Secrets of making meditation effective

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, " peter_jenn "

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> , " docspeed2001 "

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> > I knew Ken for a year before he took TM.

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> (snip)

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> > Ken CHANGED from being a valuable person and a go-getter to being a couch

potatoe.

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> (snip)

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> > I do now that Ken TOTALLY CHANGED HIS 'ATTENTION', his focus on what was

important to him.

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> > Pretty soon NOT A THING that used to be important to him had any value. It

was all of no importance.

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> (snip)

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> > I chose to go a different way with my mind training after seeing what

happened to Ken.

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> > I chose to learn hypnosis and self-hypnosis.

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> > When NLP came out I chose to learn it.

> >

> > When Silva Mind Control came out I chose to learn it.

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> > John La Tourrette, PhD

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> Hi Doc,

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> What you've written about TM recently (and in the past) makes a lot >of sense

to me. I know someone who has gone on countless meditation >retreats in the US,

Australia and India, and she's still 'screwed >up'. Having said that though, 3

years ago she was flat broke, but >met a billionaire (younger than herself), who

left her with over >$1,000,000 when he got tired of her behaviour. Not sure how

that one >worked, but now she at least has enough money to keep going to

>retreats for the rest of her life, even though they don't seem to >make her any

happier.

 

She 'screwed' her way to success?

 

To me that is more ugly than actually working and doing to arrive at success.

 

> I can't say that I've practised meditation consistently enough to >notice

anything more than a 'quietening of the mind' effect -

 

Many definitions for meditation.

 

Most people want objective 'things' from the results of their meditation.

 

So many forms of that style of meditation abound.

 

Some meditations are spiritually centered, and are supposed to interact with

'the all that is'.

 

Difficult to get feedback with that type of meditation.

 

>I've certainly felt much more benefit from doing the Silva Centering Drill

(heightened perception, intuition and centeredness).

 

Everyone benefits from that, especially if they do the drill right, ie, sit up

in a chair, hands on thighs, breath through nose, eyes up at a 20 degree angle,

blab, blab, blab.

 

>But one benefit of regular meditation that I keep reading about is >the

quietening of the mind that I just mentioned - supposedly >meditation reduces

the mind chatter that gets in the way of 'clear >thinking'.

 

You gotta define 'clear thinking'.

 

> To be more specific, if I have worries and doubts about a situation, regular

meditation is supposed to reduce the frequency and >strength of those thoughts,

thus leading to clearer thinking.

 

Not enough.

 

For that situation it is to work on solutions, and PROCESSES to the solutions

that you come up with while in a theta state.

 

Which is why a tape recorder is so important. It keeps the memory intact as long

as you speak while at level the things that you notice.

 

Lovely.

 

>I guess the flip side that you warn against is that is may also reduce the

strength of the positive energies as well. If that's the case, what is a good

method for obtaining a 'clearer' mind? Would it be as simple as going to level

and instructing the mind to 'let go of all worry about X'?

 

If you are worrying about X, you CANNOT go to level.

 

There are steps to take before going to level if you have strong negative

emotions.

 

 

> I often read about meditation being highly beneficial, so do you have a

preferred way of doing this without the negative side effects you wrote about

above?

 

Yep.

 

Don't do TM. So something else, and do it on a regular basis.

 

The 'what else' I'll go over later.

 

I got to go beat the crap out of a black belt.

 

It's amazing what I get paid huge bucks for;-)

 

John La Tourrette, PhD

 

> I'll very interested in your input. Thanks!

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> Peter

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, " docspeed2001 "

<docspeed2001 wrote:

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> > What you've written about TM recently (and in the past) makes a lot >of

sense to me. I know someone who has gone on countless meditation >retreats in

the US, Australia and India, and she's still 'screwed >up'. Having said that

though, 3 years ago she was flat broke, but >met a billionaire (younger than

herself), who left her with over >$1,000,000 when he got tired of her behaviour.

