Them crying when doing the IDD on them is just fine!

[Guest guest]

Hi Doc and all,

This is great feedback you gave him! Thanks Doc.

 

What you do specifically to get the right anchor? I am sure there is a

specific syntax to the steps of elicitation. Some of us might be missing a step

or two. How you get to that core issue so accurately over the last two years is

extremely important and of great interest.

 

Thanks,

 

Walter

 

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Tuesday, September 05, 2006

2:52 AM

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Them crying when doing the IDD on them is just fine!

 

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mysterxe

<mysterxe wrote:

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> Doc and Group,

> I did the Inner Demon Destroyer on a friend today when something

>interesting happened.

 

Glad it was interesting.

 

> As my friend was doing the psychological reversal part ( " Even

>though X I deeply appreciate and accept myself " ), her fear started

>getting worse and worse.

 

Bet that was fun;-)

 

> Her face scrunched up in pain. She turned all red. And she ended

>up breaking down and crying.

 

Yep.

 

Something deeper and totally repressed poped to the surface. It

happens. Be glad it did.

 

> Now the thing is, I was holding her neurovasculars this whole time!

>

> I was thinking, " Whoa, what the hell? This has never happened to

>me before, what do I do? " So I go into hakalau, ask the magic

>question, and the thing that came back was " Stop the PR and keep

>going with the IDD. " So I did.

 

Hummm?

 

I'd need to see you doing it before I can really show you how it

would work better with her. I will give suggestions down the page.

 

The PR is the chest lymphatic rub as you do the positive affirmation

about the aspect. You might be confusing terms?

 

> I stop her and hold her while she cries and calms down for a bit.

>She asks me if she was supposed to feel worse and I just reframed

>it as " Yeah, it's getting all the emotional toxins out of your

>body. "

 

Yep.

 

Happens once in awhile, though it's NOT happened to me for a couple

of years.

 

Why not?

 

Because I make sure that the issue we are working on is the core

issure first.

 

What has happened in the past is we'd be working on issue XXX, which

is a 6...

 

....while working on it, another STRONGER aspect comes to the surface

which is DIFFERENT than the first one.

 

Simple solution.

 

Start over again with the new issue, the new " anchor " , and a new

Psychological Reversal DONE WITH MASSIVE INTENSITY.

 

Why?

 

Because the original PR done for XXX will not work for X'X'X'.

 

So you need to go to that chest lymphatic and redo that part.

 

Rename the event.

 

Recalibrate the SUDS, and ENERGY TEST that their guess is accurate.

 

Now, on the holding of the neurovasculars...

 

I do what is called the " Vulcan Hold " . This is by holding all the

head's neurovasculars, not just the general forehead neurovasculars,

while doing the tapping sequences. So you are holding the

neurovasculars on the front, back, sides and top of the head all at

the same time, GETTING ALL THE EMOTIONS for all the elements all at

once!

 

I also have someone else hold their neurovasculars so I can focus

totally on them with my intention and my calibration...

 

....so the client can focus totally on the anchor for the

intervention.

 

Keeps us all clear and clean on what we do with our very specific

behaviour.

 

If I don't have a 3 person to help, which is almost never, I first

teach them the tapping sequences with some rather trivial.

 

That way other emotions like " I'm a bad learner. I'm fucking this

drill up. This won't work for me...blab, blab, blab...won't crop up

and distract them " .

 

Now you mentioned crying.

 

Crying is GREAT, and is NOT a problem, nor is it something to be

avoided. I always tend to have tissues there so they can use them if

they need them. Crying is a release that for some, is NECESSARY!

 

Go through it.

 

At my last intensive I caught one of my assistances taking his group

though the drill as he accidentally left off a major component of

the drill.

 

So no one got their SUDS down to a zero. They ended up between 3-6,

which in my opinion is shit. So I had him take them through again

being sure to add in the one component he forgot to have them do.

 

They all were at zero.

 

It happens.

