this, they think it's imagined, letting them off the hook.

I don't think anyone knows what's wrong with me, and Westerners throw

it back on me. Frustrating.

 

 

Glenn

 

>

> I would like to add that translating " Dampness " into Chinese

Medicine is a tricky call.

 

>

> Lori Scott, L.Ac.Tex.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing your frustration Glenn.

 

One way to check credentials is to go to www.nccaom.org and check for

practitioners in your area. This is not a list members pay to be on,

but a list qualified practitioners must be on to practice in most

states. Chiropractors and MD's who do acupuncture will not be on the

NCCAOM list unless they have gone through the same extensive training as

L.Ac. or DOM's.

 

" Brain fog " , lethargy and a pale tongue may not be " dampness " related,

but could be " blood deficiency " instead. Traditionally your tongue

coating indicates dampness, but I find the tongue less reliable than the

pulses. Also you mention a history of depression which could indicate

Liver or Heart issues in Chinese medicine. A different diagnosis would

indicate a different treatment approach (and different herbs) with

potentially radically different results. Good herbal medicine can do

wonders, but you need to find a practitioner who will dispense real

herbs (either raw or in liquid extract form). The ready made " tea

pills " are not very effective. Also Chinese trained TCM doctors are not

always the best. Their training is quite narrow and mostly herbal. It

is only one branch of many in Oriental medicine and in my opinion the

one least effective for psychological or emotional issues.

 

I'm sure there are some practitioners that are just trying to make a

buck, but most of us are genuinely trying to help as best we can given

our training and experience. If your condition is indeed dampness, then

it will likely take months to years to see results. There may be more

cost effective options available to you than OM and a good OM

practitioner would suggest this.

 

Always look for someone who has your best interest in mind and not their

own pocketbook. I need to make a living and I do make a profit on my

services and herbs, but I've sold my soul once I trade the best interest

of my patients for money. I believe that prosperity will come when I

can help people so that they feel they have gotten more value from my

services than it cost them.

 

Best of luck!

 

Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht.

Oasis Acupuncture

http://www.oasisacupuncture.com

8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte

Suite D-35

Scottsdale, AZ 85258

Phone: (480) 991-3650

Fax: (480) 247-4472

 

 

apchat2000 [apchat]

Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:08 PM

acupuncture

acupuncture Re: Dampness -- What is it, how to cure it?

 

 

 

acupuncture , Ms Lori Scott <loriandeli>

wrote:

> Hello Glenn...Dampness is one of the more difficult pathogens to

treat

 

Thanks for writing, Lori.

 

Yes, I've been told that dampness takes a while to cure, and I'd

stick to a diet or eat something revolting 3 times a day for a year

if it would eliminate this brain fog. I've seen several dr's of OM,

and have been disappointed when their treatments didn't pan out, even

after several weeks or months. It's like waiting for Christmas as a

kid, then being told Xmas isn't coming (as in " getting better " ).

Overall, the experience comes across that acupuncturists/Drs of OM

are out to make a buck. It might not be accurate, but that's how it

comes across. And I believe there's something to OM and that it

works, and I'll really believe it when it works for me!!

 

I've had a hard time finding reliable dr's of Oriental medicine. Is

there a database of some kind. Apparently, the " DOOM " degree means

nothing to the American medical community, but it is hard cking as to

who has it. The last woman I saw wasn't listed in any database and

got all her patients from word of mouth. She said the online

databases required a fee. There's no real Yellow Pages for a state

(NJ, for instance), only individual communities, which complicates

the searching.

 

I understand that it's hard translating the Chinese culture into

ours. Something is lost in the translation, and the Chinese see

things differently than we do.

 

I didnt' post this this time, but these symptoms came up 2 yrs ago

when I was taking Prozac/BuSpar. They'd been symptoms all along and

went away when I stopped the meds, but got worse and never went away

when I took and later stopped them this last time. So when Western

dr's hear this, they think it's imagined, letting them off the hook.

I don't think anyone knows what's wrong with me, and Westerners throw

it back on me. Frustrating.

 

 

Glenn

 

>

> I would like to add that translating " Dampness " into Chinese

Medicine is a tricky call.

 

>

> Lori Scott, L.Ac.Tex.