Not sure how that one >worked, but now she at least has enough money to keep

going to >retreats for the rest of her life, even though they don't seem to

>make her any happier.

>

> She 'screwed' her way to success?

 

Not in the way you might think - they are both in their 60s.

 

> >But one benefit of regular meditation that I keep reading about is >the

quietening of the mind that I just mentioned - supposedly >meditation reduces

the mind chatter that gets in the way of 'clear >thinking'.

>

> You gotta define 'clear thinking'.

>

> > To be more specific, if I have worries and doubts about a situation, regular

meditation is supposed to reduce the frequency and >strength of those thoughts,

thus leading to clearer thinking.

>

> Not enough.

 

To me 'clear thinking' is being able to think about something without your mind

being consumed by a barrage of voices in your head casting doubt what it is

you're aiming for - ie. a lack of judgements. I guess that the IDD would be a

very good tool for this, and perhaps a lot quicker.

 

> > I often read about meditation being highly beneficial, so do you have a

preferred way of doing this without the negative side effects you wrote about

above?

>

> Yep.

>

> Don't do TM. So something else, and do it on a regular basis.

>

> The 'what else' I'll go over later.

 

I did practise TM for a time some years ago, but when I meditate now its

generally without a mantra - I just keep my mind focussed on my navel chakra.

 

I'd definitely be interested in hearing more about how you 'meditate'.

 

Thanks, Peter.

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, " peter_jenn "

<pjennings72 wrote:

 

 

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> > > To be more specific, if I have worries and doubts about a situation,

regular meditation is supposed to reduce the frequency and >strength of those

thoughts, thus leading to clearer thinking.

> >

> > Not enough.

> > You gotta define 'clear thinking'.

 

> To me 'clear thinking' is being able to think about something without your

mind being consumed by a barrage of voices in your head casting doubt what it is

you're aiming for - ie. a lack of >judgements. I guess that the IDD would be a

very good tool for this, >and perhaps a lot quicker.

 

Hi Peter,

 

Yes the Inner Demon Destroyer would work there...

 

....AND the 2 - 10 Blowout would also work there unless the trauma is very deep

(subconcious).

 

I would probably do the 2 - 10 second Blowout, then the following breath-mind

cleansing drill.

 

Then I'd do the rest of the meditation with proper attention, intention, and

tactics of going deeper to the proper level for what the intention is.

 

NOTICE THIS. Many people confuse a cleansing meditation with meditation. It is

NOT a deep meditation, but a PRECURSOR to meditation.

 

> I often read about meditation being highly beneficial, so do you have a

preferred way of doing this without the negative side effects you wrote about

above?

 

> I did practise TM for a time some years ago, but when I meditate now its

generally without a mantra - I just keep my mind focussed on my navel chakra.

>

> I'd definitely be interested in hearing more about how you 'meditate'.

 

Do your focus on the breath instead.

 

Here's a simple method that many have used successfully.

 

NOTE!

 

This is just for getting rid of the negative emotional energy, and NOT for deep

meditation.

 

So it is a 'first step'.

 

Sit up in a chair. Hands on thighs. Head erect. Eyes closed.

 

Breath in through the nose for a count of 4. Breath out through the nose for a

count of 4.

 

Use a word for the in breath. Use a word for the out breath. Deepak uses " so "

for the inbreath and " hum " for the outbreath.

 

This is a form of rhymatic breathing that relaxes the triple warmer (fear,

flight or fight mechanism) by activation and relaxation of the hypothalamus

(breathing through the nose).

 

Using a different word for the in breath and for the outbreath, you now have

filled up the conscious mind with something BESIDES the negative emotions that

this thread started out with.

 

After a minute or two of this type breathing, you have finally cleared your mind

enough (with a different focus of EXPERIENCE) that you can now do the rest of

the drill.

 

Using the inner mind for any purpose you desire.

 

John La Tourrette, PhD