 

We all fuck up. That's how we learn.

 

Sometimes someone real weird comes along and the normal procedures

don't work on her. That's how we learn. Most people, 99% of them are

normal, and the IDD will work just fine.

 

Now, on getting final SUDS, it's important to energy test their

answer, and NOT take their word for it. Everyone will have a memory

of " it " . The memory is NOT a SUDS.

 

Now at my last 3 intensives I've actually erased the memory of the

event also is a few of the cases, just because I know how, and it

helped them tremendously. But normally a memory erasure is NOT part

of the Inner Demon Destroyer.

 

Have fun Mike.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Doc,

 

Thanks for the awesome reply! My comments below.

 

 

>Happens once in awhile, though it's NOT happened to me for a couple

>of years.

>Why not?

>Because I make sure that the issue we are working on is the core

>issure first.

>What has happened in the past is we'd be working on issue XXX, which

>is a 6...

>...while working on it, another STRONGER aspect comes to the surface

>which is DIFFERENT than the first one.

 

 

I think you’re 100% right on this one. I didn’t think of it before but now that you mention it it makes perfect sense.

 

The original issue was ‘simple’ nervousness about a test. I just assumed it was no biggie because for me, a test is no biggie.

 

But my friend takes school MUCH more seriously than I do. I go to classes to learn interesting stuff, she’s going for her PhD.

 

I think school for her has a lot of other issues of self-worth/self-image tied to it. So it wasn’t nervousness about passing or failing a test, it was actually fear of her being “not good enough.”

 

I have to pay closer attention, calibrate better, and not assume other people’s values are like mine.

 

 

>Now, on the holding of the neurovasculars...

>I do what is called the " Vulcan Hold " . This is by holding all the

>head's neurovasculars, not just the general forehead neurovasculars,

>while doing the tapping sequences. So you are holding the

>neurovasculars on the front, back, sides and top of the head all at

>the same time, GETTING ALL THE EMOTIONS for all the elements all at

>once!

 

 

This sounds really cool. Is the Vulcan Hold where you cup your entire hand over their forehead with one hand and cup the back of their head with the other?

 

Or is it the hold where you place three fingers on the forehead neurovasculars with the thumbs resting on the temples? (I’ve seen you do both in a number of different videos...)

 

Or is it something completely different?

 

 

>Crying is GREAT, and is NOT a problem, nor is it something to be

>avoided. I always tend to have tissues there so they can use them if

>they need them. Crying is a release that for some, is NECESSARY!

 

 

This is good to know. I was afraid I was making things worse for her. I don’t mind fucking up while I learn, I just don’t want to do it at other people’s expense...well the people I like anyway.

 

 

>Now, on getting final SUDS, it's important to energy test their

>answer, and NOT take their word for it. Everyone will have a memory

>of " it " . The memory is NOT a SUDS.

 

 

Yeah I really should have energy tested her final SUDS but I was just so damn relieved she didn’t freak out that I forgot. I noticed that as we went through the tapping sequence she seemed MUCH better than just a 4 or a 5 and I was kind of surprised she said her final SUDS was that high.

 

She also called me today and said she feels really weird...really light and free, like she just purged something out of her system last night.

 

So I think maybe the IDD really worked better than she thinks. But next time I will definitely energy test to be sure.

 

 

>Now at my last 3 intensives I've actually erased the memory of the

>event also in a few of the cases, just because I know how, and it

>helped them tremendously. But normally a memory erasure is NOT part

>of the Inner Demon Destroyer.

 

 

This is funny because something similar happened to me.

 

After we finished with the IDD, my friend asked me if I used it on myself and I told her I did all the time. Then she asked for some specific issues I worked with.

 

And for the longest time I COULDN’T THINK OF ANY.

 

It was like I’d forgotten my old problems. Finally I did remember what I worked on but, of course, the emotions were not there.

 

Thanks a lot Doc. Both for teaching the IDD and for helping me (with your post) get better at it.