>

>

[Guest guest]

---Many thanks for any suggestions!

well here are a few -you might like to evaluate this carefully

 

---Edema

 

but a brief look at the Edgar cayce readings revealed

improper circulation was a major cause

poor elimination were also mentioned

treatment consisted of a homeopathic remedy known as cimex

lectularius

to aid the body in getting rid of excess fluids and toxins colonics

enemas were suggested.

herbal teas made from mullein senna and watermelon seeds to help

improve circulation and stimulate the liver and kidneys

dietary advice special emphasis on easily assimilated foods vegs

fruit and their juices, beef juice sea food and yoghurt

avoid large amounts of fat and meat and fried foods.

 

to aid elimination of excess fluids and to co-ordinate the

cerebrospinal and autonomic nervous systems spinal manipulations

treating the entire sp9ine , one reading mentions osteopathic

treatment to the upper dorsal sacral and lumber areas.

if you do not kow the importance of spinal manipulation -i suggest

you find out it is vital from the research i have done.

 

also some electrotherapy devices were used if you get serious with

this i can find that out.

 

would also add a few other therapies into the treatment regime

 

 

1. Firstly find someone to massage your back and legs at least 3

times a week

Use peanut oil or a mix of 50-50 olive and peanut oil. Paying

particular attention to the spine and choose someone who is sympathy

with your condition. It is by no mere chance that massage has been

around for thousands of years .It is effective speeds up the toxic

removal process, enables blood to flow to many more capillaries and

can be a major factor in your well being. We advocate massage on a

weekly basis as a normal healthy practice.

 

Here are some reported benefits of massage:

Research in massage therapy has been ongoing for more than 120

years.

Here are some reported benefits of massage:

 

Preliminary results suggested cancer patients had less pain and

anxiety after receiving therapeutic massage at the James Cancer

Hospital and Research Institute in Columbus, Ohio.

 

Women who had experienced the recent death of a child were less

depressed after receiving therapeutic massage, according to

preliminary results of a study at the University of South Carolina

Medical school students at the University of Medicine and Dentistry

of New Jersey-New Jersey Medical School who were massaged before an

exam showed a significant decrease in anxiety and respiratory rates.

as well as a significant increase in white blood cells and natural

killer cell activity, suggesting a benefit to the immune system

 

 

Studies funded by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) have found

massage beneficial in improving weight gain in HIV-exposed infants

and facilitating recovery in patients who underwent abdominal

surgery. At the University of Miami School of Medicine's Touch

Research Institute, researchers have found that massage is helpful

in decreasing blood pressure in people with hypertension,

alleviating pain in migraine sufferers and improving alertness and

performance in office workers.

An increasing number of research studies show massage reduces heart

rate, lowers blood pressure, increases blood circulation and lymph

flow, relaxes muscles, improves range of motion, and increases

endorphins (enhancing medical treatment). Although therapeutic

massage does not increase muscle strength, it can stimulate weak,

inactive muscles and, thus, partially compensate for the lack of

exercise and inactivity resulting from illness or injury. It also

can hasten and lead to a more complete recovery from exercise or

injury.

 

Research has verified that:

 

Office workers massaged regularly were more alert, performed better

and were less stressed than those who weren't massaged.

 

Massage therapy decreased the effects of anxiety, tension,

depression, pain, and itching in burn patients.

 

Abdominal surgery patients recovered more quickly after massage.

Premature infants who were massaged gained more weight and fared

better than those who weren't.

Autistic children showed less erratic behavior after massage therapy.

 

According AMTA, massage helps both physically and mentally.

 

" Often times people are stressed in our culture. Stress-related

disorders make up between 80-and-90 percent of the ailments that

bring people to family practice physicians. What they require is

someone to listen, someone to touch them, someone to care. That does

not exist in modern medicine.

 

One of the complaints heard frequently is that physicians don't

touch their patients any more. Touch just isn't there. Years ago

massage was a big part of nursing. There was so much care, so much

touch, so much goodness conveyed through massage. Now nurses for the

most part are as busy as physicians. They're writing charts, dealing

with insurance notes, they're doing procedures and often there is no

room for massage any more.

 

I believe massage therapy is absolutely key in the healing process

not only in the hospital environment but because it relieves stress,

it is obviously at the foundation in the healing process any time

and anywhere. "

 

Joan Borysenko - Massage Journal Interview, Fall 1999

 

Physical Benefits of Therapeutic Massage

Massage also provides another therapeutic component largely absent

in today's world: tactile stimulation, or, more simply, touch. In

1986, the Touch Research Institute at the University of Miami

published groundbreaking research on the effects of massage on

premature babies.