 

Sincerely,

 

Mike

[Guest guest]

I was one of those fortunate people where Doc erased the memory we had

previously been working on with each other with IDD. It originally

felt like the emotional charge was still pretty strong. Energy testing

said it was gone. It did not feel that way to me, yet.

 

Doc did a Visual Swish and the emotional charge was GONE. He did

restore the actual memory in order for me to retain the learnings.

That whole process cleaned up the emotional charge and the feelings in

my body for that old stuff completely. I still have the memory AND it

just is, in the background now.

 

Thanks, Doc.

 

Mary Nelson

http://www.eft4everyone.com

 

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" kahunamaker " <kahunamaker

 

Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:51 AM

Them crying when doing the

IDD on them is just fine!

 

 

: Now at my last 3 intensives I've actually erased the memory of the

: event also is a few of the cases, just because I know how, and it

: helped them tremendously. But normally a memory erasure is NOT part

: of the Inner Demon Destroyer.

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: Have fun Mike.

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[Guest guest]

, " M J Nelson "

<zpp4everyone wrote:

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> I was one of those fortunate people where Doc erased the memory we

had

> previously been working on with each other with IDD. It originally

> felt like the emotional charge was still pretty strong. Energy

testing

> said it was gone. It did not feel that way to me, yet.

>

> Doc did a Visual Swish and the emotional charge was GONE. He did

> restore the actual memory in order for me to retain the learnings.

> That whole process cleaned up the emotional charge and the

feelings in

> my body for that old stuff completely. I still have the memory AND

it just is, in the background now.

>

> Thanks, Doc.

 

You are welcome Mary.

 

It was neat to see the " difference " in you and have you notice it

also.

 

Have you yet noticed how much more you are getting done?

 

 

 

> Mary Nelson

> http://www.eft4everyone.com

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> " kahunamaker " <kahunamaker

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> Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:51 AM

> Them crying when doing

the

> IDD on them is just fine!

>

>

> : Now at my last 3 intensives I've actually erased the memory of

the

> : event also is a few of the cases, just because I know how, and it

> : helped them tremendously. But normally a memory erasure is NOT

part

> : of the Inner Demon Destroyer.

> :

> : Have fun Mike.

> :

> :

[Guest guest]

Hi Doc,

 

I was going to ask what component was left out of the drill but

instead I'm going to rewatch the June videos myself to see if I can

figure out what it was. I just realized I'm always telling everyone

to check the videos and archives before asking. I'm not exempt from

that.

 

In the meantime I'll say that at first I thought it was the forehead

neurovascular and fear points that were left off, but even when I

don't hold the points it can still work, though not necessarily 100%

of the time. So something's not quite right. Then I have to go back

and do another round, a lot of times less than a second round though,

then I can get it down to zero SUDS. That's because the IDD tapping

routine is powerful just by itself.

 

So I think the component you are talking about is energy testing

since you need to be able to find the Core aspect at the beginning

and acurately assess with the test. Knowing what the core is should

allow you to wipe out everything in the first round every time. You

also need to energy test after each round to make sure it's at SUDS

zero.

 

I also remember you asking an attendee what his SUDS was. He said it

was really low, 0 or 1 I think was his reply. Then you tested him

and found out it was really high, 8 or 9. When you tested him you

found the core aspect and then you were able to terminate it all with

one round of the IDD.

 

Thanks for getting me to think about, I'll have to go back and look

at those videos some more.

 

Lori

 

 

 

 

 

, " kahunamaker "

<kahunamaker wrote:

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(snip)

 

> At my last intensive I caught one of my assistances taking his

group

> though the drill as he accidentally left off a major component of

> the drill.

>

> So no one got their SUDS down to a zero. They ended up between 3-6,

> which in my opinion is shit. So I had him take them through again

> being sure to add in the one component he forgot to have them do.

>

> They all were at zero.

>

> It happens.

>

> We all fuck up. That's how we learn.

 

(snip)

>

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