 

The preterm babies who received massage therapy showed 47% greater

weight gain and six-day shorter hospital stays than the infants who

were not receiving massage. But is this study evidence of what

loving touch can do spiritually, or rather what massage can do on a

physiological level? Regardless, babies are not the only benefactors

 

Helps relieve stress and aids relaxation

 

Helps relieve muscle tension and stiffness. Alleviates discomfort

during pregnancy

 

Fosters faster healing of strained muscles and sprained ligaments;

reduces pain and swelling; reduces formation of excessive scar

tissue.

 

Reduces muscle spasms. Provides greater joint flexibility and range

of motion.

 

Enhances athletic performance; Treats injuries caused during sport

or work.

 

Promotes deeper and easier breathing Improves circulation of blood

and movement of lymph fluids.

 

Reduces blood pressure. Helps relieve tension-related headaches and

effects of eye-strain.

 

Enhances the health and nourishment of skin Improves posture.

 

Strengthens the immune system. Treats musculoskeletal problems.

 

Rehabilitation post operative Rehabilitation after injury.

(Source: AMTA

 

Mental Benefits of Massage Therapy

 

Fosters peace of mind Promotes a relaxed state of mental alertness.

 

Helps relieve mental stress Improves ability to monitor stress

signals and respond appropriately.

 

Enhances capacity for calm thinking and creativity Emotional

Benefits.

 

Satisfies needs for caring nurturing touch Fosters a feeling of well

being.

 

Reduces levels of anxiety Creates body awareness Increases awareness

of mind-body connection.

 

Emotional Level benefits

Feeling of well-being

Reduced levels of anxiety

Increased awareness of mind-body connection

Enhanced self image

A sense of being unified and in harmony

 

4. Ensure your diet is good raw salad once a day ideal or 5 portions

vegetables or fruit daily ensure adequate protein women 60 grams day

men around 70grams. Ensure you get adequate minerals all of them

particularly calcium and magnesium, iron in the right proportions

and combinations. See Adele Davis book lets eat right to keep fit

ISBN 0046410171.

 

Ensure adequate water intake of the order 1-2 litres per day that's

right water. Blood sugar make sure you are not suffering low blood

sugar as this can very quickly affect your mood

 

5.Ensure your thyroid is working well – producing the correct amount

of thyroxin not to much or too little. This can be an important

factor we have seen underactive thyroid almost putting people in a

state of comatose with brain functioning at a minimal level.

 

6.Ensure you do at least I hr per day some kind of voluntary work

when you are able. Now this touches on a concept where by

contributing something to other peoples welfare it is hoped that the

universe will respond by offsetting some of the not so good things

we have done. I have a whole paper devoted to this subject called

karma. I will send a copy of this to you – just e-mail me.

I believe that this could be a real key needing total importance in

treating many ailments, Edgar cayce devoted many hours to this very

topic, and there are many references to it in the bible. The wise

among you will consider this very carefully as this is vital.

 

 

12 Spiritual healing, Reiki, find a good healer - but someone you

feel an attunement with at a soul level otherwise you can have

negative results making your situation worse. We are know witnessing

one of the great turnings in our century where old healing practices

are re-emerging such as Reiki healing, Colour healing, Seichim,

Spiritual healing, Osteopathy, Massage and many others.

 

Some of these are thousands of years old, Spiritual healing is one

of those. It is exactly the same kind of energy used by Jesus in so

many of his healings.

 

Put simply Spiritual Healing, Reiki is the transference of certain

energies through a channel which could be a person or an animal or

even the planet, the wavelengths of this healing energy are well

outside the limits of most scientific equipment but a lot of people

can feel this energy .

 

The energy in my experience has been very uplifting and beautiful

which can touch and vastly influence parts of us such as the spirit

or soul or our mental selves and our physical selves. It can bring a

steadiness and balance and sense of well-being second to none .Its

limits as to its use are in the realms of the infinite.

 

A very simplistic analogy would be to liken it to a massive energy

reservoir which can be tapped into by people and animals which act

as the conduits of this energy and like wires of electricity some of

which are bigger than others and so therefore big wires can transmit

more energy than smaller wires.

 

Bearing this point in mind the reader can soon appreciate that going

to one healer can be vastly different than going to another as it is

with so many things whether it be dentists, doctors, policeman or

what have you.

 

Spiritual Healing is natural healing energy, which is present in

this universe. Spiritual healers work in many different ways to some

it is the laying on of hands onto a person or animal, to others it

can be sent through the power of thought. To be even in the presence

of some healers can have a profound and beneficial effect on people

and one wishes that there were more people giving off just as

beautiful vibrations as these people were this world would truly

transform it.

 

 

 

In Chinese Traditional Medicine , " apchat2000 " <apchat@m...> wrote:

>

>

> I've seen several acupuncturists/herbalists over the last 2 years

> for dampness, and have no answer as to how to cure my problem. I

> spent $2500 from 2004-2005 alone! My symptoms are not imagined.

> Perhaps you can help.

>

> I'm 37 and my entire body is numb, I have a thick white-yellow

> coating on a pale tongue, and am exceptionally lethargic, despite

> how much sleep I get. I have " brain fog " that never goes away,

> making it difficult to think and remember things.

>

> The brain fog used to get much worse after I ate dairy products.

A

> month of probiotics helped, but the brain fog never goes away.

I've

> had these problems for the last 2 years without a break.

>

> Acupuncture and Asian herbs have not helped. I've taken licorice

> and goldenseal, but nothing gets rid of the brain fog. I've been

> tested for the candida antigen in my blood (normal level) and

don't

> have gas, belching or diarrhea. Everything is digested. Avoiding

> dairy doesn't kill the brain fog.

>

> The $2500 has told me that my thyroid is fine, there's no risk of

> seizures (MRI, EEG), and an ear/nose/throat dr. said the thick

> coating isn't abnormal. An internist insists I get an overnight

> test for sleep apnea (for the lethargy), which I KNOW is not the

> answer. The problem is trying to cure my problem w/o a lot of

> worthless Western medical tests.

>

> I'm guessing that " dampness " is candiasis or a version of it? How

> do you treat it? I'd just as soon not go on a candida diet (no

> starches or sugar for several months), but don't know what to do.

> Any suggestions as to herbs to take (with doses), or how long

before

> results are seen? Many thanks for any suggestions!

>

>

> Glenn Allen

[Guest guest]

Glenn,

I have to add to that that maybe you need to be looking for 5

element acupuncturist who specialize on emotional problems. This is

not even a Chineese scholl of acupuncture.

 

Also (based on what I saw so far),patients who are on

antidepressants (at the time of treatment) will not have an

effective energy treatment. Antidepressants just seem to override

needles and Qi emissions.

 

What state are you in ? Try looking for somebody who is NAACOM

licenced in both herbs and acupucture. Try this directory too -

http://www.fivebranches.edu/resources/alumni1.asp - my scholl is on

a top list of schools in USA.

 

And the last advice - go with your feeling. If you feel personal

connection with somebody it means a lot. Personal trust means a lot

for healing. If you are coming in thinking that the person wants

your money - there is no trust and therefore healing is much harder.

Hope that helped.

 

acupuncture , " Christopher Vedeler, L.Ac. "

<ckvedeler@a...> wrote:

> Thanks for sharing your frustration Glenn.

>

> One way to check credentials is to go to www.nccaom.org and check

for

> practitioners in your area. This is not a list members pay to be

on,

> but a list qualified practitioners must be on to practice in most

> states. Chiropractors and MD's who do acupuncture will not be on

the

> NCCAOM list unless they have gone through the same extensive

training as

> L.Ac. or DOM's.

>

> " Brain fog " , lethargy and a pale tongue may not be " dampness "

related,

> but could be " blood deficiency " instead. Traditionally your tongue

> coating indicates dampness, but I find the tongue less reliable

than the

> pulses. Also you mention a history of depression which could

indicate

> Liver or Heart issues in Chinese medicine. A different diagnosis

would

> indicate a different treatment approach (and different herbs) with

> potentially radically different results. Good herbal medicine can

do

> wonders, but you need to find a practitioner who will dispense real

> herbs (either raw or in liquid extract form). The ready made " tea

> pills " are not very effective. Also Chinese trained TCM doctors

are not

> always the best. Their training is quite narrow and mostly

herbal. It

> is only one branch of many in Oriental medicine and in my opinion

the

> one least effective for psychological or emotional issues.

>

> I'm sure there are some practitioners that are just trying to make

a

> buck, but most of us are genuinely trying to help as best we can

given

> our training and experience. If your condition is indeed

dampness, then

> it will likely take months to years to see results. There may be

more

> cost effective options available to you than OM and a good OM

> practitioner would suggest this.

>

> Always look for someone who has your best interest in mind and not

their

> own pocketbook. I need to make a living and I do make a profit on

my

> services and herbs, but I've sold my soul once I trade the best

interest

> of my patients for money. I believe that prosperity will come

when I

> can help people so that they feel they have gotten more value from

my

> services than it cost them.

>

> Best of luck!

>

> Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht.

> Oasis Acupuncture

> http://www.oasisacupuncture.com

> 8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte

> Suite D-35

> Scottsdale, AZ 85258

> Phone: (480) 991-3650

> Fax: (480) 247-4472

>

>

> apchat2000 [apchat@m...]

> Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:08 PM

> acupuncture

> acupuncture Re: Dampness -- What is it, how to cure it?

>

>

>

> acupuncture , Ms Lori Scott

<loriandeli>

> wrote:

> > Hello Glenn...Dampness is one of the more difficult pathogens to

> treat

>

> Thanks for writing, Lori.

>

> Yes, I've been told that dampness takes a while to cure, and I'd

> stick to a diet or eat something revolting 3 times a day for a

year

> if it would eliminate this brain fog. I've seen several dr's of

OM,

> and have been disappointed when their treatments didn't pan out,

even

> after several weeks or months. It's like waiting for Christmas as

a

> kid, then being told Xmas isn't coming (as in " getting better " ).

> Overall, the experience comes across that acupuncturists/Drs of OM

> are out to make a buck. It might not be accurate, but that's how

it

> comes across. And I believe there's something to OM and that it

> works, and I'll really believe it when it works for me!!

>

> I've had a hard time finding reliable dr's of Oriental medicine.

Is

> there a database of some kind. Apparently, the " DOOM " degree

means

> nothing to the American medical community, but it is hard cking as

to

> who has it. The last woman I saw wasn't listed in any database

and

> got all her patients from word of mouth. She said the online

> databases required a fee. There's no real Yellow Pages for a state

> (NJ, for instance), only individual communities, which complicates

> the searching.

>

> I understand that it's hard translating the Chinese culture into

> ours. Something is lost in the translation, and the Chinese see

> things differently than we do.

>

> I didnt' post this this time, but these symptoms came up 2 yrs ago

> when I was taking Prozac/BuSpar. They'd been symptoms all along

and

> went away when I stopped the meds, but got worse and never went

away

> when I took and later stopped them this last time. So when

Western

> dr's hear this, they think it's imagined, letting them off the

hook.

> I don't think anyone knows what's wrong with me, and Westerners

throw

> it back on me. Frustrating.

>

>

> Glenn

>

> >

> > I would like to add that translating " Dampness " into Chinese

> Medicine is a tricky call.

>

> >

> > Lori Scott, L.Ac.Tex.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

About Five Element Acupuncture, I would like to clarify that it does

have it's roots in chinese schools, but that the 20th century

reorganizing of TCM in the People's Republic did not give it extra

emphasis but instead put it side by side with other schools. I am

studying in China now and I was taught Five Elements side by side with

other trains of thought.

 

On 4/13/05, jen_boy <jen_boy wrote:

>

>

> Glenn,

> I have to add to that that maybe you need to be looking for 5

> element acupuncturist who specialize on emotional problems. This is

> not even a Chineese scholl of acupuncture.

>

> Also (based on what I saw so far),patients who are on

> antidepressants (at the time of treatment) will not have an

> effective energy treatment. Antidepressants just seem to override

> needles and Qi emissions.

>

> What state are you in ? Try looking for somebody who is NAACOM

> licenced in both herbs and acupucture. Try this directory too -

> http://www.fivebranches.edu/resources/alumni1.asp - my scholl is on

> a top list of schools in USA.

>

> And the last advice - go with your feeling. If you feel personal

> connection with somebody it means a lot. Personal trust means a lot

> for healing. If you are coming in thinking that the person wants

> your money - there is no trust and therefore healing is much harder.

> Hope that helped.

>

> acupuncture , " Christopher Vedeler, L.Ac. "

> <ckvedeler@a...> wrote:

> > Thanks for sharing your frustration Glenn.

> >

> > One way to check credentials is to go to www.nccaom.org and check

> for

> > practitioners in your area. This is not a list members pay to be

> on,

> > but a list qualified practitioners must be on to practice in most

> > states. Chiropractors and MD's who do acupuncture will not be on

> the

> > NCCAOM list unless they have gone through the same extensive

> training as

> > L.Ac. or DOM's.

> >

> > " Brain fog " , lethargy and a pale tongue may not be " dampness "

> related,

> > but could be " blood deficiency " instead. Traditionally your tongue

> > coating indicates dampness, but I find the tongue less reliable

> than the

> > pulses. Also you mention a history of depression which could

> indicate

> > Liver or Heart issues in Chinese medicine. A different diagnosis

> would

> > indicate a different treatment approach (and different herbs) with

> > potentially radically different results. Good herbal medicine can

> do

> > wonders, but you need to find a practitioner who will dispense real

> > herbs (either raw or in liquid extract form). The ready made " tea

> > pills " are not very effective. Also Chinese trained TCM doctors

> are not

> > always the best. Their training is quite narrow and mostly

> herbal. It

> > is only one branch of many in Oriental medicine and in my opinion

> the

> > one least effective for psychological or emotional issues.

> >

> > I'm sure there are some practitioners that are just trying to make

> a

> > buck, but most of us are genuinely trying to help as best we can

> given

> > our training and experience. If your condition is indeed

> dampness, then

> > it will likely take months to years to see results. There may be

> more

> > cost effective options available to you than OM and a good OM

> > practitioner would suggest this.

> >

> > Always look for someone who has your best interest in mind and not

> their

> > own pocketbook. I need to make a living and I do make a profit on

> my

> > services and herbs, but I've sold my soul once I trade the best

> interest

> > of my patients for money. I believe that prosperity will come

> when I

> > can help people so that they feel they have gotten more value from

> my

> > services than it cost them.

> >

> > Best of luck!

> >

> > Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht.

> > Oasis Acupuncture

> > http://www.oasisacupuncture.com

> > 8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte

> > Suite D-35

> > Scottsdale, AZ 85258

> > Phone: (480) 991-3650

> > Fax: (480) 247-4472

> >

> >

> > apchat2000 [apchat@m...]

> > Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:08 PM

> > acupuncture

> > acupuncture Re: Dampness -- What is it, how to cure it?

> >

> >

> >

> > acupuncture , Ms Lori Scott

> <loriandeli>

> > wrote:

> > > Hello Glenn...Dampness is one of the more difficult pathogens to

> > treat

> >

> > Thanks for writing, Lori.

> >

> > Yes, I've been told that dampness takes a while to cure, and I'd

> > stick to a diet or eat something revolting 3 times a day for a

> year

> > if it would eliminate this brain fog. I've seen several dr's of

> OM,

> > and have been disappointed when their treatments didn't pan out,

> even

> > after several weeks or months. It's like waiting for Christmas as

> a

> > kid, then being told Xmas isn't coming (as in " getting better " ).

> > Overall, the experience comes across that acupuncturists/Drs of OM

> > are out to make a buck. It might not be accurate, but that's how

> it

> > comes across. And I believe there's something to OM and that it

> > works, and I'll really believe it when it works for me!!

> >

> > I've had a hard time finding reliable dr's of Oriental medicine.

> Is

> > there a database of some kind. Apparently, the " DOOM " degree

> means

> > nothing to the American medical community, but it is hard cking as

> to

> > who has it. The last woman I saw wasn't listed in any database

> and

> > got all her patients from word of mouth. She said the online

> > databases required a fee. There's no real Yellow Pages for a state

> > (NJ, for instance), only individual communities, which complicates

> > the searching.

> >

> > I understand that it's hard translating the Chinese culture into

> > ours. Something is lost in the translation, and the Chinese see

> > things differently than we do.

> >

> > I didnt' post this this time, but these symptoms came up 2 yrs ago

> > when I was taking Prozac/BuSpar. They'd been symptoms all along

> and

> > went away when I stopped the meds, but got worse and never went

> away

> > when I took and later stopped them this last time. So when

> Western

> > dr's hear this, they think it's imagined, letting them off the

> hook.

> > I don't think anyone knows what's wrong with me, and Westerners

> throw

> > it back on me. Frustrating.

> >

> >

> > Glenn

> >

> > >

> > > I would like to add that translating " Dampness " into Chinese

> > Medicine is a tricky call.

> >

> > >

> > > Lori Scott, L.Ac.Tex.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Phillip,

 

Where are you in school in China and what kind of program is it??

 

 

Thanks,

 

Bobbi

 

Philip Tan-Gatue <philiptangatue

acupuncture

Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:32:23 +0800

Re: acupuncture Re: Dampness -- What is it, how to cure it?

 

 

About Five Element Acupuncture, I would like to clarify that it does

have it's roots in chinese schools, but that the 20th century

reorganizing of TCM in the People's Republic did not give it extra

emphasis but instead put it side by side with other schools. I am

studying in China now and I was taught Five Elements side by side with

other trains of thought.

 

On 4/13/05, jen_boy <jen_boy wrote:

>

>

> Glenn,

> I have to add to that that maybe you need to be looking for 5

> element acupuncturist who specialize on emotional problems. This is

> not even a Chineese scholl of acupuncture.

>

> Also (based on what I saw so far),patients who are on

> antidepressants (at the time of treatment) will not have an

> effective energy treatment. Antidepressants just seem to override

> needles and Qi emissions.

>

> What state are you in ? Try looking for somebody who is NAACOM

> licenced in both herbs and acupucture. Try this directory too -

> http://www.fivebranches.edu/resources/alumni1.asp - my scholl is on

> a top list of schools in USA.

>

> And the last advice - go with your feeling. If you feel personal

> connection with somebody it means a lot. Personal trust means a lot

> for healing. If you are coming in thinking that the person wants

> your money - there is no trust and therefore healing is much harder.

> Hope that helped.

>

> acupuncture , " Christopher Vedeler, L.Ac. "

> <ckvedeler@a...> wrote:

> > Thanks for sharing your frustration Glenn.

> >

> > One way to check credentials is to go to www.nccaom.org and check

> for

> > practitioners in your area. This is not a list members pay to be

> on,

> > but a list qualified practitioners must be on to practice in most

> > states. Chiropractors and MD's who do acupuncture will not be on

> the

> > NCCAOM list unless they have gone through the same extensive

> training as

> > L.Ac. or DOM's.

> >

> > " Brain fog " , lethargy and a pale tongue may not be " dampness "

> related,

> > but could be " blood deficiency " instead. Traditionally your tongue

> > coating indicates dampness, but I find the tongue less reliable

> than the

> > pulses. Also you mention a history of depression which could

> indicate

> > Liver or Heart issues in Chinese medicine. A different diagnosis

> would

> > indicate a different treatment approach (and different herbs) with

> > potentially radically different results. Good herbal medicine can

> do

> > wonders, but you need to find a practitioner who will dispense real

> > herbs (either raw or in liquid extract form). The ready made " tea

> > pills " are not very effective. Also Chinese trained TCM doctors

> are not

> > always the best. Their training is quite narrow and mostly

> herbal. It

> > is only one branch of many in Oriental medicine and in my opinion

> the

> > one least effective for psychological or emotional issues.

> >

> > I'm sure there are some practitioners that are just trying to make

> a

> > buck, but most of us are genuinely trying to help as best we can

> given

> > our training and experience. If your condition is indeed

> dampness, then

> > it will likely take months to years to see results. There may be

> more

> > cost effective options available to you than OM and a good OM

> > practitioner would suggest this.

> >

> > Always look for someone who has your best interest in mind and not

> their

> > own pocketbook. I need to make a living and I do make a profit on

> my

> > services and herbs, but I've sold my soul once I trade the best

> interest

> > of my patients for money. I believe that prosperity will come

> when I

> > can help people so that they feel they have gotten more value from

> my

> > services than it cost them.

> >

> > Best of luck!

> >

> > Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht.

> > Oasis Acupuncture

> > http://www.oasisacupuncture.com

> > 8233 N. Via Paseo del Norte

> > Suite D-35

> > Scottsdale, AZ 85258

> > Phone: (480) 991-3650

> > Fax: (480) 247-4472

> >

> >

> > apchat2000 [apchat@m...]

> > Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:08 PM

> > acupuncture

> > acupuncture Re: Dampness -- What is it, how to cure it?

> >

> >

> >

> > acupuncture , Ms Lori Scott

> <loriandeli>

> > wrote:

> > > Hello Glenn...Dampness is one of the more difficult pathogens to

> > treat

> >

> > Thanks for writing, Lori.

> >

> > Yes, I've been told that dampness takes a while to cure, and I'd

> > stick to a diet or eat something revolting 3 times a day for a

> year

> > if it would eliminate this brain fog. I've seen several dr's of

> OM,

> > and have been disappointed when their treatments didn't pan out,

> even

> > after several weeks or months. It's like waiting for Christmas as

> a

> > kid, then being told Xmas isn't coming (as in " getting better " ).

> > Overall, the experience comes across that acupuncturists/Drs of OM

> > are out to make a buck. It might not be accurate, but that's how

> it

> > comes across. And I believe there's something to OM and that it

> > works, and I'll really believe it when it works for me!!

> >

> > I've had a hard time finding reliable dr's of Oriental medicine.

> Is

> > there a database of some kind. Apparently, the " DOOM " degree

> means

> > nothing to the American medical community, but it is hard cking as

> to

> > who has it. The last woman I saw wasn't listed in any database

> and

> > got all her patients from word of mouth. She said the online

> > databases required a fee. There's no real Yellow Pages for a state

> > (NJ, for instance), only individual communities, which complicates

> > the searching.

> >

> > I understand that it's hard translating the Chinese culture into

> > ours. Something is lost in the translation, and the Chinese see

> > things differently than we do.

> >

> > I didnt' post this this time, but these symptoms came up 2 yrs ago

> > when I was taking Prozac/BuSpar. They'd been symptoms all along

> and

> > went away when I stopped the meds, but got worse and never went

> away

> > when I took and later stopped them this last time. So when

> Western

> > dr's hear this, they think it's imagined, letting them off the

> hook.

> > I don't think anyone knows what's wrong with me, and Westerners

> throw

> > it back on me. Frustrating.

> >

> >

> > Glenn

> >

> > >

> > > I would like to add that translating " Dampness " into Chinese

> > Medicine is a tricky call.

> >

> > >

> > > Lori Scott, L.Ac.Tex.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I'm currently enrolled in a full time three month course for medical

professionals in the Nanjing University of TCM's International

Acupuncture Training Center. They also have an advance course that I

am planning to attend.

 

Giovanni Maciocia, author of several TCM books, graduated from this

institution a while back. I recommend it only if one is already a

health professional. Otherwise going through a full TCM course in a

college is preferable.

 

 

On 4/27/05, bobbiaqua <bobbiaqua wrote:

>

>

> Phillip,

>

> Where are you in school in China and what kind of program is it??

>

> Thanks,

>

> Bobbi

--

Philip Niño Tan-Gatue, M.D.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Dr Philip,

 

 

 

Where are you affiliated in the Philippines

 

 

 

len

 

 

 

_____

 

acupuncture [acupuncture ] On

Behalf Of Philip Tan-Gatue

Thursday, April 28, 2005 1:25 AM

acupuncture

Re: acupuncture Re: Dampness -- What is it, how to cure it?

 

 

 

I'm currently enrolled in a full time three month course for medical

professionals in the Nanjing University of TCM's International

Acupuncture Training Center. They also have an advance course that I

am planning to attend.

 

Giovanni Maciocia, author of several TCM books, graduated from this

institution a while back. I recommend it only if one is already a

health professional. Otherwise going through a full TCM course in a

college is preferable.

 

 

On 4/27/05, bobbiaqua <bobbiaqua wrote:

>

>

> Phillip,

>

> Where are you in school in China and what kind of program is it??

>

> Thanks,

>

> Bobbi

--

Philip Niño Tan-Gatue, M.D.

 

 

 

_____

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oh I'm just a private general practitioner. I graduated from the

University of the Philippines and had my internship in the Philippine

General Hospital.

 

On 4/28/05, Len S Ontog <mesopath wrote:

>

> Hi, Dr Philip,

>

> Where are you affiliated in the Philippines

>

> len

>

> _____

>

> acupuncture [acupuncture ] On

> Behalf Of Philip Tan-Gatue

> Thursday, April 28, 2005 1:25 AM

> acupuncture

> Re: acupuncture Re: Dampness -- What is it, how to cure it?

>

> I'm currently enrolled in a full time three month course for medical

> professionals in the Nanjing University of TCM's International

> Acupuncture Training Center. They also have an advance course that I

> am planning to attend.

>

> Giovanni Maciocia, author of several TCM books, graduated from this

> institution a while back. I recommend it only if one is already a

> health professional. Otherwise going through a full TCM course in a

> college is preferable.

>

> On 4/27/05, bobbiaqua <bobbiaqua wrote:

> >

> >

> > Phillip,

> >

> > Where are you in school in China and what kind of program is it??

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Bobbi

> --

> Philip Niño Tan-Gatue, M.D.

>

> _____

>

>